On September 19 2010 16:28 mnofstl007 wrote: I have officially lost all faith in this site...
im going back to the BW forums and i dont even play BW and i play sc2 everyday... but seriously this thread is just sickening. Comparing youtube wannabe's to the original shoutcaster....
i understand why the elitists hate the SC2 forums so much now.
LoL at HD and Husky know more than Artosis/Tasteless...
literally have never been so offended by this site.
you actually got offended by a thread on a forum? your life is fucking depressing mate.
and elitists are just people that think their opinion is more important than others, ie douchebags like you.
actually "mate", my life isn't depressing at all.
People who think they have ANY idea what someone else's life is like because they read a single thread on a forum is retarded "mate".
Id rather be an elitist than a retard "mate".
btw my opinion IS more important than yours to me, cause your opinion is retarded "mate".
(btw i spoke in australian so you could understand me "mate". I assume you say mate a lot since you posted this post once on Tl.net that said mate. I bet you surf everyday and see kangaroos on your drive to school, since you live in australia! ITS AMZING HOW MUCH I KNOW ABOUT YOU FROM READING ONE OF YOUR POSTS!)
Their casting is fine, their slight bias some games, personal jokes and Lingo all add to the fun. It wouldn't be interesting to watch if all they were doing was talking about what's happening in the game. I can already see that.
Guess what people!! If you don't like their casts you don't have to bitch about it and post it on TL!! just don't watch it! There are millions of people who enjoy them like I. So Piss off!
On September 19 2010 18:38 backtoback wrote: Guess what people!! If you don't like their casts you don't have to bitch about it and post it on TL!! just don't watch it! There are millions of people who enjoy them like I. So Piss off!
<3 it haha...
"Piss off" is so fun to say, especially when you do this >:O with ur face.
On September 19 2010 18:23 Orome wrote: Part of this is opinion and personal preference, ie. which casters you enjoy the most, but saying Husky/HD know more about this game than Tasteless and Artosis is just horribly, horribly wrong.
Artosis made it into the GSL. Tasteless was in the HDH. They might not be the "best", but they know their stuff better than 95% of the people on these forums unlike Husky and HD. They know their stuff. Case closed on this. End of discussion between the knowledge of the 4.
Now all that needs to happen is Tasteless can be a bit better obsing and we have gold.
tasteless was in the HDH ?
erm... tasteless has casted at blizzcon, WCG and the past gomtv tourneys, he's also played broodwar in WCG afaik.
they're veteran RPG pro's.
hd and husky are just a couple of new school guys who started amateur SC2 casts on youtube during the beta.
somehow this thread went from tactful suggestions for tasteless as he acclimates to sc2 casting to a a comparison of him to lesser commentators.
for those new to the world of competitive starcraft -you will be hard pressed to find two more knowledgeable casters than tasteless and artosis. hd/husky, albeit respectable in their own right, lack the depth of understanding possessed by the former.
so please, if you have no suggestions opt-out of posting.
I actually disagree with OP - I would rather have Tasteless switch vision a lot more often, I personnally like to see everything that's happening, and although it's normal to stick on a specific unit when it's doing something particularly interesting for a bit, my impression is that they both then start to comment on it etc and the observing suffers - once the interesting part is over, talk about it but keep obs'ing the other things happening.
Also I do believe the best tab to keep open generally is the Production tab - they do have it on regularly but I have to say, you can clearly see they're not used to it as it often takes them ages to notice what's building (I remember one of the latest GSL games where Zenio - I believe - started going nydus and they noticed it after about 1 min of it being on their screen on the prod tab).
That being said, don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the commentating and the insight that they bring, and they're both great - just saying what I think they could improve .
i think the casts have made some incredible improvements and i cant imagine anybody having legitimate complaints with the casting/commentating ive read some of the recent criticism and it just seems like nit picking, almost like they're inventing reasons to dislike tastosis i cant imagine who they prefer over these two because the job tasteless/artosis are currently doing is phenomenal IMO
I purchased the season ticket 60% because of tasteless and artosis casting it. their doing a great, great job. the only thing that could be better is catching important upgrades/techs at the right time, which is probably the hardest task anyway.
On September 19 2010 20:13 Meatloaf wrote: tastosis made me laugh.
In the Idra Ro64 match there were really issues with the camera not pointing at all where anything was happening for at least 5 minutes.
yeah they had the stream on the wrong observer, who i think was afk, then when they fix it you notice a chance of gamma and stuff and the camera starts working properly and has english words instead of korean stuff, thats when they changed to tasteless's camera
Don't know about the obsing, but please stop saying "oh my god" and "wow" 16 kajilion times per game. Please. "Tastosis" knowledge of the game is clearly the best of any commentators out there, but their lack of vocabulary when describing in game events is really irritating. I've actually noticed this with every American commentator (especially Day9); the tendancy to overuse the same phrases over and over when something exciting is happening. It makes the play-by-play part of commentary much worse than the admittedly brilliant analysis.
So yeah, i have no problems with the rest of it, just please stop saying "omg wow" all the time and it'll be close to the best esports commentary i've ever heard (<3 Joe Miller).
On September 19 2010 18:23 Orome wrote: Part of this is opinion and personal preference, ie. which casters you enjoy the most, but saying Husky/HD know more about this game than Tasteless and Artosis is just horribly, horribly wrong.
Artosis made it into the GSL. Tasteless was in the HDH. They might not be the "best", but they know their stuff better than 95% of the people on these forums unlike Husky and HD. They know their stuff. Case closed on this. End of discussion between the knowledge of the 4.
Now all that needs to happen is Tasteless can be a bit better obsing and we have gold.
tasteless was in the HDH ?
erm... tasteless has casted at blizzcon, WCG and the past gomtv tourneys, he's also played broodwar in WCG afaik.
they're veteran RPG pro's.
hd and husky are just a couple of new school guys who started amateur SC2 casts on youtube during the beta.
Tasteless even beat Day[9] in the HDH, but both got invited due to their fame and not their super high quality as a player.
Ugh... I hate when players compare quality casters like Tasteless (Who gets paid to cast, and makes a good living at it) to crap casters like Husky.
Husky reminds me of Dennis Miller when he was casting Monday Night Football; talked like he kinda knew what was going on, but he very obviously didn't, and sounded like an absolute idiot most of the time. That's Husky.
HD is pretty solid actually, but if he didn't have Husky weighing him down he would probably be invited to cast bigger tournaments. I know a LOT of players who refuse to have Husky cast they games cuz they just don't like him.
I really don't get the hate for Husky, his casts are entertaining to watch, which is what sports casting is generally about anyway. He's spread the word of Starcraft since Broodwar all over Youtube and has probably drawn in a lot more spectators and players to Starcraft 2. That's an achievement he should be proud of, not many people have done that and he's been a really big boost in trying to help E-Sports out of Korea, gathering spectators for various tournaments and showing people what Starcraft is really like.
So, props to Husky. Tastless does exactly the same thing, but rather than Youtube he's been doing it for years on GOM and other places, both are very entertaining casters and I enjoy watching both of their casts. Tastless, your obsing has definately got a lot better from last week anyways! I can actually work out what's on the screen even on the low quality stream now, where as before you where whizzing around so fast I never really got a focus on any of the numbers.
My biggest problem with tasteless is that he say things like "OMG OMG OMG OMG" when there is action happening on the screen without adding any context. He needs to use his words and not just spam the audio channels.
Hes gotten alot better as an observer, but he still loves zooming in on random parts of the map while missing important tech. Additionally, when he trys to predict what is going to happen, hes almost always wrong. Artosis is so on top of these games so much that it makes up for tasteless. Hes very insightful and full of useful information
I think they are both doing a great job so far considering the english side of the tournament seems less then prepared. Remember, these guys are doing A LOT of casting and they have tons to think about at any given time. As these tournaments go on their only going to improve.
Currently it seems like they are both putting more effort into making the tournament easily accessible and fun too watch then making it hardcore SC2 analysis. Eventually they will find a balance but for now just enjoy it because they are trying to bring this game we all love to a larger audience.
Keep up the great work guys, I look forward to watching your casts and they are an awesome part of my day!
They improved a lot after all the begining critisism. But after that the obsing have gone worse. (missing dark shrine...) I really think tasteless needs to focus on obsing first, let artosis talk more. (and stop cuting artosis when he begins to explain a move like : A : wow that battle, I really liked when he moved his zergling to f.... T : OH YEAH? AWESOME, AWESOME MOVE, this player is SO GREAT And they he goes on a rampage of sooooo greatness and so awesomeness when artosis tried to explain WHY it was awesome.
I'm being critical, but I still really love their casting overall, just pointing where they could improve. And I still wake up every day to watch the stream.
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