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On September 19 2010 12:54 Crt wrote:
1. They need to stop looking at each other too much
Why? it adds personality to the cast.
On September 19 2010 12:54 Crt wrote:
2. Learn more about what the korean casters are saying, and try to incorporate these in their casting.
Who cares what they are saying? this is just going to be a distraction, they need to follow the battle their own way, they may have better or worse insight, depending on the moment.
On September 19 2010 12:54 Crt wrote:
3. Be more objective, less bias.
It's not that bad now - but that's an ok request I spose.
On September 19 2010 12:54 Crt wrote:
4. Be more dramatic like the korean casters or husky and HD
Are we watching the same streams here? Huskys jokes utterly destroy my soul, I'm sure he's a nice guy and he knows Starcraft but please, these 2 are doing a great job with the drama.
On September 19 2010 12:54 Crt wrote:
5. Continue to talk about players' history
Agreed
On September 19 2010 12:54 Crt wrote:
6. Less silly/personal jokes.
Totally disagreed, they are fine.
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On September 19 2010 12:59 IAttackYou wrote:
Major lol@ all the people coming here from youtube. Do they even know that Artosis and Tasteless have been doing this as a job since 2005 O_O
I'm 'from youtube' and I think they are doing a great job.
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I just don't like the forum lingo used in the cast. "SUP." "WOWOWOWOWOWOWW" "L-O-L" I think Artosis said "SUP" more than 10 times in one day of casting.
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Australia4514 Posts
Just a general overview.
Its a bit hard for them to talk about strategies of players and such because so many of them are unknown, in the 2nd GSL i'm sure the info on players will have improved.
One thing i always liked about korean commentary, is they rotate between speakers (their speakers have different roles, ie one is trategy, one is background/history, one is to fill in the gaps.)
They also use times where nothing is happening to review all of the bases to see whats going on.
The one criticism i'd have is:
Should be rotating through the different tabs every 30 seconds, and going back to the production one every 2nd time. That way it gives a nice format for talking about certain things. And you won't miss an upgrade as you'll see it pop up, hence a prompt to go and look at it.
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6. Less silly/personal jokes.
Omg What would be my day without Tartosis jokes. Those 2 are perfect as they know how to entertain and make you laugh and smile while watching sc2. When they cast 4 sets of bo3 a day, and when people watch them, they can't be 100% seriouse, analysing stuff, explaing complicated stuff, it needs to be fun to watch and entertaining so the public can sit relax and enjoy watching 3 hours of sc2.
And really, their jokes are epic to a point i really can't describe. Tasteless and Artosis are the funniest casters i'v ever heard.
Hope they don't start getting all seriouse and stuff.
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If they would just stop zooming in and out I'd be much happier with their commentating. Zooming in/out is always, always, always bad.
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On September 19 2010 14:40 Anfere wrote:Omg What would be my day without Tartosis jokes. Those 2 are perfect as they know how to entertain and make you laugh and smile while watching sc2. When they cast 4 sets of bo3 a day, and when people watch them, they can't be 100% seriouse, analysing stuff, explaing complicated stuff, it needs to be fun to watch and entertaining so the public can sit relax and enjoy watching 3 hours of sc2. And really, their jokes are epic to a point i really can't describe. Tasteless and Artosis are the funniest casters i'v ever heard. Hope they don't start getting all seriouse and stuff.
The usual not-so-smart response. You need to pay attention to detail, because he reqested LESS JOKES and not NO JOKES like you are talking about. The casting duo is - sometimes - extremely silly and they are trying to complete each others jokes.
I have a comparison from watching my two nieces and some of their friends. Whenever there is a group of them playing together they often become extremely silly and that reminds me of a group of sharks in their feeding frenzy when there is an injured fish in the water. My nieces / The sharks totally forget about everything around them and for Tasteless and Artosis it is sometimes the same when they are in their "joking frenzy". That needs to stop ... which does NOT mean they have to stop telling jokes at all, just the excessive joking has to stop.
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On September 10 2010 06:56 Nihilnovi wrote:
I actually turn the sound off because the quality of information and the manner in which it is relayed from both artosis and tasteless is extremely lackluster and just annoyed me. I can't see either having any future in casting.
The comments are usually really bad, they both talk at the same time constantly, too much of what they say is not related to the game itself but rather bad insider jokes between them which just made me go "wtf?"
The camera is horrible, especially when they zoom. The quality of the stream is horrible enough without zooming in on pixels as well as it's really bad on the eyes and confusing. The constant jumping around the map is not very viewer friendly either, and MANY MANY times they jump off to some random spot while I'm watching the minimap seeing two armies going at it while they go something like;
"Isn't that right about that one thing that one time at that one place with you and/or me and X random player"
"Sure is dude, sure is"
"Haha, yeah, it is"
"Haha yeah"
Overall, can't compare them to day9, hd and husky at mlg and iem. The sheer difference in quality of what's being said is just astounding. I don't know how I can be specific, it would be like telling someone directions to a building that we're both standing in front of.
Their chemistry is a wonderful thing. Also I can't believe my ears/eyes when you say Hd/Husky is better than Tasteless... Those guys literally have no knowledge of the game in comparison.
Though I agree with you that the preparation of the casting has been poor, for example Tasteless not even knowing spectating/replay hotkeys and such.
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I enjoy their commentary, and I think that are doing a decent job. But I think there are a few things that can be improved quickly. A lot of it seems to point towards problems with preparation, which shouldn't be the commentator's fault. I would think it's the production team's fault, but that's my opinion from the outside peeking in.
A few times there's been confusion about who's computer is being broadcasted. A quick run-through before the day's matches will fix that easy. Come on production crew step up your game.
Player information is rather lacking, the player's favorite unit tidbit is a clear attempt to fill up time. Don't the organizers have players fill out a quick interview sheet or something. If they don't they really should. Questions like toughest match up, or opinions on laddering could easily be more entertaining than "he likes banelings".
Sure the a good number of the players are rather unknown, and Starcraft 2 is a game that's only been out for less than 2 months. But all these players played and won a good amount of games to even make it to the round of 64. Where are those replays? Have someone go over those replays and at least have a little bit of insight in to strategy and play style. Does the player favor mech or bio? Didn't drop a game against zerg yet? Seems to have trouble transitioning to 3 base play?
And on a final note... I question the wisdom of allowing commentators to compete in the tournament that they are casting. Feels so unprofessional and I think it harms the quality of the broadcast. I would think that it is hard to commentate 4 best of 3 series, but to put on top of that playing in one of them? How can anyone be expected to do either one to the best of their abilities?
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Osaka27172 Posts
The commentating has improved greatly from the early casts in the tournament. I still think there are some things that can be improved, but it is light years better than what I watched from them in other events.
edit - the zooming is terrible though. It looks great on their comps but horrible on everyone else's.
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There is a problem when they speak over each other at the sametime.
They should just decide to let 1 person call the action when battles engage and or rotate it every game.
I remember back when sc2gg had multi commentaries they all let klazart call the actions parts and it made alot of sense without 3 guys trying to shout over each other.
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I have officially lost all faith in this site...
im going back to the BW forums and i dont even play BW and i play sc2 everyday... but seriously this thread is just sickening. Comparing youtube wannabe's to the original shoutcaster....
i understand why the elitists hate the SC2 forums so much now.
LoL at HD and Husky know more than Artosis/Tasteless...
literally have never been so offended by this site.
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..........In my opinion, everything is fine. The casts are amazing. The games are sometimes good. The obs are okay, though it's hard to cover all the mini battles on the map.
.........Here is how to not get dizzy from those quick scrolling stuff in sc2 "play more FPS"
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On September 19 2010 16:28 mnofstl007 wrote:
I have officially lost all faith in this site...
im going back to the BW forums and i dont even play BW and i play sc2 everyday... but seriously this thread is just sickening. Comparing youtube wannabe's to the original shoutcaster....
i understand why the elitists hate the SC2 forums so much now.
LoL at HD and Husky know more than Artosis/Tasteless...
literally have never been so offended by this site.
whats your problem?
whats wrong with this site? this site is perfectly fine. the only thing that bugs you is that people have different opinions. If you don't like to talk about it then don't. Just go away.
No need to come post a completely rude and off topic post just to flame at everyone else.
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I love all the people saying they should get like Husky. What the fuck. WHAT THE FUCK!!!
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On September 19 2010 18:04 Vz0 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 16:28 mnofstl007 wrote:
I have officially lost all faith in this site...
im going back to the BW forums and i dont even play BW and i play sc2 everyday... but seriously this thread is just sickening. Comparing youtube wannabe's to the original shoutcaster....
i understand why the elitists hate the SC2 forums so much now.
LoL at HD and Husky know more than Artosis/Tasteless...
literally have never been so offended by this site. whats your problem? whats wrong with this site? this site is perfectly fine. the only thing that bugs you is that people have different opinions. If you don't like to talk about it then don't. Just go away. No need to come post a completely rude and off topic post just to flame at everyone else.
because the quality of posts/threads on this site was 10000000000000000000000000x better 6+ months ago.
seriously how can anyone compare youtube heros with their 13 yr old fans to actual casters...
Artosis/tasteless need to start posting on youtube because apparently thats how you get fans and considered "good".
Seriously i LOVE this thread full of 1-100 post users (ya my post count isnt High..but i trolled these forums for 3-4 years before i ever posted...cause my knowledge of pro-level sc:bw was little to none, but i loved reading what actual gosu's posted.) saying
"ZOMG Husky and HD know more than Tasteless and Artosis!"
.... seriously makes me want to cry... and then i remember, o wait this is the internet.
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On September 19 2010 16:28 mnofstl007 wrote:
I have officially lost all faith in this site...
im going back to the BW forums and i dont even play BW and i play sc2 everyday... but seriously this thread is just sickening. Comparing youtube wannabe's to the original shoutcaster....
i understand why the elitists hate the SC2 forums so much now.
LoL at HD and Husky know more than Artosis/Tasteless...
literally have never been so offended by this site.
you actually got offended by a thread on a forum? your life is fucking depressing mate.
and elitists are just people that think their opinion is more important than others, ie douchebags like you.
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Part of this is opinion and personal preference, ie. which casters you enjoy the most, but saying Husky/HD know more about this game than Tasteless and Artosis is just horribly, horribly wrong.
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On September 19 2010 18:23 Orome wrote:
Part of this is opinion and personal preference, ie. which casters you enjoy the most, but saying Husky/HD know more about this game than Tasteless and Artosis is just horribly, horribly wrong.
Artosis made it into the GSL. Tasteless was in the HDH. They might not be the "best", but they know their stuff better than 95% of the people on these forums unlike Husky and HD. They know their stuff. Case closed on this. End of discussion between the knowledge of the 4.
Now all that needs to happen is Tasteless can be a bit better obsing and we have gold.
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Wow. . .how can anyone stand and bash Tasteless and Artosis. There's nothing wrong with a little bit of constructive criticism but what the hell is with all the hate. Maybe there's just to many new people. . .maybe they don't understand what people like Tasteless and Artosis have done for the starcraft community. Perfect casting doesn't come overnight I'm sure that they're working hard at it. If you don't like their casting then watch someone elses. Just show some respect for people giving you free content and insight.
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