On June 10 2010 09:45 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 08:14 Vivi57 wrote:
This should be fun.
Also, is lynching an inactive really best? We've done that since forever and people are so used to the strategy that I don't think it'll give us as much in the way of vote lists and voting patterns to analyze.
I say that we make everyone talk then analyze behavior and if someone appears scummy, we shouldn't insta go for the inactive.
I think I agree with this. Usually I'm a champion of inactive lynching, but theoretically in this set up there should not be anyone blatantly inactive. I mean, the invites were sent out solely
based on activity. If we're having a problem with activity, by all means, but for now lets try to analyze.
Face the facts, mafia who try to coast by are lame, mafia who play hardcore are sweet. Like Incognito in Mafia XXII; that was well done.
I totally agree, acting crazy and winning is a lot better than being quite and winning.. I totally agree with getting people to talk that we can analyze them.. Soon after I pulled a stunt..
On June 11 2010 02:16 Radfield wrote:
Here's the way I see things right now. Whether you agree with L's plan or not, things have started moving regardless. We have both a DT and Tracker claim, so at this point I think we have a duty to follow along with our roleclaims simply to protect those two. Both tree.hugger and Ludwig strike me as telling the truth.
My guess would be that mafia will roleclaim as 3 townies and 1 blue role, the blue role will likely be claimed near the end. I doubt we have doubles of any role, as there is simply no need with this amount of players, and the number of potential open roles. So any blue-claiming right off the bat is very very risky.
Ludwig, PMing our roles to L is a bad bad idea. PMing our roles to anyone at this point is not smart, simply because there is no way to make a really solid case for someone being pro-town. The downside of picking the wrong person is basically a loss for the town. If we should be PMing anyone, it should be you, as I pretty much take your claim at face value at this point. However, I think public roleclaiming is the best way to go for the moment.
With that being said, I am a Townie and my job is to get shot on the first night. If we have a watcher, I recommend you have a look at me tonight as I have a decent streak going. Of course, it probably makes more sense to watch one of the blue claimers to try and find the roleblocker.
Medic should be protecting tree.hugger or Ludwig at this point, with emphasis on tree.hugger.
Did you get fired from your job? I would never assume that there are a set amount of blues.. I like to pretend that everyone has some special role..even myself most of the time.. But when a gun is pointed at my head, I usually tell the truth.. but I don't see any guns nearby.. hopefully, I don't get blindsided.. This roleclaim seems true to me. What does Rad have to lose by not telling the truth? I know after getting killed on the first day, the following game it is easy to be bold and role claim day one. So Chez why didn't you roleclaim yet? - can't believe no one asked this yet- B/c I'm Chez. When no one roleclaims I role claim. When everyone roleclaims I don't. Plus I don't have a gun pointed at my head.. But what is the real reason? I was semi-inactive and when I got to the thread it was only me and meeple left who didn't roleclaim and I was like I just won't roleclaim for the fun of it..
On June 11 2010 02:19 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 02:03 tree.hugger wrote:On June 11 2010 01:53 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm not sure. Usually I agree with the inactive lynch and more discussion, but as Radfield said, inactivity should not be a problem this game. Role claiming usually comes as a last resort? Why would we push for roleclaiming THIS early. It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
I'd guess the mafia are planning privately right now. So they probably aren't posting too much. If we're serious about this role claiming, we're giving them a lot to decide. Who claims what, risk/reward type shit.
But since we've had a dt claim we can use him to our advantage. So we must get his sanity established...Do we have him check somebody, and then lynch the person the next day? Just check and hope mafia kills the person? Maybe he's paranoid? Lots of problems come up from this.
I dunno what the best course of action is, I'm not usually that good at coming up with plans for the town.
=(
Posts like this, which don't help, say a couple really obvious generic things, and which address what the mafia 'might be doing' while the poster does the opposite...
Red flags?
Mafia list: A5J
OpZ
I had the same feeling tree.hugger, but I think it's more benificial to let things like this slide in the moment and try to build a case after more posts. No need to point out to potential mafia that they're not doing a good job.
If tree.hugger would have waited, he would have died and no one would of known who he thought was suspicious.. Need more posts for more analysis, I guess I could try and get more people to talk. We should probably compile old posts of the dead. As in "We" can someone else do this? Just getting Rad's posts took a while...
On June 11 2010 06:50 Radfield wrote:
I'm pretty sure the day vig knows they're the day vig. I imagine it's in their role PM.
@AcrossFiveJulys Here's the way I see it going down if everyone roleclaims. We have a pretty good idea of how many blue roles there are, so an overabundance of blue or green will tip us off one way or another. In addition, any mafia claiming blue is making a risky decision, because any blue role that doubles up will be investigated/killed/whatever. At the very least attention will be placed on the two claimers. It seems likely that most of the people who claim blue will actually BE blue. Therefore, we can narrow down our list of suspects to the green claimers. Thoughts? It's not perfect, but considering that we already have 2 blue and 3 green claimed, I think it's our best bet.
Also
##KILL: Chezinu
Here is proof that Radfield has a sense of humor and is not the Dvig.
On June 11 2010 07:01 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 06:58 Korynne wrote:
*sigh* Another blue post signifying a mod ignoring a specific command only usable by selected people.
yeah, sorry about that, just trying to have some fun
Here Rad totally countered Korynne's sigh with a smile.. Great technique!
On June 11 2010 09:41 Radfield wrote:
I'm wiped guys, and going to bed. I have stuff to say, but I'll say it in the morning. I'm beginning to rethink lynching inactives. MORE POSTING PEOPLE! You know who you are.
Are you talking to me? Well, I have been busy - I'm posting now! We should listen to Radfield and post more!
On June 11 2010 19:50 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 10:40 L wrote:We have decided there is probably around 4-5 greens
Look at the game numbers. 17 players. 13 town. 4 mafia. 7 blue roles. We're likely to have 4-7 blues max, giving us at the worst 6 greens. The game is 1 kp with 17 players in play. Every correct lynch we have buys us a day. Every medic prot buys us a day. We have potential 3 information roles. With 2 players down a day and a minimum of 8 people alive if we chain-mishit, we have 9 deaths until we're in near death situation. That means we can screw up every single day until day 5 and still win. Given that, I'd be very shocked to see us packing 8-9 blues as per your estimate.
I failed to realize how a mafia KP of 1 gives us so much time. On that note it seems quite unlikely for the town to have 6 or 7 blue roles, as we would be seriously overpowered, even if mafia had a roleblocker/godfather/dayvig. I would think we have a medic out there, and probably one of vig/vet/hatter, but that might be it.
During the night we need to pick someone for ludwig to check, and then lynch that person on day 2 to figure out his sanity. I have a few ideas in mind, but we don't need to start talking about that just yet necessarily. In fact, it might make more sense to PM our suggestions to tree.hugger and Ludwig, and let them make the final call together, as they are both highly likely to be town aligned. The reason to keep it private would be so the mafia can't snipe that player first and delay us finding out Ludwig's sanity.
Since we have about twelve hours, I'm putting forward some lynch suspects:
Johnnyspazz: Four posts in the thread, all of them one liners.
AcrossFiveJulys: Made some bad arguments against roleclaiming, moderate amount of spamming. This was his roleclaim:
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I agree that at this point we are committed to this potentially shitty plan because our "tracker" and "detective" have RC'd. I don't mind role claiming townie for myself, at least. If anyone can think of a good way to put the brakes on the plan even though a couple "blues" have RC'd then please post how to do so, otherwise let's go forward with the plan even though it sucks because it's worse to just give the mafia a few blues and then stop.
Something about this roleclaim seemed off to me, but I can't really put my finger on it.
Both of these are good lynch targets in my eyes, but FIRST AND FOREMOST, any non roleclaimers need to be looked at in my opinion. We need information on the table, and people who don't claim are hindering the town at this point.
Right now I think we should be looking at AFJ and Jspazz as potential targets for ludwig's sanity check. Theoretically neither of you should be particularly opposed to sacrificing for the town if you're town aligned
. Do people Agree? Disagree? Thoughts?
I think that Jspazz is innocent and that town will lynch him anyways. I also believe the Dts will listen to you and check A5J both coming back as reading "townie". A5J would also get roleblocked. A5J will oppose killing himself later on under the above circumstances. Bet you didn't see that coming Rad!
On June 11 2010 19:54 Radfield wrote:I also just noticed we have 4 voters in the voting thread. What the heck people!? Do NOT vote without posting an explanation, that helps the mafia coast. (I realize Chez posted a reason)
Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 15:59 Chezinu wrote:
## vote Radfield
aka abstaining for now.. because no one else would dare vote for him, right?
Yeah, Rad is being nice to me! Thus I think he is town because I'm biased..
On June 12 2010 00:46 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 23:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
The plan isn't that bad. I could be confusing Jspazz with someone else, I just can't think of who it is right now.
Abenson? It seems like he has a pretty bad reputation in mafia.
4 left to claim:
MooCow
Meeple
Foolishness
Chezinu
For the record I don't think we should lynch Jspazz today. He's probably town. I think we should use him as our sanity test for ludwig. Investigate him tonight, lynch him Day 2.
At this point, I think one of these four should be our target for now. We have about 9 hours until day ends.
It appears as though inactivity may be a little bit of a problem after all. Anyone still flying under the radar should be looked in to.
OK, he isn't playing Mr. Nice Guy anymore... Opposes lynching Jspazz now -- good choice but too late..
On June 12 2010 07:47 Radfield wrote:Korynne, would you mind using the new TL time tags? It sure is easier to think in our own time zones(mind you, I'm 12 hours off exactly, so it's not a problem for me really)
I strongly disagree with lynching Jspazz right now, I still think we should use him as our sanity check.
Just posting this for reference:
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Votes for ohN (2)
citi.zen
johnnyspazz
Votes for Radfield (1)
Chezinu
Votes for ~OpZ~ (1)
Vivi57
Votes for johnnyspazz (4)
tree.hugger
RebirthOfLegend
LuDwig-
ohN
Votes for meeple (4)
redtooth
AcrossFiveJulys
~OpZ~
Foolishness
Votes for flamewheel (1)
flamewheel
Meeple has yet to claim, though Ludwig seems to think he's town aligned. Given that Ludwig is basically a confirmed townie, that may be good enough. It's very possible meeple roleclaimed his true role to Ludwig. If this is the case, it may need to be made public as the votes come in. Chezinu also has yet to claim, but I'm not particularly worried about him....
Blue Roles: Seems very unlikely that we have two detectives, also seems unlikely that Ludwig is not a detective, as he roleclaimed very early on, and really doesn't seem like the type of player to roleclaim blue if he's mafia. Personally I think Moocow is lying, but he should get a pass for the moment given our claiming plan. He's an obvious target for the mafia, so if he hasn't died after a few nights, we start thinking about lynching him.
If any blue roles have claimed green in the thread(medics/vets/hatters etc.), you should think about roleclaiming to tree.hugger or ludwig, who strike me as very likely pro-town.
Lynch candidates for tonight seem to be meeple and Jspazz. I disagree with both of these choices. Unfortunately I don't have a real great alternative right now, as I don't have time to scour for people who are coasting. Redtooth and Foolishness both posted early on, but haven't given much input once the roleclaims really starting coming in, and haven't given input into lynching. Vivi57 kinda falls in this category as well. Probably other people as well. Also, I really don't like that Flamewheel voted for himself, abstaining is a bad thing for the town, but he's probably town, as I doubt a mafia would want to draw attention to himself.
Honestly AcrossFiveJulys(and Citi.zen for that matter) still strikes me as possible mafia, but he's been active, which is worth a lot of suspicion. I'd honestly rather have an active mafia then an inactive townie.
Here is the order of roleclaims for reference:
1
tree.hugger tracker
2
ohN Townie
3
LuDwig- Detective
4
Radfield Townie
5
johnnyspazz Townie
6
AcrossFiveJulys Townie
7
RebirthOfLeGend Townie
8
L Townie
9 flamewheel Townie
10
Vivi57 Townie
11
redtooth Townie
12
citi.zen Townie
13 ~
OpZ~ Townie
14
MooCow Detective
15
Foolishness Townie
Chezinu meeple We really need more activity in the thread, though it can be assumed that PM's are happening behind the scenes. For now redtooth gets my vote unless he starts posting some more. I may change later.
Nice to know your not worried about me.. It really encourages me to be inactive.. But knowing I'm Chez... I will be active anyways as long as I'm not to busying in RL.. Continued talk about being active...
On June 12 2010 07:47 Radfield wrote:Korynne, would you mind using the new TL time tags? It sure is easier to think in our own time zones(mind you, I'm 12 hours off exactly, so it's not a problem for me really)
I strongly disagree with lynching Jspazz right now, I still think we should use him as our sanity check.
Just posting this for reference:
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Votes for ohN (2)
citi.zen
johnnyspazz
Votes for Radfield (1)
Chezinu
Votes for ~OpZ~ (1)
Vivi57
Votes for johnnyspazz (4)
tree.hugger
RebirthOfLegend
LuDwig-
ohN
Votes for meeple (4)
redtooth
AcrossFiveJulys
~OpZ~
Foolishness
Votes for flamewheel (1)
flamewheel
Meeple has yet to claim, though Ludwig seems to think he's town aligned. Given that Ludwig is basically a confirmed townie, that may be good enough. It's very possible meeple roleclaimed his true role to Ludwig. If this is the case, it may need to be made public as the votes come in. Chezinu also has yet to claim, but I'm not particularly worried about him....
Blue Roles: Seems very unlikely that we have two detectives, also seems unlikely that Ludwig is not a detective, as he roleclaimed very early on, and really doesn't seem like the type of player to roleclaim blue if he's mafia. Personally I think Moocow is lying, but he should get a pass for the moment given our claiming plan. He's an obvious target for the mafia, so if he hasn't died after a few nights, we start thinking about lynching him.
If any blue roles have claimed green in the thread(medics/vets/hatters etc.), you should think about roleclaiming to tree.hugger or ludwig, who strike me as very likely pro-town.
Lynch candidates for tonight seem to be meeple and Jspazz. I disagree with both of these choices. Unfortunately I don't have a real great alternative right now, as I don't have time to scour for people who are coasting. Redtooth and Foolishness both posted early on, but haven't given much input once the roleclaims really starting coming in, and haven't given input into lynching. Vivi57 kinda falls in this category as well. Probably other people as well. Also, I really don't like that Flamewheel voted for himself, abstaining is a bad thing for the town, but he's probably town, as I doubt a mafia would want to draw attention to himself.
Honestly AcrossFiveJulys(and Citi.zen for that matter) still strikes me as possible mafia, but he's been active, which is worth a lot of suspicion. I'd honestly rather have an active mafia then an inactive townie.
Here is the order of roleclaims for reference:
1
tree.hugger tracker
2
ohN Townie
3
LuDwig- Detective
4
Radfield Townie
5
johnnyspazz Townie
6
AcrossFiveJulys Townie
7
RebirthOfLeGend Townie
8
L Townie
9 flamewheel Townie
10
Vivi57 Townie
11
redtooth Townie
12
citi.zen Townie
13 ~
OpZ~ Townie
14
MooCow Detective
15
Foolishness Townie
Chezinu meeple We really need more activity in the thread, though it can be assumed that PM's are happening behind the scenes. For now redtooth gets my vote unless he starts posting some more. I may change later.
Same old stuff with updated list.. This time Rad uses threat motivation to try and get redtooth to become active! Let's see if this works...
On June 12 2010 08:04 Radfield wrote:
interesting, well we certainly don't have a watcher, 2 dt's and a tracker, but we may have 4 blue roles. All blue claimers are safe for tonight as far as I'm concerned, so I recommend people to not Meeple. Jspazz if we must, but not meeple.
DOCTOR: you should think long and hard about protecting tree.hugger as he is our most confirmed townie. But don't be afraid to protect one of the other blue claimers as well. Seems likely one of them will die.
Decides Jspazz is better target to kill than meeple after meeple claims.. Tells Doctor to think about protecting tree.hugger but says it is ok if doctor protects another blue claimer... tree.huggers later dies..
On June 12 2010 10:31 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz.
Absolutely.
We should also decide on a day 2 lynch candidate, so whomever our dt checks, we can lynch them day 2, and get closer to narrowing down their sanity.
I'm leaning towards a low activity townie (redtooth, foolishness, vivi) or AFJ. DT's feel free to use your own discretion, but be prepared to lynch whomever you check tonight.
Dts decide to go with A5F.. Finally done!
EPT
