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TL MAFIA XXVII
List of important posts:
Day 1
Night 1
Day 2
Night 2
Day 3
Night 3
Day 4
*Korynne is helping me co-host this game. Any questions or night actions can be directed towards her or me.
Intro:
Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking.
This mafia game works slightly different than the normal one (read: Mafia), so I'll explain it a bit more. During the night mafia will collectively decide on and send in their hits to me, who they want dead (it's a good idea to discuss them during day so you know ahead of time). Any player with a special role that can act during the night must PM me their actions each and every night.
If the mafia at any time outnumber the townspeople, they win the game. The goal for the townspeople is to lynch all the members of the mafia by whatever analysis, teamwork, or guile they have. The goal of the mafia, of course, is to kill the townspeople with murderous precision.
The game is typically very active and there are usually numerous walls of text to wade through. If you are not a person who likes reading then I highly suggest you don't play the game because it is essential to being informed within the game. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules: (subject to change)
Posting Etiquette:
In the past, many players have complained or quit because of the excessive bm and pointless flaming. If you are posting agressively and know you couldn't get away with it anywhere else on this site, it probably isn't ok here. Besides, contrary to what you may think, yelling at someone is a great way to convince people to disagree with your arguments. Please do not post inappropriately, or it will earn you a warning based on mod discretion. If you choose to ignore the warning, you will be modkilled. Examples of inappropriate posts include excessive cursing and vulgarity, among other things.
Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to) the following and will get you banned from future games:
1. Posting after death. One polite goodbye post is acceptable but please do not post anything which could POSSIBLY affect the game. If you post anything which I deem game altering, whether intended or not, you will be temp banned from my future games as per Strategic Rule Breaking. Your pleas of innocence will not be entertained, and the mods (Korynne and I) reserve the final say in the matter. If you have any doubts to the acceptability of an after-death post, PM one of us before you make your post and we will try to get back to you as soon as possible.
2. Betraying your role and ruining the game for everyone by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
3. Logging on to someone else's account / checking their PMs / looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. This is not a photoshop competition.
6. Posting any PM you receive from a host.
7. Editing posts. Editing posts is not allowed for any reason. The mods can see your edits, and if you are caught, you will look suspicious.
8. Strategic Rule Breaking - is when you break a rule and that action leads to a net gain for your team. If you do this, you will be temp banned from my future games, and I will request that you be placed on the TL Mafia Ban List for one game longer than you would receive for inactivity bans. Again, your please of innocence will not be entertained. Feel free to contact us to confirm that your strategy is valid if you have any doubts.
Voting rules:
1. You must post your vote in the Vote Thread (which will be in a separate thread in the mafia forum). Do not PM or IM it to me.
2. You must clearly declare and bold your vote in this format ie: ##Vote Qatol.
3. You can not autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon.
4. You may vote for yourself if you so choose. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.
5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins over the other person.
6. You may NOT abstain.
7. Voting is mandatory. You must vote or be modkilled.
Modkills:
Inactivity has been a problem in every mafia game so far. My rules are simple. Miss a vote and you will be modkilled. Anyone who is modkilled may not play in one of my games until they have proven themselves to be active players in another game. I am hoping I never have to modkill anyone. Please remain active so I do not have to. If you do not believe you can maintain the required level of activity, please do not sign up for the game in the first place. If something unexpected comes up, then please PM me ASAP and I will try to find you a replacement.
Signups:
This game is open by invite only. Invites will be sent out primarily on the basis of past proven activity levels. However, as I have not been able to keep up with all the recent games, there is a possibility that you may have been left off the invite list even though you deserve a spot in the game. If you think this is the case, PM me and I will consider your case.
The game will start as soon as we get 20 players (but after Bang Bang Mafia is finished).
Clues:
There are no clues.
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a strict 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. In case Korynne or I will not make a day/night post, any actions (votes or night actions) timestamped after the deadline will not count and the game will be put on halt until the day/night post is up.
Credits:
Chuiu, Ace, Tracil, Caller, BloodyC0bbler, Qatol, Ver, LTT, Plexa, Pyrrhuloxia, Bill Murray, Zona, and flamewheel for taking the time to run mafia games for us.
The balance crew (you know who you are) for helping us to make this setup reasonably balanced.
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Player List:
1. flamewheel
2. ohN (Modkilled)
3. tree.hugger (Tracker)
4. Vivi57
5. Radfield
6. Chezinu
7. citi.zen
8. Foolishness
9. redtooth (Modkilled)
10. RebirthOfLeGend (Modkilled)
11. meeple
12. ~OpZ~ (Modkilled)
13. L (Godfather)
14. johnnyspazz
15. LuDwig- (Roleblocker)
16. MooCow
17. AcrossFiveJulys
7 of 17 players remaining
? of ? Detectives remain
? of ? Trackers remain
? of ? Watchers remain
? of ? Medics remain
? of ? Vigilantes remain
? of ? Mad Hatters remain
? of ? Veterans remain
? of ? Millers remain
0 of 4 Mafia remain (this includes Godfather and/or Roleblocker)
? of ? Godfather remain
? of ? Roleblocker remain
? of ? Day Vigilantes remain
Mafia KP = 1
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Roles
This is a semi-open setup. Roles will be disclosed, but role counts will remain hidden. There is a possibility that not all roles listed here will be used in the game. Read this section carefully, it may be subject to change.
*Role descriptions are scanty because a) you are probably familiar with all these roles anyway, and b) I don't want to re-edit them since I now have to start all over again...*
Townie
You are just a normal player with no night actions. All you can do is vote during the day. But the town needs you to win so be active!
Detective
You can make night investigations. Once per night you may ask for the alignment of any player. Alignments are either Town or Mafia. You may be either sane, insane, paranoid, or naive.
Tracker
You have the power to stalk people. Once per night you can follow someone and learn who your target visited during the night.
Watcher
You have the power to spy on people. Once per night you can spy on someone and learn who visited them that night.
Medic
You have the power to save lives. Once per night you can watch a player. If your target is attacked, you will block one hit aimed at them. If you make a successful save, both you and your target will be notified of the save. You cannot save yourself.
Vigilante
You have the power to bring justice during the night. Once per game you may hit a target player of your choice. If your hit overlaps with another hit, your hit will go through and will not be refunded.
Mad Hatter
You have the power to lay bombs. You may place one bomb per night, and may remove as many bombs as you like during the night phase. If you die at any point in the game, you will detonate the bombs, causing your targets to take one hit. You may place a maximum of two bombs. If a player that has a bomb is lynched, you lose that bomb for good.
Veteran
You get two night lives instead of one! As always, you still die to a lynch regardless of the number of lives you still have left.
Mafia
Your goal is to eliminate everyone else in the town. Your ability, as a group, is killing off whomever you decide on at night and knowing the role of each other player in your mafia. You may kill your own members. Mafia killing power will be determined when the game begins. You also must choose the Godfather from among yourselves. If you do not choose by night 1, I will randomly choose for you.
Godfather
You are a mafia member who shows up as Town to alignment checks.
Roleblocker
You are a mafia member who has the ability to prevent a player from performing a night action. Once per night, you may roleblock a player, and your target will be unable to perform night actions for that night. Your target will be informed that they have been role blocked regardless of whether or not they can perform a night action.
Miller
You are a townie in every way, except that you show up as Mafia to alignment checks instead of Town.
Day Vigilante
You carry out (in)justice...in broad daylight. Once per game, you may type ##Kill (Player) in the thread. That player will die instantly and the day will continue as normal. You are aligned with either the town or the mafia, and can be secure with the fact that your shot cannot be blocked by either medics or roleblockers. Woohoo!
Role PM Examples:
+ Show Spoiler +Welcome to TL Mafia XXVII! Your role is: TowniePM Incognito if you have any questions about your role. Welcome to TL Mafia XXVII! Your role is: Blue RolePM Incognito if you have any questions about your role. Welcome to TL Mafia XXVII! Your role is: MafiaYour team consists of: 1. Ver2. Incognito3. ChuiuPM Incognito if you have any questions about your role. For Town aligned DayVig: Welcome to TL Mafia XXVII! Your role is: Day VigilantePM Incognito if you have any questions about your role. For Mafia aligned DayVig: Welcome to TL Mafia XXVII! Your role is: Day VigilantePM Incognito if you have any questions about your role.
Some rule clarifications:
The roleblocker is NOT forced to act every night.
DT alignments are NOT revealed upon death.
A dayvig kill immediately kills the intended target. They are removed from the vote count for all intensive purposes. All votes for that person are void (although you wouldn't be modkilled if you didn't change to another live candidate) and therefore do not count for lynch. If a dayvig kills the leading candidate for lynch, then the person with the next highest amount of votes will be lynched.
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Meeple (3):
redtooth
AcrossFiveJulys
~OpZ~
Foolishness
ohN (2):
citi.zen
johnnyspazz
Radfield (1):
Chezinu
~OpZ~ (1):
Vivi57
johnnyspazz (6):
tree.hugger
RebirthOfLeGenD
LuDwig-
ohN
MooCow
meeple
RebirthOfLeGenD (0):
AcrossFiveJulys
flamewheel (1):
flamewheel
redtooth (2):
Radfield
AcrossFiveJulys
NonVoters (1): (In Danger of Being Modkilled)
L
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Player List:
1. flamewheel
2. ohN
3. tree.hugger
4. Vivi57
5. Radfield
6. Chezinu
7. citi.zen
8. Foolishness
9. redtooth
10. RebirthOfLeGend
11. meeple
12. ~OpZ~
13. L
14. johnnyspazz
15. LuDwig-
16. MooCow
17. AcrossFiveJulys
10 of 17 players remaining
? of ? Detectives remain
? of ? Trackers remain
? of ? Watchers remain
? of ? Medics remain
? of ? Vigilantes remain
? of ? Mad Hatters remain
? of ? Veterans remain
? of ? Millers remain
2 of 4 Mafia remain (this includes Godfather and/or Roleblocker)
? of ? Godfather remain
? of ? Roleblocker remain
? of ? Day Vigilantes remain
Mafia KP = 1
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On June 02 2010 13:57 Korynne wrote:
Reserving a thing just in case? xD
Acutally Yes because when I leave you'll need to edit stuff. And you're not allowed to edit my posts so this is good. ^^
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
I AM THE GODFATHER.
RESERVED FOR SOMETHING YEAHHHHH.
...Wait?
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Play two games simult? Sounds good to me >=D.
I AM THE DOUBLE LYNCH.
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^ Wait what really did flamewheel open up signups to both newcomers and older players??
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On June 02 2010 14:22 Incognito wrote:
^ Wait what really did flamewheel open up signups to both newcomers and older players??
Uhh. I might be one of few. I didn't know I'd be invited to this, and wanted to help him fill up his roster, so I offered, etc. I think LD is in there, AcrossFiveJulys, BrownBear to name a few names I've seen before. But I'm relatively new! I swear! ^^
Since it technically hasn't started, flamewheel, I don't mind being switched out if it's a problem? I know there was that guy who was late, God- something? Don't know how far into clues/profiling you are though.
If you're worried about activity, I don't think it's a big deal. It's summer for me =p, and any reasons for inactive periods will be there anyway (sleeping, going out, etc.)
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Darth, don't call me an older player because I played exactly 2 mafia games (caller and Ace's).
It looks I am to sit this out because I am in 2 games (well, one got fucked up and the other is starting soon).
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
I will play. This'll turn out better than BB Mafia, right?
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On June 02 2010 15:12 LunarDestiny wrote:
Darth, don't call me an older player because I played exactly 2 mafia games (caller and Ace's).
It looks I am to sit this out because I am in 2 games (well, one got fucked up and the other is starting soon).
I didn't call you old, I just said I've seen you in a game before ^^
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1. This game is not for "old" players or even "veteran" players. Its for players who have been proven to be active. So Lunar Destiny/BrownBear/DarthThienAn/Radfield qualify even if they've only played in 2-3 games.
2. I did not know that flamewheel was including some of the above mentioned players in his game. Issues have come up in the past when people have signed up for multiple games. I'm not going to ban people from playing both games, but I'm going to try to consult with BC/Qatol when they get online about what to do with this situation.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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I'll sign up, hopefully a more standard game will work out better for me.
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/out
Sorry, there are sudden changes in my schedule and I am not sure I will be active enough. You can give a spot to someone else if there is other account that wants one :p
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Also hmm.
I don't know.
Hey it's raining.
Oh god Chez.
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On June 03 2010 03:46 Korynne wrote:
For sures.
Yay! Also, having you as a moderator will bring back nice memories from PYP mafia.
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I don't get it. xD
It was just us sticking out to the end with Foolishness. =P (Hopefully he'll play too? xP)
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On June 03 2010 04:16 Korynne wrote:
I don't get it. xD
It was just us sticking out to the end with Foolishness. =P (Hopefully he'll play too? xP)
Yup. Good times.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 03 2010 04:16 Korynne wrote:
I don't get it. xD
It was just us sticking out to the end with Foolishness. =P (Hopefully he'll play too? xP)
Foolishness mafia.
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Hello, I would like to play
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I'll play or sit out, up to the hosts.
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On June 03 2010 03:56 flamewheel wrote:
Also hmm.
I don't know.
Hey it's raining.
Oh god Chez.
More like, Oh yes Chez.
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actually, i'll sit this one out. need to get this suspension over with.
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can i participate in this game?
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To join or not to join. That is the question!
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Thanks for the invite Incog! I want to play, but unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to. Even though it's summer, I feel like I've gotten even busier. Pewp.
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/out
=[. I can do it! but. As you wish.
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/out as well, I can't be in two games at once 
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Sure...Sign me up too incog.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
I just realized there was a Day Vigi :3
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 04 2010 06:59 flamewheel wrote:
I just realized there was a Day Vigi :3
maybe... not necessarily... But I lets hope so. It's just so entertaining.
I really hope I get Veteran, I promise to get some use out of it. Probably Night 1.... : )
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Yay Radfield's playing, NO ONE KILL HIM FIRST NIGHT PLZ PLZ. Dx
Edit: You will be modkilled if you kill Radfield first night as mafia!
Jk...or am I? :o
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On June 04 2010 07:40 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 06:59 flamewheel wrote:
I just realized there was a Day Vigi :3 maybe... not necessarily... But I lets hope so. It's just so entertaining. I really hope I get Veteran, I promise to get some use out of it. Probably Night 1.... : )
How bout I make you a Veteran and I give mafia aligned dayvig to someone who has a grudge against you?
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Noes, I quit my job if you cause Radfield to be killed night one. Dx
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On June 04 2010 11:44 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 07:40 Radfield wrote:On June 04 2010 06:59 flamewheel wrote:
I just realized there was a Day Vigi :3 maybe... not necessarily... But I lets hope so. It's just so entertaining. I really hope I get Veteran, I promise to get some use out of it. Probably Night 1.... : ) How bout I make you a Veteran and I give mafia aligned dayvig to someone who has a grudge against you?
Him dying is never about grudges, it's about respect. Also, you'd think by now watchers/medics/etc. would get a clue, eh?
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Lol except he was medic in Bang Bang. xD Was he allowed to protect himself? If not that post about like aww I'm probably going to die was probably like a plea for another medic to save him. =P
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On June 04 2010 11:44 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 07:40 Radfield wrote:On June 04 2010 06:59 flamewheel wrote:
I just realized there was a Day Vigi :3 maybe... not necessarily... But I lets hope so. It's just so entertaining. I really hope I get Veteran, I promise to get some use out of it. Probably Night 1.... : ) How bout I make you a Veteran and I give mafia aligned dayvig to someone who has a grudge against you?
or give mafia a night kill. stack kills, ezpz. lolol.
flame's playing in this game. I want to play with cute flame :[.
=[=[=[
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Ace's playing? Auto-in to get him killed day 1-2.
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On June 04 2010 07:40 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 06:59 flamewheel wrote:
I just realized there was a Day Vigi :3 maybe... not necessarily... But I lets hope so. It's just so entertaining. I really hope I get Veteran, I promise to get some use out of it. Probably Night 1.... : )
Radfield, don't worry man. You probably won't die the first night because:
1)I am not in this game.
2)I am not mafia in this game.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 04 2010 12:28 Korynne wrote:
Lol except he was medic in Bang Bang. xD Was he allowed to protect himself? If not that post about like aww I'm probably going to die was probably like a plea for another medic to save him. =P
I was just trying to get the mafia to stay away by having them think I would get protected. Worked real well...
Also, It's not possible to give a dayvig role to someone with a grudge against me. I don't live long enough to form grudges 
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Dude not gunna lie, I killed Radfield first night as mafia.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 04 2010 20:46 Korynne wrote:
Dude not gunna lie, I killed Radfield first night as mafia.
Oh I know it 
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On June 04 2010 11:44 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 07:40 Radfield wrote:On June 04 2010 06:59 flamewheel wrote:
I just realized there was a Day Vigi :3 maybe... not necessarily... But I lets hope so. It's just so entertaining. I really hope I get Veteran, I promise to get some use out of it. Probably Night 1.... : ) How bout I make you a Veteran and I give mafia aligned dayvig to someone who has a grudge against you?
Very nice...We must keep the tradition alive. Lol.
If Radfield lives past night one, he must be lynched. He is clearly mafia if this occurs.
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Everyone has a decent chance to live early on, it's a strong cast thus far.
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On June 04 2010 22:48 citi.zen wrote:
Everyone but Radfield has a decent chance to live early on, it's a strong cast thus far.
fixed
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can i join even though i'm in flame's game
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wow i totally should've read the invite-only part.
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Sorry I am trolling this thread again.
I want to ask is Radfield THAT good of a player that he is always the #1 target for the mafia. I search a little in the forum, but can't seem to find a game with his late game plays.
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Imo he expose himself too much at beginning..and..
a tradition is a tradition..we can't break it
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 03 2010 04:50 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 04:16 Korynne wrote:
I don't get it. xD
It was just us sticking out to the end with Foolishness. =P (Hopefully he'll play too? xP) Foolishness mafia.
I'm rockin' the mafia role the past 4 out of 5 games I've played! Let's make that 5 out of 6 shall we?
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On June 05 2010 03:00 LunarDestiny wrote:
Sorry I am trolling this thread again.
I want to ask is Radfield THAT good of a player that he is always the #1 target for the mafia. I search a little in the forum, but can't seem to find a game with his late game plays.
It all depends on the crowd. This time many vets are playing, so I don't know. On the other hand, if the expectation is that Ace and L will bicker and kill each other anyway, Radfield's looks like a better mafia target.
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huh? I've never even killed L in any games we've played. It's always him trying to kill me.
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On June 05 2010 07:05 Ace wrote:
huh? I've never even killed L in any games we've played. It's always him trying to kill me.
But getting you killed is so much fun! It's obvious why he always does it.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 05 2010 03:00 LunarDestiny wrote:
Sorry I am trolling this thread again.
I want to ask is Radfield THAT good of a player that he is always the #1 target for the mafia. I search a little in the forum, but can't seem to find a game with his late game plays.
What's late game??
I've played a grand total of 5 mafia games, and been killed on the first night 3 times. Why? Because I'm very active, and I like to think I make decently sound arguments. I'm also NOT a vet, and so am not a particularly strong candidate for medic protection. I'm hoping that may change....
I should have my own flow chart on how to tell if I'm mafia: Are there mafia in the game? Yes. ------> Did he die night one? No. -----> Mafia/SK
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 04 2010 12:39 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 11:44 Incognito wrote:On June 04 2010 07:40 Radfield wrote:On June 04 2010 06:59 flamewheel wrote:
I just realized there was a Day Vigi :3 maybe... not necessarily... But I lets hope so. It's just so entertaining. I really hope I get Veteran, I promise to get some use out of it. Probably Night 1.... : ) How bout I make you a Veteran and I give mafia aligned dayvig to someone who has a grudge against you? or give mafia a night kill. stack kills, ezpz. lolol. flame's playing in this game. I want to play with cute flame :[. =[=[=[
>.>
I can't say that I'm a good player. That would be a lie and we don't lie in this sub-forum!
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On June 05 2010 07:08 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2010 07:05 Ace wrote:
huh? I've never even killed L in any games we've played. It's always him trying to kill me. But getting you killed is so much fun! It's obvious why he always does it.
EXACTLY.
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On June 05 2010 08:58 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 12:39 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 04 2010 11:44 Incognito wrote:On June 04 2010 07:40 Radfield wrote:On June 04 2010 06:59 flamewheel wrote:
I just realized there was a Day Vigi :3 maybe... not necessarily... But I lets hope so. It's just so entertaining. I really hope I get Veteran, I promise to get some use out of it. Probably Night 1.... : ) How bout I make you a Veteran and I give mafia aligned dayvig to someone who has a grudge against you? or give mafia a night kill. stack kills, ezpz. lolol. flame's playing in this game. I want to play with cute flame :[. =[=[=[ >.> I can't say that I'm a good player. That would be a lie and we don't lie in this sub-forum!
It doesn't matter cuz ur so cute :3.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 05 2010 09:03 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2010 08:58 flamewheel wrote:On June 04 2010 12:39 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 04 2010 11:44 Incognito wrote:On June 04 2010 07:40 Radfield wrote:On June 04 2010 06:59 flamewheel wrote:
I just realized there was a Day Vigi :3 maybe... not necessarily... But I lets hope so. It's just so entertaining. I really hope I get Veteran, I promise to get some use out of it. Probably Night 1.... : ) How bout I make you a Veteran and I give mafia aligned dayvig to someone who has a grudge against you? or give mafia a night kill. stack kills, ezpz. lolol. flame's playing in this game. I want to play with cute flame :[. =[=[=[ >.> I can't say that I'm a good player. That would be a lie and we don't lie in this sub-forum! It doesn't matter cuz ur so cute :3.
That may be true...
Or it may not be...
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So.. What are we waiting for to start? How many more invite confirmations/players needed?
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20 players.
He could just wait for flamewheel's game to finish so that LD, BB, and I can all join >=D
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
c'mon guys, sign up!
Or is an invitation still required?
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Just wait for 12 more hours. I have a strong feeling I am dying in the other game soon.
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I just realized how busy I'm going to be in the next month, so I would like to unsign up. Its not fun having an afk player o:
Sorry D:
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On June 06 2010 06:09 Iaaan wrote:
I just realized how busy I'm going to be in the next month, so I would like to unsign up. Its not fun having an afk player o:
Sorry D:
As I was told when I did this, Thank you for not going afk mid game. =D
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Awesome.
I've... graduated.
Should have more time now.
I think.
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On June 06 2010 10:46 flamewheel wrote:
Awesome.
I've... graduated.
Should have more time now.
I think.
Congrats!
And, no :-)
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
If the start of this game can get delayed a few more days I'll play =P
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if you all need players, i will consider not using this for my ban
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On June 06 2010 09:24 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2010 06:09 Iaaan wrote:
I just realized how busy I'm going to be in the next month, so I would like to unsign up. Its not fun having an afk player o:
Sorry D: As I was told when I did this, Thank you for not going afk mid game. =D
I agree with this sentiment 100%. Inactives are such a pain.
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On June 06 2010 06:09 Iaaan wrote:
I just realized how busy I'm going to be in the next month, so I would like to unsign up. Its not fun having an afk player o:
Sorry D:
Sorry to hear this, but thanks for letting us know!
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I might have plenty of time about one week later, but it's pretty uncertain so don't wait for me or anything if someone else wants the spot.
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So we cant be in two games at once? Or is it just the invite only blocking my mateys from the other game.
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^You can only play in one game at once not play in my game if you are currently playing in another game.
Anyway, I'm going to wait one more day till signups close. The game will start on Wednesday.
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why can people only play in one game at once? This isn't a new rule is it?
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I think it's an Incog thing. xP I don't have issues.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 08 2010 12:34 Incognito wrote:
^You can only play in one game at once.
Anyway, I'm going to wait one more day till signups close. The game will start on Wednesday.
Wait what with only 15?
Dead players from my game can play right?
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On June 04 2010 13:46 L wrote:
Ace's playing? Auto-in to get him killed day 1-2. honestly, i like trying to kill you more than trying to kill Ace. targeting him's boring now since he just adopts the "cool, you'll see when it's over" mentality. don't know who this radfield guy is though.
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On June 08 2010 12:47 Ace wrote:
why can people only play in one game at once? This isn't a new rule is it?
Not a new rule, but a) it contributes to lower activity, and b) can cause for some major slipups, confusing yourself between two games. I'm not saying it would definitely happen, but I'd like to be safe.
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On June 08 2010 13:17 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2010 12:34 Incognito wrote:
^You can only play in one game at once.
Anyway, I'm going to wait one more day till signups close. The game will start on Wednesday. Wait what with only 15? Dead players from my game can play right?
If they want to, then yes.
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On June 08 2010 14:45 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2010 12:47 Ace wrote:
why can people only play in one game at once? This isn't a new rule is it? Not a new rule, but a) it contributes to lower activity, and b) can cause for some major slipups, confusing yourself between two games. I'm not saying it would definitely happen, but I'd like to be safe.
What if I promise to be active? :D
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Thanks for the heads up.
I'll join if you guys still have a spot.
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On June 08 2010 19:50 MooCow wrote:
Thanks for the heads up.
I'll join if you guys still have a spot.
The dead shall be avenged!
And reborn in another game. lol.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
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On June 08 2010 16:23 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2010 14:45 Incognito wrote:On June 08 2010 12:47 Ace wrote:
why can people only play in one game at once? This isn't a new rule is it? Not a new rule, but a) it contributes to lower activity, and b) can cause for some major slipups, confusing yourself between two games. I'm not saying it would definitely happen, but I'd like to be safe. What if I promise to be active? :D
As much as I'd like to have you play (need more players!) I'm going to have to say no unless you die in the other game before this game starts.
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Sign me up for this. I can be pretty active this game since it's summer. :D
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Sign me up! I just died in the other game.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Incognitooooooooooooo!
I got you another one :3
(Love me)
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On June 09 2010 08:14 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2010 16:23 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 08 2010 14:45 Incognito wrote:On June 08 2010 12:47 Ace wrote:
why can people only play in one game at once? This isn't a new rule is it? Not a new rule, but a) it contributes to lower activity, and b) can cause for some major slipups, confusing yourself between two games. I'm not saying it would definitely happen, but I'd like to be safe. What if I promise to be active? :D As much as I'd like to have you play (need more players!) I'm going to have to say no unless you die in the other game before this game starts.
Could there be a waiting list of players in the other game (like, they can swap in after they die for someone who would be modkilled otherwise?)
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On June 09 2010 12:08 flamewheel wrote:
Incognitooooooooooooo!
I got you another one :3
(Love me)
hey you asshole you better not have told mafia to kill me ! :D
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 09 2010 12:12 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2010 12:08 flamewheel wrote:
Incognitooooooooooooo!
I got you another one :3
(Love me) hey you asshole you better not have told mafia to kill me ! :D
That would go against some vaguely defined ethical code :3
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On June 09 2010 12:10 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2010 08:14 Incognito wrote:On June 08 2010 16:23 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 08 2010 14:45 Incognito wrote:On June 08 2010 12:47 Ace wrote:
why can people only play in one game at once? This isn't a new rule is it? Not a new rule, but a) it contributes to lower activity, and b) can cause for some major slipups, confusing yourself between two games. I'm not saying it would definitely happen, but I'd like to be safe. What if I promise to be active? :D As much as I'd like to have you play (need more players!) I'm going to have to say no unless you die in the other game before this game starts. Could there be a waiting list of players in the other game (like, they can swap in after they die for someone who would be modkilled otherwise?)
Yes. But you have to be dead in the other game to be a replacement for this game.
Anyway signups closed. Role PMs going out tomorrow, game starts tomorrow night.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
:3
I propose that Incognito keep a cute counter in this game as well!
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
So just to be clear, PMing is allowed in this game yeah?
Edit: Can we also get an explanation of all the Detective/Medic variants and such?
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On June 09 2010 12:21 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2010 12:10 BrownBear wrote:On June 09 2010 08:14 Incognito wrote:On June 08 2010 16:23 DarthThienAn wrote:On June 08 2010 14:45 Incognito wrote:On June 08 2010 12:47 Ace wrote:
why can people only play in one game at once? This isn't a new rule is it? Not a new rule, but a) it contributes to lower activity, and b) can cause for some major slipups, confusing yourself between two games. I'm not saying it would definitely happen, but I'd like to be safe. What if I promise to be active? :D As much as I'd like to have you play (need more players!) I'm going to have to say no unless you die in the other game before this game starts. Could there be a waiting list of players in the other game (like, they can swap in after they die for someone who would be modkilled otherwise?) Yes. But you have to be dead in the other game to be a replacement for this game. Anyway signups closed. Role PMs going out tomorrow, game starts tomorrow night.
Alright, if i get brutally murdered, I will get on that waitlist
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 09 2010 12:44 Foolishness wrote:
So just to be clear, PMing is allowed in this game yeah?
Edit: Can we also get an explanation of all the Detective/Medic variants and such?
Normal: Saves as usual. Everybody's favourite paramedic.
Weak: Dies if he/she protects anti-town player.
Paranoid: Protects and roleblocks target.
Naive: Protection is ineffective.
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On June 09 2010 12:44 Foolishness wrote:
So just to be clear, PMing is allowed in this game yeah?
Edit: Can we also get an explanation of all the Detective/Medic variants and such?
PMing is allowed this game.
Sane DT - is like a regular alignment cop.
Insane DT - alignment cop that gets flipped results
Paranoid DT - Always receives Mafia from checks
Naive DT - Always receives Town from checks
Medic variants removed.
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oh shit didn't realize. I'll sit this one out.
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On June 09 2010 13:29 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2010 12:44 Foolishness wrote:
So just to be clear, PMing is allowed in this game yeah?
Edit: Can we also get an explanation of all the Detective/Medic variants and such? PMing is allowed this game. Sane DT - is like a regular alignment cop. Insane DT - alignment cop that gets flipped results Paranoid DT - Always receives Mafia from checks Naive DT - Always receives Town from checks Medic variants removed.
What's the probability of being each?
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On June 09 2010 13:58 Ace wrote:
oh shit didn't realize. I'll sit this one out.
? Whats wrong?
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On June 09 2010 14:11 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2010 13:29 Incognito wrote:On June 09 2010 12:44 Foolishness wrote:
So just to be clear, PMing is allowed in this game yeah?
Edit: Can we also get an explanation of all the Detective/Medic variants and such? PMing is allowed this game. Sane DT - is like a regular alignment cop. Insane DT - alignment cop that gets flipped results Paranoid DT - Always receives Mafia from checks Naive DT - Always receives Town from checks Medic variants removed. What's the probability of being each?
The probability is unknown.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
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Uh, incog did you miss my post?
On June 09 2010 08:24 ohN wrote:
Sign me up for this. I can be pretty active this game since it's summer. :D
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Silly incog, well Ace is gone, maybe he made it a 17 player game.
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On June 09 2010 17:38 ohN wrote:Uh, incog did you miss my post? Show nested quote +On June 09 2010 08:24 ohN wrote:
Sign me up for this. I can be pretty active this game since it's summer. :D
Added. Role PMs going out soon.
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confirming that i got my role.
now that we can't lynch Ace, might as well go for L.
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Sweet... lets get this show on the road
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OP updated to reflect changes:
There is no Double Lynch in this game.
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On June 10 2010 06:48 meeple wrote:
Sweet... lets get this show on the road wow why so excited? if you were townie you wouldn't be so enthusiastic.
lynch this mafia nub scum.
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Sup bitches! MooCow hope you're not bitter <3
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Whoops I'm so confused.
Also darn.
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On June 10 2010 06:50 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Sup bitches! MooCow hope you're not bitter <3
Haha i'm not.
Looking at the above posts so far I hope this game has lots of lols.
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You know, I think there are mafia members in this game.
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You should vote to lynch yourself and then later we'll get a bandwagon on someone else in the last few minutes before the lynch!
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I got my role.
This game should be interesting~
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I like that idea, maybe it could be you again!
+ Show Spoiler +I thought you weren't bitter sir xD
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On June 10 2010 06:58 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
You know, I think there are mafia members in this game.
+1
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I'm not!
I was trying to be funny. I laughed at the thought of it. ^^~
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On June 10 2010 06:49 redtooth wrote:wow why so excited? if you were townie you wouldn't be so enthusiastic. lynch this mafia nub scum.
lol pointing fingers already... Why so eager to mislynch?
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
OK, lets talk balance for a sec.
With 4 mafia vs 13 town aligned, and given that the mafia might have both a roleblocker and godfather, I would guess that we have a decent number of blue roles in the game. My guess at the moment would be at least 5 blue roles, plus possibly a town aligned day vig?
I'm thinking 1 cop, 1 medic, 1 watcher/tracker, 1 vet and 1 vig/mad hatter. Also likely 1 Miller and the Day Vig. That leaves 6 townies(7 with the miller).
Does this seems likely to other people? Thoughts?
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 10 2010 07:14 Radfield wrote:
OK, lets talk balance for a sec.
With 4 mafia vs 13 town aligned, and given that the mafia might have both a roleblocker and godfather, I would guess that we have a decent number of blue roles in the game. My guess at the moment would be at least 5 blue roles, plus possibly a town aligned day vig?
I'm thinking 1 cop, 1 medic, 1 watcher/tracker, 1 vet and 1 vig/mad hatter. Also likely 1 Miller and the Day Vig. That leaves 6 townies(7 with the miller).
Does this seems likely to other people? Thoughts?
I'm putting out my thoughts on balance. Will compare in a second.
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On June 10 2010 07:14 Radfield wrote:
OK, lets talk balance for a sec.
With 4 mafia vs 13 town aligned, and given that the mafia might have both a roleblocker and godfather, I would guess that we have a decent number of blue roles in the game. My guess at the moment would be at least 5 blue roles, plus possibly a town aligned day vig?
I'm thinking 1 cop, 1 medic, 1 watcher/tracker, 1 vet and 1 vig/mad hatter. Also likely 1 Miller and the Day Vig. That leaves 6 townies(7 with the miller).
Does this seems likely to other people? Thoughts?
It seems reasonable but I dunno how likely. I wouldn't put it past Incog to put in a role that doesn't get used.
At least for now I don't think we can hope that there is more than 5 blue roles... and we can assume tentatively that Incog didn't put in a role that doesn't get used. Thus I think its reasonable to assume thats the layout.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Hmm...
Semi-open setups are tricky, since we know what roles there can be but not the number. However, since there is a given number of mafia we should be able to roughly estimate what kind of blue powers (and/or extraneous mafia powers) there are in the game.
17 people and four mafia, so the mafia comprise 23.5% of the town's population. Normally in Incognito's games, the mafia comprise a flat 20% of the total population and blue roles are adjusted based on that, and given the fact that there are more varied roles than in these more 'standard' games, I'd assume we'd have some of those. Let's see...
Incognito likes Mad Hatters. I can't remember if that is his or Qatol's (perhaps both?) favourite role, but most likely there will be one Hatter.
Obviously, it'd be ludicrous to say that there isn't a medic, though the question is whether or not there's one medic or two. I'm split between the numbers, since either could work... A self-saving medic is way more powerful, and that would mean there would probably only be one medic. However, Incognito has ninja'ed in the fact that medics cannot save themselves, so two medics is probable.
Between the Watcher/Stalker and DT there's more likely to be a DT. Watchers and Stalkers are cute roles, and I'd count them as half a blue role. There'll probably be one of either.
There is a Veteran, most likely. Since it is a passive blue role, I'd count it as a half.
Because you can't have too many blue roles without balancing Mafia powers as well...
There will probably be a Mafia-aligned Day vigilante, and perhaps a town-aligned one. If there are two medics (or two of anything) I'd find it more likely that there'd be a roleblocker. Probably to throw off the DT, there will be one, at most but probably not, two Millers.
Of course, this is all conjectural based on how I would potentially balance a game.
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On June 10 2010 07:20 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 07:14 Radfield wrote:
OK, lets talk balance for a sec.
With 4 mafia vs 13 town aligned, and given that the mafia might have both a roleblocker and godfather, I would guess that we have a decent number of blue roles in the game. My guess at the moment would be at least 5 blue roles, plus possibly a town aligned day vig?
I'm thinking 1 cop, 1 medic, 1 watcher/tracker, 1 vet and 1 vig/mad hatter. Also likely 1 Miller and the Day Vig. That leaves 6 townies(7 with the miller).
Does this seems likely to other people? Thoughts? It seems reasonable but I dunno how likely. I wouldn't put it past Incog to put in a role that doesn't get used. At least for now I don't think we can hope that there is more than 5 blue roles... and we can assume tentatively that Incog didn't put in a role that doesn't get used. Thus I think its reasonable to assume thats the layout.
Hmm... now that I think more about it... since the watcher/tracker role is somewhat less powerful, its more likely we have another medic or detective thrown into the mix. Or perhaps an extra mad hatter, since flamewheel seems to think that Incog loves these guys.
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My Cute & Uncute list:
+ Show Spoiler +
1. flamewheel
2. ohN
3. tree.hugger
4. Vivi57
5. Radfield
6. Chezinu
7. citi.zen
8. Foolishness
9. redtooth
10. RebirthOfLeGend
11. meeple
12. ~OpZ~
13. L
14. johnnyspazz
15. LuDwig-
16. MooCow
17. AcrossFiveJulys
+ Show Spoiler +
Disclaimer: I'm just messing around, this has nothing to do with the actual game ^^
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lol... why am I not surprised that flamewheel is listed under "cute"
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On June 10 2010 07:39 meeple wrote:
lol... why am I not surprised that flamewheel is listed under "cute"
It is the law =o. There could be no other option.
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Chezinu is clearly brown, Darth.
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Day 1
It was a sunny afternoon, and Qatol stepped outside of the Town Hall, putting on his black coat and hat.
Looking at his watch, Qatol quickly made his way over to the courthouse, where a bunch of men stood waiting. Quickly greeting the guards, he took a briefcase from one of the men, and motioned to another four men, who quickly followed him, carrying a large coffin between them. Entering the courthouse, a few more guards attempted to block him, but were quickly repulsed by the smell of rotting flesh emanating from the coffin.
Suddenly, Qatol burst into the Courtroom, stunning the Judge and even a few of the lawyers. Staring down Incognito on the witness stand, Qatol stepped aside to allow the four men to enter. They quickly proceeded toward the front of the courtroom, and opened the coffin, revealing the body of the already deceased Korynne. The audience gasped and covered their noses as the stench spread like a blanket throughout the courtroom. Suddenly, Qatol pulled out a cane and motioned toward the body. Lying there, was a large piece of black cloth. As Ver twitched nervously, he began to slouch further into his chair. But it was too late. Incognito had already noticed the tear in Ver's clothing that struck a deep resemblance to the cloth lying in the coffin.
As Qatol began to explain his evidence to the judge, Ver lost all hope of escape and pulled out a gun from underneath the table. Bang! Ver suddenly stopped and gulped for air, shocked at the sight of a 3 inch hole in his right lung. Unconcerned, he swiftly fired two rounds into Qatol's back. As Qatol the Lawyer, slumped to the ground, chaos broke out through the courthouse. Amid the Judge's call for order, another gunshot fired off, as Incognito the Day Vigilante, blasted another 3 inch shot at Ver, this time hitting him square in the face and killing him instantly. Pleased with his day's work, Incognito stood up to get off of the witness stand and was about to exit the back door of the courthouse when another bullet whizzed through the sky, nailing him straight between the eyes.
Korynne the Mayor is now dead.
Qatol the Lawyer is now dead.
Incognito the town-aligned Day Vigilante is now dead.
Ver the Mafia-Roleblocker is now dead.
***
The game has begun. Day 1 voting for lynch starts now and will end on Friday at at 9:00PM EST. Please vote in the thread located here.
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On June 10 2010 07:12 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 06:49 redtooth wrote:On June 10 2010 06:48 meeple wrote:
Sweet... lets get this show on the road wow why so excited? if you were townie you wouldn't be so enthusiastic. lynch this mafia nub scum. lol pointing fingers already... Why so eager to mislynch? getting defensive pretty quickly. you are definitely scum. what a nub, revealing yourself already. l2p.
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Lets see how long it takes Qatol to find my Day Post and yell at me for being blue
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Rofl Qatol is blue.
I say a few hours, Incognito.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
I'll be back in a few hours, going to do some eating and studying.
Also I'll just throw it out there that I'm all for lynching an inactive at the end of this 48-hour day, since it's very unlikely that a mafia member will slip up. Way more often (and by way more often I mean every case I've seen) a bandwagoned first lynch is just a townie that made a mistake and the mafia jumped him.
Also if an inactive dies by first lynch, I request him to be struck by lightning Incognito.
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This should be fun.
Also, is lynching an inactive really best? We've done that since forever and people are so used to the strategy that I don't think it'll give us as much in the way of vote lists and voting patterns to analyze.
I say that we make everyone talk then analyze behavior and if someone appears scummy, we shouldn't insta go for the inactive.
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On June 10 2010 08:14 Vivi57 wrote:
This should be fun.
Also, is lynching an inactive really best? We've done that since forever and people are so used to the strategy that I don't think it'll give us as much in the way of vote lists and voting patterns to analyze.
I say that we make everyone talk then analyze behavior and if someone appears scummy, we shouldn't insta go for the inactive.
That sounds fine but how do you propose we "make" everyone talk. Usually the plan for lynching an inactive on the first day stems from the strategy of making people talk.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Bad timing for me, I'm just about to head out for the night. We'll see when I get back.
I'm always for lynching L, of course, but all-in-all, an inactive would be the more palatable pick.
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On June 10 2010 08:17 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 08:14 Vivi57 wrote:
This should be fun.
Also, is lynching an inactive really best? We've done that since forever and people are so used to the strategy that I don't think it'll give us as much in the way of vote lists and voting patterns to analyze.
I say that we make everyone talk then analyze behavior and if someone appears scummy, we shouldn't insta go for the inactive. That sounds fine but how do you propose we "make" everyone talk. Usually the plan for lynching an inactive on the first day stems from the strategy of making people talk.
Ideal situation for mafia would be one where the entire town is inactive. They just slowly wittle away at the town and the only way they can die is due to bad luck.
Since there's no clues we can only go by what people post and as such those who don't post at all are immediately suspicious.
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On June 10 2010 07:44 crate wrote:
Chezinu is clearly brown, Darth.
I totally forgot
nice pic inc. looks familar =p.
I wanna play! =[
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On June 10 2010 08:14 Vivi57 wrote:
This should be fun.
Also, is lynching an inactive really best? We've done that since forever and people are so used to the strategy that I don't think it'll give us as much in the way of vote lists and voting patterns to analyze.
I say that we make everyone talk then analyze behavior and if someone appears scummy, we shouldn't insta go for the inactive.
Lynching inactive people does this, it forces people to talk unless they want to be lynched.
If someone appears to be scummy then of course we should lynch them but how do we get people to appear to be scummy? By forcing them to talk. How do we get people to talk? By lynching the people that don't talk/are inactive.
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How am I supposed to accomplish my pre-game goal of killing Ace if Ace quit?
I'ma accept the moral victory for scaring him :3.
(also, ace-kins, amazon is selling pre-orders for GW2 and I expect you there).
So yeah, lets read some rules and think up STRATEGIES, brb.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 10 2010 08:14 Vivi57 wrote:
This should be fun.
Also, is lynching an inactive really best? We've done that since forever and people are so used to the strategy that I don't think it'll give us as much in the way of vote lists and voting patterns to analyze.
I say that we make everyone talk then analyze behavior and if someone appears scummy, we shouldn't insta go for the inactive.
I think I agree with this. Usually I'm a champion of inactive lynching, but theoretically in this set up there should not be anyone blatantly inactive. I mean, the invites were sent out solely based on activity. If we're having a problem with activity, by all means, but for now lets try to analyze.
Face the facts, mafia who try to coast by are lame, mafia who play hardcore are sweet. Like Incognito in Mafia XXII; that was well done.
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What? Why does my only appearance all game have to smell bad? That's lame. xD
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On June 10 2010 09:45 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 08:14 Vivi57 wrote:
This should be fun.
Also, is lynching an inactive really best? We've done that since forever and people are so used to the strategy that I don't think it'll give us as much in the way of vote lists and voting patterns to analyze.
I say that we make everyone talk then analyze behavior and if someone appears scummy, we shouldn't insta go for the inactive. I think I agree with this. Usually I'm a champion of inactive lynching, but theoretically in this set up there should not be anyone blatantly inactive. I mean, the invites were sent out solely based on activity. If we're having a problem with activity, by all means, but for now lets try to analyze. Face the facts, mafia who try to coast by are lame, mafia who play hardcore are sweet. Like Incognito in Mafia XXII; that was well done.
Despite what I said earlier about being skeptical that people could be forced out of inactivity... we might be hard pressed to find a true inactive. In the short time that this game has been open, there's only 6 people that haven't posted.
6. Chezinu
7. citi.zen
8. Foolishness
10. RebirthOfLeGend
14. johnnyspazz
15. LuDwig-
And of these, I expect that they will show up soon.
If it continues like this, and we get tons of active people and lots of posts to analyze then it might very well be more advantageous to skip the inactive lynch.
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On June 10 2010 07:20 flamewheel wrote:
Hmm...
Semi-open setups are tricky, since we know what roles there can be but not the number. However, since there is a given number of mafia we should be able to roughly estimate what kind of blue powers (and/or extraneous mafia powers) there are in the game.
17 people and four mafia, so the mafia comprise 23.5% of the town's population. Normally in Incognito's games, the mafia comprise a flat 20% of the total population and blue roles are adjusted based on that, and given the fact that there are more varied roles than in these more 'standard' games, I'd assume we'd have some of those. Let's see...
Incognito likes Mad Hatters. I can't remember if that is his or Qatol's (perhaps both?) favourite role, but most likely there will be one Hatter.
Obviously, it'd be ludicrous to say that there isn't a medic, though the question is whether or not there's one medic or two. I'm split between the numbers, since either could work... A self-saving medic is way more powerful, and that would mean there would probably only be one medic. However, Incognito has ninja'ed in the fact that medics cannot save themselves, so two medics is probable.
Between the Watcher/Stalker and DT there's more likely to be a DT. Watchers and Stalkers are cute roles, and I'd count them as half a blue role. There'll probably be one of either.
There is a Veteran, most likely. Since it is a passive blue role, I'd count it as a half.
Because you can't have too many blue roles without balancing Mafia powers as well...
There will probably be a Mafia-aligned Day vigilante, and perhaps a town-aligned one. If there are two medics (or two of anything) I'd find it more likely that there'd be a roleblocker. Probably to throw off the DT, there will be one, at most but probably not, two Millers.
Of course, this is all conjectural based on how I would potentially balance a game.
Well, as far as I can see it, there's two possibilities. We probably have a single day-vig in the game based on how the role was described; Its put apart in a black format and given that the role counts are useless, I'd have expected a red/blue name instead.
If there is just one Dvig, then there's 3 possibilities:
1) Real SK type with alternate win goals. Highly unlikely given a single day shot.
2) Town controlled day vig, maybe 4 blues total besides the Dvig, medic, dt, watcher, vet/hatter.
3) Mafia controlled Dvig.
- If there's a roleblocker there are probably 7 blues. 1 of each type most likely.
- If there isn't, I'd guess 5-6.
Double medics in a 1 kp setup is absolutely ridiculous, have both claim early and have the watcher check them. You will have a 50% chance at finding the roleblocker. If a vet or hatter lied and stepped up to get blown up, even more ridiculously powerful. Gives DT and watchers 3 free checks. Given that if double medics are in play, I'd count them as 3 blues for the above totals.
So how do we abuse this information? Well, its simple, pimple. We can do this 2 ways.
1) Mass roleclaim asap because mafia need to spend 7 days shredding our blue totals. Unlike the prior game with 0 minute long days and 3 total kp/day (of which, the town kp was only marginally controlled), we now have full days and 2 kp total, which means this game will go until day 6 at the minimum. Medics obviously lie and vet/hatter claim DT/Watcher respectively so that mafia are 50% screened in their attempt at hitting any of our info roles. That way its pretty impossible to hit into our blues safely.
2) RANDOM BULLSHIT.
Given that 1) is a better plan, we'll probably end up having haters bring the hate because my name is a letter long and go with 2) under fears that a nearly impossible to lose game will crumble under the weight of "L is too dangerous to listen to". Your call.
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On June 10 2010 09:49 Korynne wrote:
What? Why does my only appearance all game have to smell bad? That's lame. xD
lol... well I'm sure it has nothing to do with your snide remarks about guys not having enough blood to use both of our heads 
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
L, correct me if I'm wrong but it says you are aligned with either Town or Mafia, not a third party.
Oh, just realized that Mafia KP was one (forgot about this, automatically assumed #/2 rounded up).
Which means yeah, only one medic.
I'm for roleclaiming since it's lulz.
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I'm for roleclaiming to but uh, who wants to start? lol
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 10 2010 09:55 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 09:45 Radfield wrote:On June 10 2010 08:14 Vivi57 wrote:
This should be fun.
Also, is lynching an inactive really best? We've done that since forever and people are so used to the strategy that I don't think it'll give us as much in the way of vote lists and voting patterns to analyze.
I say that we make everyone talk then analyze behavior and if someone appears scummy, we shouldn't insta go for the inactive. I think I agree with this. Usually I'm a champion of inactive lynching, but theoretically in this set up there should not be anyone blatantly inactive. I mean, the invites were sent out solely based on activity. If we're having a problem with activity, by all means, but for now lets try to analyze. Face the facts, mafia who try to coast by are lame, mafia who play hardcore are sweet. Like Incognito in Mafia XXII; that was well done. Despite what I said earlier about being skeptical that people could be forced out of inactivity... we might be hard pressed to find a true inactive. In the short time that this game has been open, there's only 6 people that haven't posted. 6. Chezinu 7. citi.zen 8. Foolishness 10. RebirthOfLeGend 14. johnnyspazz 15. LuDwig- And of these, I expect that they will show up soon. If it continues like this, and we get tons of active people and lots of posts to analyze then it might very well be more advantageous to skip the inactive lynch.
Being inactive doesn't just quantify people who don't post. There are people who will post nothing or go on generalities, and thus can still be considered non-contributers. Also if there are a ton of posts, a townsperson is just as likely (maybe more so) to slip up than a mafia member, though we'll see. Game's technically only 37 minutes old.
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It started already? Guess I have to order popcorn for this one. 
DO NOT KILL RADFIELD.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 10 2010 07:20 flamewheel wrote:
Between the Watcher/Stalker and DT there's more likely to be a DT. Watchers and Stalkers are cute roles, and I'd count them as half a blue role. There'll probably be one of either.
On June 10 2010 07:27 meeple wrote:
Hmm... now that I think more about it... since the watcher/tracker role is somewhat less powerful, its more likely we have another medic or detective thrown into the mix.
NOBODY CARES!
Seriously though, did either of you even bother to think this through? Seems to me it's like, "lulz watz this weird role? no wai it can be good as DT otherwise we'd use it more AM I RIGHT?!?"
Power to the DT!
On June 10 2010 10:06 L wrote:
Given that 1) is a better plan, we'll probably end up having haters bring the hate because my name is a letter long and go with 2) under fears that a nearly impossible to lose game will crumble under the weight of "L is too dangerous to listen to". Your call.
I'll totally go for this. Thanks for saving me the time of having to write that out
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Haters gonna hate.
I understand.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Well then, I like this plan. Let's put it into action.
On June 10 2010 10:36 ohN wrote:
I'm for roleclaiming to but uh, who wants to start? lol
Me.
Tracker.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 10 2010 11:33 Foolishness wrote:
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Seriously though, did either of you even bother to think this through? Seems to me it's like, "lulz watz this weird role? no wai it can be good as DT otherwise we'd use it more AM I RIGHT?!?"
Sure did! When did I say it was not as good as the DT?
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Townie.
I have no powerz.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 10 2010 11:58 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 11:33 Foolishness wrote:
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Seriously though, did either of you even bother to think this through? Seems to me it's like, "lulz watz this weird role? no wai it can be good as DT otherwise we'd use it more AM I RIGHT?!?" Sure did! When did I say it was not as good as the DT?
You said they were half a blue role remember? Or are DT's now half a blue role as well? Or maybe they are only a quarter? Does that mean medics are still a full blue role? Perhaps they are worth two thirds instead. A mad hatter must be a full blue role right? Incog sure loves mad hatters so there's probably one of those. Do I sound like Chezinu to you? I really didn't mean to start writing like him but things just kinda came out on their own. I guess the influence is rubbing off on me. Is it wrong for me to be slightly bothered that Darth listed me as one of the "cute" people?
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I am fine with the mass role-claiming suggestion. There are 4 vanilla townies here + miller so the mafia would not have a very easy time hiding among them. Claiming a blue role is very tricky for the reds since the rightful owner will know it.
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I'm a cutie
=[. Guess I'll stop.
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On June 10 2010 13:07 citi.zen wrote:
I am fine with the mass role-claiming suggestion. There are 4 vanilla townies here + miller so the mafia would not have a very easy time hiding among them. Claiming a blue role is very tricky for the reds since the rightful owner will know it.
Never mind, had not read this part:
There is a possibility that not all roles listed here will be used in the game.
I need to think about this more... it's not the no-brainer I initially thought it was. If there is a non-assigned blue role it would be perfect for the mafia to try to claim it late. And there would be more townies to "hide" the other mafia.
+ Show Spoiler +I'll be honest: I don't have a lot of time. I am nominally on vacation, but in reality at home with an 18 months old with bad separation anxiety (3rd night in a row puking before bed) and a newborn. My more active mafia games happen when I am at work :-)
That said, I hope if I make it into a late game situation I can make the right call. If not, so be it, at least I took a bullet for someone else!
Under the spoiler to save Foolishness his "nobody cares" sticker.
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anybody else getting sort of annoyed with the flamewheel spamming and whole "cutie" thing? i thought it was slightly intolerable in the rest of the forum but it's even more annoying in the mafia thread. please cut it out. if you don't have anything to contribute then stfu. is this a new thing because it's worse than L vs Ace bickering.
On June 10 2010 13:07 citi.zen wrote:
I am fine with the mass role-claiming suggestion. There are 4 vanilla townies here + miller so the mafia would not have a very easy time hiding among them. Claiming a blue role is very tricky for the reds since the rightful owner will know it. i guess we decided not to open with random accusations. citizen your statement here is irrelevant since there can be multiple identical blue roles. we just don't know how it'll play out. on the other hand, we could just as easily have 4 people claim the same role and spend 4 nights lynching each of them.
my only qualm with L's plan is that the structure of the game is forum based. that means posts come in linearly, one at a time and uneditable. what happens when there is only one medic and he roleclaims? mafia gets an easy kill in the first round with our most valuable player. if you think about it, the likelihood of 2 medics being in this game is VERY low since it would essentially be GG once they figure each other out (mafia just can't do shit). even with a roleblocker, i doubt that Incognito would create such a town-favored setup.
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what happens when there is only one medic and he roleclaims? Well, maybe try reading the plan before posting.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 10 2010 13:18 citi.zen wrote:
Under the spoiler to save Foolishness his "nobody cares" sticker.
<3
On June 10 2010 13:21 redtooth wrote:
i guess we decided not to open with random accusations. citizen your statement here is irrelevant since there can be multiple identical blue roles. we just don't know how it'll play out. on the other hand, we could just as easily have 4 people claim the same role and spend 4 nights lynching each of them.
my only qualm with L's plan is that the structure of the game is forum based. that means posts come in linearly, one at a time and uneditable. what happens when there is only one medic and he roleclaims? mafia gets an easy kill in the first round with our most valuable player. if you think about it, the likelihood of 2 medics being in this game is VERY low since it would essentially be GG once they figure each other out (mafia just can't do shit). even with a roleblocker, i doubt that Incognito would create such a town-favored setup.
That being said, what do you think about the two people that have already roleclaimed? Outing yourself as the tracker which is probably the most powerful blue role this game seems like such a terrible idea right now. Of course he could be pulling a RoL and just be a townie trying to fool the mafia or get protection cause he's selfish. Or he could actually be another blue role trying for protection. He could be mafia, although I doubt he would post that fast without consent from his brothers first.
Or he could just be stupid.
On June 10 2010 12:08 ohN wrote:Townie.I have no powerz.
Along those lines I say we lynch this guy first.
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Outing yourself as the tracker which is probably the most powerful blue role this game seems like such a terrible idea right now. Unless he's a hatter or vet and is claiming as instructed.
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Hello guys!
I am sorry but i just wake up..(italy check the tiem zone -___-).
I want to give the welcome to everybody to our city!
I am Detective
(i hope that this plan will work fine or i will be dead really fast..)
i suggest that medic cover my ass
Who should i check first?
I was think to check somebody that declears to be towny to be sure to not be a paranoid!
(ohn?!)
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What makes you think we only have 4 townies this round. You really think there's 7 blues?
We're going to have at most 1 vig, whether its day or night. There's no way we'll have a watcher, tracker, *and* dt. And I wouldn't be surprised if we had 0 hatters and 0 vets.
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And there's number two to do the math wrong.
I'm off to sleep. I work now so I won't be around during the day but i'll be back around 8pm est. maybe i'll post tmr morning if i'm not too sleepy.
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On June 10 2010 08:17 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 08:14 Vivi57 wrote:
This should be fun.
Also, is lynching an inactive really best? We've done that since forever and people are so used to the strategy that I don't think it'll give us as much in the way of vote lists and voting patterns to analyze.
I say that we make everyone talk then analyze behavior and if someone appears scummy, we shouldn't insta go for the inactive. That sounds fine but how do you propose we "make" everyone talk. Usually the plan for lynching an inactive on the first day stems from the strategy of making people talk.
Yea....We usually lynch inactives to make people talk. Kinda became a part of the meta game.
On June 10 2010 14:18 Vivi57 wrote:
What makes you think we only have 4 townies this round. You really think there's 7 blues?
We're going to have at most 1 vig, whether its day or night. There's no way we'll have a watcher, tracker, *and* dt. And I wouldn't be surprised if we had 0 hatters and 0 vets.
Ridiculous. A night vig most likely. Maybe even a night one hit.
I'd say the watcher is the more powerful of trackers/watchers/dt's in my opinion. Like what happened to L in the three kingdoms game. Being able to see all visitors is usually very nice, ya know? Prob the vig, most likely a watchers/tracker or watcher/dt (differing sanities?) imo. Definitely a medic (of differing qualities?), and most likely a vet.
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Alright, well I'm not really opposed to L's plan but I think some of the weaknesses (and outlining some of the inherent strengths) of the plan should be pointed out.
1) If not everyone (hatters and vigi's I'm looking at you) claims as planned then a lot of the info blue roles are at serious risk from red attack and we're basically blind. Also, we might not have any hatters or vigi's although I admit that I put this at low risk. Basically saying that the plan only really works if everyone's on board with it.
2) It puts high pressure on the townies, both from the town and from mafia. They will not only be easy pickings for the mafia, with basically no hope of protection from either hatters, vigi's and medics, but also with the difficulties in claiming blue, the mafia are very likely to hide amongst the townies as well, so the town will be scrutinizing those who claim green pretty severely.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing... but it is a weakness. With "random shit" everyone gets at least a bit of protection from those roles. By concentrating their strength around the blue roles, you also must necessarily deprive elsewhere of them.
3) If our red include some players skilled in behavioral analysis, it will be easy to pick out detectives and their counterparts, from the hatters and vigi's... since there's a relatively small pool to focus on.
Final thoughts... It's a decent plan and works extremely well is some situations... but can also fall apart if people don't cooperate or if there's a blue sniper in the mafia pool.
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L your plan has some flaws.
1) detective rolechecks a miller and announces that he found a mafia. waste lynch on townie, then waste lynch on detective. pretty much GG.
2) mafia can sacrifice one of their own to fake being detective and announce an incorrect role check result (claim a townie role checked as mafia). medic the first night will probably be asked to protect the "detective", so the mafia get their pick for whom to kill without worrying about the medic block. then, the next day the town will have to decide whether the detective roll checked a miller or he's mafia. It's debatable whether this would be a net gain or loss for the mafia, as they could have the "detective" screw with the town for more than one day.
3) What if all 4 mafia fake blue roles? We don't know how many blue roles there are, so we wouldn't be able to say whether or not the blue list is inflated (and god forbid townies might fake blue roles too) and they could cause some serious havoc (hatters/vigs won't be targetting any blues obviously, so all their kills will be on townies. Also, real detective roles would be checking townies/millers every night (assuming they don't check blues... checking blues would be stupid) which would be bad since that increases their odds of role checking millers.
I mean the plan would be fun and all, but unless you can come up with good responses to these problems (and give a shitload more detail on how blues are going to be asked to use their powers), your plan is garbage L.
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I was wondering...
Writing down here our roles is quite a dumb thing -___-
I have played only one game and in that game the PM was not allowed (BANG BANG) so I supposed that also in this game PMs were not allowed..
But when i recived a PM 5 minutes ago i check the rules and O.O (<-my expression)
So don't post your role on the thread but PM L!
We have to decide if L can be trustable or not!
If he is townie he can tell us how to move!
But if he is mafia he will get tons of info about townie and their role!
What to do?
A more experienced player can tell me his thoughts?
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With all this talk about DT's vs Watchers vs Trackers and Ludwig claiming to be a DT.
And plans involving DT's etc, aren't DT's a bit useless in this game?
From Incognitos post below there's only a 25% chance we actually get a DT that's not going to give us wrong information.
Ex If we get an actual DT claiming someone is scum and we lynch them and they flip townie, then of course we are going to lynch the DT that told us that information. So the DT is useless because he was a Paranoid DT.
So whoever has a DT role should probably keep their info to themselves until they know which sanity level they are at.
On June 09 2010 13:29 Incognito wrote:
PMing is allowed this game.
Sane DT - is like a regular alignment cop.
Insane DT - alignment cop that gets flipped results
Paranoid DT - Always receives Mafia from checks
Naive DT - Always receives Town from checks
Medic variants removed.
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On June 10 2010 17:12 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
L your plan has some flaws.
1) detective rolechecks a miller and announces that he found a mafia. waste lynch on townie, then waste lynch on detective. pretty much GG.
2) mafia can sacrifice one of their own to fake being detective and announce an incorrect role check result (claim a townie role checked as mafia). medic the first night will probably be asked to protect the "detective", so the mafia get their pick for whom to kill without worrying about the medic block. then, the next day the town will have to decide whether the detective roll checked a miller or he's mafia. It's debatable whether this would be a net gain or loss for the mafia, as they could have the "detective" screw with the town for more than one day.
3) What if all 4 mafia fake blue roles? We don't know how many blue roles there are, so we wouldn't be able to say whether or not the blue list is inflated (and god forbid townies might fake blue roles too) and they could cause some serious havoc (hatters/vigs won't be targetting any blues obviously, so all their kills will be on townies. Also, real detective roles would be checking townies/millers every night (assuming they don't check blues... checking blues would be stupid) which would be bad since that increases their odds of role checking millers.
I mean the plan would be fun and all, but unless you can come up with good responses to these problems (and give a shitload more detail on how blues are going to be asked to use their powers), your plan is garbage L.
Gotta go to work so only a quick recap:
1) DT needs to find sanity regardless of any plan we use. We also wouldn't kill the DT after seeing that the target he calls flips miller.
REALLY poor logic on your part seeing as the uncertainty exists because of the role. I haven't specified a use for the DT (yet), so worrying that we'll hit a miller is pretty hilarious.
2) Ok. Let them lie. If we have a legit DT, we trade a DT for a mafia member on day 1, which is pretty tits given how weak our DTs are.
3) Then we end with 9+ blues and we know people are lying and that the majority of our townies are legit. Mafia are now in a position where they need to lie about their night actions and lie about them correctly. I say no one visited, say, citi.zen because I watched him? Well, fuck, a medic or DT did. Or shit, a tracker watched me and saw that I didn't visit anyone.
I mean, your objections aren't flaws at all. There ARE flaws, but those aren't any of them.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On June 10 2010 22:07 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 17:12 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
L your plan has some flaws.
1) detective rolechecks a miller and announces that he found a mafia. waste lynch on townie, then waste lynch on detective. pretty much GG.
2) mafia can sacrifice one of their own to fake being detective and announce an incorrect role check result (claim a townie role checked as mafia). medic the first night will probably be asked to protect the "detective", so the mafia get their pick for whom to kill without worrying about the medic block. then, the next day the town will have to decide whether the detective roll checked a miller or he's mafia. It's debatable whether this would be a net gain or loss for the mafia, as they could have the "detective" screw with the town for more than one day.
3) What if all 4 mafia fake blue roles? We don't know how many blue roles there are, so we wouldn't be able to say whether or not the blue list is inflated (and god forbid townies might fake blue roles too) and they could cause some serious havoc (hatters/vigs won't be targetting any blues obviously, so all their kills will be on townies. Also, real detective roles would be checking townies/millers every night (assuming they don't check blues... checking blues would be stupid) which would be bad since that increases their odds of role checking millers.
I mean the plan would be fun and all, but unless you can come up with good responses to these problems (and give a shitload more detail on how blues are going to be asked to use their powers), your plan is garbage L. Gotta go to work so only a quick recap: 1) DT needs to find sanity regardless of any plan we use. We also wouldn't kill the DT after seeing that the target he calls flips miller. REALLY poor logic on your part seeing as the uncertainty exists because of the role. I haven't specified a use for the DT (yet), so worrying that we'll hit a miller is pretty hilarious. 2) Ok. Let them lie. If we have a legit DT, we trade a DT for a mafia member on day 1, which is pretty tits given how weak our DTs are. 3) Then we end with 9+ blues and we know people are lying and that the majority of our townies are legit. Mafia are now in a position where they need to lie about their night actions and lie about them correctly. I say no one visited, say, citi.zen because I watched him? Well, fuck, a medic or DT did. Or shit, a tracker watched me and saw that I didn't visit anyone. I mean, your objections aren't flaws at all. There ARE flaws, but those aren't any of them.
I was going to say. Three weak objections as a guise of pretending to be pro-town?
Also, basically we will pretty much die if other people don't start claiming. I mean, the thing with this plan is that if we don't actually follow it all the way through, it's somewhat of an auto-loss, because our blues are exposed, and we still can't figure out where the mafia are.
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I'm not sure. Usually I agree with the inactive lynch and more discussion, but as Radfield said, inactivity should not be a problem this game. Role claiming usually comes as a last resort? Why would we push for roleclaiming THIS early. It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
I'd guess the mafia are planning privately right now. So they probably aren't posting too much. If we're serious about this role claiming, we're giving them a lot to decide. Who claims what, risk/reward type shit.
But since we've had a dt claim we can use him to our advantage. So we must get his sanity established...Do we have him check somebody, and then lynch the person the next day? Just check and hope mafia kills the person? Maybe he's paranoid? Lots of problems come up from this.
I dunno what the best course of action is, I'm not usually that good at coming up with plans for the town.
=(
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On June 11 2010 01:53 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm not sure. Usually I agree with the inactive lynch and more discussion, but as Radfield said, inactivity should not be a problem this game. Role claiming usually comes as a last resort? Why would we push for roleclaiming THIS early. It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
I'd guess the mafia are planning privately right now. So they probably aren't posting too much. If we're serious about this role claiming, we're giving them a lot to decide. Who claims what, risk/reward type shit.
But since we've had a dt claim we can use him to our advantage. So we must get his sanity established...Do we have him check somebody, and then lynch the person the next day? Just check and hope mafia kills the person? Maybe he's paranoid? Lots of problems come up from this.
I dunno what the best course of action is, I'm not usually that good at coming up with plans for the town.
=(
Posts like this, which don't help, say a couple really obvious generic things, and which address what the mafia 'might be doing' while the poster does the opposite...
Red flags?
Mafia list:
A5J
OpZ
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Here's the way I see things right now. Whether you agree with L's plan or not, things have started moving regardless. We have both a DT and Tracker claim, so at this point I think we have a duty to follow along with our roleclaims simply to protect those two. Both tree.hugger and Ludwig strike me as telling the truth.
My guess would be that mafia will roleclaim as 3 townies and 1 blue role, the blue role will likely be claimed near the end. I doubt we have doubles of any role, as there is simply no need with this amount of players, and the number of potential open roles. So any blue-claiming right off the bat is very very risky.
Ludwig, PMing our roles to L is a bad bad idea. PMing our roles to anyone at this point is not smart, simply because there is no way to make a really solid case for someone being pro-town. The downside of picking the wrong person is basically a loss for the town. If we should be PMing anyone, it should be you, as I pretty much take your claim at face value at this point. However, I think public roleclaiming is the best way to go for the moment.
With that being said, I am a Townie and my job is to get shot on the first night. If we have a watcher, I recommend you have a look at me tonight as I have a decent streak going. Of course, it probably makes more sense to watch one of the blue claimers to try and find the roleblocker.
Medic should be protecting tree.hugger or Ludwig at this point, with emphasis on tree.hugger.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 11 2010 02:03 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 01:53 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm not sure. Usually I agree with the inactive lynch and more discussion, but as Radfield said, inactivity should not be a problem this game. Role claiming usually comes as a last resort? Why would we push for roleclaiming THIS early. It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
I'd guess the mafia are planning privately right now. So they probably aren't posting too much. If we're serious about this role claiming, we're giving them a lot to decide. Who claims what, risk/reward type shit.
But since we've had a dt claim we can use him to our advantage. So we must get his sanity established...Do we have him check somebody, and then lynch the person the next day? Just check and hope mafia kills the person? Maybe he's paranoid? Lots of problems come up from this.
I dunno what the best course of action is, I'm not usually that good at coming up with plans for the town.
=( Posts like this, which don't help, say a couple really obvious generic things, and which address what the mafia 'might be doing' while the poster does the opposite... Red flags? Mafia list: A5J OpZ
I had the same feeling tree.hugger, but I think it's more benificial to let things like this slide in the moment and try to build a case after more posts. No need to point out to potential mafia that they're not doing a good job.
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Well, in a game with pm's we can get a confirmed player pretty fast. We could pm/ coordinate through them, no?
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Ok this night i will investigated a person that claimed to be townie..I will tell you the result (if i will be still alive) T.T
(doctor love me please)
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On June 10 2010 22:07 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 17:12 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
L your plan has some flaws.
1) detective rolechecks a miller and announces that he found a mafia. waste lynch on townie, then waste lynch on detective. pretty much GG.
2) mafia can sacrifice one of their own to fake being detective and announce an incorrect role check result (claim a townie role checked as mafia). medic the first night will probably be asked to protect the "detective", so the mafia get their pick for whom to kill without worrying about the medic block. then, the next day the town will have to decide whether the detective roll checked a miller or he's mafia. It's debatable whether this would be a net gain or loss for the mafia, as they could have the "detective" screw with the town for more than one day.
3) What if all 4 mafia fake blue roles? We don't know how many blue roles there are, so we wouldn't be able to say whether or not the blue list is inflated (and god forbid townies might fake blue roles too) and they could cause some serious havoc (hatters/vigs won't be targetting any blues obviously, so all their kills will be on townies. Also, real detective roles would be checking townies/millers every night (assuming they don't check blues... checking blues would be stupid) which would be bad since that increases their odds of role checking millers.
I mean the plan would be fun and all, but unless you can come up with good responses to these problems (and give a shitload more detail on how blues are going to be asked to use their powers), your plan is garbage L. Gotta go to work so only a quick recap: 1) DT needs to find sanity regardless of any plan we use. We also wouldn't kill the DT after seeing that the target he calls flips miller. REALLY poor logic on your part seeing as the uncertainty exists because of the role. I haven't specified a use for the DT (yet), so worrying that we'll hit a miller is pretty hilarious. 2) Ok. Let them lie. If we have a legit DT, we trade a DT for a mafia member on day 1, which is pretty tits given how weak our DTs are. 3) Then we end with 9+ blues and we know people are lying and that the majority of our townies are legit. Mafia are now in a position where they need to lie about their night actions and lie about them correctly. I say no one visited, say, citi.zen because I watched him? Well, fuck, a medic or DT did. Or shit, a tracker watched me and saw that I didn't visit anyone. I mean, your objections aren't flaws at all. There ARE flaws, but those aren't any of them.
Ok my 1) point was wrong, for some reason I had it in my head last night that when you lynch a miller they flip townie, my bad.
For 2), there is also the possibility that the DT is paranoid but town aligned, how do you deal with that?
For 3), the whole point is that we have no idea how many blues there are. I thought you'd be smart enough to get this, but apparently not. What if 1 or 2 mafia infiltrate the blue ranks? If we get suspicious about the inflated blue count and focus all of our attention on the blues, we'll be wasting a ton of lynches and faulty role checks while the mafia are picking blues off. If all 4 mafia go into the blues, we have no way to know whether there are 0,1,2,3, or 4 mafia in the blues. We can only guess, and its too risky to just start lynching blues 1 by 1 in case there really are a lot of blues.
So L posts a clearly risky plan, and when I jump in to criticize the first thing a couple people do is flag me as mafia. GREAT play guys. Also L if you know of flaws then post them so we can work out potential solutions until people jump the gun and start RCing. Besides, if you know your plan had flaws then why did you post it in the first place?
I advise NO ONE to RC until this shit is worked out. L has NOT filled in the details of his plan.
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and yes I'm aware that ludwig~ RC'd detective. now we'll have to figure out what to do about that for the rest of the game. it might not be all bad, since medic can protect him and mafia have only 1 KP.
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HEY GUYS! I'm here!
OK, I was going to post about how I didn't read the rules of the thread as usual and after skimming the thread I noticed talk about a tracker role.. I would talk about this and be like cool a new role and all BUT there is something bigger to discuss... It is a LEGENDARY Discovery!!
RebirthOfLeGend IS BACK!!!! AND PMs are allowed! I will now enter PM land... I will come back and post inside jokes and hints. And possibly some good input.
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Everyone PM me and talk about anything! riddles are fun..
Now, I shall say something to make this thread active:
This game is dead.
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Chezinu what are you talking about?
Please don't post without any meaning inside..they are quite confusing...
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On June 11 2010 05:58 LuDwig- wrote:
Chezinu what are you talking about?
Please don't post without any meaning inside..they are quite confusing...
##Kill LuDwig-
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On June 11 2010 05:49 Chezinu wrote:
Everyone PM me and talk about anything! riddles are fun..
Now, I shall say something to make this thread active:
This game is dead.
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He's the Town Jester / Day Vig apparently!
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On June 11 2010 02:16 Radfield wrote:
With that being said, I am a Townie and my job is to get shot on the first night. If we have a watcher, I recommend you have a look at me tonight as I have a decent streak going. Of course, it probably makes more sense to watch one of the blue claimers to try and find the roleblocker.
Medic should be protecting tree.hugger or Ludwig at this point, with emphasis on tree.hugger.
i completely agree with radfield on this point. i am also a Townie.
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On June 11 2010 06:02 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 05:58 LuDwig- wrote:
Chezinu what are you talking about?
Please don't post without any meaning inside..they are quite confusing... ##Kill LuDwig-
Wait can he do that?
I check all the roles..i don't find anything like that .___.
Have i missed anything? Am i dead?
Or is he just spamming?
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(sorry for the edit it was only for the grammar! my fault -___-)
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On June 11 2010 06:09 LuDwig- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 06:02 Chezinu wrote:On June 11 2010 05:58 LuDwig- wrote:
Chezinu what are you talking about?
Please don't post without any meaning inside..they are quite confusing... ##Kill LuDwig- Wait can he do that? I check all the roles..i don't find anything like that .___. Have i missed anything? Am i dead? Or is he just spamming?
Day Vigi, It is the last role listed.
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Ludwig died from the Dvig, but he's gonna get modkilled for that edit so he's double dead (aka alive)!
Welcome back LuDwig-!!
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Uhhh, massive frowns on the edit, but it's up to Incog to deal with you.
I am posting to indicate the lack of a blue post with action happening.
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On June 10 2010 17:38 LuDwig- wrote:
I was wondering...
Writing down here our roles is quite a dumb thing -___-
I have played only one game and in that game the PM was not allowed (BANG BANG) so I supposed that also in this game PMs were not allowed..
But when i recived a PM 5 minutes ago i check the rules and O.O (<-my expression)
So don't post your role on the thread but PM L!
so if ludwig is red, then L is probably also red!
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On June 11 2010 06:13 Korynne wrote:
Uhhh, massive frowns on the edit, but it's up to Incog to deal with you.
I am posting to indicate the lack of a blue post with action happening.
So that means, I'm not Dvig? awww...
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Well, I got some people to post!
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Hmm, So with Korynne's response I don't think a Dvig exists.. Dvig is not a blue role..
Now read the description of Dvig:
"You are aligned with either the town or the mafia"
So that means Dvig can't be on mafia side since Korynne said "lack of a blue post"
So that means Dvig isn't mafia and that I'm not Blue and mafia shouldn't bother killing me!
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Just read role pms, So Dvig if it exists is on town's side. Since it would be blue!
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Do I really need to spell this out for you? Lack of a blue post indicating lack of mod post indicating some action happening, like for example, the lack of an announcement that Ludwig has been killed.
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oh.. that ruined my theories...
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wow chez, why you stirring up trouble??!?!?
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It was pretty funny but Chez only shoots blanks apparently.
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On June 11 2010 06:30 johnnyspazz wrote:
wow chez, why you stirring up trouble??!?!?
I'm providing information in exchange for more information. I providing proof that I wasn't Dvig for information on people's reactions. So far no one is pming me.. so I need to get info somehow..
He called my post useless... I don't like that word.. I asked people in the past after playing games where people call my posts "useless" I never get an answer...
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Oh Chez... you're like that yappy dog that never stops barking and everyone just has to speak over it.
Although I suppose it is more interesting having you in the game... better than dead silence anyways... Cheers
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I'm pretty sure the day vig knows they're the day vig. I imagine it's in their role PM.
@AcrossFiveJulys Here's the way I see it going down if everyone roleclaims. We have a pretty good idea of how many blue roles there are, so an overabundance of blue or green will tip us off one way or another. In addition, any mafia claiming blue is making a risky decision, because any blue role that doubles up will be investigated/killed/whatever. At the very least attention will be placed on the two claimers. It seems likely that most of the people who claim blue will actually BE blue. Therefore, we can narrow down our list of suspects to the green claimers. Thoughts? It's not perfect, but considering that we already have 2 blue and 3 green claimed, I think it's our best bet.
Also
##KILL: Chezinu
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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On June 11 2010 02:03 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 01:53 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm not sure. Usually I agree with the inactive lynch and more discussion, but as Radfield said, inactivity should not be a problem this game. Role claiming usually comes as a last resort? Why would we push for roleclaiming THIS early. It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
I'd guess the mafia are planning privately right now. So they probably aren't posting too much. If we're serious about this role claiming, we're giving them a lot to decide. Who claims what, risk/reward type shit.
But since we've had a dt claim we can use him to our advantage. So we must get his sanity established...Do we have him check somebody, and then lynch the person the next day? Just check and hope mafia kills the person? Maybe he's paranoid? Lots of problems come up from this.
I dunno what the best course of action is, I'm not usually that good at coming up with plans for the town.
=( Posts like this, which don't help, say a couple really obvious generic things, and which address what the mafia 'might be doing' while the poster does the opposite... Red flags? Mafia list: A5J OpZ
Because I fail at planning? Are you kidding me. Go shove it. I'm better at watching and analyzing than coming up with a direction. My only time EVER coming up with a plan was Ace's WaW when it was a lylo situation.
But here, Let me point out something that someone else did (which was the same as me)
On June 11 2010 02:16 Radfield wrote:
My guess would be that mafia will roleclaim as 3 townies and 1 blue role, the blue role will likely be claimed near the end. I doubt we have doubles of any role, as there is simply no need with this amount of players, and the number of potential open roles. So any blue-claiming right off the bat is very very risky.
So wait what? Radfield says this...which I say the mafia are probably discussing all this too...But red flags pop up for me?...Ok...That makes sense. He just gave numbers...
On June 11 2010 05:31 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 22:07 L wrote:On June 10 2010 17:12 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
L your plan has some flaws.
1) detective rolechecks a miller and announces that he found a mafia. waste lynch on townie, then waste lynch on detective. pretty much GG.
2) mafia can sacrifice one of their own to fake being detective and announce an incorrect role check result (claim a townie role checked as mafia). medic the first night will probably be asked to protect the "detective", so the mafia get their pick for whom to kill without worrying about the medic block. then, the next day the town will have to decide whether the detective roll checked a miller or he's mafia. It's debatable whether this would be a net gain or loss for the mafia, as they could have the "detective" screw with the town for more than one day.
3) What if all 4 mafia fake blue roles? We don't know how many blue roles there are, so we wouldn't be able to say whether or not the blue list is inflated (and god forbid townies might fake blue roles too) and they could cause some serious havoc (hatters/vigs won't be targetting any blues obviously, so all their kills will be on townies. Also, real detective roles would be checking townies/millers every night (assuming they don't check blues... checking blues would be stupid) which would be bad since that increases their odds of role checking millers.
I mean the plan would be fun and all, but unless you can come up with good responses to these problems (and give a shitload more detail on how blues are going to be asked to use their powers), your plan is garbage L. Gotta go to work so only a quick recap: 1) DT needs to find sanity regardless of any plan we use. We also wouldn't kill the DT after seeing that the target he calls flips miller. REALLY poor logic on your part seeing as the uncertainty exists because of the role. I haven't specified a use for the DT (yet), so worrying that we'll hit a miller is pretty hilarious. 2) Ok. Let them lie. If we have a legit DT, we trade a DT for a mafia member on day 1, which is pretty tits given how weak our DTs are. 3) Then we end with 9+ blues and we know people are lying and that the majority of our townies are legit. Mafia are now in a position where they need to lie about their night actions and lie about them correctly. I say no one visited, say, citi.zen because I watched him? Well, fuck, a medic or DT did. Or shit, a tracker watched me and saw that I didn't visit anyone. I mean, your objections aren't flaws at all. There ARE flaws, but those aren't any of them. Ok my 1) point was wrong, for some reason I had it in my head last night that when you lynch a miller they flip townie, my bad. For 2), there is also the possibility that the DT is paranoid but town aligned, how do you deal with that? For 3), the whole point is that we have no idea how many blues there are. I thought you'd be smart enough to get this, but apparently not. What if 1 or 2 mafia infiltrate the blue ranks? If we get suspicious about the inflated blue count and focus all of our attention on the blues, we'll be wasting a ton of lynches and faulty role checks while the mafia are picking blues off. If all 4 mafia go into the blues, we have no way to know whether there are 0,1,2,3, or 4 mafia in the blues. We can only guess, and its too risky to just start lynching blues 1 by 1 in case there really are a lot of blues. So L posts a clearly risky plan, and when I jump in to criticize the first thing a couple people do is flag me as mafia. GREAT play guys. Also L if you know of flaws then post them so we can work out potential solutions until people jump the gun and start RCing. Besides, if you know your plan had flaws then why did you post it in the first place? I advise NO ONE to RC until this shit is worked out. L has NOT filled in the details of his plan.
Ya know...I feel the same way. Lol...I mean, lets just give the mafia a hitlist of people that might just be important....How could that possibly be bad? I demand L post more of his BS plan too.
Also, I'm never down with taking claims completely at face value anyway, but power claims did come early.
In the interest of argument, about the number of people that claim town, do you really expect all blues to step forward? I mean, medics? Hatters?
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Just to keep track of who claimed what:
Claims:
Radfield
Ludwig (Detective)
tree.hugger(Tracker)
Ohn
johnnyspazz
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*sigh* Another blue post signifying a mod ignoring a specific command only usable by selected people.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 11 2010 06:58 Korynne wrote:
*sigh* Another blue post signifying a mod ignoring a specific command only usable by selected people.
yeah, sorry about that, just trying to have some fun
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Hey, I will be active tonight. Sorry kids :D I was working.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On June 11 2010 06:58 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 02:03 tree.hugger wrote:On June 11 2010 01:53 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm not sure. Usually I agree with the inactive lynch and more discussion, but as Radfield said, inactivity should not be a problem this game. Role claiming usually comes as a last resort? Why would we push for roleclaiming THIS early. It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
I'd guess the mafia are planning privately right now. So they probably aren't posting too much. If we're serious about this role claiming, we're giving them a lot to decide. Who claims what, risk/reward type shit.
But since we've had a dt claim we can use him to our advantage. So we must get his sanity established...Do we have him check somebody, and then lynch the person the next day? Just check and hope mafia kills the person? Maybe he's paranoid? Lots of problems come up from this.
I dunno what the best course of action is, I'm not usually that good at coming up with plans for the town.
=( Posts like this, which don't help, say a couple really obvious generic things, and which address what the mafia 'might be doing' while the poster does the opposite... Red flags? Mafia list: A5J OpZ Because I fail at planning? Are you kidding me. Go shove it. I'm better at watching and analyzing than coming up with a direction. My only time EVER coming up with a plan was Ace's WaW when it was a lylo situation. But here, Let me point out something that someone else did (which was the same as me) Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 02:16 Radfield wrote:
My guess would be that mafia will roleclaim as 3 townies and 1 blue role, the blue role will likely be claimed near the end. I doubt we have doubles of any role, as there is simply no need with this amount of players, and the number of potential open roles. So any blue-claiming right off the bat is very very risky.
So wait what? Radfield says this...which I say the mafia are probably discussing all this too...But red flags pop up for me?...Ok...That makes sense. He just gave numbers...
Damn, you got me. I pointed out that among all of the unhelpful things you wrote in your post, you also managed to say that the mafia was doing something very standard and obvious. Then, 13 minutes after I made this accusation, Radfield also suggests a possible move for the mafia (albeit much more helpful as it is specific) and you accuse me of not accusing Radfield of the same thing 13 minutes before he said it.
I'm clearly mafia.
Also, anyone who doesn't roleclaim at this point is injuring the town. As I said earlier, we either mass roleclaim and thereby defend ourselves through numbers, while forcing the mafia into an awkward spot, or we half roleclaim, leave our blues exposed, while still giving the mafia room to hide.
Which means that we need people to roleclaim pronto, (L, for example should set an example), and we need to pick a lynch target. Obviously the medic should protect one of us blues, and give the mafia some doubt as to who to target.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Also, some people very obviously did not read anything in this thread.
Medics should claim something else and hatters/vets should claim dt/tracker/watcher to make it difficult to target these roles. (In other words, would you as mafia waste a night kill on someone who could 50% be a hatter or 50% vet?)
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On June 11 2010 07:51 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 06:58 ~OpZ~ wrote:On June 11 2010 02:03 tree.hugger wrote:On June 11 2010 01:53 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm not sure. Usually I agree with the inactive lynch and more discussion, but as Radfield said, inactivity should not be a problem this game. Role claiming usually comes as a last resort? Why would we push for roleclaiming THIS early. It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
I'd guess the mafia are planning privately right now. So they probably aren't posting too much. If we're serious about this role claiming, we're giving them a lot to decide. Who claims what, risk/reward type shit.
But since we've had a dt claim we can use him to our advantage. So we must get his sanity established...Do we have him check somebody, and then lynch the person the next day? Just check and hope mafia kills the person? Maybe he's paranoid? Lots of problems come up from this.
I dunno what the best course of action is, I'm not usually that good at coming up with plans for the town.
=( Posts like this, which don't help, say a couple really obvious generic things, and which address what the mafia 'might be doing' while the poster does the opposite... Red flags? Mafia list: A5J OpZ Because I fail at planning? Are you kidding me. Go shove it. I'm better at watching and analyzing than coming up with a direction. My only time EVER coming up with a plan was Ace's WaW when it was a lylo situation. But here, Let me point out something that someone else did (which was the same as me) On June 11 2010 02:16 Radfield wrote:
My guess would be that mafia will roleclaim as 3 townies and 1 blue role, the blue role will likely be claimed near the end. I doubt we have doubles of any role, as there is simply no need with this amount of players, and the number of potential open roles. So any blue-claiming right off the bat is very very risky.
So wait what? Radfield says this...which I say the mafia are probably discussing all this too...But red flags pop up for me?...Ok...That makes sense. He just gave numbers... Damn, you got me. I pointed out that among all of the unhelpful things you wrote in your post, you also managed to say that the mafia was doing something very standard and obvious. Then, 13 minutes after I made this accusation, Radfield also suggests a possible move for the mafia (albeit much more helpful as it is specific) and you accuse me of not accusing Radfield of the same thing 13 minutes before he said it. I'm clearly mafia. Also, anyone who doesn't roleclaim at this point is injuring the town. As I said earlier, we either mass roleclaim and thereby defend ourselves through numbers, while forcing the mafia into an awkward spot, or we half roleclaim, leave our blues exposed, while still giving the mafia room to hide. Which means that we need people to roleclaim pronto, (L, for example should set an example), and we need to pick a lynch target. Obviously the medic should protect one of us blues, and give the mafia some doubt as to who to target.
Ohhhhhhh so the inclusion of numbers makes him less mafia. Okay. Thanks for clarification. There are four mafia. Am I doin it right?
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On June 11 2010 07:51 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 06:58 ~OpZ~ wrote:On June 11 2010 02:03 tree.hugger wrote:On June 11 2010 01:53 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm not sure. Usually I agree with the inactive lynch and more discussion, but as Radfield said, inactivity should not be a problem this game. Role claiming usually comes as a last resort? Why would we push for roleclaiming THIS early. It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
I'd guess the mafia are planning privately right now. So they probably aren't posting too much. If we're serious about this role claiming, we're giving them a lot to decide. Who claims what, risk/reward type shit.
But since we've had a dt claim we can use him to our advantage. So we must get his sanity established...Do we have him check somebody, and then lynch the person the next day? Just check and hope mafia kills the person? Maybe he's paranoid? Lots of problems come up from this.
I dunno what the best course of action is, I'm not usually that good at coming up with plans for the town.
=( Posts like this, which don't help, say a couple really obvious generic things, and which address what the mafia 'might be doing' while the poster does the opposite... Red flags? Mafia list: A5J OpZ Because I fail at planning? Are you kidding me. Go shove it. I'm better at watching and analyzing than coming up with a direction. My only time EVER coming up with a plan was Ace's WaW when it was a lylo situation. But here, Let me point out something that someone else did (which was the same as me) On June 11 2010 02:16 Radfield wrote:
My guess would be that mafia will roleclaim as 3 townies and 1 blue role, the blue role will likely be claimed near the end. I doubt we have doubles of any role, as there is simply no need with this amount of players, and the number of potential open roles. So any blue-claiming right off the bat is very very risky.
So wait what? Radfield says this...which I say the mafia are probably discussing all this too...But red flags pop up for me?...Ok...That makes sense. He just gave numbers... Also, anyone who doesn't roleclaim at this point is injuring the town. As I said earlier, we either mass roleclaim and thereby defend ourselves through numbers, while forcing the mafia into an awkward spot, or we half roleclaim, leave our blues exposed, while still giving the mafia room to hide. Which means that we need people to roleclaim pronto, (L, for example should set an example), and we need to pick a lynch target. Obviously the medic should protect one of us blues, and give the mafia some doubt as to who to target.
I agree that at this point we are committed to this potentially shitty plan because our "tracker" and "detective" have RC'd. I don't mind role claiming townie for myself, at least. If anyone can think of a good way to put the brakes on the plan even though a couple "blues" have RC'd then please post how to do so, otherwise let's go forward with the plan even though it sucks because it's worse to just give the mafia a few blues and then stop.
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On June 11 2010 07:55 tree.hugger wrote:
Also, some people very obviously did not read anything in this thread.
Medics should claim something else and hatters/vets should claim dt/tracker/watcher to make it difficult to target these roles. (In other words, would you as mafia waste a night kill on someone who could 50% be a hatter or 50% vet?)
You are suggesting that town members lie, this creates confusion this is a big no.
As for this plan, It has already started and I think its worth it for the same reasons Radfeild said.
I am a Townie.
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On June 11 2010 08:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 07:55 tree.hugger wrote:
Also, some people very obviously did not read anything in this thread.
Medics should claim something else and hatters/vets should claim dt/tracker/watcher to make it difficult to target these roles. (In other words, would you as mafia waste a night kill on someone who could 50% be a hatter or 50% vet?) You are suggesting that town members lie, this creates confusion this is a big no. As for this plan, It has already started and I think its worth it for the same reasons Radfeild said. I am a Townie.
rebirth no, not all town members lie, only those mentioned in L's post, which will make it difficult for mafia to target specific blues. i'm still unsure how we can get useful information out of them, though, and L has been sitting with his thumb up his ass and not filling in the details of the plan.
L's post:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hmm...
Semi-open setups are tricky, since we know what roles there can be but not the number. However, since there is a given number of mafia we should be able to roughly estimate what kind of blue powers (and/or extraneous mafia powers) there are in the game.
17 people and four mafia, so the mafia comprise 23.5% of the town's population. Normally in Incognito's games, the mafia comprise a flat 20% of the total population and blue roles are adjusted based on that, and given the fact that there are more varied roles than in these more 'standard' games, I'd assume we'd have some of those. Let's see...
Incognito likes Mad Hatters. I can't remember if that is his or Qatol's (perhaps both?) favourite role, but most likely there will be one Hatter.
Obviously, it'd be ludicrous to say that there isn't a medic, though the question is whether or not there's one medic or two. I'm split between the numbers, since either could work... A self-saving medic is way more powerful, and that would mean there would probably only be one medic. However, Incognito has ninja'ed in the fact that medics cannot save themselves, so two medics is probable.
Between the Watcher/Stalker and DT there's more likely to be a DT. Watchers and Stalkers are cute roles, and I'd count them as half a blue role. There'll probably be one of either.
There is a Veteran, most likely. Since it is a passive blue role, I'd count it as a half.
Because you can't have too many blue roles without balancing Mafia powers as well...
There will probably be a Mafia-aligned Day vigilante, and perhaps a town-aligned one. If there are two medics (or two of anything) I'd find it more likely that there'd be a roleblocker. Probably to throw off the DT, there will be one, at most but probably not, two Millers.
Of course, this is all conjectural based on how I would potentially balance a game.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I'm wiped guys, and going to bed. I have stuff to say, but I'll say it in the morning. I'm beginning to rethink lynching inactives. MORE POSTING PEOPLE! You know who you are.
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On June 11 2010 08:22 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 08:11 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 11 2010 07:55 tree.hugger wrote:
Also, some people very obviously did not read anything in this thread.
Medics should claim something else and hatters/vets should claim dt/tracker/watcher to make it difficult to target these roles. (In other words, would you as mafia waste a night kill on someone who could 50% be a hatter or 50% vet?) You are suggesting that town members lie, this creates confusion this is a big no. As for this plan, It has already started and I think its worth it for the same reasons Radfeild said. I am a Townie. rebirth no, not all town members lie, only those mentioned in L's post, which will make it difficult for mafia to target specific blues. i'm still unsure how we can get useful information out of them, though, and L has been sitting with his thumb up his ass and not filling in the details of the plan. L's post: + Show Spoiler +
Hmm...
Semi-open setups are tricky, since we know what roles there can be but not the number. However, since there is a given number of mafia we should be able to roughly estimate what kind of blue powers (and/or extraneous mafia powers) there are in the game.
17 people and four mafia, so the mafia comprise 23.5% of the town's population. Normally in Incognito's games, the mafia comprise a flat 20% of the total population and blue roles are adjusted based on that, and given the fact that there are more varied roles than in these more 'standard' games, I'd assume we'd have some of those. Let's see...
Incognito likes Mad Hatters. I can't remember if that is his or Qatol's (perhaps both?) favourite role, but most likely there will be one Hatter.
Obviously, it'd be ludicrous to say that there isn't a medic, though the question is whether or not there's one medic or two. I'm split between the numbers, since either could work... A self-saving medic is way more powerful, and that would mean there would probably only be one medic. However, Incognito has ninja'ed in the fact that medics cannot save themselves, so two medics is probable.
Between the Watcher/Stalker and DT there's more likely to be a DT. Watchers and Stalkers are cute roles, and I'd count them as half a blue role. There'll probably be one of either.
There is a Veteran, most likely. Since it is a passive blue role, I'd count it as a half.
Because you can't have too many blue roles without balancing Mafia powers as well...
There will probably be a Mafia-aligned Day vigilante, and perhaps a town-aligned one. If there are two medics (or two of anything) I'd find it more likely that there'd be a roleblocker. Probably to throw off the DT, there will be one, at most but probably not, two Millers.
Of course, this is all conjectural based on how I would potentially balance a game.
That is not a post by L, that is by Flamewheel and is later quoted by L on page 9. L never once says to lie about your role, individuals lying is not town beneficial because we are all under the general rule of lynch all liars. Currently the idea is "they can't kill us all before we figure out who is lying." Which is a good idea since they physically can't win the game until AT LEAST Day 6, which is a LOT of time especially if we have an idea of how the game is set up balance wise, which is why initial conjecture on potential set ups was necessary.
If everyone claims something they aren't, that doesn't help us narrow down a list of suspects, do you understand? We have decided there is probably around 4-5 greens, and mafia will have a tough time faking blue roles and are most comfortable claiming green. This puts them in a very awkward position.
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Lol, i get back from work and jesus you people have bad reading comprehension.
YES i do tell 3 classes of people to lie about their role. Vet/hatter need to claim to be dt/watcher/tracker. Medic needs to lie in whatever way he feels necessary. Why? Because this forces mafia to lie. If we had everyone claim and we have like only 4 blues total, we KNOW they're legit because the number's hyper low. If we have everyone claim and we have 9 blues, we KNOW some of them are lying. No other role should lie, and the roles that ARE lying should only be lying in the way set out above.
On that note, I'm townie, brosefs.
We have decided there is probably around 4-5 greens
Look at the game numbers. 17 players. 13 town. 4 mafia. 7 blue roles. We're likely to have 4-7 blues max, giving us at the worst 6 greens. The game is 1 kp with 17 players in play. Every correct lynch we have buys us a day. Every medic prot buys us a day. We have potential 3 information roles. With 2 players down a day and a minimum of 8 people alive if we chain-mishit, we have 9 deaths until we're in near death situation. That means we can screw up every single day until day 5 and still win. Given that, I'd be very shocked to see us packing 8-9 blues as per your estimate.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Roleclaiming: Townie
Reading thread now, in after internet outage + moderating my own game.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
(Updated) List partially stolen from Meeple who... has not claimed.
Claims:
Ludwig (Detective)
tree.hugger(Tracker)
Radfield
Ohn
johnnyspazz
AcrossFiveJulys
RebirthOfLeGenD
L
Flamewheel
That's seven townies, and two blues, accounting (if we pretend that the two people in there who are clearly lying aren't) for nine of the thirteen town members.
Keep the roleclaims coming!
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5-6 days is actually huge and I overlooked that the first time I thought about role claiming.
I am a townie
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townie.
please stop distracting the town with day vigi kill commands. you have the entire forum to "have fun", keep the mafia thread pristine as possible. on a side note, so far there seems to be an abnormal number of greens popping.
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The day will finish this night? right?
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'Forgot about this game lol.
Interesting how we have a lot of greens claiming and not much else.
Everybody should keep claiming imo, puts the mafia in a tough spot and narrows down who we need to look at.
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Stating the obvious: the mafia decided to claim green. Nothing surprising there. I am green too -making the green count way too high. All we've done thus far is out 2 blues for the mafia to kill.
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On June 11 2010 14:39 citi.zen wrote:
Stating the obvious: the mafia decided to claim green. Nothing surprising there. I am green too -making the green count way too high. All we've done thus far is out 2 blues for the mafia to kill.
Whole point of the plan is to get everybody to claim.
If only like half of us claim it hurts us more than help.
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[quote]Claims:
Ludwig (Detective)
tree.hugger(Tracker)
Radfield
Ohn
johnnyspazz
AcrossFiveJulys
RebirthOfLeGenD
L
Flamewheel
redtooth
Vivi57
still have to claim:
1. Chezinu
2.citi.zen
3. Foolishness
4. meeple
5. ~OpZ~
6. MooCow
? of ? Detectives remain
? of ? Trackers remain
? of ? Watchers remain
? of ? Medics remain
? of ? Vigilantes remain
? of ? Mad Hatters remain
? of ? Veterans remain
? of ? Millers remain
4 of 4 Mafia remain (this includes Godfather and/or Roleblocker)
? of ? Godfather remain
? of ? Roleblocker remain
? of ? Day Vigilantes remain
My thoughts:
As long as it know it is still possibly that no one said a lie.
4 of the 6 player that have not claimed can be the mafia members. However this seem really too easy ( i believe that someone fake his claim for sure).
However my idea is to lynch one of the person that will not role claim...I suppose this is the only way to make them out of their hidings
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On June 11 2010 06:04 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 05:49 Chezinu wrote:
Everyone PM me and talk about anything! riddles are fun..
Now, I shall say something to make this thread active:
This game is dead. 1010 0101 0100 0100 1011 0010 0101 0001 0001 0111 0110 1101 0100 0011 0111 0010 1110 1110
0101 1010 0001 0111 1010 1011
0111 1010 0010 1011 0010 1101
1000 0101 1110 0000 0110 1000
1001 1001
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Where i am not able to find the post :|
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my take:
ludwig and tree hugger are probably legit.
There are 1-2 mafia among the greens and 2-3 that still haven't claimed. The list of non claimers is an excellent place to start looking for scum.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 11 2010 10:40 L wrote: Look at the game numbers. 17 players. 13 town. 4 mafia. 7 blue roles. We're likely to have 4-7 blues max, giving us at the worst 6 greens. The game is 1 kp with 17 players in play. Every correct lynch we have buys us a day. Every medic prot buys us a day. We have potential 3 information roles. With 2 players down a day and a minimum of 8 people alive if we chain-mishit, we have 9 deaths until we're in near death situation. That means we can screw up every single day until day 5 and still win. Given that, I'd be very shocked to see us packing 8-9 blues as per your estimate.
I failed to realize how a mafia KP of 1 gives us so much time. On that note it seems quite unlikely for the town to have 6 or 7 blue roles, as we would be seriously overpowered, even if mafia had a roleblocker/godfather/dayvig. I would think we have a medic out there, and probably one of vig/vet/hatter, but that might be it.
During the night we need to pick someone for ludwig to check, and then lynch that person on day 2 to figure out his sanity. I have a few ideas in mind, but we don't need to start talking about that just yet necessarily. In fact, it might make more sense to PM our suggestions to tree.hugger and Ludwig, and let them make the final call together, as they are both highly likely to be town aligned. The reason to keep it private would be so the mafia can't snipe that player first and delay us finding out Ludwig's sanity.
Since we have about twelve hours, I'm putting forward some lynch suspects:
Johnnyspazz: Four posts in the thread, all of them one liners.
AcrossFiveJulys: Made some bad arguments against roleclaiming, moderate amount of spamming. This was his roleclaim:
I agree that at this point we are committed to this potentially shitty plan because our "tracker" and "detective" have RC'd. I don't mind role claiming townie for myself, at least. If anyone can think of a good way to put the brakes on the plan even though a couple "blues" have RC'd then please post how to do so, otherwise let's go forward with the plan even though it sucks because it's worse to just give the mafia a few blues and then stop.
Something about this roleclaim seemed off to me, but I can't really put my finger on it.
Both of these are good lynch targets in my eyes, but FIRST AND FOREMOST, any non roleclaimers need to be looked at in my opinion. We need information on the table, and people who don't claim are hindering the town at this point.
Right now I think we should be looking at AFJ and Jspazz as potential targets for ludwig's sanity check. Theoretically neither of you should be particularly opposed to sacrificing for the town if you're town aligned . Do people Agree? Disagree? Thoughts?
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I also just noticed we have 4 voters in the voting thread. What the heck people!? Do NOT vote without posting an explanation, that helps the mafia coast. (I realize Chez posted a reason)
On June 10 2010 07:51 redtooth wrote:
i vote meeple
On June 11 2010 15:15 citi.zen wrote:
## vote ohn
On June 11 2010 15:59 Chezinu wrote:
## vote Radfield
aka abstaining for now.. because no one else would dare vote for him, right?
On June 11 2010 19:36 Vivi57 wrote:
##Vote: ~OpZ~
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If I am not much mistaken, JohnnySpazz is just not a very good player and always looks generally fishy. I wouldn't mind getting his confusion/potential mafianess out of the way early.
Although some of the things AFJ said were kind of "...wtf?" he didn't even read the rules for one of them, I generally think that is mafiaish, having not read the rules correctly because I used to just skim them when I was mafia and not read 100% because it wasn't as important, after a few fuck ups I started always reading it a couple of times.
Oh and L, sorry I must of just missed that in your post, I assume when we finally confirm one player we have the Vigi/MH legitimately role claim to them via PM, so we drop some confusion.
Also lol@9 greens role claiming.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On June 11 2010 15:37 Chezinu wrote:
I just claimed above!
Seriously? PM me?
Also, the mafia seems to be doing almost exactly what Radfield suggested they might do; 3 townies, 1 blue. Which means that we can lynch with a little less worry, perhaps.
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On June 11 2010 22:16 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
If I am not much mistaken, JohnnySpazz is just not a very good player and always looks generally fishy. I wouldn't mind getting his confusion/potential mafianess out of the way early.
Although some of the things AFJ said were kind of "...wtf?" he didn't even read the rules for one of them, I generally think that is mafiaish, having not read the rules correctly because I used to just skim them when I was mafia and not read 100% because it wasn't as important, after a few fuck ups I started always reading it a couple of times.
Oh and L, sorry I must of just missed that in your post, I assume when we finally confirm one player we have the Vigi/MH legitimately role claim to them via PM, so we drop some confusion.
Also lol@9 greens role claiming.
Spazz ain't really that bad...He has his moments. He has nothing on BM, or Chez on a bad day, just he isn't as funny. He has a few posts of good content in some other games.
I'm green. -_-
Why did we have to get stuck with this shitty plan. I'm all for slaughtering L for this PoS plan, so I guess I'ma fall in that tree.hugger camp. Even though tree.hugger was the first to claim....ridiculous.
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The plan isn't that bad. I could be confusing Jspazz with someone else, I just can't think of who it is right now.
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What is tree.hugger's plan? .___.
Also who do you want me to check this night?
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 11 2010 23:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
The plan isn't that bad. I could be confusing Jspazz with someone else, I just can't think of who it is right now.
Abenson? It seems like he has a pretty bad reputation in mafia.
4 left to claim:
MooCow
Meeple
Foolishness
Chezinu
For the record I don't think we should lynch Jspazz today. He's probably town. I think we should use him as our sanity test for ludwig. Investigate him tonight, lynch him Day 2.
At this point, I think one of these four should be our target for now. We have about 9 hours until day ends.
It appears as though inactivity may be a little bit of a problem after all. Anyone still flying under the radar should be looked in to.
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I'm going to shake things up a bit.
If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.
I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much.
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On June 11 2010 19:54 Radfield wrote:I also just noticed we have 4 voters in the voting thread. What the heck people!? Do NOT vote without posting an explanation, that helps the mafia coast. (I realize Chez posted a reason) Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 15:59 Chezinu wrote:
## vote Radfield
aka abstaining for now.. because no one else would dare vote for him, right?
It's posts like these:
On June 11 2010 14:28 ohN wrote:
'Forgot about this game lol.
Interesting how we have a lot of greens claiming and not much else.
Everybody should keep claiming imo, puts the mafia in a tough spot and narrows down who we need to look at.
On June 11 2010 14:44 ohN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 14:39 citi.zen wrote:
Stating the obvious: the mafia decided to claim green. Nothing surprising there. I am green too -making the green count way too high. All we've done thus far is out 2 blues for the mafia to kill. Whole point of the plan is to get everybody to claim. If only like half of us claim it hurts us more than help.
Not much, but I don't see a better candidate right now... so w/e.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
So as many would have thought, we've ended up with a lot of people claiming green, myself amongst them. As citi.zen said, most likely there will be mafia hiding in this crowd, since we've only had two... wait a minute.
Hmm, MooCow and LuDwig-...
So we have two people claiming Detective. This is going to take some thought, since we also have a Tracker claim--meaning that there'd be a very minimal chance of there being two DTs. So obviously, one of them is lying.
...To PM land we go!
Oh also MooCow I'm not sure how you could have expected LuDwig- to "screw up" on Day 1 seeing as very little to mess up on.
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People you seriously need to get your votes in - thanks.
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Hold your horses flamewheel. L's "plan" awhile back asked vets to claim detective as well in order to confuse mafia.
And people calling me mafia (RoL I'm looking at you) because I mistakenly thought for a second that lynched millers flip townie are fucking retarded. I've been in games where millers were lynched so I never should have thought that, was just a temporary mistake (wasn't a matter of not looking at the rules). So who are we going to lynch today? Guess I'll start with voting for RoL since he started off accuse-happy and claimed townie. I'm always up for lynching MooCow though :D
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On June 12 2010 02:40 flamewheel wrote:
So as many would have thought, we've ended up with a lot of people claiming green, myself amongst them. As citi.zen said, most likely there will be mafia hiding in this crowd, since we've only had two... wait a minute.
Hmm, MooCow and LuDwig-...
So we have two people claiming Detective. This is going to take some thought, since we also have a Tracker claim--meaning that there'd be a very minimal chance of there being two DTs. So obviously, one of them is lying.
...To PM land we go!
Oh also MooCow I'm not sure how you could have expected LuDwig- to "screw up" on Day 1 seeing as very little to mess up on.
Yea there wasn't really that much to look out for but I thought a mafia would be likely to try an claim a blue role as soon as possible, which he did.
When Chezinu fake shot him, his reaction was funny and I just have a gut feeling he isn't blue/townie unless there happens to be 2 detectives which everyone is saying there is a low chance of that being.
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On June 11 2010 19:50 Radfield wrote:Right now I think we should be looking at AFJ and Jspazz as potential targets for ludwig's sanity check. Theoretically neither of you should be particularly opposed to sacrificing for the town if you're town aligned . Do people Agree? Disagree? Thoughts?
i don't mind being used as a sanity check but I would prefer not to be. also i don't agree with you that posting one-liners = mafia. it's just the way i post.
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Just read AFJ's posts and I guess he might be a vet or something role claiming a detective.
I guess that is fair but it seemed like he tried to role claim so quick.
I might be wrong but detectives just don't see that strong in this game. There's a 50% chance i'll be completely useless. i.e. Paranoid/Naive.
But if anything does happen to me I think it's safe to say you guys can try lynching LuDwig the next day.
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On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.
If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.
I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much.
haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__.
How to discover who is lying?
The plan is quite easy!
[blueTracker[/blue] checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night!
So we will know for sure who is lying
MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right?
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On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.
If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.
I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much. haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__. How to discover who is lying? The plan is quite easy! [blue Tracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night! So we will know for sure who is lying MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right? [/blue]
No, this won't work. What if one of you are the roleblocker? I believe the tracker would see you visiting somebody.
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Btw we shouldn't lynch Ludwig or MooCow because as of now what they have both claimed is legal by L's plan. We should either go after someone who claimed townie or someone who didn't claim anything.
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do you know if you're roleblocked or not? cause if the tracker follows the roleblocker and the person who is blocked knows he's roleblocked, then the roleblocker just revealed himself.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.
If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.
I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much. haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__. How to discover who is lying? The plan is quite easy! [blue Tracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night! So we will know for sure who is lying MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right? [/blue]
There are a lot of problems with having both "Detectives" visiting the same person, and having the Tracker following one of them. Will detail my messy thoughts below.
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On June 12 2010 02:50 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Hold your horses flamewheel. L's "plan" awhile back asked vets to claim detective as well in order to confuse mafia.
And people calling me mafia (RoL I'm looking at you) because I mistakenly thought for a second that lynched millers flip townie are fucking retarded. I've been in games where millers were lynched so I never should have thought that, was just a temporary mistake (wasn't a matter of not looking at the rules). So who are we going to lynch today? Guess I'll start with voting for RoL since he started off accuse-happy and claimed townie. I'm always up for lynching MooCow though :D
Suspect post - why would you be up for lynching a claimed blue?
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On June 12 2010 03:13 johnnyspazz wrote:
do you know if you're roleblocked or not? cause if the tracker follows the roleblocker and the person who is blocked knows he's roleblocked, then the roleblocker just revealed himself.
Yea the person you roleblocked will be informed that they were roleblocked.
I'm a bit fearful for my life now that i'm in the open like this so i'm going to ask if there are any kind medics around.
No offence to you LuDwig but is anyone else reading LuDwig posts with a bit of an Italian accent with his grammar and wordings or is it just me?
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On June 12 2010 03:12 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Btw we shouldn't lynch Ludwig or MooCow because as of now what they have both claimed is legal by L's plan. We should either go after someone who claimed townie or someone who didn't claim anything.
That's better.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 12 2010 03:12 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Btw we shouldn't lynch Ludwig or MooCow because as of now what they have both claimed is legal by L's plan. We should either go after someone who claimed townie or someone who didn't claim anything.
Agreed. Inactives (I relegate people who don't claim to this section) suck. However, I don't think we'll be having any of the four unclaimed people be inactive by traditional standards. Foolishness is always around, MooCow has proven to be active (though I have a very small sample size to work with), Chezinu spams and PMs, and meeple is always around. I believe if any of these people want/ed to claim, they can do so at their leisure. Lynching a green sounds okay to me because of this.
As for the "both DTs check one person and tracker watches one of the DTs" plan, I had a lot of "what if" thoughts typed up but I think I can list out a few of these points to make this plan ineffective:
1) We have two DTs? Mafia faking DT knows who town is, and so can always claim "sane" to get the right check since the OP states that checks come back Town or Mafia. A real DT won't be able to know his alignment after just one check, and he can be killed off before that (guess it's a medic-mafia cat-and-mouse game on that).
2) Incognito returns DT check results as soon as he gets to them. Forum mafia, as somebody has said above, is a linear game. How do we have the two DTs decide when to release results? Of course, this can easily be remedied by deciding on a set time to release the findings... still, look at 1. Inconclusive at best.
3) Ugh, I'm tired. While there are ways for which this plan can be made tenable, I'm sure, I haven't thought about it yet. Back to PM land...
Also I will not be around at the deadline time. I'll try to make a vote before I leave based on where the thread is at that point (in about 3 hours).
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 12 2010 03:18 MooCow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 03:13 johnnyspazz wrote:
do you know if you're roleblocked or not? cause if the tracker follows the roleblocker and the person who is blocked knows he's roleblocked, then the roleblocker just revealed himself. Yea the person you roleblocked will be informed that they were roleblocked. I'm a bit fearful for my life now that i'm in the open like this so i'm going to ask if there are any kind medics around. No offence to you LuDwig but is anyone else reading LuDwig posts with a bit of an Italian accent with his grammar and wordings or is it just me?
Might be just you...
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On June 12 2010 03:18 MooCow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 03:13 johnnyspazz wrote:
do you know if you're roleblocked or not? cause if the tracker follows the roleblocker and the person who is blocked knows he's roleblocked, then the roleblocker just revealed himself. No offence to you LuDwig but is anyone else reading LuDwig posts with a bit of an Italian accent with his grammar and wordings or is it just me?
Well I'm sure as hell going to now lol
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shit that was my 2000th... damn u mafia games! guess ill post something cool for my 20XYth.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
townie over here, sorry to disappoint
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(off game: i am really sorry for my poor english)
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Updated Role claim list:
Ludwig (Detective)
tree.hugger(Tracker)
MooCow(Detective)
Radfield
Ohn
johnnyspazz
AcrossFiveJulys
RebirthOfLeGenD
L
Flamewheel
redtooth
Vivi57
Foolishness
~Opz~
cit.izen
Still have meeple and Chezinu left to role claim.
As a DT I would have no problem doing any of the mentioned things to help the town but as flamewheel mentioned there's a lot of problems with DT's in terms of their sanity and trying to find it out.
I said this in an earlier post but with all the drawbacks of being a DT ( sanity ) I'd have no problem if mafia killed me and you guys somehow manage to figure out who did it. That'd be great for town.
I'll vote later because i'll be around before the time's up but currently Jspazz has the highest due to inactivity.
@LuDwig It's easy to understand and it's not poor at all. I was just saying that I think of an Italian accent when you do mess up.
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So only 2 people haven't role claimed yet... clearly people are lying because surely there are more blues than 3 and of course we know there are 4 mafia
It seems safe to say that mafia spread themselves out in the non-RC'd / townie / blue list. So we probably have 2 mafia that role claimed townie, 1 that claimed blue, and 1 that has not role claimed.
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Oh sorry, and off of that assumption we have a 50% chance to get a mafioso if we lynch one of the non-RC'd people (meeple or chezinu). Switching my vote to meeple.
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I'm voting JSpazz. My reasoning:
On June 12 2010 04:38 johnnyspazz wrote:
##Vote Ohn
won't be here when last minute votes are counted
1. He votes for me and offers no explanation as to why, not even a one-liner.
2. He conveniently says "won't be here" so we can't ask him why.
On June 12 2010 02:56 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 19:50 Radfield wrote:Right now I think we should be looking at AFJ and Jspazz as potential targets for ludwig's sanity check. Theoretically neither of you should be particularly opposed to sacrificing for the town if you're town aligned . Do people Agree? Disagree? Thoughts? i don't mind being used as a sanity check but I would prefer not to be. also i don't agree with you that posting one-liners = mafia. it's just the way i post.
I just think the bolded part is slightly suspicious.
None of this is really incriminating or points to a guaranteed red but I'm not suspicious of anybody else at the moment so I'm voting Jspazz kk?
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And I don't think either meeple or chezinu are suspicious at the moment.
Chezinu just spams the thread a lot but he's hardly ever mafia.
Meeple, to me, isn't anymore suspicious than anyone else who claimed town. He is usually active and posted a few times here I just don't think he had a chance to post his role yet.
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Hmmm tempted to switch to jspazz because of that ninja vote, his shitty posting, and claim that he'll be gone so he won't justify his vote. However, this behavior is also indicative of someone who is kinda disinterested in the game and is busy on a friday.
I'd be happy to change my vote from meeple to jspazz if meeple gets his pansy ass in here and opens his pansy mouth to give a non-pansy excuse for his pansy behavior.
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I have had a long PM discussion with meeple..
I really believe he his townie. From what he wrote he looked homest to be He was really helpfull interest in my detective strategy (expecially he was interested about my night checking!). He is a good contributor to townie strategy! really no suspect on that guy!
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The following players still need to vote:
flamewheel
Radfield
meeple
MooCow
L
Day ends at 10:00 KST. Please PM all night actions to both Korynne and Incognito. Thank you.
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If meeple wants to defend himself he can get his ass in here and do so rather than PM you ludwig.
Also, can we get some godamn activity in here?
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BAM i'm here to rescue you again AFJ!
So LuDwig claims he had a long PM discussion with Meeple. He said meeple was helpful and stuff and he's not suspicious of him. He also claims that meeple said he was a townie I believe LuDwig.
From Flamewheel posts I understand that "Meeple is always around". Which means he's probably played a few games before. What i'm thinking is could meeple be taking advantage of LuDwig because imo from this POST. LuDwig comes off as a new player to the game. I am too ( only my 2nd mafia game and I died near the start of my first. )
Also since meeple messaged LuDwig after LuDwig roleclaimed, why didn't meeple come out and also roleclaim his townie role like everyone else?
I'm not sure if meeple is a really kind helpful guy like AFJ or what not but I just thought i'd point this out.
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I kinda have to agree with MooCow here, meeple having a long conversation with ludwig and convincing him that he's townie is highly suspicious. Add to that he hasn't roleclaimed yet and I suggest we paint the walls red with meeple's blood and drink red smoothies made from his mashed red testicles.
And why yes MooCow thank you for pointing out how much of a fucking gentleman I am. I am a motherfucking KIND and HELPFUL mafia player.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Korynne, would you mind using the new TL time tags? It sure is easier to think in our own time zones(mind you, I'm 12 hours off exactly, so it's not a problem for me really)
I strongly disagree with lynching Jspazz right now, I still think we should use him as our sanity check.
Just posting this for reference:
Votes for ohN (2)
citi.zen
johnnyspazz
Votes for Radfield (1)
Chezinu
Votes for ~OpZ~ (1)
Vivi57
Votes for johnnyspazz (4)
tree.hugger
RebirthOfLegend
LuDwig-
ohN
Votes for meeple (4)
redtooth
AcrossFiveJulys
~OpZ~
Foolishness
Votes for flamewheel (1)
flamewheel
Meeple has yet to claim, though Ludwig seems to think he's town aligned. Given that Ludwig is basically a confirmed townie, that may be good enough. It's very possible meeple roleclaimed his true role to Ludwig. If this is the case, it may need to be made public as the votes come in. Chezinu also has yet to claim, but I'm not particularly worried about him....
Blue Roles: Seems very unlikely that we have two detectives, also seems unlikely that Ludwig is not a detective, as he roleclaimed very early on, and really doesn't seem like the type of player to roleclaim blue if he's mafia. Personally I think Moocow is lying, but he should get a pass for the moment given our claiming plan. He's an obvious target for the mafia, so if he hasn't died after a few nights, we start thinking about lynching him.
If any blue roles have claimed green in the thread(medics/vets/hatters etc.), you should think about roleclaiming to tree.hugger or ludwig, who strike me as very likely pro-town.
Lynch candidates for tonight seem to be meeple and Jspazz. I disagree with both of these choices. Unfortunately I don't have a real great alternative right now, as I don't have time to scour for people who are coasting. Redtooth and Foolishness both posted early on, but haven't given much input once the roleclaims really starting coming in, and haven't given input into lynching. Vivi57 kinda falls in this category as well. Probably other people as well. Also, I really don't like that Flamewheel voted for himself, abstaining is a bad thing for the town, but he's probably town, as I doubt a mafia would want to draw attention to himself.
Honestly AcrossFiveJulys(and Citi.zen for that matter) still strikes me as possible mafia, but he's been active, which is worth a lot of suspicion. I'd honestly rather have an active mafia then an inactive townie.
Here is the order of roleclaims for reference:
1 tree.hugger tracker
2 ohN Townie
3 LuDwig- Detective
4 Radfield Townie
5 johnnyspazz Townie
6 AcrossFiveJulys Townie
7 RebirthOfLeGend Townie
8 L Townie
9 flamewheel Townie
10 Vivi57 Townie
11 redtooth Townie
12 citi.zen Townie
13 ~OpZ~ Townie
14 MooCow Detective
15 Foolishness Townie
Chezinu
meeple
We really need more activity in the thread, though it can be assumed that PM's are happening behind the scenes. For now redtooth gets my vote unless he starts posting some more. I may change later.
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Ahaha... why is when I leave the thread it turns into a "I hate meeple crapfest"... for christ's sake people just relax. I'm bound to scramble in here on the deadline in any case.
I am a watcher so that settle everyone down a bit. Chez might not ever rc... whatever. I never roleclaimed to Ludwig~ and he should check his pms to confirm, since I definitely never told him that. I was talking with Ludwig since I wanted to get an idea why he roleclaimed so quickly with L's plan and whether or not I can trust him or not. I'll be back in a bit with my vote on who to lynch and the reasoning in a little bit.
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Ok so we have 1 tracker, 1 watcher, and 2 detectives claimed. This makes sense according to L's plan, as 2 of them are hatter/vets and are lying. If you have claimed townie or have not RC'd at all and are one of the roles that should be claiming tracker/watcher then do so immediately so we have a better idea of whether there are mafia hiding in the blue RCs. Otherwise we can probably trust the RC'd blues.
Changing my vote from meeple to redtooth as per radfield's above reasoning. If meeple is lying we can probably figure it out later.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
interesting, well we certainly don't have a watcher, 2 dt's and a tracker, but we may have 4 blue roles. All blue claimers are safe for tonight as far as I'm concerned, so I recommend people to not Meeple. Jspazz if we must, but not meeple.
DOCTOR: you should think long and hard about protecting tree.hugger as he is our most confirmed townie. But don't be afraid to protect one of the other blue claimers as well. Seems likely one of them will die.
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There's no "I hate meeple funfest"
I only gave my thoughts about you because of what LuDwig said and you have to admit it was a bit suspicious.
Voting for Jspazz though due to inactivity and him voting someone then saying he wont be here to change if needed etc.
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radfield why do you think tree.hugger is our most confirmed? because he RC'd first? that's not necessarily 100% townie behavior, because if he's a mafia who realized that L's plan sucks he's the one that set it in motion by being the first to RC...
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On June 12 2010 08:08 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
radfield why do you think tree.hugger is our most confirmed? because he RC'd first? that's not necessarily 100% townie behavior, because if he's a mafia who realized that L's plan sucks he's the one that set it in motion by being the first to RC...
I think it's because he RCed first and he claimed blue meaning he can tell us what he did at night and if he lies about it, we'll find out sooner or later.
I think everyone who claimed blue is probably townie as they're going to be looked at by town for what happened at night.
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On June 12 2010 08:04 MooCow wrote:
There's no "I hate meeple funfest"
I only gave my thoughts about you because of what LuDwig said and you have to admit it was a bit suspicious.
Voting for Jspazz though due to inactivity and him voting someone then saying he wont be here to change if needed etc.
Yeah, I do agree that a private conversation with Ludwig and that it didn't turn out to be my actual role is suspicious, I'm just surprised because it seems that whenever I'm gone for any time and involved in a mafia game, then people turn against me so easily.
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Is there anyone specific that the town in general wants to be inspected from the DT?
If no one has anyone specific I think i'll just check the 2nd person with the most votes for lynching.
Also remember the sanity thing. Insane, Sane, Paranoid and Naive.
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Ok so my thoughts and my vote...
I'm not sure about MooCow lying... although for sure if there are two dts... then one of them is insane/paranoid, since that wouldn't really affect the balance at all... and might actually serve to hurt the town. If MooCow is lying... it'd be so easy to just say "Oh, I'm paranoid" since he keeps mentioning that his sanity is unknown repeatedly... so I'm not sure about him yet.
Johnnyspazz is a little fishy... but I'm not really that convinced since it's basically like lynching an inactive. He just hasn't really participated that much... or given his thoughts on anything. The mafia might be trying to push his lynch through since he doesn't really do anything to defend himself. On the other hand, his unwillingness to be the sanity check is strange... and tends to lean me the other way.
AFJ was looking a little red... well more like a pinkish hue... because his voting tendencies seemed really suspect, but after looking through his posts, I'm putting him on the backburner for now.
So... at the moment I'm going to vote johnnyspazz... here's to wishing for red tonight.
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If Korynne isn't around to post the Night Post, I'll be very late in doing so. But you can start sending night actions whenever. Please send Night actions to both me and Korynne. Night actions are due by 7:00 EDT on Saturday.
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Shit I'm back, voting timeeeeeeeeeeeee
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On June 12 2010 08:03 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Ok so we have 1 tracker, 1 watcher, and 2 detectives claimed. This makes sense according to L's plan, as 2 of them are hatter/vets and are lying. If you have claimed townie or have not RC'd at all and are one of the roles that should be claiming tracker/watcher then do so immediately so we have a better idea of whether there are mafia hiding in the blue RCs. Otherwise we can probably trust the RC'd blues.
Changing my vote from meeple to redtooth as per radfield's above reasoning. If meeple is lying we can probably figure it out later.
That sounds about right if we have a medic who's refused to claim and that one of the DTs is a Vet/Hatter.
If no one's lying thusfar, that's pretty odd, because that would mean there's no Dvig, and quite frankly introducing a new role then not using it is pretty fucked.
So the Dvig has thus refused to claim, which is kinda odd given that I'd have expected him to get priority for medic protection, but the alternative scenario, a mafia Dvig, is unlikely unless we have multiple townie liars.
So yeah, good showing but there's 1-2 holdouts that are kinda fucking stage 2. Please do not use your night roles until I give you brosefs some heads up. Don't want to give a mafia Dvig the chance to sacrifice himself to prevent an assured win by spilling the beans now.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On June 12 2010 08:08 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
radfield why do you think tree.hugger is our most confirmed? because he RC'd first? that's not necessarily 100% townie behavior, because if he's a mafia who realized that L's plan sucks he's the one that set it in motion by being the first to RC...
Because unless I'm some kind of mafia genius, roleclaiming a highly visible role as mafia within hours of L posting his plan would be highly improbable.
Also, Chezinu actually has claimed... pay attention, he snuck it in there...
Also, things to note. I would greatly appreciate some medic protection tonight, but the medic should also seriously consider any of our other claimed blues. Might want to flip a coin to decide, make it risky for the mafia to target anyone. But then again, I'm the obvious target for saving.
Looks to me like the mafia has chosen to go 3-1 into townies and blues. As per usual mafia behavior, these claims are likely fairly evenly dispersed in time. If our hatters/vets have done their job correctly, they're also in the group of blues, which means that an errant mafia bullet and the person survives, or maybe a mafia explodes!
I'll be tracking some mafia down tonight, let's see if it gets me into any trouble...
Keep in PM contact, yes?
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It appears that majority is not required for lynching, night post will be up within 5 minutes.
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Image stolen from some mafia game flamewheel91 ran.
Night 1:
There was quite a bit of chatter as the town crowded around the platform. It was a surprisingly clear night outside, not even a wisp of cloud could be seen. Johnnyspazz walked quietly up the steps, one at a time.
The noose went around his neck.
The town's chatter immediately died down.
The platform dropped and the only thing to be heard in the night air was a crisp crack, as johnnyspazz's neck broke and his body flopped on the noose.
The town held it's breath...
+ Show Spoiler +
johnnyspazz the townie has been lynched.
Day 1 is over, and it is Night 1. Night 1 will run until Sunday, Jun 13 1:30am GMT (GMT+00:00). Please PM your night action to both Korynne and Incognito before that time. Thank you.
+ Show Spoiler +P.S. Let me know what you think of the spoiler format, I think it helps with the suspense rather than seeing coloured text jump out at you while trying to read the post.
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Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz.
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damn.
On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz.
Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo.
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On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo.
I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz.
Absolutely.
We should also decide on a day 2 lynch candidate, so whomever our dt checks, we can lynch them day 2, and get closer to narrowing down their sanity.
I'm leaning towards a low activity townie (redtooth, foolishness, vivi) or AFJ. DT's feel free to use your own discretion, but be prepared to lynch whomever you check tonight.
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Feel free to waste a role check on me. But I suggest redtooth or foolishness (I PMd foolishness asking about his vote earlier and got no reply).
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On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates.
Yup... totally welcome this. I'll flip a coin to watch tree.hugger or Ludwig
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On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates.
Please do not send in your night action right away!!!
Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets.
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On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Please do not send in your night action right away!!! Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets.
If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid?
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On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Please do not send in your night action right away!!! Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets. If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid?
Too many if's. We see what happens and then go from there.
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On June 12 2010 11:30 ohN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Please do not send in your night action right away!!! Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets. If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid? Too many if's. We see what happens and then go from there.
Ah... there's only one 'if"
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On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Please do not send in your night action right away!!! Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets. If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid? Why exactly are you asking me instead of doing some thinking on your own?
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On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Please do not send in your night action right away!!! Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets. If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid?
I'll wait for the town to decide whoever they want checked out.
I just threw my idea out there because no one else had any.
If I were mafia I wouldn't of risked myself by coming out and saying i'm the 2ND DT in the game with everyone believing that there is only 1 DT in the first place. I welcome any watcher/tracker.
Well there's a 50% chance i'm completely useless in terms of checking people out and on top of that making people believe I am protown.
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Ok since we have 2 DT's and we need to figure out their sanity how about both LuDwig and I check the same person and respond with our results.
While having the watchers and trackers on us and our targets? Then we can try and work something out with the information we get.
I know there's a lot of drawbacks to this method but it's just a suggestion for the time being.
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On June 12 2010 11:35 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Please do not send in your night action right away!!! Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets. If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid? Why exactly are you asking me instead of doing some thinking on your own?
lol well apparently you're the man with the plan... also I was asking the town. No need to get all defensive
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Please do not send in your night action right away!!! Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets.
Okay back. Oops JSpazz?
Radfield I vote for myself knowing the prevalence of bandwagons, thus didn't want to add to either JSpazz or meeple.
Yeah L is right, especially in Incognito's case--he doesn't allow changes for DT checks, not sure about the other actions. DT checks are also returned as soon as possible, remember?
Given that we have claims from 2 DTs, a watcher, and a tracker, how would it be to consolidate everything? Say like...
MooCow and LuDwig- check meeple. meeple flips a coin to watch one of the two. tree.hugger flips a coin to track one of the two. Out of all this we should be able to get something, at least...
(50% chance that watcher and tracker find the same target, so...
Thoughts?
Also:
On June 12 2010 11:37 MooCow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Please do not send in your night action right away!!! Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets. If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid? I'll wait for the town to decide whoever they want checked out. I just threw my idea out there because no one else had any. If I were mafia I wouldn't of risked myself by coming out and saying i'm the 2ND DT in the game with everyone believing that there is only 1 DT in the first place. I welcome any watcher/tracker. Well there's a 50% chance i'm completely useless in terms of checking people out and on top of that making people believe I am protown.
WiFOM, don't use it. There are so many damn 'ifs'.
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On June 12 2010 11:51 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 11:35 L wrote:On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Please do not send in your night action right away!!! Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets. If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid? Why exactly are you asking me instead of doing some thinking on your own? lol well apparently you're the man with the plan... also I was asking the town. No need to get all defensive
I'm not being defensive. I'm wondering why you're purposely not answering your own question. This post hasn't really answered the question either, so feel free to get to it whenever you feel like doing some work.
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damn sucks i wasn't around to post more
oh well gl town
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Good morning town! (or good night in the game)
I am agree with moocow strategy..check the same target to understand our sanity! Tell me who!
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ok, so my reason for voting opz:
On June 11 2010 01:53 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm not sure. Usually I agree with the inactive lynch and more discussion, but as Radfield said, inactivity should not be a problem this game. Role claiming usually comes as a last resort? Why would we push for roleclaiming THIS early. It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
I'd guess the mafia are planning privately right now. So they probably aren't posting too much. If we're serious about this role claiming, we're giving them a lot to decide. Who claims what, risk/reward type shit.
But since we've had a dt claim we can use him to our advantage. So we must get his sanity established...Do we have him check somebody, and then lynch the person the next day? Just check and hope mafia kills the person? Maybe he's paranoid? Lots of problems come up from this.
I dunno what the best course of action is, I'm not usually that good at coming up with plans for the town.
=(
That post as many pointed out does alot of speculating on what mafia are doing so immediately he was noted as probably mafia.
At the point where all but 6 had claimed, I guessed 2-3 scum still hadn't claimed, opz on the list. Which made him the best suspect at the time. Also placed that vote incase I didn't get back to the thread before voting closed.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Our DT's checking the same person is a great idea, but the thing we have to remember is that we need to lynch whomever they check in order to start establishing sanity. I think we should figure out who we want to lynch tomorrow, and investigate them tonight.
If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid?
We act the exact same way as if it came back green, we lynch them.
I think that the medic should protect Meeple tonight, and that Meeple should watch tree.hugger. That should protect our watcher and tracker, and if the mafia decides to go after one of the dt's then at least it clears up some of the confusion for the town. If the mafia goes after me as per usual, that's great because it buys the town more time. Anyone who has claimed green should NOT be getting protection.
Of course there is a good chance that some of our blue claimers are vets/hatters, but we can let the mafia stew over that.
Targets for tonights investigations and the day 2 lynch:
Scummy in my eyes
~opz~
AFJ
citi.zen
Not active enough
Redtooth
Foolishness
I think we should be looking at targets who claimed near the end of the roleclaim. Mafia were likely trying to see whether we had a glut of green claims or blue claims, and where it would be easiest to hide.
9 flamewheel
10 Vivi57
11 redtooth
12 citi.zen
13 ~OpZ~
14 MooCow
15 Foolishness
16 meeple
Chezinu
Moocow and meeple get a pass from any lynchs for the moment, as they will probably start dying anyways, and if they survive we can deal with them then.
Discounting Chez as a crazy person, that makes the last five green to claim Vivi, redtooth, citi.zen, Opz and foolishness
Thoughts?
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I suppose we should start with not active enough people...
they are not usefull to town both as towny or scum..
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 12 2010 19:52 LuDwig- wrote:
I suppose we should start with not active enough people...
they are not usefull to town both as towny or scum..
Agreed, although it's still early in the game and everyone has contributed at least some. The more I think about it the more it seems like we should just check/lynch whoever seems most scummy.
I'd like to hear other peoples opinions on who to lynch though.
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On June 12 2010 20:19 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 19:52 LuDwig- wrote:
I suppose we should start with not active enough people...
they are not usefull to town both as towny or scum.. Agreed, although it's still early in the game and everyone has contributed at least some. The more I think about it the more it seems like we should just check/lynch whoever seems most scummy. I'd like to hear other peoples opinions on who to lynch though.
My opinion is that, rather than speculating endlessly on who is more or less "active" (ie - posting nonsense) we should wait for the night actions to come in.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 12 2010 22:45 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 20:19 Radfield wrote:On June 12 2010 19:52 LuDwig- wrote:
I suppose we should start with not active enough people...
they are not usefull to town both as towny or scum.. Agreed, although it's still early in the game and everyone has contributed at least some. The more I think about it the more it seems like we should just check/lynch whoever seems most scummy. I'd like to hear other peoples opinions on who to lynch though. My opinion is that, rather than speculating endlessly on who is more or less "active" (ie - posting nonsense) we should wait for the night actions to come in.
The reason we should discuss this now, is because we need to decide on a day 2 lynch candidate during night one. The best way to begin to establish sanity is to lynch whomever the dt's check. So while we could just leave it up to them to decide, I think it makes more sense to discuss it as a group and figure out who the best target is.
Your plan is to not bother having people post for the next 10 hours and just wait for the night to end?
I realize we don't have a lot of information to go on right now, but that's why we need to encourage people to post their thoughts. And we do have some info, we have the Day 1 votes, our role-claims, the order the role-claims came in, and everyone's (short) posting history. It's enough for some conjecture.
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On June 12 2010 12:56 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 11:51 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:35 L wrote:On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Please do not send in your night action right away!!! Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets. If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid? Why exactly are you asking me instead of doing some thinking on your own? lol well apparently you're the man with the plan... also I was asking the town. No need to get all defensive I'm not being defensive. I'm wondering why you're purposely not answering your own question. This post hasn't really answered the question either, so feel free to get to it whenever you feel like doing some work.
It was a question to make people think and discuss... if they're both checking the same person (me?) then we can see which detective to trust and kinda follow their lead.
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On June 13 2010 02:25 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 12:56 L wrote:On June 12 2010 11:51 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:35 L wrote:On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Please do not send in your night action right away!!! Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets. If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid? Why exactly are you asking me instead of doing some thinking on your own? lol well apparently you're the man with the plan... also I was asking the town. No need to get all defensive I'm not being defensive. I'm wondering why you're purposely not answering your own question. This post hasn't really answered the question either, so feel free to get to it whenever you feel like doing some work. It was a question to make people think and discuss... if they're both checking the same person (me?) then we can see which detective to trust and kinda follow their lead.
I think we should check on someone that we want to lynch to help find out the sanity level of the DTs.
So we should decide on someone soon because the night is almost over. ACTIVITY?!
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On June 13 2010 02:46 MooCow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 02:25 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 12:56 L wrote:On June 12 2010 11:51 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:35 L wrote:On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Please do not send in your night action right away!!! Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets. If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid? Why exactly are you asking me instead of doing some thinking on your own? lol well apparently you're the man with the plan... also I was asking the town. No need to get all defensive I'm not being defensive. I'm wondering why you're purposely not answering your own question. This post hasn't really answered the question either, so feel free to get to it whenever you feel like doing some work. It was a question to make people think and discuss... if they're both checking the same person (me?) then we can see which detective to trust and kinda follow their lead. I think we should check on someone that we want to lynch to help find out the sanity level of the DTs. So we should decide on someone soon because the night is almost over. ACTIVITY?!
The problem with checking someone that we want to lynch... is that they might turn up red and while that would bag up some red it also wouldn't tell us anything about the sanity of the cops.
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On June 13 2010 02:50 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 02:46 MooCow wrote:On June 13 2010 02:25 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 12:56 L wrote:On June 12 2010 11:51 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:35 L wrote:On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:
damn.
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Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Please do not send in your night action right away!!! Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets. If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid? Why exactly are you asking me instead of doing some thinking on your own? lol well apparently you're the man with the plan... also I was asking the town. No need to get all defensive I'm not being defensive. I'm wondering why you're purposely not answering your own question. This post hasn't really answered the question either, so feel free to get to it whenever you feel like doing some work. It was a question to make people think and discuss... if they're both checking the same person (me?) then we can see which detective to trust and kinda follow their lead. I think we should check on someone that we want to lynch to help find out the sanity level of the DTs. So we should decide on someone soon because the night is almost over. ACTIVITY?! The problem with checking someone that we want to lynch... is that they might turn up red and while that would bag up some red it also wouldn't tell us anything about the sanity of the cops.
Eh?! Getting a red like that is totally worth not knowing the sanity level of the DT's imo.
Besides it only slows the us down by a bit if we don't know the DT sanity level but it's a huge gain getting a mafia.
What do you guys think of Chez? If he is going to get mod killed from inactivity we can experiment on him. I hope not though because he seems like a fun mafia guy to play with.
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On June 12 2010 07:47 Radfield wrote:
Blue Roles: Seems very unlikely that we have two detectives, also seems unlikely that Ludwig is not a detective, as he roleclaimed very early on, and really doesn't seem like the type of player to roleclaim blue if he's mafia. Personally I think Moocow is lying, but he should get a pass for the moment given our claiming plan. He's an obvious target for the mafia, so if he hasn't died after a few nights, we start thinking about lynching him.
If any blue roles have claimed green in the thread(medics/vets/hatters etc.), you should think about roleclaiming to tree.hugger or ludwig, who strike me as very likely pro-town.
Lynch candidates for tonight seem to be meeple and Jspazz. I disagree with both of these choices. Unfortunately I don't have a real great alternative right now, as I don't have time to scour for people who are coasting. Redtooth and Foolishness both posted early on, but haven't given much input once the roleclaims really starting coming in, and haven't given input into lynching. Vivi57 kinda falls in this category as well. Probably other people as well. Also, I really don't like that Flamewheel voted for himself, abstaining is a bad thing for the town, but he's probably town, as I doubt a mafia would want to draw attention to himself.
Honestly AcrossFiveJulys(and Citi.zen for that matter) still strikes me as possible mafia, but he's been active, which is worth a lot of suspicion. I'd honestly rather have an active mafia then an inactive townie.
In reference to the mafia hitting moocow, or ludwig, one would prob be med protected and the other is prob a vet or hatter...So killing him after a few days if he lives (and doesn't take a hit), which he is almost guaranteed to do because the mafia won't want to fuck themselves over would be kinda pointless...I feel it would be a waste of a lynch to lynch moocow. Ludwig claimed first, and language barrier/relative mafia newbie, I'd take his claim as the real...But don't disregard MooCow's claim, because he most assuredly is blue.
On June 12 2010 07:51 meeple wrote:
Ahaha... why is when I leave the thread it turns into a "I hate meeple crapfest"... for christ's sake people just relax. I'm bound to scramble in here on the deadline in any case.
I am a watcher so that settle everyone down a bit. Chez might not ever rc... whatever. I never roleclaimed to Ludwig~ and he should check his pms to confirm, since I definitely never told him that. I was talking with Ludwig since I wanted to get an idea why he roleclaimed so quickly with L's plan and whether or not I can trust him or not. I'll be back in a bit with my vote on who to lynch and the reasoning in a little bit.
You should of been pming tree.hugger, he claimed FIRST. Not to mention he doesn't even really like L...lmao -_-...Silly rabbit.
On June 12 2010 08:08 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
radfield why do you think tree.hugger is our most confirmed? because he RC'd first? that's not necessarily 100% townie behavior, because if he's a mafia who realized that L's plan sucks he's the one that set it in motion by being the first to RC...
Again, we agree. Tree.Hugger doesn't even like L...Kinda weird he was the first to jump on L's plan...You know...Given L didn't even jump on his own plan? -_-
On June 12 2010 11:35 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 11:30 ohN wrote:On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Please do not send in your night action right away!!! Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets. If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid? Too many if's. We see what happens and then go from there. Ah... there's only one 'if"
4, naive, paranoid, insane...and sane and actually found a mafia...
Anyway, if it comes back red? We lynch. Duh?...And we just believe he's insane....Unless it comes back green the some day in the future.
Also, I'm scummy for posting my idea on what the mafia will probably do? I was COMPLETELY against L's plan to role claim? Why the hell would I go along with a plan I feel is retarded? A5J seemed to of agreed with that logic, but people started without any real discussion of L's plan and just decided to follow it. -_-
On June 12 2010 23:17 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 22:45 citi.zen wrote:On June 12 2010 20:19 Radfield wrote:On June 12 2010 19:52 LuDwig- wrote:
I suppose we should start with not active enough people...
they are not usefull to town both as towny or scum.. Agreed, although it's still early in the game and everyone has contributed at least some. The more I think about it the more it seems like we should just check/lynch whoever seems most scummy. I'd like to hear other peoples opinions on who to lynch though. My opinion is that, rather than speculating endlessly on who is more or less "active" (ie - posting nonsense) we should wait for the night actions to come in. The reason we should discuss this now, is because we need to decide on a day 2 lynch candidate during night one. The best way to begin to establish sanity is to lynch whomever the dt's check. So while we could just leave it up to them to decide, I think it makes more sense to discuss it as a group and figure out who the best target is. Your plan is to not bother having people post for the next 10 hours and just wait for the night to end? I realize we don't have a lot of information to go on right now, but that's why we need to encourage people to post their thoughts. And we do have some info, we have the Day 1 votes, our role-claims, the order the role-claims came in, and everyone's (short) posting history. It's enough for some conjecture.
I liked moocow's idea or checking meeple. He had the second most votes, but that doesn't mean much. It was his idea. BUT Meeple did claim watcher soooooo....Lol...I think that puts a big X on that idea...
On June 13 2010 03:00 MooCow wrote:
What do you guys think of Chez? If he is going to get mod killed from inactivity we can experiment on him. I hope not though because he seems like a fun mafia guy to play with.
Chez...Inactive? Lulz...You better enjoy the quiet moments while you can. Lol.
P.s. if they turn up red, lynch red....you either sane or paranoid....So...we would kinda have it down unless they hit another red the next night...(Who was nailing the fuck outta faction leaders in Caller's game? Lmao...epic dt status)
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Hitting a red or hitting a blue is the same thing for sanity -___-
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bookmarked for usa england
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On June 13 2010 03:28 Bill Murray wrote:
bookmarked for usa england
Bomberman?!
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On June 13 2010 03:00 MooCow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 02:50 meeple wrote:On June 13 2010 02:46 MooCow wrote:On June 13 2010 02:25 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 12:56 L wrote:On June 12 2010 11:51 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:35 L wrote:On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:
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I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Please do not send in your night action right away!!! Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets. If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid? Why exactly are you asking me instead of doing some thinking on your own? lol well apparently you're the man with the plan... also I was asking the town. No need to get all defensive I'm not being defensive. I'm wondering why you're purposely not answering your own question. This post hasn't really answered the question either, so feel free to get to it whenever you feel like doing some work. It was a question to make people think and discuss... if they're both checking the same person (me?) then we can see which detective to trust and kinda follow their lead. I think we should check on someone that we want to lynch to help find out the sanity level of the DTs. So we should decide on someone soon because the night is almost over. ACTIVITY?! The problem with checking someone that we want to lynch... is that they might turn up red and while that would bag up some red it also wouldn't tell us anything about the sanity of the cops. Eh?! Getting a red like that is totally worth not knowing the sanity level of the DT's imo. Besides it only slows the us down by a bit if we don't know the DT sanity level but it's a huge gain getting a mafia. What do you guys think of Chez? If he is going to get mod killed from inactivity we can experiment on him. I hope not though because he seems like a fun mafia guy to play with.
Yeah you're right... it was just something that occurred to me.
I don't agree with lynching Chez on the grounds of inactivity though. If I have some time to go through posts I'll come up with more suspects.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 13 2010 04:07 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 03:00 MooCow wrote:On June 13 2010 02:50 meeple wrote:On June 13 2010 02:46 MooCow wrote:On June 13 2010 02:25 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 12:56 L wrote:On June 12 2010 11:51 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:35 L wrote:On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:02 L wrote:
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Please do not send in your night action right away!!!
Important that we talk about our 2 DT check targets. If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid? Why exactly are you asking me instead of doing some thinking on your own? lol well apparently you're the man with the plan... also I was asking the town. No need to get all defensive I'm not being defensive. I'm wondering why you're purposely not answering your own question. This post hasn't really answered the question either, so feel free to get to it whenever you feel like doing some work. It was a question to make people think and discuss... if they're both checking the same person (me?) then we can see which detective to trust and kinda follow their lead. I think we should check on someone that we want to lynch to help find out the sanity level of the DTs. So we should decide on someone soon because the night is almost over. ACTIVITY?! The problem with checking someone that we want to lynch... is that they might turn up red and while that would bag up some red it also wouldn't tell us anything about the sanity of the cops. Eh?! Getting a red like that is totally worth not knowing the sanity level of the DT's imo. Besides it only slows the us down by a bit if we don't know the DT sanity level but it's a huge gain getting a mafia. What do you guys think of Chez? If he is going to get mod killed from inactivity we can experiment on him. I hope not though because he seems like a fun mafia guy to play with. Yeah you're right... it was just something that occurred to me. I don't agree with lynching Chez on the grounds of inactivity though. If I have some time to go through posts I'll come up with more suspects.
Oh he's not inactive. He'll be working behind the scenes, plus there isn't too much to analyze on the first cycle...
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Oh wait, I forgot--in past games like XV if one were a Detective of unknown alignment he or she could PM the host the supposed alignment, and if correct would get back the correct check results. Is this true for this game, Incognito?
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On June 13 2010 04:46 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 04:07 meeple wrote:On June 13 2010 03:00 MooCow wrote:On June 13 2010 02:50 meeple wrote:On June 13 2010 02:46 MooCow wrote:On June 13 2010 02:25 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 12:56 L wrote:On June 12 2010 11:51 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:35 L wrote:On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:
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If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid? Why exactly are you asking me instead of doing some thinking on your own? lol well apparently you're the man with the plan... also I was asking the town. No need to get all defensive I'm not being defensive. I'm wondering why you're purposely not answering your own question. This post hasn't really answered the question either, so feel free to get to it whenever you feel like doing some work. It was a question to make people think and discuss... if they're both checking the same person (me?) then we can see which detective to trust and kinda follow their lead. I think we should check on someone that we want to lynch to help find out the sanity level of the DTs. So we should decide on someone soon because the night is almost over. ACTIVITY?! The problem with checking someone that we want to lynch... is that they might turn up red and while that would bag up some red it also wouldn't tell us anything about the sanity of the cops. Eh?! Getting a red like that is totally worth not knowing the sanity level of the DT's imo. Besides it only slows the us down by a bit if we don't know the DT sanity level but it's a huge gain getting a mafia. What do you guys think of Chez? If he is going to get mod killed from inactivity we can experiment on him. I hope not though because he seems like a fun mafia guy to play with. Yeah you're right... it was just something that occurred to me. I don't agree with lynching Chez on the grounds of inactivity though. If I have some time to go through posts I'll come up with more suspects. Oh he's not inactive. He'll be working behind the scenes, plus there isn't too much to analyze on the first cycle...
Step 1: eliminate uselessness argument
Step 2: The activity argument..
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On June 13 2010 04:47 flamewheel wrote:
Oh wait, I forgot--in past games like XV if one were a Detective of unknown alignment he or she could PM the host the supposed alignment, and if correct would get back the correct check results. Is this true for this game, Incognito?
No.
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If you have a night action please get it in as soon as possible. Thanks.
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Rolechecked AFJ.
Now i am going to bed. I will tell you the result when I will wake up
(admin doesn't PM me back yet)
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Also please send your night actions to both Korynne and myself. This is very important.
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On June 13 2010 06:41 LuDwig- wrote:Rolechecked AFJ. Now i am going to bed. I will tell you the result when I will wake up (admin doesn't PM me back yet)
lol guess I get to be the sacrificial townie. (suppose it would be in the interest of the town to lynch me no matter what I role check as if the town trusts ludwig)
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Hmm I thought we were going to decide and try and get a plan into motion?
Is it just LuDwig throwing in his vote for AFJ?
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afj I have nothing against you..i simply get one random townie excluding the blue roles (killing a blue role is too much for a sanity check)
However we hae also moocow..so moocow plz check the same target at least it will be a usefull sacrifice!
(and hoping god we will kill a mafioso!XD)
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moocow there are 2 hours until night finishes(and im going o bed so i could not write after now my action)..and there was no plan decided..however you are free to chooes another target so the town will have two target tomorrow to decide who lynch
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Likelihood of dying tonight: High
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On June 13 2010 04:46 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 04:07 meeple wrote:On June 13 2010 03:00 MooCow wrote:On June 13 2010 02:50 meeple wrote:On June 13 2010 02:46 MooCow wrote:On June 13 2010 02:25 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 12:56 L wrote:On June 12 2010 11:51 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:35 L wrote:On June 12 2010 11:26 meeple wrote:
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If one of our dt's checks come back red... do we act? How likely is he paranoid? How likely is he's really mafia and just pretending to be paranoid? Why exactly are you asking me instead of doing some thinking on your own? lol well apparently you're the man with the plan... also I was asking the town. No need to get all defensive I'm not being defensive. I'm wondering why you're purposely not answering your own question. This post hasn't really answered the question either, so feel free to get to it whenever you feel like doing some work. It was a question to make people think and discuss... if they're both checking the same person (me?) then we can see which detective to trust and kinda follow their lead. I think we should check on someone that we want to lynch to help find out the sanity level of the DTs. So we should decide on someone soon because the night is almost over. ACTIVITY?! The problem with checking someone that we want to lynch... is that they might turn up red and while that would bag up some red it also wouldn't tell us anything about the sanity of the cops. Eh?! Getting a red like that is totally worth not knowing the sanity level of the DT's imo. Besides it only slows the us down by a bit if we don't know the DT sanity level but it's a huge gain getting a mafia. What do you guys think of Chez? If he is going to get mod killed from inactivity we can experiment on him. I hope not though because he seems like a fun mafia guy to play with. Yeah you're right... it was just something that occurred to me. I don't agree with lynching Chez on the grounds of inactivity though. If I have some time to go through posts I'll come up with more suspects. Oh he's not inactive. He'll be working behind the scenes, plus there isn't too much to analyze on the first cycle... chezinu is the charliemurphy of the mafia forum. there is no such thing as him "working behind the scenes" lol.
On June 13 2010 07:04 Radfield wrote:Likelihood of dying tonight: High trust me, you're not that important. on that point, only 1 person in this game is really "important" enough to warrant a kill without having claimed blue. and that person is L. when he's alive tomorrow, we have some serious questions to ask.
btw to those jumping on me for inactivity, i'm keeping up with the thread. i'm just not refreshing it every 5 seconds like i used to in previous games since i got burned out quickly by retarded flawed arguments. this game there just seems to be more spam though.
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Day 2
After all the commotion in the court room the previous day, things got even more hectic in Liquidia. Some tried to fumble for a plan of order, but most people seemed to exhausted to even think.
Later that night, tree.hugger stealthily tiptoed down the alley, moving toward one of the houses at the end of the block. The street was silent except for the sound of a few mice and other vermin running through the streets. Walking by a bar, tree.hugger was puzzled to note that the bar was empty, though it was only 11pm at night. Peering in, all he saw was a fireplace burning brightly and a cup of hot coffee sitting on the coffee table next to one of the couches (I forgot to put a coffee reference in the day 1 post. Silly me!). Worried that something might be wrong and fearing for his life, tree.hugger quickly ran from the bar as fast as possible so that he could finish his job and go home. He ran past the post office, but was too busy thinking to even notice that someone had been following him.
The next few events happened in a blur. tree.hugger was unsure if he heard the shriek before some claws sunk into his back, or if he felt the claws before hearing the shriek. Either way, tree.hugger was stunned and could not move to turn around and face his attacker. Luckily, tree.hugger was at least able to see another attacker come from the front and shoot him twice in both kneecaps. Unfortunately, he couldn't tell who it was. Although he was hoping he would faint from the pain, he could not, and spent the next two hours with his face in a ditch before finally bleeding to death.
tree.hugger the Tracker is now dead.
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The game has begun. Day 2 voting for lynch starts now and will end on Monday at at 9:00PM EST. Please vote in the thread located here.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
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Hey guys, just wanted to let you know I got role blocked last night. Guess the mafia thought I was blue. What this is means is that if no one else claims to have been role blocked last night, this is evidence for me being town-aligned, which means that we should be able to narrow down what kind of detective ludwig is. Of course, there is the possibility that if I was mafia, mafia could waste a role block on me to create this exact situation to prevent me from being lynched, but hey, I'm just saying what happened.
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Hold on - a roleblocked townie is announced he got blocked?
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 13 2010 08:15 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Hey guys, just wanted to let you know I got role blocked last night. Guess the mafia thought I was blue. What this is means is that if no one else claims to have been role blocked last night, this is evidence for me being town-aligned, which means that we should be able to narrow down what kind of detective ludwig is. Of course, there is the possibility that if I was mafia, mafia could waste a role block on me to create this exact situation to prevent me from being lynched, but hey, I'm just saying what happened.
Hmm. You getting role blocked seems really random, I would have thought that it would be obvious for the mafia to role block our watcher; no downside. I'm interested to see the detectives and watcher's results .
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AcrossFiveJulys is town aligned.
From my DT findings. LuDwig said he's going to sleep so we won't get to see what his findings are until later.
Surprised no one protected treehugger..lazy medics
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kudos to the scum for sniping the tracker ^_^. Epic play imo.
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On June 13 2010 08:15 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Hey guys, just wanted to let you know I got role blocked last night. Guess the mafia thought I was blue. What this is means is that if no one else claims to have been role blocked last night, this is evidence for me being town-aligned, which means that we should be able to narrow down what kind of detective ludwig is. Of course, there is the possibility that if I was mafia, mafia could waste a role block on me to create this exact situation to prevent me from being lynched, but hey, I'm just saying what happened.
Wait, why would you be told that you were roleblocked unless you had a role? Are you trying to dodge getting killed for the DT confirmation?
Also, I really hope our medic was at least protecting our watcher last night. DT is protected because we probably have a fake and watcher is a weaker role. Without Dvig claimed, I have no idea why the medic wouldn't have protected the tracker.
Anyways, time for night role information! Hopefully we've found some interesting stuff via DT or watcher. If not, I think we have enough information to make an educated guess about our hits tonight regardless.
Incog, on a rules point: do you notify vanilla townies about roleblocks? Not sure that even answerable fairly at this point.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 13 2010 09:35 Korynne wrote:
Night ends in 30 minutes.
Night kinda ended like and hour and a half ago....
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Korynne probably got confused because Radfield is still alive.
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So in terms of waiting for blue information we only have to wait for LuDwig and meeple? I don't think anyone else rc'd a blue role other than the dead treehugger.
I already revealed my information on AFJ ( town ) aligned.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 13 2010 09:42 MooCow wrote:
So in terms of waiting for blue information we only have to wait for LuDwig and meeple? I don't think anyone else rc'd a blue role other than the dead treehugger.
I already revealed my information on AFJ ( town ) aligned.
Correct
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Oh my bad, I somehow missed Incog's day post. xD
S'all good...moving along now. xD
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On June 13 2010 08:18 citi.zen wrote:
Hold on - a roleblocked townie is announced he got blocked?
yes?
I got a PM from incognito last "night" saying that I've been role blocked.
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and yes radfield, I find it random that I was role blocked too. perhaps they suspected I'm a vig or medic?
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On June 13 2010 09:46 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 09:42 MooCow wrote:
So in terms of waiting for blue information we only have to wait for LuDwig and meeple? I don't think anyone else rc'd a blue role other than the dead treehugger.
I already revealed my information on AFJ ( town ) aligned.
Correct
Yeah, really hoping our watcher turned something up.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
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Well, we don't need to wait on him 100%, but I've got a few ideas floating around that I'd like a bit more info to flesh out before proposing them.
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On June 13 2010 10:02 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 08:18 citi.zen wrote:
Hold on - a roleblocked townie is announced he got blocked? yes? I got a PM from incognito last "night" saying that I've been role blocked.
This is not how it works in any other game. Can a mod chime in?
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On June 13 2010 10:34 L wrote:
Well, we don't need to wait on him 100%, but I've got a few ideas floating around that I'd like a bit more info to flesh out before proposing them.
L, please post your ideas before we get information about the night actions back. Then, we will know whether you are a legit townie or a mafia who is trying to bend the evidence one way or the other.
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On June 13 2010 10:45 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 10:34 L wrote:
Well, we don't need to wait on him 100%, but I've got a few ideas floating around that I'd like a bit more info to flesh out before proposing them. L, please post your ideas before we get information about the night actions back. Then, we will know whether you are a legit townie or a mafia who is trying to bend the evidence one way or the other.
Well, derp derp. You were supposed to be checked by our DTs. If we had a hatter or a vet in our DT group, our watcher should know who he is and be able to confirm the other DT as legit. He should also be able to figure out who the roleblocker is if he checked you if you aren't bullshitting.
Basically the question here is whether or not we're killing you today and I'd kinda like information regarding who's lying and who isn't.
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On June 13 2010 11:03 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 10:45 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 13 2010 10:34 L wrote:
Well, we don't need to wait on him 100%, but I've got a few ideas floating around that I'd like a bit more info to flesh out before proposing them. L, please post your ideas before we get information about the night actions back. Then, we will know whether you are a legit townie or a mafia who is trying to bend the evidence one way or the other. Well, derp derp. You were supposed to be checked by our DTs. If we had a hatter or a vet in our DT group, our watcher should know who he is and be able to confirm the other DT as legit. He should also be able to figure out who the roleblocker is if he checked you if you aren't bullshitting. Basically the question here is whether or not we're killing you today and I'd kinda like information regarding who's lying and who isn't.
I'd kind of like to hear the various things you are thinking about before you have evidence to work with, because you are either a dickwad or an intelligent mafiso, and i'd like to be confident that you are just a dickwad.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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Also, reiterating, if anyone else wants to say they got role blocked, please do. If no one else speaks up you should be able to put some trust in that I was the one role blocked and therefore probably not mafia. If someone does speak up then it will be obvious that they are mafia if I get lynched and flip town.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 13 2010 10:40 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 10:02 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 13 2010 08:18 citi.zen wrote:
Hold on - a roleblocked townie is announced he got blocked? yes? I got a PM from incognito last "night" saying that I've been role blocked. This is not how it works in any other game. Can a mod chime in?
Actually most games that I've seen recently with roleblockers involve the person being roleblocked getting told he is roleblocked, whether he has an action or not.
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On June 13 2010 11:26 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Also, reiterating, if anyone else wants to say they got role blocked, please do. If no one else speaks up you should be able to put some trust in that I was the one role blocked and therefore probably not mafia. If someone does speak up then it will be obvious that they are mafia if I get lynched and flip town.
Except in every other game vanilla townies are not PMed that information since technically there is no action to "block" at night. So, unless Incogito confirms that in this game he will send PMs to everyone who gets blocked, even vanilla townies, your statement is meaningless.
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On June 13 2010 11:31 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 10:40 citi.zen wrote:On June 13 2010 10:02 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 13 2010 08:18 citi.zen wrote:
Hold on - a roleblocked townie is announced he got blocked? yes? I got a PM from incognito last "night" saying that I've been role blocked. This is not how it works in any other game. Can a mod chime in? Actually most games that I've seen recently with roleblockers involve the person being roleblocked getting told he is roleblocked, whether he has an action or not.
OK, this helps. Thanks, would still be nice to confirm from Incognito.
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On June 13 2010 11:22 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 11:03 L wrote:On June 13 2010 10:45 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 13 2010 10:34 L wrote:
Well, we don't need to wait on him 100%, but I've got a few ideas floating around that I'd like a bit more info to flesh out before proposing them. L, please post your ideas before we get information about the night actions back. Then, we will know whether you are a legit townie or a mafia who is trying to bend the evidence one way or the other. Well, derp derp. You were supposed to be checked by our DTs. If we had a hatter or a vet in our DT group, our watcher should know who he is and be able to confirm the other DT as legit. He should also be able to figure out who the roleblocker is if he checked you if you aren't bullshitting. Basically the question here is whether or not we're killing you today and I'd kinda like information regarding who's lying and who isn't. I'd kind of like to hear the various things you are thinking about before you have evidence to work with, because you are either a dickwad or an intelligent mafiso, and i'd like to be confident that you are just a dickwad.
Well, derp, depends what the watcher has to say. If the watcher says a single person visited you and there's no one else that claims they were blocked, things are ez pz, we kill that person. If we find out one of our DTs was blocked, then its pretty obvious you're lying. If multiple people visited you and no one else claims to have been blocked and incog confirms that people without roles are informed of being blocked, then we've found a lead on the roleblocker.
If the watcher didn't watch you and instead decided to shit around, I dunno what to tell you.
I understand you're trying to play some form of accusation trading defense, but if you're so confident that the watcher won't contradict you you should be gagging for him to show up and clear things up, no?
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Incognito, I'd appreciate it if you'd state that greens get PMd when they get role blocked.
L, sure, I'm looking forward to what the watcher has to say. If he did watch me he'll find that I was visited by a mafia and even be able to give us who it was. But that would mean the mafia fucked up massively last night by role blocking me given that they knew I was going to be watched...
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On June 12 2010 11:01 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Yup... totally welcome this. I'll flip a coin to watch tree.hugger or Ludwig
Shit looks like meeple didn't watch me last night unless he changed his mind after this post.
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On June 13 2010 09:29 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 08:15 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Hey guys, just wanted to let you know I got role blocked last night. Guess the mafia thought I was blue. What this is means is that if no one else claims to have been role blocked last night, this is evidence for me being town-aligned, which means that we should be able to narrow down what kind of detective ludwig is. Of course, there is the possibility that if I was mafia, mafia could waste a role block on me to create this exact situation to prevent me from being lynched, but hey, I'm just saying what happened. Wait, why would you be told that you were roleblocked unless you had a role? Are you trying to dodge getting killed for the DT confirmation? Also, I really hope our medic was at least protecting our watcher last night. DT is protected because we probably have a fake and watcher is a weaker role. Without Dvig claimed, I have no idea why the medic wouldn't have protected the tracker. Anyways, time for night role information! Hopefully we've found some interesting stuff via DT or watcher. If not, I think we have enough information to make an educated guess about our hits tonight regardless. Incog, on a rules point: do you notify vanilla townies about roleblocks? Not sure that even answerable fairly at this point.
Roleblocker
You are a mafia member who has the ability to prevent a player from performing a night action. Once per night, you may roleblock a player, and your target will be unable to perform night actions for that night. Your target will be informed that they have been role blocked regardless of whether or not they can perform a night action.
Rereading the rules is never a bad thing.
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On June 13 2010 12:01 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 09:29 L wrote:On June 13 2010 08:15 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Hey guys, just wanted to let you know I got role blocked last night. Guess the mafia thought I was blue. What this is means is that if no one else claims to have been role blocked last night, this is evidence for me being town-aligned, which means that we should be able to narrow down what kind of detective ludwig is. Of course, there is the possibility that if I was mafia, mafia could waste a role block on me to create this exact situation to prevent me from being lynched, but hey, I'm just saying what happened. Wait, why would you be told that you were roleblocked unless you had a role? Are you trying to dodge getting killed for the DT confirmation? Also, I really hope our medic was at least protecting our watcher last night. DT is protected because we probably have a fake and watcher is a weaker role. Without Dvig claimed, I have no idea why the medic wouldn't have protected the tracker. Anyways, time for night role information! Hopefully we've found some interesting stuff via DT or watcher. If not, I think we have enough information to make an educated guess about our hits tonight regardless. Incog, on a rules point: do you notify vanilla townies about roleblocks? Not sure that even answerable fairly at this point. Show nested quote +Roleblocker
You are a mafia member who has the ability to prevent a player from performing a night action. Once per night, you may roleblock a player, and your target will be unable to perform night actions for that night. Your target will be informed that they have been role blocked regardless of whether or not they can perform a night action. Rereading the rules is never a bad thing.
Thanks bro.
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On June 13 2010 11:58 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 11:01 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Yup... totally welcome this. I'll flip a coin to watch tree.hugger or Ludwig Shit looks like meeple didn't watch me last night unless he changed his mind after this post.
I'm kinda hoping he was trying to fake out the roleblocker with that. Then again, if he checked Ludwig he might have found and confirmed our medic.
If that's the case, please don't tell us who he is unless he's going to get bussed.
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Waiting for people to play this game.. waiting for the watcher to tell his tale of what happen last night... waiting on DT to come out of the shadow.. waiting on people to pick up on puns and riddles...
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Ah... I'm back... yeah unfortunately I didn't watch AFJ but I did watch Ludwig... and have ascertained the identity of the medic . Of course, I won't betray his confidence, but if he happens to find his sorry ass in trouble I will do what I can to pull him out of it.
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So we just need to hear back from ludwig on what he found out last night (if he's a hatter or vet who lied then he'll have to lie to us about what he found out from last night and we won't know whether to trust MooCow or Ludwig's result ARGH I HATE YOUR "PLAN" L).
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Heh... well it does give some sticky situations since we can't actually rely that much on the detectives results... but it does give us some starting points. In my eyes, AFJ is slightly greener... not only because one of our "dts" seem to have confirmed what he claimed but also because of his lack of complaining under all this scrutiny. If he were red, I imagine he would be squirming a bit more...
Of course, there's always the possibility that both MooCow and AFJ are mafia and coordinating this... which would explain both the result and the lack of complaining.
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Ludwig (Detective)
tree.hugger(Tracker)
MooCow(Detective)
Meeple(Watcher)
Radfield
Ohn
johnnyspazz
AcrossFiveJulys
RebirthOfLeGenD
L
Flamewheel
redtooth
Vivi57
Foolishness
~Opz~
cit.izen
Still have Chezinu left to role claim.
Since it hasn't been posted in awhile, here's our RC list.
I would like to point out that if all of our blues RC'd according to the plan, it means we only have 4 out of 5 of the following roles in the game: tracker, watcher, detective, veteran, mad hatter. (see below). So most likely MooCow/Ludwig are detective/veteran (or vice-versa). Meeple is either hatter or watcher.
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Medics obviously lie and vet/hatter claim DT/Watcher respectively so that mafia are 50% screened in their attempt at hitting any of our info roles
The mafia's choice of hitting tree.hugger was smart because we didn't specify a role to lie being tracker so they knew they could take him out if he wasn't medic protected. Once again, good fucking job L.
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Anyway, I forgot to add that we can be pretty confident that none of the people in the blues are mafia unless some of our blues fucked up and didn't role claim. So our efforts should be aimed at the greens. I'm going to do post analysis on Ohn and RoL. I ask that other people choose 1 or 2 people to do post analysis on so we can intelligently choose someone to lynch today (assuming you don't insist on going after me)
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ohN
#155: comments that inactivity is bad for the town
#165: says he supports roleclaiming but doesn't want to be the first
#172: claims townie, then says he has no powers with a sad face. (exagerating being disappointed about being townie?)
#247: says he forgot about the game (excuse for inactivity), pushes for more role claiming
#249: says that everyone should role claim, not half, or it hurts the town
#288: Explains his reasoning for voting for jspazz. says he is voting for him because jspazz voted for him with no explanation, and because jspazz conviniently said he'd be offline until the vote deadline (first reason is bad, that's not a mafia tell, second reason is better). Says he is voting for jspazz mainly because we lack a better candidate.
#289: says meeple and chezinu are not suspicious
#320: in response to meeple's concerns about the plan for the night's actions, he says we will "see what happens and go from there." This is a terrible response. You should always think about the different scenarios that might come up so you can adjust your plan if it has serious problems.
Summary: ohN has been a relatively inactive poster but not inactive enough to arouse suspicion thus far. He has been a supporter of the role claim plan but has not offered any real content regarding its implementation. 4th Vote for jspazz (out of 6 total votes). I'm keeping my eye on him.
RebirthOfLegend
#232: promises activity
#237: supports plan "for the same reasons radfield said". Disagrees, however, with blues lying to mask their roles (vets claim detective, etc) because it creates confusions and "is a big no." RC's townie.
#240: more words saying blues shouldn't lie about their role. claims that L never once said to lie about your role when he indeed did (see page 13 of thread).
#257: points finger at me for a mistake in one of my posts (for some reason I thought for a second that millers lynched flip vanlilla townie instead of miller) and says that's mafiaish, citing his previous game where he played mafia and didn't read the rules carefully. LOL's at so many greens role claiming (well no shit there are going to be excess greens... what are mafia going to claim, red?).
#260: says the plan isn't that bad
Summary: RoL has a strange post history. All of his non-useless posts are in the same time period. The only real things he's done are advocate the plan (actually, he advocated the imaginary plan where blues DO NOT lie about their roles, then ended up advocating the real one later anyway) and arouse suspicion about me. 3rd to vote for jspazz. He also didn't bother to defend himself after I voted for him on day1. My read on him is an accuse-happy townie who has bad reading comprehension and/or not been keeping up properly with the thread.
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On June 13 2010 14:06 meeple wrote:
Heh... well it does give some sticky situations since we can't actually rely that much on the detectives results... but it does give us some starting points. In my eyes, AFJ is slightly greener... not only because one of our "dts" seem to have confirmed what he claimed but also because of his lack of complaining under all this scrutiny. If he were red, I imagine he would be squirming a bit more...
Of course, there's always the possibility that both MooCow and AFJ are mafia and coordinating this... which would explain both the result and the lack of complaining.
I highly doubt that MooCow would suggest and check someone who is also mafia given that our current plan is to axe him in order to give DTs role information. Its possible that one is trying to set the other up, but both of them being mafia seems incredibly unlikely.
You not checking AFJ kinda makes getting information our DTs harder, but if you've confirmed that there's a medic, that's awesome. The problem is that now our lynch choice is much harder. I personally don't think AFJ is mafia because he's acting pretty emotionally, but I haven't gone through his past games to see how he plays mafia. If that's the case, then its possible that up to 3 people visited AFJ yesterday. If i'm right and he's not mafia, then he isn't the medic either because he wouldn't lie about being roleblocked and meeple picked up a medic. Unless meeple is lying or if the hatter dropped a bomb on ludwig and thinks he and meeple are both mafia which seems very unlikely.
So basically we're kinda at a null point in terms of the objective information. We can either kill AFJ to let our DTs narrow their potential sanities, or we can attempt to find someone else. Personally, I have tomorrow off and don't need to work all day, which means I'll have time to look into 2 people too. I think i'll pick flamewheel and foolishness because 1) flamewheel is cute and 2) foolishness is not posting which piques my interest. If I'm too busy to do a full post history on those 2, I'll do a gut feeling map of the people playing like I did last game.
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L, to add to your analysis, I PM'd foolishness yesterday or 2 days ago about his inactivity and got a fairly lengthy response back that I shouldn't be worrying about him because he has RL obligations until Monday (which he supposedly PM'd incognito about). He said that instead i should be worrying about the 4 blues that RC'd since it's implausible that they would all RC on the first day.
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can you send the pm to me or post it in the thread?
either way, I'm getting some shut eye. its 3am.
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Here it is, no reason to hide it.
I had very little opinion on the matter that would've meant anything. It's irrelevant. If you really want to know, I'm incredibly busy because I'm graduating this weekend. Once it's sunday I'll be active as normal, but I told Incognito if I were to play I'd be a bit inactive the first day or so.
I glad you're trying to seek out inactive people and figure things out, but you need to concern yourself with more pressing matters, like which of the blues that claimed so far is lying.
Would you really believe 4 blues would claim all on the first day all based off of some one paragraph plan that wasn't even thoroughly discussed? As a townie, you should be more concerned about the current situation. Worry about me in 2 days (real life days I mean). Of course you can still PM me, just don't expect a response in a timely manner for another 48 hours.
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who do you think should be lynched today? why are you so quiet?
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 13 2010 15:41 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 14:06 meeple wrote:
Heh... well it does give some sticky situations since we can't actually rely that much on the detectives results... but it does give us some starting points. In my eyes, AFJ is slightly greener... not only because one of our "dts" seem to have confirmed what he claimed but also because of his lack of complaining under all this scrutiny. If he were red, I imagine he would be squirming a bit more...
Of course, there's always the possibility that both MooCow and AFJ are mafia and coordinating this... which would explain both the result and the lack of complaining. I highly doubt that MooCow would suggest and check someone who is also mafia given that our current plan is to axe him in order to give DTs role information. Its possible that one is trying to set the other up, but both of them being mafia seems incredibly unlikely. You not checking AFJ kinda makes getting information our DTs harder, but if you've confirmed that there's a medic, that's awesome. The problem is that now our lynch choice is much harder. I personally don't think AFJ is mafia because he's acting pretty emotionally, but I haven't gone through his past games to see how he plays mafia. If that's the case, then its possible that up to 3 people visited AFJ yesterday. If i'm right and he's not mafia, then he isn't the medic either because he wouldn't lie about being roleblocked and meeple picked up a medic. Unless meeple is lying or if the hatter dropped a bomb on ludwig and thinks he and meeple are both mafia which seems very unlikely. So basically we're kinda at a null point in terms of the objective information. We can either kill AFJ to let our DTs narrow their potential sanities, or we can attempt to find someone else. Personally, I have tomorrow off and don't need to work all day, which means I'll have time to look into 2 people too. I think i'll pick flamewheel and foolishness because 1) flamewheel is cute and 2) foolishness is not posting which piques my interest. If I'm too busy to do a full post history on those 2, I'll do a gut feeling map of the people playing like I did last game.
Love you, L.
I'll try to do analysis on somebody tomorrow, if I wake up on time.
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just woke up!
AFJ is TOWNIE
now i go to read all the three pages of posts
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My consideration:
2 sane DT in the game? no possible at all.. so:
1)AFJ is mafia-> 2 useless DT (not really possible in my opinion or the game would be unfair)
2)AFJ is town->
a)we have 2 sane dt (not really possible as above)
b)we have one of the two naive (always town)
c)one of the two is insane (random)
About the rest of the game:
meeple apparently looked at me! it is a good move! We have to continue to control our blue roles to catch up the mafia move. Next time don't say "i will look him" because mafia can simply avoid that targets.
Chezinu you look suspicious to me..really..or i simply don't unerstand you way of posting...
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lol i forgot about the possibility that moocow is faking DT obviously..
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Ok. 2 "detectives" checks have come back townie on me. I think this should convince most of you that I'm indeed townie so that we don't have to waste a lynch.
The possible scenarios right now are MooCow and ludwig are both detectives or 1 of MooCow, Ludwig are detective 1 are veteran. I didn't include the scenario where 1 or both are role claim faking because it doesn't seem likely that a mafioso would risk there being exactly 1 detective or exactly 1 veteran but not both (otherwise there'd be 3 role claimed detectives and clearly 1 would be lying). I also didn't include the other clearly improbable scenarios.
MooCow detective, Ludwig detective:
The only way I would turn out to be mafia is if both of them are either naiive or insane. This seems improbable.
1 detective, 1 veteran:
If I'm mafia, this would imply that we have one naiive or insane detective. We won't gain much from lynching me because if I flip townie that will only say that our detective is either naiive or sane. Furthermore, we won't know whether to trust ludwig or moocow's findings because we won't know which is the detective unless they both decide to reveal their roles. This undesirable situation is a result of L's rather myopic plan.
I hope this justifies going after other targets besides me today (hopefully going after someone that seems suspicious from their voting and posting behavior) since lynching me would provide minimal help and waste a townie and a lynch.
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On June 13 2010 16:56 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Ok. 2 "detectives" checks have come back townie on me. I think this should convince most of you that I'm indeed townie so that we don't have to waste a lynch.
The possible scenarios right now are MooCow and ludwig are both detectives or 1 of MooCow, Ludwig are detective 1 are veteran. I didn't include the scenario where 1 or both are role claim faking because it doesn't seem likely that a mafioso would risk there being exactly 1 detective or exactly 1 veteran but not both (otherwise there'd be 3 role claimed detectives and clearly 1 would be lying). I also didn't include the other clearly improbable scenarios.
MooCow detective, Ludwig detective:
The only way I would turn out to be mafia is if both of them are either naiive or insane. This seems improbable.
1 detective, 1 veteran:
If I'm mafia, this would imply that we have one naiive or insane detective. We won't gain much from lynching me because if I flip townie that will only say that our detective is either naiive or sane. Furthermore, we won't know whether to trust ludwig or moocow's findings because we won't know which is the detective unless they both decide to reveal their roles. This undesirable situation is a result of L's rather myopic plan.
I hope this justifies going after other targets besides me today (hopefully going after someone that seems suspicious from their voting and posting behavior) since lynching me would provide minimal help and waste a townie and a lynch.
ahh this post makes me smile.
Why?
Because you are not saying:"Mafia we will find you" but "Please don't lynch me!"
I really understand you! XD
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On June 13 2010 17:00 LuDwig- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 16:56 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Ok. 2 "detectives" checks have come back townie on me. I think this should convince most of you that I'm indeed townie so that we don't have to waste a lynch.
The possible scenarios right now are MooCow and ludwig are both detectives or 1 of MooCow, Ludwig are detective 1 are veteran. I didn't include the scenario where 1 or both are role claim faking because it doesn't seem likely that a mafioso would risk there being exactly 1 detective or exactly 1 veteran but not both (otherwise there'd be 3 role claimed detectives and clearly 1 would be lying). I also didn't include the other clearly improbable scenarios.
MooCow detective, Ludwig detective:
The only way I would turn out to be mafia is if both of them are either naiive or insane. This seems improbable.
1 detective, 1 veteran:
If I'm mafia, this would imply that we have one naiive or insane detective. We won't gain much from lynching me because if I flip townie that will only say that our detective is either naiive or sane. Furthermore, we won't know whether to trust ludwig or moocow's findings because we won't know which is the detective unless they both decide to reveal their roles. This undesirable situation is a result of L's rather myopic plan.
I hope this justifies going after other targets besides me today (hopefully going after someone that seems suspicious from their voting and posting behavior) since lynching me would provide minimal help and waste a townie and a lynch. ahh this post makes me smile. Why? Because you are not saying:"Mafia we will find you" but "Please don't lynch me!" I really understand you! XD
I *think* what you are trying to say is that I am defending myself rather than going after mafia. If this is the case, then I would ask you to read my last 20 posts in this thread and then see if you still feel that way.
I am just trying to show that lynching me at this point is irrational, and trying to push the town into a more productive direction.
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AFJ + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2010 16:56 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Ok. 2 "detectives" checks have come back townie on me. I think this should convince most of you that I'm indeed townie so that we don't have to waste a lynch.
The possible scenarios right now are MooCow and ludwig are both detectives or 1 of MooCow, Ludwig are detective 1 are veteran. I didn't include the scenario where 1 or both are role claim faking because it doesn't seem likely that a mafioso would risk there being exactly 1 detective or exactly 1 veteran but not both (otherwise there'd be 3 role claimed detectives and clearly 1 would be lying). I also didn't include the other clearly improbable scenarios.
MooCow detective, Ludwig detective:
The only way I would turn out to be mafia is if both of them are either naiive or insane. This seems improbable.
1 detective, 1 veteran:
If I'm mafia, this would imply that we have one naiive or insane detective. We won't gain much from lynching me because if I flip townie that will only say that our detective is either naiive or sane. Furthermore, we won't know whether to trust ludwig or moocow's findings because we won't know which is the detective unless they both decide to reveal their roles. This undesirable situation is a result of L's rather myopic plan.
I hope this justifies going after other targets besides me today (hopefully going after someone that seems suspicious from their voting and posting behavior) since lynching me would provide minimal help and waste a townie and a lynch.
Yep, even though the results are good ( both us DT's getting the same results ), I think we chose a bad target ( AFJ ) to investigate because I don't think he's suspicious or mafia like enough and the results show him as a townie
As I said before we should of investigated someone that was inactive or someone that we were willing to lynch 100% as a test figure to check everyone out.
I know LuDwig had to sleep so he just chose AFJ which is fair enough imo. So as a town group maybe we can chose 2 people before hand ( while we still have 3 days before the night action ends ) to chose who we want to investigate/track then we can get some very solid information.
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Radfield
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On June 13 2010 11:26 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Also, reiterating, if anyone else wants to say they got role blocked, please do. If no one else speaks up you should be able to put some trust in that I was the one role blocked and therefore probably not mafia. If someone does speak up then it will be obvious that they are mafia if I get lynched and flip town.
You seem to have left out one obvious option. You are mafia, with the roleblocker on your team, possibly even the roleblocker. You know your back is up against the wall and that you're a prime lynch target for day 2, so you don't roleblock anyone to gain some credibility. This seems quite likely to me, as it makes absolutely no sense for the mafia to have roleblocked you. Smacks of desperation.
On June 13 2010 16:56 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Ok. 2 "detectives" checks have come back townie on me. I think this should convince most of you that I'm indeed townie so that we don't have to waste a lynch.
The possible scenarios right now are MooCow and ludwig are both detectives or 1 of MooCow, Ludwig are detective 1 are veteran. I didn't include the scenario where 1 or both are role claim faking because it doesn't seem likely that a mafioso would risk there being exactly 1 detective or exactly 1 veteran but not both (otherwise there'd be 3 role claimed detectives and clearly 1 would be lying). I also didn't include the other clearly improbable scenarios.
MooCow detective, Ludwig detective:
The only way I would turn out to be mafia is if both of them are either naiive or insane. This seems improbable.
1 detective, 1 veteran:
If I'm mafia, this would imply that we have one naiive or insane detective. We won't gain much from lynching me because if I flip townie that will only say that our detective is either naiive or sane. Furthermore, we won't know whether to trust ludwig or moocow's findings because we won't know which is the detective unless they both decide to reveal their roles. This undesirable situation is a result of L's rather myopic plan.
I hope this justifies going after other targets besides me today (hopefully going after someone that seems suspicious from their voting and posting behavior) since lynching me would provide minimal help and waste a townie and a lynch.
Again, I have to disagree with your analysis.
First off, we have a tracker, watcher, medic and two dt's, and a minimum of SIX days to find only 4 mafia in a 17 person game. That is insanely unbalanced for the town even if mafia have a godfather, roleblocker and dayvig. How do you balance that out? By putting in some nasty sanities for the DT's. You think it unlikely, but with a tracker and watcher around, I think it VERY likely that both are DT's have funky sanities. One being useless(naive) and one being insane sounds about right. Even assuming that some people are lying about their role, it still fits that we would have an insane DT.
Not to mention that I don't really trust Moocow at this point. No offense moocow, but a DT role is the perfect place for a mafia to hide, because you can never be held accountable "oops guys, I guess I'm naive".
It is very important that we lynch AFJ, because we really need to start narrowing down the sanities. The entire plan was to lynch AFJ regardless of what the alignment checks came back as. The fact is, AFJ STILL seems completely scummy to me and worthy of a lynching anyways. Not to mention that he's done a ton of posting, so if he flips red we can glean a lot of info from his posts.
That being said, we should still be doing post analysis on people. I went through the thread last night and a few people jumped out a me, but we can talk about them once AFJ is out of the way.
##Vote: AcrossFiveJulys (for effect)
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On June 13 2010 20:15 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 11:26 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Also, reiterating, if anyone else wants to say they got role blocked, please do. If no one else speaks up you should be able to put some trust in that I was the one role blocked and therefore probably not mafia. If someone does speak up then it will be obvious that they are mafia if I get lynched and flip town. You seem to have left out one obvious option. You are mafia, with the roleblocker on your team, possibly even the roleblocker. You know your back is up against the wall and that you're a prime lynch target for day 2, so you don't roleblock anyone to gain some credibility. This seems quite likely to me, as it makes absolutely no sense for the mafia to have roleblocked you. Smacks of desperation.
I already addressed that possibility in an earlier post. Sure, it's possible from your viewpoint and I encourage you to keep it in mind.
Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 16:56 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Ok. 2 "detectives" checks have come back townie on me. I think this should convince most of you that I'm indeed townie so that we don't have to waste a lynch.
The possible scenarios right now are MooCow and ludwig are both detectives or 1 of MooCow, Ludwig are detective 1 are veteran. I didn't include the scenario where 1 or both are role claim faking because it doesn't seem likely that a mafioso would risk there being exactly 1 detective or exactly 1 veteran but not both (otherwise there'd be 3 role claimed detectives and clearly 1 would be lying). I also didn't include the other clearly improbable scenarios.
MooCow detective, Ludwig detective:
The only way I would turn out to be mafia is if both of them are either naiive or insane. This seems improbable.
1 detective, 1 veteran:
If I'm mafia, this would imply that we have one naiive or insane detective. We won't gain much from lynching me because if I flip townie that will only say that our detective is either naiive or sane. Furthermore, we won't know whether to trust ludwig or moocow's findings because we won't know which is the detective unless they both decide to reveal their roles. This undesirable situation is a result of L's rather myopic plan.
I hope this justifies going after other targets besides me today (hopefully going after someone that seems suspicious from their voting and posting behavior) since lynching me would provide minimal help and waste a townie and a lynch. Again, I have to disagree with your analysis. First off, we have a tracker, watcher, medic and two dt's, and a minimum of SIX days to find only 4 mafia in a 17 person game. That is insanely unbalanced for the town even if mafia have a godfather, roleblocker and dayvig. How do you balance that out? By putting in some nasty sanities for the DT's. You think it unlikely, but with a tracker and watcher around, I think it VERY likely that both are DT's have funky sanities. One being useless(naive) and one being insane sounds about right. Even assuming that some people are lying about their role, it still fits that we would have an insane DT.
False. We know we have (had) a tracker and that is it. We may not have a medic or any of the other blue roles.
Not to mention that I don't really trust Moocow at this point. No offense moocow, but a DT role is the perfect place for a mafia to hide, because you can never be held accountable "oops guys, I guess I'm naive".
I agree with this. So how is lynching me going to help, then, genuis? Especially since we have no way of knowing whether MooCow or Ludwig are actually detectives?
It is very important that we lynch AFJ, because we really need to start narrowing down the sanities. The entire plan was to lynch AFJ regardless of what the alignment checks came back as. The fact is, AFJ STILL seems completely scummy to me and worthy of a lynching anyways. Not to mention that he's done a ton of posting, so if he flips red we can glean a lot of info from his posts.
There was no such plan from the beginning, it was only suggested (by me actually) when ludwig said he'd be role checking me. What about my posting is screaming scummy to you radfield?
That being said, we should still be doing post analysis on people. I went through the thread last night and a few people jumped out a me, but we can talk about them once AFJ is out of the way.
##Vote: AcrossFiveJulys (for effect)
I have no idea why you are so deadset on lynching me. All that is going to happen is I flip green and you still won't have a clue about which of ludwig/moocow are detectives and/or their sanities (they could be naiive or insane). Think logically about what kind of information will be obtained and whether that is worth wasting a townie and a lynch.
If people are convinced that I'm mafia due to my posting and voting behavior, then fine, that's enough reason to lynch me. But doing so to reduce uncertainly about our "detectives" is nonsense.
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btw, going to bed (its 8am here) so don't fret if i don't respond to posts directed at me or PM's. i'm going to try to cut my night's sleep short to fix my schedule so hopefully will be back within 4 or 5 hours.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I have no idea why you are so deadset on lynching me. All that is going to happen is I flip green and you still won't have a clue about which of ludwig/moocow are detectives and/or their sanities (they could be naiive or insane). Think logically about what kind of information will be obtained and whether that is worth wasting a townie and a lynch.
If you flip green, it narrows down their sanities to naive or insane. This is much better than having no idea at all. Lets imagine both role checks had turned you up red, or one red and one green. Either way, each detective gets narrowed down to two possible sanities. There is no possible way to figure out a dt's sanity after only one check. I am trying to think logically, and surely you agree that this is the only way to start narrowing down their sanity.
We have a lot of time as town in this game, and no matter what you flip, we gain valuable information from lynching you.
Do I absolutely think 100% you're mafia? Not at all. But I'm suspicious of you, and it's definitely worth lynching you at this point to help establish Ludwig's and Moocow's sanity.
Suspicions:
-Poor arguments against L's plan, then poor arguments again to L's plan
-Lots of spam early on
-Your roleclaim post seems off, and is filled with trying to distance yourself from L's plan
-Lots of corrections to peoples posts and obvious statements, but no real suggestions.
-These two statements seemed bizarre at the time to me, and still do. They are back to back posts, and seem like a huge stretch to draw the conclusion that you did.
It seems safe to say that mafia spread themselves out in the non-RC'd / townie / blue list. So we probably have 2 mafia that role claimed townie, 1 that claimed blue, and 1 that has not role claimed.
Oh sorry, and off of that assumption we have a 50% chance to get a mafioso if we lynch one of the non-RC'd people (meeple or chezinu). Switching my vote to meeple.
-Wishy washy in your voting: You voted for meeple on very thin reasoning, talked about switching to Jspazz on a whim, and then finally switched over to redtooth on my rather shakey reasoning.
-You posted this lol guess I get to be the sacrificial townie. (suppose it would be in the interest of the town to lynch me no matter what I role check as if the town trusts ludwig)
and are now trying to do everything you can to avoid getting lynched
-The whole roleblocking thing, which seems completely made up to me.
-This post seems very fake to me
Shit looks like meeple didn't watch me last night unless he changed his mind after this post.
Some other minor stuff as well. The more I look through your posts the more likely it seems you are mafia.
These are a few of the reasons you strike me as mafia. Look on the bright side, if your town, we probably have a sane DT. Hooray! If you're mafia, you now know what to fix for next game. But the most important thing is, it's worth lynching you even if you are town because our dt's checked you last night.
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I'll do a bit of my thoughts and analysis on Flamewheel!
Flamewheel
*First post he revels he's actually the Godfather, lynch him.
Posts in the actual start of the game : 18
#141 Gives some of his thoughts on the balance of the game. Nothing really solid.
#151Wants to lynch an inactive which we did ( Jspazz )
#164He's up for roleclaiming which we all eventually do except for Chez.
#242 A bit later he rc's townie, just in between the mass rc'ing of townies.
#279 Gives his thoughts on 2 people rc'ing DT's ( MooCow and LuDwig) but imo doesn't really say anything useful.
#326He votes for himself ( knowing that he won't be lynched but just as a placeholder because he won't be back in time for the voting )
He also gives a plan that's almost exactly the same thing I posted for the 2 DT's and watcher to do.
Lasts few posts were just *one *liners not saying much.
Conclusion
He's actually not that active in this game imo. A lot of his posts end with something like he'll be back in a few hours or has to do something for a few hours, which is understandable, but may also be a mafia trying to cover up for his inactivity.
He doesn't say much in any of his posts but he did say he will do an analysis.
All of these things make me suspicious of him and I think he's mafia from my analysis so far.
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I think that we need to put some fixed point in the game. We really don't know nothing for sure. We only know that two people claimed DTs, that they told us they rolechecked and that AFJ is green.
Are they sane, insane, naive?
The only way to know it (or at least starting to make thnigs more clear)is lynch AFJ ..
I also thought on lynching MooCow...because i really don't believe him...If it turs out red it would be a great move..but if he is a DT for real? That would be a huge loss for the team that can make us loose the game.
We can lynch another people at random..but then..why simply don't lynch you?
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On June 12 2010 07:47 Radfield wrote:
##Vote Redtooth
can you explain this?
In this thread you say a thing then you do another one?
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On June 13 2010 23:29 LuDwig- wrote:
I think that we need to put some fixed point in the game. We really don't know nothing for sure. We only know that two people claimed DTs, that they told us they rolechecked and that AFJ is green.
Are they sane, insane, naive?
The only way to know it (or at least starting to make thnigs more clear)is lynch AFJ ..
I also thought on lynching MooCow...because i really don't believe him...If it turs out red it would be a great move..but if he is a DT for real? That would be a huge loss for the team that can make us loose the game.
We can lynch another people at random..but then..why simply don't lynch you?
What? You're not making much sense...
You can lynch me if you want if it helps the town i'm all for it because DT's aren't that useful as you say.
Also I don't think we should lynch people at random either... that's why we are trying to find suspicious behavior from players and such to lynch them... and not... randomly....
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On June 14 2010 01:04 LuDwig- wrote:can you explain this? In this thread you say a thing then you do another one?
???
Lol. That was his vote from yesterday....
Today ( using TL time June 13th ) Radfield voted for AFJ..
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 13 2010 23:29 LuDwig- wrote:
I think that we need to put some fixed point in the game. We really don't know nothing for sure. We only know that two people claimed DTs, that they told us they rolechecked and that AFJ is green.
Are they sane, insane, naive?
The only way to know it (or at least starting to make thnigs more clear)is lynch AFJ ..
I also thought on lynching MooCow...because i really don't believe him...If it turs out red it would be a great move..but if he is a DT for real? That would be a huge loss for the team that can make us loose the game.
We can lynch another people at random..but then..why simply don't lynch you?
I think lynching moocow right now is premature. If he's telling the truth then we hurt ourselves doubly: the loss of a town aligned player, and giving the mafia less blue targets to shoot at.
I realize that by focusing on AFJ today we're kind of giving the less active players a pass. But we can focus on them tomorrow.
I'd like to know the opinions on whom we should lynch from these people:
Vivi57
citi.zen
Foolishness
redtooth
RebirthOfLeGend
I'd like to hear everyone else's opinion as well, but these 5 are a bit on the inactive side.
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Ok sorry moocow you are right (i simply missed a page of the thread XD)
Acutally i have no idea of the people Radfield proposed to lynch..i am going to give a look to the entire thread to get some ideas..
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I don't like Day 2 Radfield...He's a lot more bossy.
Okay, his opinion on AFJ...well killing him to establish sanity...narrows down the sanities....But it doesn't help us fantastically... It will either give us naive or insane if he's mafia, or sane or naive if he really is town (which I believe).
He was role blocked. How many of you realized townies were pm'd if they were role blocked. I mean it seems kinda weird he would be role blocked, but why isn't it possible? Better question is why didn't the watcher watch him anyway? (Whoever said we didn't know if a med was in the game, meeple said the med visited ludwig last night).
I don't feel AFJ has been that suspicious at all tbh, and is all but confirmed in my eyes.
About your other suspects Radfield, I'm fine with citizen, or RoL...I don't recall much from either of them, but inactivity doesn't state that much for suspicion. Now...about RoL....AFJ had a decent summary on him that convinced me lynching RoL might be worth it...But that's about it. He hasn't given any content to truly analyze.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 13 2010 21:47 MooCow wrote:I'll do a bit of my thoughts and analysis on Flamewheel! Flamewheel*First post he revels he's actually the Godfather, lynch him. Posts in the actual start of the game : 18 #141 Gives some of his thoughts on the balance of the game. Nothing really solid. #151Wants to lynch an inactive which we did ( Jspazz ) #164He's up for roleclaiming which we all eventually do except for Chez. #242 A bit later he rc's townie, just in between the mass rc'ing of townies. #279 Gives his thoughts on 2 people rc'ing DT's ( MooCow and LuDwig) but imo doesn't really say anything useful. #326He votes for himself ( knowing that he won't be lynched but just as a placeholder because he won't be back in time for the voting ) He also gives a plan that's almost exactly the same thing I posted for the 2 DT's and watcher to do. Lasts few posts were just *one *liners not saying much. ConclusionHe's actually not that active in this game imo. A lot of his posts end with something like he'll be back in a few hours or has to do something for a few hours, which is understandable, but may also be a mafia trying to cover up for his inactivity. He doesn't say much in any of his posts but he did say he will do an analysis. All of these things make me suspicious of him and I think he's mafia from my analysis so far.
If I do my analysis will that help my case? \o/
Coming up shortly...
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MooCow, you kinda stole flamewheel from me, so I'll comment on your analysis. Flamewheel's actions don't look like he's me-tooing seeing as there have been some important decisions that he's been in on at a fairly early stage. Instead it looks like he's trying to keep his head down while still contributing a bit. Flamewheel might have modded a few games, but people don't expect him to singlehandedly drive games forward like radfield and I, so if he was mafia he'd probably have been safe doing exclusively stupid shit like getting people to call him cute.
If I'd be able to guess, I'd say that he might be one of the blue roles that hasn't said anything yet. If he's green then maybe that's a tell that he suffers from a lack of motivation during his non-role games.
Anyways, back to writing on foolishness.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
This game is interesting, what with the mass roleclaims going on. The only four power roles that have revealed themselves are investigative roles, and our Tracker is now dead. At this time, there is no reason for us not to assume that our revealed power roles are non-Townies. Amongst the three remaining blue claimers, there should not be any vanilla players, since doing so hurts the town. Perhaps there’s somebody who wants to be a hero, and direct a shot toward themselves… but overall I don’t like it. So of the three claimed blues, LuDwig-, meeple, and MooCow.
At this point, I’m willing to assume meeple is our Watcher indeed, and he found the Medic since it makes thinking about things a lot easier.
On June 13 2010 13:49 meeple wrote:Ah... I'm back... yeah unfortunately I didn't watch AFJ but I did watch Ludwig... and have ascertained the identity of the medic . Of course, I won't betray his confidence, but if he happens to find his sorry ass in trouble I will do what I can to pull him out of it.
What does this say about our power roles? If meeple is indeed our Watcher, then we had a Watcher/Tracker set. Since Detectives are weakened due to alignment issues, this is plausible. We also have a Medic—this is good? I can only assume the meeple-medic interaction happened in PM land. If it’s true and we have a Medic, this is good, since a 1KP medic can fully protect the town every night from Mafia hits given Scamp-like protecting abilities. So now we have two Detectives left. If the above mentioned blues are actually in this game, then in my opinion, there is a high probability that one of the Detectives is one of the lying blue roles (Veteran, Hatter… I still stand by the fact that Incognito likes Hatters) and the other one is of reversed or useless sanity.
Why do I think we have a Hatter? At this point, I think it seems logical. I haven’t seen a standard game yet without some form of extraneous town KP, and the situation right now can boil down to Hatter or Veteran. Maybe there’s both and somebody claimed Townie? Entirely plausible. However, know that I requested Veteran before the game started—the plan was to cause a lot of ruckus to get the Mafia to try to slap me at night, though that request could not be entertained. So what does that mean? It means either somebody else more important got Veteran (though I don’t believe Incognito offered others a choice?) or that there are no Veterans due to balancing issue. The more I think about it, the less likely there is to be a Veteran. Mafia only have 1KP (plus a potential Day Vigi) so a Veteran is a huge deterrence, especially after the day comes about and actions are sorted out when the Veteran claims the hit.
So plausible blue roles? It might boil down to one semi-useless to useless Detective in terms of alignment, a Watcher, a now-dead Tracker, a hidden Medic, and a Mad Hatter. The Medic is most likely hiding amongst the greens. One of our three other power roles is probably a Hatter. Can we tell which?
Remember: AcrossFiveJulys said he was roleblocked, and meeple said he watched LuDwig-.
Both LuDwig- and MooCow said they checked AcrossFiveJulys, and that he returned as town. Here are the possibilities:
1) Both of them are sane, and AcrossFiveJulys is, in actuality, green. Chances of this being the case with both a Watcher and Tracker in the game? Very low. That’s a ton of information right there.
2) One of the two is sane, the other Naïve or Insane and AFJ is Mafia. Perhaps we have one sane cop, this is plausible. Most likely, the other cop is Naïve, if that.
3) One of the two is a cop. The other is a Mad Hatter. I find this case very plausible. meeple watched LuDwig-, and though he hasn’t confirmed that LuDwig- visited AFJ, I assume that he would call LuDwig- out if LuDwig- had indeed not done so during the night.
Of course, we’d have so much more information if meeple had just watched AFJ…
Now, here’s an interesting part: AFJ claimed he was roleblocked almost immediately after the day post. Immediately before this point, we would have no indication that there was a roleblocker. meeple does not chime in that he watched LuDwig- instead of AFJ until later on. So in all probability, we can assume that AFJ was, indeed, roleblocked since saying so when it didn’t happen while under the risk of being watched would have been ludicrous and a gamble. Of course, I’m ignoring the elaborate conspiracy plots of meeple, LuDwig-, AFJ etc. all being Mafia…
So AFJ was roleblocked. And supposedly MooCow and LuDwig- visited him during the night. meeple watched LuDwig-. Could LuDwig- be a roleblocker? It’s possible given the circumstances but this is LuDwig’s first game, and he roleclaimed early. Doubtless, if the Mafia were looking for something like this, it’d probably have taken them longer to have formulated a plan this crazy. So my (currently) final verdict on LuDwig-? Actually a Detective—sanity still unknown.
MooCow… not sure. He returned with the same result as LuDwig-, though I highly doubt he’s a DT right now since that means for four information roles if everybody was legit… Though he did claim a lot later than LuDwig-, (under the premise of “I wanted to see if he would slip up”—which is slightly illogical in itself since it was the first day) so I think the chance of him being the Bomberman is quite high. Or perhaps I’ve been shenaniganed and he is a Veteran (Incognito, I would give you a pouty face if this were the case!)… or even a Vigilante. But seriously, Mad Hatter > Vigilante for Incognito and Qatol.
Another kicker—we can’t be sure if meeple actually watched or not, since he did not announce results. But I want to assume he’s the Watcher. If he isn’t, I’m sure we can tie him down in the future.
And this was a compilation of my loose thoughts. After the first night, there are still too many “ifs” for me to want to put myself in a certain, deadlocked, mindset. As for a lynch target, it’d be… okay… to lynch AFJ to ascertain partial sanity choices for our “Detectives.” Since it’s Day 2, I still don’t think there’d be too much scumtell appearing, though I think we can obviously see that Mafia are hiding amongst the green. Too much of a conspiracy if it were the blues.
Who wants more?
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 14 2010 03:48 L wrote:
MooCow, you kinda stole flamewheel from me, so I'll comment on your analysis. Flamewheel's actions don't look like he's me-tooing seeing as there have been some important decisions that he's been in on at a fairly early stage. Instead it looks like he's trying to keep his head down while still contributing a bit. Flamewheel might have modded a few games, but people don't expect him to singlehandedly drive games forward like radfield and I, so if he was mafia he'd probably have been safe doing exclusively stupid shit like getting people to call him cute.
If I'd be able to guess, I'd say that he might be one of the blue roles that hasn't said anything yet. If he's green then maybe that's a tell that he suffers from a lack of motivation during his non-role games.
Anyways, back to writing on foolishness.
Oh L, remember Micro-Mafia II?
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Radfield's posts with comments by Chezinu
+ Show Spoiler +On June 10 2010 09:45 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 08:14 Vivi57 wrote:
This should be fun.
Also, is lynching an inactive really best? We've done that since forever and people are so used to the strategy that I don't think it'll give us as much in the way of vote lists and voting patterns to analyze.
I say that we make everyone talk then analyze behavior and if someone appears scummy, we shouldn't insta go for the inactive. I think I agree with this. Usually I'm a champion of inactive lynching, but theoretically in this set up there should not be anyone blatantly inactive. I mean, the invites were sent out solely based on activity. If we're having a problem with activity, by all means, but for now lets try to analyze. Face the facts, mafia who try to coast by are lame, mafia who play hardcore are sweet. Like Incognito in Mafia XXII; that was well done. I totally agree, acting crazy and winning is a lot better than being quite and winning.. I totally agree with getting people to talk that we can analyze them.. Soon after I pulled a stunt.. On June 11 2010 02:16 Radfield wrote:
Here's the way I see things right now. Whether you agree with L's plan or not, things have started moving regardless. We have both a DT and Tracker claim, so at this point I think we have a duty to follow along with our roleclaims simply to protect those two. Both tree.hugger and Ludwig strike me as telling the truth.
My guess would be that mafia will roleclaim as 3 townies and 1 blue role, the blue role will likely be claimed near the end. I doubt we have doubles of any role, as there is simply no need with this amount of players, and the number of potential open roles. So any blue-claiming right off the bat is very very risky.
Ludwig, PMing our roles to L is a bad bad idea. PMing our roles to anyone at this point is not smart, simply because there is no way to make a really solid case for someone being pro-town. The downside of picking the wrong person is basically a loss for the town. If we should be PMing anyone, it should be you, as I pretty much take your claim at face value at this point. However, I think public roleclaiming is the best way to go for the moment.
With that being said, I am a Townie and my job is to get shot on the first night. If we have a watcher, I recommend you have a look at me tonight as I have a decent streak going. Of course, it probably makes more sense to watch one of the blue claimers to try and find the roleblocker.
Medic should be protecting tree.hugger or Ludwig at this point, with emphasis on tree.hugger. Did you get fired from your job? I would never assume that there are a set amount of blues.. I like to pretend that everyone has some special role..even myself most of the time.. But when a gun is pointed at my head, I usually tell the truth.. but I don't see any guns nearby.. hopefully, I don't get blindsided.. This roleclaim seems true to me. What does Rad have to lose by not telling the truth? I know after getting killed on the first day, the following game it is easy to be bold and role claim day one. So Chez why didn't you roleclaim yet? - can't believe no one asked this yet- B/c I'm Chez. When no one roleclaims I role claim. When everyone roleclaims I don't. Plus I don't have a gun pointed at my head.. But what is the real reason? I was semi-inactive and when I got to the thread it was only me and meeple left who didn't roleclaim and I was like I just won't roleclaim for the fun of it.. On June 11 2010 02:19 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 02:03 tree.hugger wrote:On June 11 2010 01:53 ~OpZ~ wrote:
I'm not sure. Usually I agree with the inactive lynch and more discussion, but as Radfield said, inactivity should not be a problem this game. Role claiming usually comes as a last resort? Why would we push for roleclaiming THIS early. It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
I'd guess the mafia are planning privately right now. So they probably aren't posting too much. If we're serious about this role claiming, we're giving them a lot to decide. Who claims what, risk/reward type shit.
But since we've had a dt claim we can use him to our advantage. So we must get his sanity established...Do we have him check somebody, and then lynch the person the next day? Just check and hope mafia kills the person? Maybe he's paranoid? Lots of problems come up from this.
I dunno what the best course of action is, I'm not usually that good at coming up with plans for the town.
=( Posts like this, which don't help, say a couple really obvious generic things, and which address what the mafia 'might be doing' while the poster does the opposite... Red flags? Mafia list: A5J OpZ I had the same feeling tree.hugger, but I think it's more benificial to let things like this slide in the moment and try to build a case after more posts. No need to point out to potential mafia that they're not doing a good job. If tree.hugger would have waited, he would have died and no one would of known who he thought was suspicious.. Need more posts for more analysis, I guess I could try and get more people to talk. We should probably compile old posts of the dead. As in "We" can someone else do this? Just getting Rad's posts took a while... On June 11 2010 06:50 Radfield wrote:
I'm pretty sure the day vig knows they're the day vig. I imagine it's in their role PM.
@AcrossFiveJulys Here's the way I see it going down if everyone roleclaims. We have a pretty good idea of how many blue roles there are, so an overabundance of blue or green will tip us off one way or another. In addition, any mafia claiming blue is making a risky decision, because any blue role that doubles up will be investigated/killed/whatever. At the very least attention will be placed on the two claimers. It seems likely that most of the people who claim blue will actually BE blue. Therefore, we can narrow down our list of suspects to the green claimers. Thoughts? It's not perfect, but considering that we already have 2 blue and 3 green claimed, I think it's our best bet.
Also
##KILL: Chezinu Here is proof that Radfield has a sense of humor and is not the Dvig. On June 11 2010 07:01 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 06:58 Korynne wrote:
*sigh* Another blue post signifying a mod ignoring a specific command only usable by selected people. yeah, sorry about that, just trying to have some fun Here Rad totally countered Korynne's sigh with a smile.. Great technique! On June 11 2010 09:41 Radfield wrote:
I'm wiped guys, and going to bed. I have stuff to say, but I'll say it in the morning. I'm beginning to rethink lynching inactives. MORE POSTING PEOPLE! You know who you are. Are you talking to me? Well, I have been busy - I'm posting now! We should listen to Radfield and post more! On June 11 2010 19:50 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 10:40 L wrote:We have decided there is probably around 4-5 greens Look at the game numbers. 17 players. 13 town. 4 mafia. 7 blue roles. We're likely to have 4-7 blues max, giving us at the worst 6 greens. The game is 1 kp with 17 players in play. Every correct lynch we have buys us a day. Every medic prot buys us a day. We have potential 3 information roles. With 2 players down a day and a minimum of 8 people alive if we chain-mishit, we have 9 deaths until we're in near death situation. That means we can screw up every single day until day 5 and still win. Given that, I'd be very shocked to see us packing 8-9 blues as per your estimate. I failed to realize how a mafia KP of 1 gives us so much time. On that note it seems quite unlikely for the town to have 6 or 7 blue roles, as we would be seriously overpowered, even if mafia had a roleblocker/godfather/dayvig. I would think we have a medic out there, and probably one of vig/vet/hatter, but that might be it. During the night we need to pick someone for ludwig to check, and then lynch that person on day 2 to figure out his sanity. I have a few ideas in mind, but we don't need to start talking about that just yet necessarily. In fact, it might make more sense to PM our suggestions to tree.hugger and Ludwig, and let them make the final call together, as they are both highly likely to be town aligned. The reason to keep it private would be so the mafia can't snipe that player first and delay us finding out Ludwig's sanity. Since we have about twelve hours, I'm putting forward some lynch suspects: Johnnyspazz: Four posts in the thread, all of them one liners. AcrossFiveJulys: Made some bad arguments against roleclaiming, moderate amount of spamming. This was his roleclaim: Show nested quote +
I agree that at this point we are committed to this potentially shitty plan because our "tracker" and "detective" have RC'd. I don't mind role claiming townie for myself, at least. If anyone can think of a good way to put the brakes on the plan even though a couple "blues" have RC'd then please post how to do so, otherwise let's go forward with the plan even though it sucks because it's worse to just give the mafia a few blues and then stop.
Something about this roleclaim seemed off to me, but I can't really put my finger on it. Both of these are good lynch targets in my eyes, but FIRST AND FOREMOST, any non roleclaimers need to be looked at in my opinion. We need information on the table, and people who don't claim are hindering the town at this point. Right now I think we should be looking at AFJ and Jspazz as potential targets for ludwig's sanity check. Theoretically neither of you should be particularly opposed to sacrificing for the town if you're town aligned . Do people Agree? Disagree? Thoughts? I think that Jspazz is innocent and that town will lynch him anyways. I also believe the Dts will listen to you and check A5J both coming back as reading "townie". A5J would also get roleblocked. A5J will oppose killing himself later on under the above circumstances. Bet you didn't see that coming Rad! On June 11 2010 19:54 Radfield wrote:I also just noticed we have 4 voters in the voting thread. What the heck people!? Do NOT vote without posting an explanation, that helps the mafia coast. (I realize Chez posted a reason) Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 15:59 Chezinu wrote:
## vote Radfield
aka abstaining for now.. because no one else would dare vote for him, right? Yeah, Rad is being nice to me! Thus I think he is town because I'm biased.. On June 12 2010 00:46 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2010 23:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
The plan isn't that bad. I could be confusing Jspazz with someone else, I just can't think of who it is right now. Abenson? It seems like he has a pretty bad reputation in mafia. 4 left to claim: MooCow Meeple Foolishness Chezinu For the record I don't think we should lynch Jspazz today. He's probably town. I think we should use him as our sanity test for ludwig. Investigate him tonight, lynch him Day 2. At this point, I think one of these four should be our target for now. We have about 9 hours until day ends. It appears as though inactivity may be a little bit of a problem after all. Anyone still flying under the radar should be looked in to. OK, he isn't playing Mr. Nice Guy anymore... Opposes lynching Jspazz now -- good choice but too late.. On June 12 2010 07:47 Radfield wrote:Korynne, would you mind using the new TL time tags? It sure is easier to think in our own time zones(mind you, I'm 12 hours off exactly, so it's not a problem for me really) I strongly disagree with lynching Jspazz right now, I still think we should use him as our sanity check. Just posting this for reference: Show nested quote +
Votes for ohN (2)
citi.zen
johnnyspazz
Votes for Radfield (1)
Chezinu
Votes for ~OpZ~ (1)
Vivi57
Votes for johnnyspazz (4)
tree.hugger
RebirthOfLegend
LuDwig-
ohN
Votes for meeple (4)
redtooth
AcrossFiveJulys
~OpZ~
Foolishness
Votes for flamewheel (1)
flamewheel
Meeple has yet to claim, though Ludwig seems to think he's town aligned. Given that Ludwig is basically a confirmed townie, that may be good enough. It's very possible meeple roleclaimed his true role to Ludwig. If this is the case, it may need to be made public as the votes come in. Chezinu also has yet to claim, but I'm not particularly worried about him.... Blue Roles: Seems very unlikely that we have two detectives, also seems unlikely that Ludwig is not a detective, as he roleclaimed very early on, and really doesn't seem like the type of player to roleclaim blue if he's mafia. Personally I think Moocow is lying, but he should get a pass for the moment given our claiming plan. He's an obvious target for the mafia, so if he hasn't died after a few nights, we start thinking about lynching him. If any blue roles have claimed green in the thread(medics/vets/hatters etc.), you should think about roleclaiming to tree.hugger or ludwig, who strike me as very likely pro-town. Lynch candidates for tonight seem to be meeple and Jspazz. I disagree with both of these choices. Unfortunately I don't have a real great alternative right now, as I don't have time to scour for people who are coasting. Redtooth and Foolishness both posted early on, but haven't given much input once the roleclaims really starting coming in, and haven't given input into lynching. Vivi57 kinda falls in this category as well. Probably other people as well. Also, I really don't like that Flamewheel voted for himself, abstaining is a bad thing for the town, but he's probably town, as I doubt a mafia would want to draw attention to himself. Honestly AcrossFiveJulys(and Citi.zen for that matter) still strikes me as possible mafia, but he's been active, which is worth a lot of suspicion. I'd honestly rather have an active mafia then an inactive townie. Here is the order of roleclaims for reference: 1 tree.hugger tracker 2 ohN Townie 3 LuDwig- Detective 4 Radfield Townie 5 johnnyspazz Townie 6 AcrossFiveJulys Townie 7 RebirthOfLeGend Townie 8 L Townie 9 flamewheel Townie 10 Vivi57 Townie 11 redtooth Townie 12 citi.zen Townie 13 ~ OpZ~ Townie 14 MooCow Detective 15 Foolishness Townie Chezinu meeple We really need more activity in the thread, though it can be assumed that PM's are happening behind the scenes. For now redtooth gets my vote unless he starts posting some more. I may change later. Nice to know your not worried about me.. It really encourages me to be inactive.. But knowing I'm Chez... I will be active anyways as long as I'm not to busying in RL.. Continued talk about being active... On June 12 2010 07:47 Radfield wrote:Korynne, would you mind using the new TL time tags? It sure is easier to think in our own time zones(mind you, I'm 12 hours off exactly, so it's not a problem for me really) I strongly disagree with lynching Jspazz right now, I still think we should use him as our sanity check. Just posting this for reference: Show nested quote +
Votes for ohN (2)
citi.zen
johnnyspazz
Votes for Radfield (1)
Chezinu
Votes for ~OpZ~ (1)
Vivi57
Votes for johnnyspazz (4)
tree.hugger
RebirthOfLegend
LuDwig-
ohN
Votes for meeple (4)
redtooth
AcrossFiveJulys
~OpZ~
Foolishness
Votes for flamewheel (1)
flamewheel
Meeple has yet to claim, though Ludwig seems to think he's town aligned. Given that Ludwig is basically a confirmed townie, that may be good enough. It's very possible meeple roleclaimed his true role to Ludwig. If this is the case, it may need to be made public as the votes come in. Chezinu also has yet to claim, but I'm not particularly worried about him.... Blue Roles: Seems very unlikely that we have two detectives, also seems unlikely that Ludwig is not a detective, as he roleclaimed very early on, and really doesn't seem like the type of player to roleclaim blue if he's mafia. Personally I think Moocow is lying, but he should get a pass for the moment given our claiming plan. He's an obvious target for the mafia, so if he hasn't died after a few nights, we start thinking about lynching him. If any blue roles have claimed green in the thread(medics/vets/hatters etc.), you should think about roleclaiming to tree.hugger or ludwig, who strike me as very likely pro-town. Lynch candidates for tonight seem to be meeple and Jspazz. I disagree with both of these choices. Unfortunately I don't have a real great alternative right now, as I don't have time to scour for people who are coasting. Redtooth and Foolishness both posted early on, but haven't given much input once the roleclaims really starting coming in, and haven't given input into lynching. Vivi57 kinda falls in this category as well. Probably other people as well. Also, I really don't like that Flamewheel voted for himself, abstaining is a bad thing for the town, but he's probably town, as I doubt a mafia would want to draw attention to himself. Honestly AcrossFiveJulys(and Citi.zen for that matter) still strikes me as possible mafia, but he's been active, which is worth a lot of suspicion. I'd honestly rather have an active mafia then an inactive townie. Here is the order of roleclaims for reference: 1 tree.hugger tracker 2 ohN Townie 3 LuDwig- Detective 4 Radfield Townie 5 johnnyspazz Townie 6 AcrossFiveJulys Townie 7 RebirthOfLeGend Townie 8 L Townie 9 flamewheel Townie 10 Vivi57 Townie 11 redtooth Townie 12 citi.zen Townie 13 ~ OpZ~ Townie 14 MooCow Detective 15 Foolishness Townie Chezinu meeple We really need more activity in the thread, though it can be assumed that PM's are happening behind the scenes. For now redtooth gets my vote unless he starts posting some more. I may change later. Same old stuff with updated list.. This time Rad uses threat motivation to try and get redtooth to become active! Let's see if this works... On June 12 2010 08:04 Radfield wrote:
interesting, well we certainly don't have a watcher, 2 dt's and a tracker, but we may have 4 blue roles. All blue claimers are safe for tonight as far as I'm concerned, so I recommend people to not Meeple. Jspazz if we must, but not meeple.
DOCTOR: you should think long and hard about protecting tree.hugger as he is our most confirmed townie. But don't be afraid to protect one of the other blue claimers as well. Seems likely one of them will die. Decides Jspazz is better target to kill than meeple after meeple claims.. Tells Doctor to think about protecting tree.hugger but says it is ok if doctor protects another blue claimer... tree.huggers later dies.. On June 12 2010 10:31 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Absolutely. We should also decide on a day 2 lynch candidate, so whomever our dt checks, we can lynch them day 2, and get closer to narrowing down their sanity. I'm leaning towards a low activity townie (redtooth, foolishness, vivi) or AFJ. DT's feel free to use your own discretion, but be prepared to lynch whomever you check tonight. Dts decide to go with A5F.. Finally done!
Conclusion: Rad seems like townie to me. He is consistent yet still flexible to others ideas. He also updated lists and stuff.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote:
Why do I think we have a Hatter? At this point, I think it seems logical. I haven’t seen a standard game yet without some form of extraneous town KP, and the situation right now can boil down to Hatter or Veteran. Maybe there’s both and somebody claimed Townie? Entirely plausible. However, know that I requested Veteran before the game started—the plan was to cause a lot of ruckus to get the Mafia to try to slap me at night, though that request could not be entertained. So what does that mean? It means either somebody else more important got Veteran (though I don’t believe Incognito offered others a choice?) or that there are no Veterans due to balancing issue. The more I think about it, the less likely there is to be a Veteran. Mafia only have 1KP (plus a potential Day Vigi) so a Veteran is a huge deterrence, especially after the day comes about and actions are sorted out when the Veteran claims the hit.
WHOA WHOA WHOA!
So you requested Veteran and got denied. That's great and all. Hey for any non vets out there, did you know that you could request roles before the game starts? I sure didn't.
Hey Incognito, why didn't you PM me and ask me if I wanted a certain role?
On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote:
It means either somebody else more important got Veteran
At this point, everyone is more important than you. "waa waaaa I'm upset I didn't get the role I wanted waaa". Nobody needs to hear your QQ about not getting a "good" role. And now your assumption that "oh well I didn't get that role somebody else must have gotten it because I'm special" now just makes you sound like a pompous player.
Thanks for your contribution there, it really opened my eyes on the current town situation and I feel like I have a better understanding of what's going on.
Oh, can you PLEEEEAAAASSSEEE ask more questions in your posts? I honestly enjoy when someone feigns contribution by writing a bunch of rhetorical questions/possibilities that have already been discussed in the thread.
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On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote:
Another kicker—we can’t be sure if meeple actually watched or not, since he did not announce results. But I want to assume he’s the Watcher. If he isn’t, I’m sure we can tie him down in the future.
Just woke up, nice analysis flamewheel, just want to comment on this:
meeple claimed that he watched ludwig and now knows the identity of the medic.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 14 2010 06:41 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote:
Why do I think we have a Hatter? At this point, I think it seems logical. I haven’t seen a standard game yet without some form of extraneous town KP, and the situation right now can boil down to Hatter or Veteran. Maybe there’s both and somebody claimed Townie? Entirely plausible. However, know that I requested Veteran before the game started—the plan was to cause a lot of ruckus to get the Mafia to try to slap me at night, though that request could not be entertained. So what does that mean? It means either somebody else more important got Veteran (though I don’t believe Incognito offered others a choice?) or that there are no Veterans due to balancing issue. The more I think about it, the less likely there is to be a Veteran. Mafia only have 1KP (plus a potential Day Vigi) so a Veteran is a huge deterrence, especially after the day comes about and actions are sorted out when the Veteran claims the hit.
WHOA WHOA WHOA! So you requested Veteran and got denied. That's great and all. Hey for any non vets out there, did you know that you could request roles before the game starts? I sure didn't. Hey Incognito, why didn't you PM me and ask me if I wanted a certain role? Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote:
It means either somebody else more important got Veteran
At this point, everyone is more important than you. "waa waaaa I'm upset I didn't get the role I wanted waaa". Nobody needs to hear your QQ about not getting a "good" role. And now your assumption that "oh well I didn't get that role somebody else must have gotten it because I'm special" now just makes you sound like a pompous player. Thanks for your contribution there, it really opened my eyes on the current town situation and I feel like I have a better understanding of what's going on. Oh, can you PLEEEEAAAASSSEEE ask more questions in your posts? I honestly enjoy when someone feigns contribution by writing a bunch of rhetorical questions/possibilities that have already been discussed in the thread.
NOBODY CARES.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 14 2010 06:53 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 06:41 Foolishness wrote:On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote:
Why do I think we have a Hatter? At this point, I think it seems logical. I haven’t seen a standard game yet without some form of extraneous town KP, and the situation right now can boil down to Hatter or Veteran. Maybe there’s both and somebody claimed Townie? Entirely plausible. However, know that I requested Veteran before the game started—the plan was to cause a lot of ruckus to get the Mafia to try to slap me at night, though that request could not be entertained. So what does that mean? It means either somebody else more important got Veteran (though I don’t believe Incognito offered others a choice?) or that there are no Veterans due to balancing issue. The more I think about it, the less likely there is to be a Veteran. Mafia only have 1KP (plus a potential Day Vigi) so a Veteran is a huge deterrence, especially after the day comes about and actions are sorted out when the Veteran claims the hit.
WHOA WHOA WHOA! So you requested Veteran and got denied. That's great and all. Hey for any non vets out there, did you know that you could request roles before the game starts? I sure didn't. Hey Incognito, why didn't you PM me and ask me if I wanted a certain role? On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote:
It means either somebody else more important got Veteran
At this point, everyone is more important than you. "waa waaaa I'm upset I didn't get the role I wanted waaa". Nobody needs to hear your QQ about not getting a "good" role. And now your assumption that "oh well I didn't get that role somebody else must have gotten it because I'm special" now just makes you sound like a pompous player. Thanks for your contribution there, it really opened my eyes on the current town situation and I feel like I have a better understanding of what's going on. Oh, can you PLEEEEAAAASSSEEE ask more questions in your posts? I honestly enjoy when someone feigns contribution by writing a bunch of rhetorical questions/possibilities that have already been discussed in the thread. NOBODY CARES.
So when you sent in the PM to Incognito about being the Godfather, did you tell him you were a Veteran? I'm going to be really upset if I find out later that you pussied out and chose to play it safe and be a "townie"
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2010 06:41 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote:
Why do I think we have a Hatter? At this point, I think it seems logical. I haven’t seen a standard game yet without some form of extraneous town KP, and the situation right now can boil down to Hatter or Veteran. Maybe there’s both and somebody claimed Townie? Entirely plausible. However, know that I requested Veteran before the game started—the plan was to cause a lot of ruckus to get the Mafia to try to slap me at night, though that request could not be entertained. So what does that mean? It means either somebody else more important got Veteran (though I don’t believe Incognito offered others a choice?) or that there are no Veterans due to balancing issue. The more I think about it, the less likely there is to be a Veteran. Mafia only have 1KP (plus a potential Day Vigi) so a Veteran is a huge deterrence, especially after the day comes about and actions are sorted out when the Veteran claims the hit.
WHOA WHOA WHOA! So you requested Veteran and got denied. That's great and all. Hey for any non vets out there, did you know that you could request roles before the game starts? I sure didn't. Hey Incognito, why didn't you PM me and ask me if I wanted a certain role? Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote:
It means either somebody else more important got Veteran
At this point, everyone is more important than you. "waa waaaa I'm upset I didn't get the role I wanted waaa". Nobody needs to hear your QQ about not getting a "good" role. And now your assumption that "oh well I didn't get that role somebody else must have gotten it because I'm special" now just makes you sound like a pompous player. Thanks for your contribution there, it really opened my eyes on the current town situation and I feel like I have a better understanding of what's going on. Oh, can you PLEEEEAAAASSSEEE ask more questions in your posts? I honestly enjoy when someone feigns contribution by writing a bunch of rhetorical questions/possibilities that have already been discussed in the thread.
I imagine that because flamewheel hosts so many games, he got a special bonus from a fellow host. Not a big deal.
More importantly, after being mostly inactive since midway through the first day, why are you focusing on this and not more pressing matters?
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On June 14 2010 01:52 ~OpZ~ wrote:
He was role blocked. How many of you realized townies were pm'd if they were role blocked. I mean it seems kinda weird he would be role blocked, but why isn't it possible? Better question is why didn't the watcher watch him anyway? (Whoever said we didn't know if a med was in the game, meeple said the med visited ludwig last night).
I've been thinking about why I was role blocked, and it makes more sense now. Clearly if the watcher watches the person who gets role blocked, we catch a mafioso. With 4 confirmed blues, and the mafia not knowing for sure which blue is which (so they couldn't just role block the watcher), it makes it very risky for them to role block one of the blues for fear that our watcher will happen to watch the role blockie. So they decided to just try to role block the medic through an educated guess (does my posting behavior come across as medicy?).
Now, they did take a risk in hitting tree.hugger, since if meeple was watching tree.hugger he'd have seen who killed him. But I think they didn't want to take a high risk - low reward with their role blocker.
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On June 14 2010 07:12 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2010 06:41 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote:
Why do I think we have a Hatter? At this point, I think it seems logical. I haven’t seen a standard game yet without some form of extraneous town KP, and the situation right now can boil down to Hatter or Veteran. Maybe there’s both and somebody claimed Townie? Entirely plausible. However, know that I requested Veteran before the game started—the plan was to cause a lot of ruckus to get the Mafia to try to slap me at night, though that request could not be entertained. So what does that mean? It means either somebody else more important got Veteran (though I don’t believe Incognito offered others a choice?) or that there are no Veterans due to balancing issue. The more I think about it, the less likely there is to be a Veteran. Mafia only have 1KP (plus a potential Day Vigi) so a Veteran is a huge deterrence, especially after the day comes about and actions are sorted out when the Veteran claims the hit.
WHOA WHOA WHOA! So you requested Veteran and got denied. That's great and all. Hey for any non vets out there, did you know that you could request roles before the game starts? I sure didn't. Hey Incognito, why didn't you PM me and ask me if I wanted a certain role? Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote:
It means either somebody else more important got Veteran
At this point, everyone is more important than you. "waa waaaa I'm upset I didn't get the role I wanted waaa". Nobody needs to hear your QQ about not getting a "good" role. And now your assumption that "oh well I didn't get that role somebody else must have gotten it because I'm special" now just makes you sound like a pompous player. Thanks for your contribution there, it really opened my eyes on the current town situation and I feel like I have a better understanding of what's going on. Oh, can you PLEEEEAAAASSSEEE ask more questions in your posts? I honestly enjoy when someone feigns contribution by writing a bunch of rhetorical questions/possibilities that have already been discussed in the thread. I imagine that because flamewheel hosts so many games, he got a special bonus from a fellow host. Not a big deal. More importantly, after being mostly inactive since midway through the first day, why are you focusing on this and not more pressing matters?
Because he wanted to make a post that appears to have content but doesn't.
Does anyone know how to use TL's search to find all of someone's posts in a certain thread? Would make this much easier for me.
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On June 14 2010 07:15 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 07:12 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2010 06:41 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote:
Why do I think we have a Hatter? At this point, I think it seems logical. I haven’t seen a standard game yet without some form of extraneous town KP, and the situation right now can boil down to Hatter or Veteran. Maybe there’s both and somebody claimed Townie? Entirely plausible. However, know that I requested Veteran before the game started—the plan was to cause a lot of ruckus to get the Mafia to try to slap me at night, though that request could not be entertained. So what does that mean? It means either somebody else more important got Veteran (though I don’t believe Incognito offered others a choice?) or that there are no Veterans due to balancing issue. The more I think about it, the less likely there is to be a Veteran. Mafia only have 1KP (plus a potential Day Vigi) so a Veteran is a huge deterrence, especially after the day comes about and actions are sorted out when the Veteran claims the hit.
WHOA WHOA WHOA! So you requested Veteran and got denied. That's great and all. Hey for any non vets out there, did you know that you could request roles before the game starts? I sure didn't. Hey Incognito, why didn't you PM me and ask me if I wanted a certain role? Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote:
It means either somebody else more important got Veteran
At this point, everyone is more important than you. "waa waaaa I'm upset I didn't get the role I wanted waaa". Nobody needs to hear your QQ about not getting a "good" role. And now your assumption that "oh well I didn't get that role somebody else must have gotten it because I'm special" now just makes you sound like a pompous player. Thanks for your contribution there, it really opened my eyes on the current town situation and I feel like I have a better understanding of what's going on. Oh, can you PLEEEEAAAASSSEEE ask more questions in your posts? I honestly enjoy when someone feigns contribution by writing a bunch of rhetorical questions/possibilities that have already been discussed in the thread. I imagine that because flamewheel hosts so many games, he got a special bonus from a fellow host. Not a big deal. More importantly, after being mostly inactive since midway through the first day, why are you focusing on this and not more pressing matters? Because he wanted to make a post that appears to have content but doesn't. Does anyone know how to use TL's search to find all of someone's posts in a certain thread? Would make this much easier for me.
Still waiting for your bit on the inactive Foolishness, L.
I like how he won't be around for 48 hours but only steps up to attack my post without offering anything himself.
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Apparently he's going to be more active starting today. (according to a PM exchange I had with him)
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Its like the fifth time I used that for foolishness. I guess I was misspelling his name.
Post comin' soon :3
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On June 14 2010 06:41 Foolishness wrote:
Hey for any non vets out there, did you know that you could request roles before the game starts? I sure didn't.
lol, I requested a special in Callers game saying I would join if he gave me on and ask for the number 7 slot on the sign up list so I could be a "G". He gave them both for me. But I got shot day 1...
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 13 2010 08:15 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Hey guys, just wanted to let you know I got role blocked last night. Guess the mafia thought I was blue. What this is means is that if no one else claims to have been role blocked last night, this is evidence for me being town-aligned, which means that we should be able to narrow down what kind of detective ludwig is. Of course, there is the possibility that if I was mafia, mafia could waste a role block on me to create this exact situation to prevent me from being lynched, but hey, I'm just saying what happened.
Does anybody else feel like this post was scripted? It reminds me of PYP mafia when Radfield pretended to be saved by a medic even though he had no way of knowing he was saved (and he turned out to be the Assassin).
Starting with the positives, it's good that you claimed to be role blocked as that potentially reveals your innocence. It's good that yes, this could mean your death will help us figure out the detectives alignment.
But now I'm really curious. Of particular notice to me was the time stamps on the posts:
On June 13 2010 08:06 Incognito wrote:
On June 13 2010 08:15 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Assuming Incognito didn't tell you night action until day post went up, you busted out your claim there in a whopping 9 minutes. That seems to me like you were waiting for the post to come up before posting your claim of being roleblocked.
I'm not denying you got roleblocked, I'm saying you're mafia, and the mafia purposely roleblocked you to try to save you.
Consider this, Ludwig announces that he's rolechecking AFJ, for whatever reason. Ludwig seems to be a spur-of-the-moment kinda guy, so let's think about what happens. Assuming AFJ is mafia, the mafia team upon reading Ludwig's post is going to be all "shit shit shit what do we do". They know MooCow still had to send in his hit as well so that puts them in a very very awkward scenario.
With two detectives, AFJ is going to get crosschecked. If one of the results turn up mafia, then he's going to almost certainly die, no matter what his alignment in. Mafia know this, so they try to come up with a plan to try to save AFJ. The way they can do that is by roleblocking AFJ. AFJ can claim in the thread that he got roleblocked, and even if detectives give him a mafia, he will be spared (hopefully).
Which seems great and dandy except the mafia have absolutely no reason to roleblock AFJ. The mafia know AFJ is getting cross checked, why would they bother to roleblock him? Especially considering four blues claimed in the thread.
Even if the mafia predecided "k we're sniping tree.hugger no matter what" there's no reason why they would not choose to roleblock meeple. Meeple, is the only one who claimed watcher, and thus the mafia can be assured that the identity of the roleblocker will not be revealed if they roleblock him. The only way things could go badly if there's another watcher (seems unlikely given 2 cops) or if tree.hugger doesn't die and happens to track the roleblocker. Seeing as how the plan was for him to track one of the two DT's, or possibly meeple, that wouldn't happen.
Given that the mafia chose not roleblocking meeple, which would have been nearly 100% safe for them to do, tells us that something is wrong. Plus, out of all people, why block AFJ? Does anyone think he's done anything to merit being a possible blue.
On June 13 2010 10:04 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
and yes radfield, I find it random that I was role blocked too. perhaps they suspected I'm a vig or medic?
Except it doesn't make sense for the mafia to suspect that. Nor does it make sense to roleblock the person the DTs are checking.
On June 13 2010 11:26 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Also, reiterating, if anyone else wants to say they got role blocked, please do. If no one else speaks up you should be able to put some trust in that I was the one role blocked and therefore probably not mafia. If someone does speak up then it will be obvious that they are mafia if I get lynched and flip town.
You put a lot of emphasis on this point in your first post and in this one. You knew that you were getting roleblocked so you say this sort of thing to prove your innocence. You say "Of course, there is the possibility that if I was mafia, mafia could waste a role block on me to create this exact situation to prevent me from being lynched" to try to prove yourself innocent.
Did you really think that situation through in under 9 minutes after you received the PM that you got roleblocked? It took me a while to realize that something was odd about the roleblock and that the explanation that you are mafia is the only thing that makes sense. You being able to process all that through in 9 minutes is quite impressive...
Most people if they got roleblock would probably not claim immediately and be like "shit shit what do I do? Mafia want me dead...shit shit". I would expect said person would not claim until after multiple people have posted saying "yes, if you got roleblocked, please claim in the thread". Jumping the gun and posting you got blocked is wayyy too odd.
People have already outlined the scenario that none of the DTs are normal. Given that there's already a watcher and a tracker, don't you think a normal DT would be a bit too good for the town? I don't think the results of the checks mean anything given that AFJ was roleblocked.
On June 13 2010 11:56 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Incognito, I'd appreciate it if you'd state that greens get PMd when they get role blocked.
L, sure, I'm looking forward to what the watcher has to say. If he did watch me he'll find that I was visited by a mafia and even be able to give us who it was. But that would mean the mafia fucked up massively last night by role blocking me given that they knew I was going to be watched...
I also never recall it being the plan for the watcher to watch the person who was getting checked by the DT. The plan was for the watcher/tracker to look at the DT's (or tracker to track the watcher). I don't remember reading anything about "k, DT's and watcher all go on same person".
Overall, you getting roleblock makes no sense given the amount of roleclaims in the thread. You posting yourself getting blocked 9 minutes after day starts (and not to mention posting something that feels very scripted) does not follow a typical innocent attitude.
I'll comment on this since you just posted it as well:
On June 14 2010 07:12 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 01:52 ~OpZ~ wrote:
He was role blocked. How many of you realized townies were pm'd if they were role blocked. I mean it seems kinda weird he would be role blocked, but why isn't it possible? Better question is why didn't the watcher watch him anyway? (Whoever said we didn't know if a med was in the game, meeple said the med visited ludwig last night).
I've been thinking about why I was role blocked, and it makes more sense now. Clearly if the watcher watches the person who gets role blocked, we catch a mafioso. With 4 confirmed blues, and the mafia not knowing for sure which blue is which (so they couldn't just role block the watcher), it makes it very risky for them to role block one of the blues for fear that our watcher will happen to watch the role blockie. So they decided to just try to role block the medic through an educated guess (does my posting behavior come across as medicy?). Now, they did take a risk in hitting tree.hugger, since if meeple was watching tree.hugger he'd have seen who killed him. But I think they didn't want to take a high risk - low reward with their role blocker.
The problem here is that the mafia could have roleblocked meeple without much worry. Sure, meeple could claim he was roleblocked, but he's the only one who claimed watcher. Furthermore roleblocking meeple would have halted our finding out about the innocence of our two DTs.
I'm sure the mafia is happy about killing tree.hugger, but their choice not to roleblock meeple has apparently given rise to a powerful town circle of blues. Was it really worth it for them to waste their roleblock like that? Definitely not.
It's a bigger risk for the mafia to try to kill tree.hugger than to try to roleblock meeple (or tree.hugger for that matter). As outlined before, the only way roleblocking meeple would turn out bad is if tree.hugger decided to be stupid and track some random guy. Knowing tree.hugger that's highly unlikely. Hitting tree.hugger is incredibly risky though. He has a good chance of being medic protected, and if he got protted the a big town circle would form. And although the plan was for meeple to watch a DT, meeple could have easily justified watching tree.hugger. (imagine this, day 2 started and meeple says "hey guys so I decided to watch tree.hugger, person X visited him so he must be mafia"). I'm pretty sure we would kill that person without much hesitation.
Thus the mafia took a big risk in hitting tree.hugger; a risk that is definitely much bigger than roleblocking one of the claimed blues.
And no, your posting is not medicy, it's mafiay. If you're indirectly trying to claim, best do it now.
On June 14 2010 07:34 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Apparently he's going to be more active starting today. (according to a PM exchange I had with him)
I told you in the PM you posted to keep PMing me. You didn't do that.
I also sent this to AFJ upon finding he didn't respond to my PM:
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No response to my earlier PM? How sad...I really thought you were innocent but now I'm second guessing my self...
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And he still didn't respond. And I sent this awhile ago and keep expecting a response sooner or later given that he's posting in the thread. Why would he ignore me if he was innocent?
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correction: That was Incog's game. It was Mini Mafia 2
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Proof:
+ Show Spoiler +From: Incognito [ 1198 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: you can always bribe me to join...
Date: 11/14/09 09:57
Ok.
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Original Message:
Can I be brown?
On team GOSU?
need someone to sign up for number 6 before I can get to be number 7... Last game I was at the end of Gosu, I think I'll do better if I start off with Gosu..
Then when I got my role:
+ Show Spoiler +From: Incognito [ 1198 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Mini Mafia II - Role
Date: 1/5/10 15:11
Welcome to Mini Mafia II!
Your role is: Detective
PM Incognito if you have any questions about your role.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 14 2010 07:12 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2010 06:41 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote:
Why do I think we have a Hatter? At this point, I think it seems logical. I haven’t seen a standard game yet without some form of extraneous town KP, and the situation right now can boil down to Hatter or Veteran. Maybe there’s both and somebody claimed Townie? Entirely plausible. However, know that I requested Veteran before the game started—the plan was to cause a lot of ruckus to get the Mafia to try to slap me at night, though that request could not be entertained. So what does that mean? It means either somebody else more important got Veteran (though I don’t believe Incognito offered others a choice?) or that there are no Veterans due to balancing issue. The more I think about it, the less likely there is to be a Veteran. Mafia only have 1KP (plus a potential Day Vigi) so a Veteran is a huge deterrence, especially after the day comes about and actions are sorted out when the Veteran claims the hit.
WHOA WHOA WHOA! So you requested Veteran and got denied. That's great and all. Hey for any non vets out there, did you know that you could request roles before the game starts? I sure didn't. Hey Incognito, why didn't you PM me and ask me if I wanted a certain role? Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote:
It means either somebody else more important got Veteran
At this point, everyone is more important than you. "waa waaaa I'm upset I didn't get the role I wanted waaa". Nobody needs to hear your QQ about not getting a "good" role. And now your assumption that "oh well I didn't get that role somebody else must have gotten it because I'm special" now just makes you sound like a pompous player. Thanks for your contribution there, it really opened my eyes on the current town situation and I feel like I have a better understanding of what's going on. Oh, can you PLEEEEAAAASSSEEE ask more questions in your posts? I honestly enjoy when someone feigns contribution by writing a bunch of rhetorical questions/possibilities that have already been discussed in the thread. I imagine that because flamewheel hosts so many games, he got a special bonus from a fellow host. Not a big deal. More importantly, after being mostly inactive since midway through the first day, why are you focusing on this and not more pressing matters?
Oh it's a huge deal. You got townie right? Think about it. You may have originally gotten a role but got copped out because someone privileged wanted it.
On June 14 2010 07:15 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 07:12 Radfield wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 14 2010 06:41 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote:
Why do I think we have a Hatter? At this point, I think it seems logical. I haven’t seen a standard game yet without some form of extraneous town KP, and the situation right now can boil down to Hatter or Veteran. Maybe there’s both and somebody claimed Townie? Entirely plausible. However, know that I requested Veteran before the game started—the plan was to cause a lot of ruckus to get the Mafia to try to slap me at night, though that request could not be entertained. So what does that mean? It means either somebody else more important got Veteran (though I don’t believe Incognito offered others a choice?) or that there are no Veterans due to balancing issue. The more I think about it, the less likely there is to be a Veteran. Mafia only have 1KP (plus a potential Day Vigi) so a Veteran is a huge deterrence, especially after the day comes about and actions are sorted out when the Veteran claims the hit.
WHOA WHOA WHOA! So you requested Veteran and got denied. That's great and all. Hey for any non vets out there, did you know that you could request roles before the game starts? I sure didn't. Hey Incognito, why didn't you PM me and ask me if I wanted a certain role? Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 04:37 flamewheel wrote:
It means either somebody else more important got Veteran
At this point, everyone is more important than you. "waa waaaa I'm upset I didn't get the role I wanted waaa". Nobody needs to hear your QQ about not getting a "good" role. And now your assumption that "oh well I didn't get that role somebody else must have gotten it because I'm special" now just makes you sound like a pompous player. Thanks for your contribution there, it really opened my eyes on the current town situation and I feel like I have a better understanding of what's going on. Oh, can you PLEEEEAAAASSSEEE ask more questions in your posts? I honestly enjoy when someone feigns contribution by writing a bunch of rhetorical questions/possibilities that have already been discussed in the thread. I imagine that because flamewheel hosts so many games, he got a special bonus from a fellow host. Not a big deal. More importantly, after being mostly inactive since midway through the first day, why are you focusing on this and not more pressing matters? Because he wanted to make a post that appears to have content but doesn't. Does anyone know how to use TL's search to find all of someone's posts in a certain thread? Would make this much easier for me.
I appreciate the concern, but I just made a post with content (although I'm sure you're going to claim otherwise for the sake of your argument). And AFJ even posted my PM where I said I'd be gone for a bit. I know I'm going to regret writing this because you're going to jump on me and claim I'm mafia off of ridiculous assumptions, but as you said "haters bring the hate".
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So here's my post on Foolishness:
Foolishness at the time of me writing this has:
Posts at the: 66 84 100 111 168 173 179 283 429 432 positions in the thread. There's a very strong concentration around the early game, then a strong trending presence late.
66-100: Foolishnesses first three posts are pre-game, but they're very interesting in light of developments to come.
In 66, Foolishness basically jokes and says he's been mafia quite a lot and that he wants to be mafia again.
In 84, Foolishness asks for the game to be delayed if people want him to play, then he's cool with the starting time in 100 and signs up.
In 111, Foolishness asks if PMing is allowed. K.
Post game start:
In 168 Foolishness basically puts up an empty post. He does nothing more than lightly beratethe plan and tell someone else he doesn't care about something. Odd.
In 173 he starts dogging flamewheel with an admittedly Chez-like post. He asks a bunch of questions and leaves things like that. Again: Odd.
In 179 he basically starts up by stating that tree.hugger couldn't possibly be the tracker because claiming would be stupid. He also suggests killing Ohn in a one liner and drops the idea. This post marks the first bit of Foolishness's productive content.
100 posts later in 283, Foolishness makes a one liner townie claim.
429 rips on Flamewheel for rather irrelevant shit.
432 paints Flamewheel as Godfather because he asked the host for a role.
Foolishness has 2 posts after this.
1 is large and with real content.
The other is small and does not.
First, to deal with a claim made of me:
I appreciate the concern, but I just made a post with content (although I'm sure you're going to claim otherwise for the sake of your argument). And AFJ even posted my PM where I said I'd be gone for a bit. I know I'm going to regret writing this because you're going to jump on me and claim I'm mafia off of ridiculous assumptions, but as you said "haters bring the hate".
No, you don't appreciate the concern. You didn't post that PM in the thread. You didn't tell the town that you were going to be afk. You replied to a PM and stayed silent about your activity, trying to downplay suspicion. You clearly weren't as afk as you'd have liked it to appear because you were worming around in PMs. Why the hell wouldn't you go "hey bros, busy weekend"? I had a lot of work to do this week and said so. Why hide shit?
What's more, why the well timed inactivity and reappearance? You specificially wanted the game to start later then were happy about its start time, so what's up with that? You've been known to do this in many of your games as blue or mafia, you go afk at the start to keep yourself alive until you're excessively prodded, and only then do you go to work. Typically you wait until day 3, but I guess you were worried that AFJ would pass the buck onto you today?
I mean, I have no idea what to think here. You're either the medic, the day vig or a mafia member. That said, you're suspicious as all hell. I wouldn't advocate killing you today, nor do I feel like pushing against you because I think there's a high possibility that it'll force meeple to come out to defend you if you are the medic, which would essentially end the game for us.
There's a lot in your post history that doesn't add up. I'm going to check something so give me a few hours.
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United States3044 Posts
On June 14 2010 08:26 L wrote:So here's my post on Foolishness: Foolishness at the time of me writing this has: Posts at the: 66 84 100 111 168 173 179 283 429 432 positions in the thread. There's a very strong concentration around the early game, then a strong trending presence late. 66-100: Foolishnesses first three posts are pre-game, but they're very interesting in light of developments to come. In 66, Foolishness basically jokes and says he's been mafia quite a lot and that he wants to be mafia again. In 84, Foolishness asks for the game to be delayed if people want him to play, then he's cool with the starting time in 100 and signs up. In 111, Foolishness asks if PMing is allowed. K. Post game start: In 168 Foolishness basically puts up an empty post. He does nothing more than lightly beratethe plan and tell someone else he doesn't care about something. Odd. In 173 he starts dogging flamewheel with an admittedly Chez-like post. He asks a bunch of questions and leaves things like that. Again: Odd. In 179 he basically starts up by stating that tree.hugger couldn't possibly be the tracker because claiming would be stupid. He also suggests killing Ohn in a one liner and drops the idea. This post marks the first bit of Foolishness's productive content. 100 posts later in 283, Foolishness makes a one liner townie claim. 429 rips on Flamewheel for rather irrelevant shit. 432 paints Flamewheel as Godfather because he asked the host for a role. Foolishness has 2 posts after this. 1 is large and with real content. The other is small and does not. First, to deal with a claim made of me: Show nested quote +I appreciate the concern, but I just made a post with content (although I'm sure you're going to claim otherwise for the sake of your argument). And AFJ even posted my PM where I said I'd be gone for a bit. I know I'm going to regret writing this because you're going to jump on me and claim I'm mafia off of ridiculous assumptions, but as you said "haters bring the hate". No, you don't appreciate the concern. You didn't post that PM in the thread. You didn't tell the town that you were going to be afk. You replied to a PM and stayed silent about your activity, trying to downplay suspicion. You clearly weren't as afk as you'd have liked it to appear because you were worming around in PMs. Why the hell wouldn't you go "hey bros, busy weekend"? I had a lot of work to do this week and said so. Why hide shit?
Because that's not what I do. Have you ever seen me post in the thread "k guys I got shit to do be back in a day or two"? I seldom do that because I hate people who do that. People doing that is what spawned my whole NOBODY CARES syndrome. If I started doing that I would look like a hypocrite.
On June 14 2010 08:26 L wrote:
What's more, why the well timed inactivity and reappearance? You specificially wanted the game to start later then were happy about its start time, so what's up with that? You've been known to do this in many of your games as blue or mafia, you go afk at the start to keep yourself alive until you're excessively prodded, and only then do you go to work. Typically you wait until day 3, but I guess you were worried that AFJ would pass the buck onto you today?
Because I told Incognito I wanted the game to start on Sunday (today). And I said I realized that was probably a bit infeasible so I told him if he waited until Wednesday I would play, but that I might be a bit inactive the first day or two.
As I recall, I always seem to go afk at the start to keep myself alive. In Mafia XV I did the same thing as green and mafia killed me first night since they thought I was blue. I've done it every game no matter what role I was. So yeah you are right in that matter, but it doesn't mean anything about my alignment this game.
On June 14 2010 08:26 L wrote:
I mean, I have no idea what to think here. You're either the medic, the day vig or a mafia member. That said, you're suspicious as all hell. I wouldn't advocate killing you today, nor do I feel like pushing against you because I think there's a high possibility that it'll force meeple to come out to defend you if you are the medic, which would essentially end the game for us.
There's a lot in your post history that doesn't add up. I'm going to check something so give me a few hours.
Then wait until tomorrow to push against me if you feel I'm still suspect. That said, do you have any opinion about what I posted about AcrossFiveJulys? Or any reason why we should or shouldn't kill him? He's been awfully quiet since I made that post nor has he responded to my PMs.
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First off, foolishness, I appreciate you taking the time to write this post and trying to think logically. I'll respond to your salient points:
On June 14 2010 07:43 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 08:15 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Hey guys, just wanted to let you know I got role blocked last night. Guess the mafia thought I was blue. What this is means is that if no one else claims to have been role blocked last night, this is evidence for me being town-aligned, which means that we should be able to narrow down what kind of detective ludwig is. Of course, there is the possibility that if I was mafia, mafia could waste a role block on me to create this exact situation to prevent me from being lynched, but hey, I'm just saying what happened. Does anybody else feel like this post was scripted? It reminds me of PYP mafia when Radfield pretended to be saved by a medic even though he had no way of knowing he was saved (and he turned out to be the Assassin). Starting with the positives, it's good that you claimed to be role blocked as that potentially reveals your innocence. It's good that yes, this could mean your death will help us figure out the detectives alignment. But now I'm really curious. Of particular notice to me was the time stamps on the posts: Assuming Incognito didn't tell you night action until day post went up, you busted out your claim there in a whopping 9 minutes. That seems to me like you were waiting for the post to come up before posting your claim of being roleblocked.
It was late in my lab and I was f5'ing the thread in between analyzing my experiments.
I'm not denying you got roleblocked, I'm saying you're mafia, and the mafia purposely roleblocked you to try to save you.
Consider this, Ludwig announces that he's rolechecking AFJ, for whatever reason. Ludwig seems to be a spur-of-the-moment kinda guy, so let's think about what happens. Assuming AFJ is mafia, the mafia team upon reading Ludwig's post is going to be all "shit shit shit what do we do". They know MooCow still had to send in his hit as well so that puts them in a very very awkward scenario.
With two detectives, AFJ is going to get crosschecked. If one of the results turn up mafia, then he's going to almost certainly die, no matter what his alignment in. Mafia know this, so they try to come up with a plan to try to save AFJ. The way they can do that is by roleblocking AFJ. AFJ can claim in the thread that he got roleblocked, and even if detectives give him a mafia, he will be spared (hopefully).
so in this scenario where I'm mafia and the mafia is trying to figure out how to save me, the only way this plan would actually save me is if both rolechecks come up green? Sounds like a great plan to me.
Which seems great and dandy except the mafia have absolutely no reason to roleblock AFJ. The mafia know AFJ is getting cross checked, why would they bother to roleblock him? Especially considering four blues claimed in the thread.
Even if the mafia predecided "k we're sniping tree.hugger no matter what" there's no reason why they would not choose to roleblock meeple. Meeple, is the only one who claimed watcher, and thus the mafia can be assured that the identity of the roleblocker will not be revealed if they roleblock him. The only way things could go badly if there's another watcher (seems unlikely given 2 cops) or if tree.hugger doesn't die and happens to track the roleblocker. Seeing as how the plan was for him to track one of the two DT's, or possibly meeple, that wouldn't happen.
the mafia clearly didn't want to take the risk that meeple actually wasn't the watcher. maybe they thought the town's plan was to bait the role blocker into blocking meeple when meeple isn't actually the watcher.
Given that the mafia chose not roleblocking meeple, which would have been nearly 100% safe for them to do, tells us that something is wrong. Plus, out of all people, why block AFJ? Does anyone think he's done anything to merit being a possible blue. Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 10:04 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
and yes radfield, I find it random that I was role blocked too. perhaps they suspected I'm a vig or medic? Except it doesn't make sense for the mafia to suspect that. Nor does it make sense to roleblock the person the DTs are checking. Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 11:26 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Also, reiterating, if anyone else wants to say they got role blocked, please do. If no one else speaks up you should be able to put some trust in that I was the one role blocked and therefore probably not mafia. If someone does speak up then it will be obvious that they are mafia if I get lynched and flip town. You put a lot of emphasis on this point in your first post and in this one. You knew that you were getting roleblocked so you say this sort of thing to prove your innocence. You say "Of course, there is the possibility that if I was mafia, mafia could waste a role block on me to create this exact situation to prevent me from being lynched" to try to prove yourself innocent. Did you really think that situation through in under 9 minutes after you received the PM that you got roleblocked? It took me a while to realize that something was odd about the roleblock and that the explanation that you are mafia is the only thing that makes sense. You being able to process all that through in 9 minutes is quite impressive...
when you spend every day working in machine learning research analyzing a simple situation like "why did i get role blocked last night" in 9 minutes isn't exactly a huge feat.
Most people if they got roleblock would probably not claim immediately and be like "shit shit what do I do? Mafia want me dead...shit shit". I would expect said person would not claim until after multiple people have posted saying "yes, if you got roleblocked, please claim in the thread". Jumping the gun and posting you got blocked is wayyy too odd.
Well, people were already accusing me of being mafia on day 1. I thought it would be pertinent information, and that releasing it right after the night was over would make it obvious that I didn't just come up with it out of nowhere in the middle of day2 (like now) when people are on my case and it seems likely that I'll get lynched.
People have already outlined the scenario that none of the DTs are normal. Given that there's already a watcher and a tracker, don't you think a normal DT would be a bit too good for the town? I don't think the results of the checks mean anything given that AFJ was roleblocked. Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 11:56 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Incognito, I'd appreciate it if you'd state that greens get PMd when they get role blocked.
L, sure, I'm looking forward to what the watcher has to say. If he did watch me he'll find that I was visited by a mafia and even be able to give us who it was. But that would mean the mafia fucked up massively last night by role blocking me given that they knew I was going to be watched... I also never recall it being the plan for the watcher to watch the person who was getting checked by the DT. The plan was for the watcher/tracker to look at the DT's (or tracker to track the watcher). I don't remember reading anything about "k, DT's and watcher all go on same person". Overall, you getting roleblock makes no sense given the amount of roleclaims in the thread. You posting yourself getting blocked 9 minutes after day starts (and not to mention posting something that feels very scripted) does not follow a typical innocent attitude. I'll comment on this since you just posted it as well: Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 07:12 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 14 2010 01:52 ~OpZ~ wrote:
He was role blocked. How many of you realized townies were pm'd if they were role blocked. I mean it seems kinda weird he would be role blocked, but why isn't it possible? Better question is why didn't the watcher watch him anyway? (Whoever said we didn't know if a med was in the game, meeple said the med visited ludwig last night).
I've been thinking about why I was role blocked, and it makes more sense now. Clearly if the watcher watches the person who gets role blocked, we catch a mafioso. With 4 confirmed blues, and the mafia not knowing for sure which blue is which (so they couldn't just role block the watcher), it makes it very risky for them to role block one of the blues for fear that our watcher will happen to watch the role blockie. So they decided to just try to role block the medic through an educated guess (does my posting behavior come across as medicy?). Now, they did take a risk in hitting tree.hugger, since if meeple was watching tree.hugger he'd have seen who killed him. But I think they didn't want to take a high risk - low reward with their role blocker. The problem here is that the mafia could have roleblocked meeple without much worry. Sure, meeple could claim he was roleblocked, but he's the only one who claimed watcher. Furthermore roleblocking meeple would have halted our finding out about the innocence of our two DTs. I'm sure the mafia is happy about killing tree.hugger, but their choice not to roleblock meeple has apparently given rise to a powerful town circle of blues. Was it really worth it for them to waste their roleblock like that? Definitely not.
you're just repeating yourself here. see my response above.
It's a bigger risk for the mafia to try to kill tree.hugger than to try to roleblock meeple (or tree.hugger for that matter). As outlined before, the only way roleblocking meeple would turn out bad is if tree.hugger decided to be stupid and track some random guy. Knowing tree.hugger that's highly unlikely. Hitting tree.hugger is incredibly risky though. He has a good chance of being medic protected, and if he got protted the a big town circle would form. And although the plan was for meeple to watch a DT, meeple could have easily justified watching tree.hugger. (imagine this, day 2 started and meeple says "hey guys so I decided to watch tree.hugger, person X visited him so he must be mafia"). I'm pretty sure we would kill that person without much hesitation.
Thus the mafia took a big risk in hitting tree.hugger; a risk that is definitely much bigger than roleblocking one of the claimed blues.
And no, your posting is not medicy, it's mafiay. If you're indirectly trying to claim, best do it now.
I'm not the medic.
Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 07:34 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Apparently he's going to be more active starting today. (according to a PM exchange I had with him) I told you in the PM you posted to keep PMing me. You didn't do that. I also sent this to AFJ upon finding he didn't respond to my PM: ----- No response to my earlier PM? How sad...I really thought you were innocent but now I'm second guessing my self... ----- And he still didn't respond. And I sent this awhile ago and keep expecting a response sooner or later given that he's posting in the thread. Why would he ignore me if he was innocent?
Yeah how inviting your response was:
+ Show Spoiler +I had very little opinion on the matter that would've meant anything. It's irrelevant. If you really want to know, I'm incredibly busy because I'm graduating this weekend. Once it's sunday I'll be active as normal, but I told Incognito if I were to play I'd be a bit inactive the first day or so.
I glad you're trying to seek out inactive people and figure things out, but you need to concern yourself with more pressing matters, like which of the blues that claimed so far is lying.
Would you really believe 4 blues would claim all on the first day all based off of some one paragraph plan that wasn't even thoroughly discussed? As a townie, you should be more concerned about the current situation. Worry about me in 2 days (real life days I mean). Of course you can still PM me, just don't expect a response in a timely manner for another 48 hours.
Wow it's so mafiaish that I didn't respond to someone who said they wouldn't respond in a timely manner for another 48 hours!
I really don't know about you foolishness. It seems to me like you are trying to play off the suspicions that have been on me all game (and which somewhat dissipated earlier) to get me lynched. This is a mafia, a game of many unobservables, so placing someone into a role isn't that difficult, especially when you have a large collection of their posts (I bet I've been the most active in the thread) and an interesting event involving them at your disposal (me getting role blocked). That being said, you've come up with a rather unlikely scenario for me being mafia.
Also, why is everyone so willing to believe that both of our detectives are naiive or insane? If anything, it seems like it would be most likely that at least one of the detectives is sane. The people championing the possibility that both detectives are broken should be analyzed, because that is classic "confuse the town" mafia behavior.
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Vivi57 just ninja'd a vote:
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##vote AcrossFiveJulys
to help confirm sanities. I may or may not muster up enough energy to do a pbpa of citizen/foolishness/meeple/moocow later so this vote is also here incase I don't make it back in time.
People, if you are just looking at the last page of the thread, vote for me ONLY if you think I'm suspicious as mafia, NOT if you think it's going to reduce detective uncertainty. If I get lyched and flip green, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are naiive or sane. If I get lynched and flip red, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are insane or naiive. So guess what? This doesn't help much; either way they could still both (or the 1) be naiive. The only way to know for sure the detective(s) sanity after that will be if the detective happens to get back a red role check and you lynch them. Banking on that happening soon isn't smart. This is not a good plan for the town, people.
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The night is over in 35 minutes please place votes and do not let 3 people decide who gets lynched today. I'm voting for foolishness because he comes off very scummy to me after reading his last few posts, his inactive->accusatory behavior, and L's analysis of him.
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uhh, We still have 24 more hours.. Isn't day 48 hours this game? wait a minute it isn't night..
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On June 14 2010 09:30 Chezinu wrote:
uhh, We still have 24 more hours.. Isn't day 48 hours this game? wait a minute it isn't night..
oh jesus I thought it ended tonight. nevermind.
move along nothing to see here folks...
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On June 14 2010 09:31 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 09:30 Chezinu wrote:
uhh, We still have 24 more hours.. Isn't day 48 hours this game? wait a minute it isn't night.. oh jesus I thought it ended tonight. nevermind. move along nothing to see here folks...
Next you should threaten people that they would get modkilled, hehe..
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On June 14 2010 09:23 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Vivi57 just ninja'd a vote: + Show Spoiler +
##vote AcrossFiveJulys
to help confirm sanities. I may or may not muster up enough energy to do a pbpa of citizen/foolishness/meeple/moocow later so this vote is also here incase I don't make it back in time.
People, if you are just looking at the last page of the thread, vote for me ONLY if you think I'm suspicious as mafia, NOT if you think it's going to reduce detective uncertainty. If I get lyched and flip green, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are naiive or sane. If I get lynched and flip red, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are insane or naiive. So guess what? This doesn't help much; either way they could still both (or the 1) be naiive. The only way to know for sure the detective(s) sanity after that will be if the detective happens to get back a red role check and you lynch them. Banking on that happening soon isn't smart. This is not a good plan for the town, people.
This is a pretty good argument imo,
Oh! another tip: If you are the person about to get killed you should totally pretend to be Dvig and type a command to kill someone. That will add suspense!
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hmm, Mod question:
If a Dvig and another person are tied for the lynch and the Dvig kills one of the people who voted for him right before voting ends, does the other person get lynched?
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On June 14 2010 09:34 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 09:23 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Vivi57 just ninja'd a vote: + Show Spoiler +
##vote AcrossFiveJulys
to help confirm sanities. I may or may not muster up enough energy to do a pbpa of citizen/foolishness/meeple/moocow later so this vote is also here incase I don't make it back in time.
People, if you are just looking at the last page of the thread, vote for me ONLY if you think I'm suspicious as mafia, NOT if you think it's going to reduce detective uncertainty. If I get lyched and flip green, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are naiive or sane. If I get lynched and flip red, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are insane or naiive. So guess what? This doesn't help much; either way they could still both (or the 1) be naiive. The only way to know for sure the detective(s) sanity after that will be if the detective happens to get back a red role check and you lynch them. Banking on that happening soon isn't smart. This is not a good plan for the town, people. This is a pretty good argument imo, Oh! another tip: If you are the person about to get killed you should totally pretend to be Dvig and type a command to kill someone. That will add suspense!
Both you and radfield milked all the cool suspense out of that Dvig trick no one will be fooled by that anymore
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Vivi57 you have some talking to do.
Chezinu's question is interesting though...
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aww, I should have read the rules more before posting.. I could have pretended to be a mafia Dvig and hide the message in a secret code asking the mafia to contact me... Then I after I get in contact with whoever PMs me I could have faked kill someone and lolled.. New roles have so much potential!
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Based on the clues in the Day 1 post, I think town has more blues than is currently suggested. What makes me say that? Well, I think there could be a mafia-aligned Dvig since incognito died as a town-aligned Dvig.. So that means town has more enemies than we anticipated.. thus we might have more Blues...
PS: Dvig don't kill me; I could be on your side..whether your town-aligned or mafia-aligned... I'm scared now... there could be a gun pointed at me... should I role claim? Dvig please contact me via PM...
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I have more alternative theories, What if there is no roleblocker? What if there was both a town-aligned and mafia-aligned Dvig? What if I'm acting like myself and just writing questions because no one is talking?
+ Show Spoiler +Dear Dvig,
Please don't kill me. It would not be funny only for a moment. Then after I'm dead, you will realize how boring this game would be. It would be more fun if you team up with me.
PS: Don't take this as a taunt, but if you do - just don't blame me if I happen to have a bomb on you which I probably don't because I don't have any bombs unless someone placed one on me last night..
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Foolishness, I have a problem.
Your last defense is essentially:
I hate people who give the town information.
and
I play anti-town every game (ignoring the fact that you've been mafia for the vast majority of your recent games).
That's pretty fucked.
I've finished the thing I mentioned earlier, so I'm pretty solid on the idea that we shouldn't kill you for today. That said, if we kill AFJ today and he flips red, you are 100% our next target.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 14 2010 09:23 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Vivi57 just ninja'd a vote: + Show Spoiler +
##vote AcrossFiveJulys
to help confirm sanities. I may or may not muster up enough energy to do a pbpa of citizen/foolishness/meeple/moocow later so this vote is also here incase I don't make it back in time.
People, if you are just looking at the last page of the thread, vote for me ONLY if you think I'm suspicious as mafia, NOT if you think it's going to reduce detective uncertainty. If I get lyched and flip green, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are naiive or sane. If I get lynched and flip red, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are insane or naiive. So guess what? This doesn't help much; either way they could still both (or the 1) be naiive. The only way to know for sure the detective(s) sanity after that will be if the detective happens to get back a red role check and you lynch them. Banking on that happening soon isn't smart. This is not a good plan for the town, people.
This is simply not a good argument. Yes, it takes minimum two nights to figure out a detective's sanity, we all realize that. Night one we narrow it down to two possibilities. If you flip red, then we know that the detectives are either insane or naive. Now we get them to check someone who they trust to be town-aligned: A green result means they're naive, a red result insane. Bingo, we have the alignments down. It takes two nights, but it's worth it. Our medic and watcher should be able to scare off the mafia from taking down the blue roles(tree.hugger ) so we'll probably still have everyone on board by that time.
Or, we don't lynch you, learn nothing about the sanities, and basically disregard our two detective roles as useless.
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On June 14 2010 09:34 Chezinu wrote:
This is a pretty good argument imo
On June 14 2010 10:38 Radfield wrote:
This is simply not a good argument.
lol
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You guys are screwed MAFIA POWER!
win one for the team
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On June 14 2010 10:36 L wrote:
Foolishness, I have a problem.
Your last defense is essentially:
I hate people who give the town information.
and
I play anti-town every game (ignoring the fact that you've been mafia for the vast majority of your recent games).
That's pretty fucked.
I've finished the thing I mentioned earlier, so I'm pretty solid on the idea that we shouldn't kill you for today. That said, if we kill AFJ today and he flips red, you are 100% our next target.
Uhhhh care to explain why lynching foolishness makes sense if I were to flip red? o_O
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On June 14 2010 10:47 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 10:36 L wrote:
Foolishness, I have a problem.
Your last defense is essentially:
I hate people who give the town information.
and
I play anti-town every game (ignoring the fact that you've been mafia for the vast majority of your recent games).
That's pretty fucked.
I've finished the thing I mentioned earlier, so I'm pretty solid on the idea that we shouldn't kill you for today. That said, if we kill AFJ today and he flips red, you are 100% our next target. Uhhhh care to explain why lynching foolishness makes sense if I were to flip red? o_O
No.
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On June 14 2010 10:38 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 09:23 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Vivi57 just ninja'd a vote: + Show Spoiler +
##vote AcrossFiveJulys
to help confirm sanities. I may or may not muster up enough energy to do a pbpa of citizen/foolishness/meeple/moocow later so this vote is also here incase I don't make it back in time.
People, if you are just looking at the last page of the thread, vote for me ONLY if you think I'm suspicious as mafia, NOT if you think it's going to reduce detective uncertainty. If I get lyched and flip green, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are naiive or sane. If I get lynched and flip red, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are insane or naiive. So guess what? This doesn't help much; either way they could still both (or the 1) be naiive. The only way to know for sure the detective(s) sanity after that will be if the detective happens to get back a red role check and you lynch them. Banking on that happening soon isn't smart. This is not a good plan for the town, people. This is simply not a good argument. Yes, it takes minimum two nights to figure out a detective's sanity, we all realize that. Night one we narrow it down to two possibilities. If you flip red, then we know that the detectives are either insane or naive. Now we get them to check someone who they trust to be town-aligned: A green result means they're naive, a red result insane. Bingo, we have the alignments down. It takes two nights, but it's worth it. Our medic and watcher should be able to scare off the mafia from taking down the blue roles(tree.hugger ) so we'll probably still have everyone on board by that time. Or, we don't lynch you, learn nothing about the sanities, and basically disregard our two detective roles as useless.
Yes, a MINIMUM of 2 nights to learn the alignment of the detectives assuming they are telling the truth (this is a big assumption). After I flip green, that minimum is reached only if at least one of the detectives happens to get back a red rolecheck on the 2nd night. What is the likelihood of that?
A better plan is to wait until a red role check is returned. Then, that red is lynched. If they flip green, they you can lynch me because you'll know one of the detectives is insane. If flip they red, then you'll know I'm clean. Tell me, genius, what disadvantage approaching it that way gives. Since mafia KP does not decrease (KP is always 1) there is no advantage to lynching me now rather than once red rolechecks come back (unless I'm the best mafia candidate the town can come up with). We should be assuming that detectives are sane but checking to make sure they are as we lynch people, not the other way around. Coming up with strategies that assume detectives are less likely to be sane (I'm looking at you, L, and radfield) is confusion-spreading mafia behavior.
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On June 14 2010 10:53 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 10:47 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 14 2010 10:36 L wrote:
Foolishness, I have a problem.
Your last defense is essentially:
I hate people who give the town information.
and
I play anti-town every game (ignoring the fact that you've been mafia for the vast majority of your recent games).
That's pretty fucked.
I've finished the thing I mentioned earlier, so I'm pretty solid on the idea that we shouldn't kill you for today. That said, if we kill AFJ today and he flips red, you are 100% our next target. Uhhhh care to explain why lynching foolishness makes sense if I were to flip red? o_O No.
then don't shit on the thread with your useless, non-backed-up thoughts.
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On June 14 2010 10:56 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 10:53 L wrote:On June 14 2010 10:47 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 14 2010 10:36 L wrote:
Foolishness, I have a problem.
Your last defense is essentially:
I hate people who give the town information.
and
I play anti-town every game (ignoring the fact that you've been mafia for the vast majority of your recent games).
That's pretty fucked.
I've finished the thing I mentioned earlier, so I'm pretty solid on the idea that we shouldn't kill you for today. That said, if we kill AFJ today and he flips red, you are 100% our next target. Uhhhh care to explain why lynching foolishness makes sense if I were to flip red? o_O No. then don't shit on the thread with your useless, non-backed-up thoughts.
They're pretty useful because if I'm killed tonight after you're lynched, I'd rather that mafia members don't survive.
If you actually are town, the statement would have been null to you anyways.
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On June 14 2010 10:59 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 10:56 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 14 2010 10:53 L wrote:On June 14 2010 10:47 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 14 2010 10:36 L wrote:
Foolishness, I have a problem.
Your last defense is essentially:
I hate people who give the town information.
and
I play anti-town every game (ignoring the fact that you've been mafia for the vast majority of your recent games).
That's pretty fucked.
I've finished the thing I mentioned earlier, so I'm pretty solid on the idea that we shouldn't kill you for today. That said, if we kill AFJ today and he flips red, you are 100% our next target. Uhhhh care to explain why lynching foolishness makes sense if I were to flip red? o_O No. then don't shit on the thread with your useless, non-backed-up thoughts. They're pretty useful because if I'm killed tonight after you're lynched, I'd rather that mafia members don't survive. If you actually are town, the statement would have been null to you anyways.
Why are you taking every opportunity you have to try to make me look bad? I was interested in your reasoning behind that statement because it would be informative to know whether there is any semblance of logic behind why you want me lynched (allows me to know whether you are a mafia trying to bandwagon me or a townie who is overly paranoid).
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 14 2010 10:55 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 10:38 Radfield wrote:On June 14 2010 09:23 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Vivi57 just ninja'd a vote: + Show Spoiler +
##vote AcrossFiveJulys
to help confirm sanities. I may or may not muster up enough energy to do a pbpa of citizen/foolishness/meeple/moocow later so this vote is also here incase I don't make it back in time.
People, if you are just looking at the last page of the thread, vote for me ONLY if you think I'm suspicious as mafia, NOT if you think it's going to reduce detective uncertainty. If I get lyched and flip green, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are naiive or sane. If I get lynched and flip red, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are insane or naiive. So guess what? This doesn't help much; either way they could still both (or the 1) be naiive. The only way to know for sure the detective(s) sanity after that will be if the detective happens to get back a red role check and you lynch them. Banking on that happening soon isn't smart. This is not a good plan for the town, people. This is simply not a good argument. Yes, it takes minimum two nights to figure out a detective's sanity, we all realize that. Night one we narrow it down to two possibilities. If you flip red, then we know that the detectives are either insane or naive. Now we get them to check someone who they trust to be town-aligned: A green result means they're naive, a red result insane. Bingo, we have the alignments down. It takes two nights, but it's worth it. Our medic and watcher should be able to scare off the mafia from taking down the blue roles(tree.hugger ) so we'll probably still have everyone on board by that time. Or, we don't lynch you, learn nothing about the sanities, and basically disregard our two detective roles as useless. Yes, a MINIMUM of 2 nights to learn the alignment of the detectives assuming they are telling the truth (this is a big assumption). After I flip green, that minimum is reached only if at least one of the detectives happens to get back a red rolecheck on the 2nd night. What is the likelihood of that? A better plan is to wait until a red role check is returned. Then, that red is lynched. If they flip green, they you can lynch me because you'll know one of the detectives is insane. If flip they red, then you'll know I'm clean. Tell me, genius, what disadvantage approaching it that way gives. Since mafia KP does not decrease (KP is always 1) there is no advantage to lynching me now rather than once red rolechecks come back (unless I'm the best mafia candidate the town can come up with). We should be assuming that detectives are sane but checking to make sure they are as we lynch people, not the other way around. Coming up with strategies that assume detectives are less likely to be sane (I'm looking at you, L, and radfield) is confusion-spreading mafia behavior.
As Radfield said, we need to learn something about the alignment of our DTs. You guys sort of half committed to this plan yesterday when it was decided everyone should roleclaim and coordinate DT checks.
Yeah, I think you're mafia and I gave my reasoning and analysis. Even if I hadn't, we got to follow the plan and lynch you. Yeah, I know it's really fucked up and all, and I surely didn't vote for it, nor did I choose to have the DTs inspect you but that's how it is.
Pending all that, do you have someone you'd rather lynch? Yeah I know you want to kill me and L does too but anyone else? I mean, if you made a nice little post explaining how citizen is suspicious/inactive and then compare his attitude in this game to the past game where he was mafia (I'll just go ahead and tell you right now he's acting exactly the same), I could very easily be convinced to lynch him and not you.
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On June 14 2010 11:09 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 10:55 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 14 2010 10:38 Radfield wrote:On June 14 2010 09:23 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Vivi57 just ninja'd a vote: + Show Spoiler +
##vote AcrossFiveJulys
to help confirm sanities. I may or may not muster up enough energy to do a pbpa of citizen/foolishness/meeple/moocow later so this vote is also here incase I don't make it back in time.
People, if you are just looking at the last page of the thread, vote for me ONLY if you think I'm suspicious as mafia, NOT if you think it's going to reduce detective uncertainty. If I get lyched and flip green, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are naiive or sane. If I get lynched and flip red, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are insane or naiive. So guess what? This doesn't help much; either way they could still both (or the 1) be naiive. The only way to know for sure the detective(s) sanity after that will be if the detective happens to get back a red role check and you lynch them. Banking on that happening soon isn't smart. This is not a good plan for the town, people. This is simply not a good argument. Yes, it takes minimum two nights to figure out a detective's sanity, we all realize that. Night one we narrow it down to two possibilities. If you flip red, then we know that the detectives are either insane or naive. Now we get them to check someone who they trust to be town-aligned: A green result means they're naive, a red result insane. Bingo, we have the alignments down. It takes two nights, but it's worth it. Our medic and watcher should be able to scare off the mafia from taking down the blue roles(tree.hugger ) so we'll probably still have everyone on board by that time. Or, we don't lynch you, learn nothing about the sanities, and basically disregard our two detective roles as useless. Yes, a MINIMUM of 2 nights to learn the alignment of the detectives assuming they are telling the truth (this is a big assumption). After I flip green, that minimum is reached only if at least one of the detectives happens to get back a red rolecheck on the 2nd night. What is the likelihood of that? A better plan is to wait until a red role check is returned. Then, that red is lynched. If they flip green, they you can lynch me because you'll know one of the detectives is insane. If flip they red, then you'll know I'm clean. Tell me, genius, what disadvantage approaching it that way gives. Since mafia KP does not decrease (KP is always 1) there is no advantage to lynching me now rather than once red rolechecks come back (unless I'm the best mafia candidate the town can come up with). We should be assuming that detectives are sane but checking to make sure they are as we lynch people, not the other way around. Coming up with strategies that assume detectives are less likely to be sane (I'm looking at you, L, and radfield) is confusion-spreading mafia behavior. As Radfield said, we need to learn something about the alignment of our DTs. You guys sort of half committed to this plan yesterday when it was decided everyone should roleclaim and coordinate DT checks. Yeah, I think you're mafia and I gave my reasoning and analysis. Even if I hadn't, we got to follow the plan and lynch you. Yeah, I know it's really fucked up and all, and I surely didn't vote for it, nor did I choose to have the DTs inspect you but that's how it is.
Did you even read the post you quoted? I explained there that lynching me is clearly suboptimal; waiting to lynch me later if sufficient evidence arises is better.
Pending all that, do you have someone you'd rather lynch? Yeah I know you want to kill me and L does too but anyone else? I mean, if you made a nice little post explaining how citizen is suspicious/inactive and then compare his attitude in this game to the past game where he was mafia (I'll just go ahead and tell you right now he's acting exactly the same), I could very easily be convinced to lynch him and not you.
I don't think going after suspicious inactives would be a bad idea. I haven't been watching citizen, but vivi57 and redtooth have somewhat suspicious behavior. Hopefully I'll be able to take some time to do an analysis of those 2 (there isn't much content to go by) later tonight. Let's make a deal -- you analyze citizen and actually spend a few minutes reading my post explaining why lynching me isn't a good idea, and I'll do the 2 analyses I mentioned.
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On June 14 2010 11:05 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 10:59 L wrote:On June 14 2010 10:56 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 14 2010 10:53 L wrote:On June 14 2010 10:47 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 14 2010 10:36 L wrote:
Foolishness, I have a problem.
Your last defense is essentially:
I hate people who give the town information.
and
I play anti-town every game (ignoring the fact that you've been mafia for the vast majority of your recent games).
That's pretty fucked.
I've finished the thing I mentioned earlier, so I'm pretty solid on the idea that we shouldn't kill you for today. That said, if we kill AFJ today and he flips red, you are 100% our next target. Uhhhh care to explain why lynching foolishness makes sense if I were to flip red? o_O No. then don't shit on the thread with your useless, non-backed-up thoughts. They're pretty useful because if I'm killed tonight after you're lynched, I'd rather that mafia members don't survive. If you actually are town, the statement would have been null to you anyways. Why are you taking every opportunity you have to try to make me look bad? I was interested in your reasoning behind that statement because it would be informative to know whether there is any semblance of logic behind why you want me lynched (allows me to know whether you are a mafia trying to bandwagon me or a townie who is overly paranoid).
I was taking every opportunity to breadcrumb a 100% mafia kill because if you flip red and I die, or if I'm Dvigged by mafia prior to your lynch, the information I have would dissapear.
If you're red, its possible that you lied about the roleblock, which means that mafia might not even have a roleblocker, which means that I might get Dvigged at any time during the thread. Are you red, though? Probably not, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't put out information as a contingency plan.
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Let's make a deal -- you analyze citizen and actually spend a few minutes reading my post explaining why lynching me isn't a good idea, and I'll do the 2 analyses I mentioned. Do them anyways if you're town.
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Even though I invested AFJ I still don't think we should lynch him because even if he is mafia they still only have 1KP so that doesn't really change much unless we get a role blocker and either way if we do get role blocked again someone should come out and say so.
I'm one for lynching the inactive in this game especially because of the 1KP mafia. Either way AFJ is heavily in the spotlight we can rest assured that he'll be banging on about something in the coming days, which would either help us or make us lynch him.
Now with AFJ being suspected of being a mafia and me coming out and defending him will obviously make me look like a mafia.
If I were mafia I would not chose to investigate another mafia target.
There were a couple ways I could of avoided this situation.
1. Chose the target before letting LuDwig chose the target. Why would I want to risk investigating another mafia member? ( I'm a lot more active than LuDwig but I let him chose ). I wanted to investigate someone inactive so we could lynch them as a test pig.
2. I wouldn't come out here and try to defend him and draw attention to myself. The risks of me doing this as a mafia almost has no reward. If it were 1KP/2Mafia then yea I would of been rewarded if AFJ is safe but doing this gives me nothing as mafia. If he flips red I can plead insane/paranoid and it puts me in the same boat as LuDwig. ( I also posted my findings on AFJ before LuDwig did )
So I don't think he's really mafia but maybe he is. For today I think we should just look at 2 of those inactive, lynch one and pre-plan for the night so we can all be on the same targets ( meeple, if he checked AFJ and came out with his information this would be a lot easier )
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Well, at least we're getting split camps now.
I have nothing new to add at this point. Will be back hopefully with a few hours before voting ends to mark some analysis and cast a vote...
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On June 14 2010 12:24 MooCow wrote:
Even though I invested AFJ I still don't think we should lynch him because even if he is mafia they still only have 1KP so that doesn't really change much unless we get a role blocker and either way if we do get role blocked again someone should come out and say so.
I'm one for lynching the inactive in this game especially because of the 1KP mafia. Either way AFJ is heavily in the spotlight we can rest assured that he'll be banging on about something in the coming days, which would either help us or make us lynch him.
Now with AFJ being suspected of being a mafia and me coming out and defending him will obviously make me look like a mafia.
If I were mafia I would not chose to investigate another mafia target.
There were a couple ways I could of avoided this situation.
1. Chose the target before letting LuDwig chose the target. Why would I want to risk investigating another mafia member? ( I'm a lot more active than LuDwig but I let him chose ). I wanted to investigate someone inactive so we could lynch them as a test pig.
2. I wouldn't come out here and try to defend him and draw attention to myself. The risks of me doing this as a mafia almost has no reward. If it were 1KP/2Mafia then yea I would of been rewarded if AFJ is safe but doing this gives me nothing as mafia. If he flips red I can plead insane/paranoid and it puts me in the same boat as LuDwig. ( I also posted my findings on AFJ before LuDwig did )
So I don't think he's really mafia but maybe he is. For today I think we should just look at 2 of those inactive, lynch one and pre-plan for the night so we can all be on the same targets ( meeple, if he checked AFJ and came out with his information this would be a lot easier )
The 1 KP talk is a non-starter - catching reds is still what the game is about. Also, according to L, who presumably has more information, if he flips red we also confirm Foolish is red. You ignore this and instead offer weak "if i were mafia" arguments. OK...
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On June 14 2010 11:20 L wrote:
if I'm Dvigged by mafia...I might get Dvigged at any time during the thread
Belief in the Dvig! Mission Accomplished!
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Some rule clarifications:
The roleblocker is NOT forced to act every night.
DT alignments are NOT revealed upon death.
A dayvig kill immediately kills the intended target. They are removed from the vote count for all intensive purposes. All votes for that person are void (although you wouldn't be modkilled if you didn't change to another live candidate) and therefore do not count for lynch. If a dayvig kills the leading candidate for lynch, then the person with the next highest amount of votes will be lynched.
I am leaving for the week, so Korynne will be running the game from here on out. Send ALL questions/night actions/etc. to her, not me, as I will be unable to answer your questions. I will be back on Saturday night.
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*mafia voice*
if anyone else votes for me, they get capped, see?
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On June 14 2010 15:47 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
*mafia voice*
if anyone else votes for me, they get capped, see?
Yeah, you better not mess with the Dvig! But what if there are two Dvigs.. too bad I can't pretend to be one..
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On June 14 2010 15:50 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2010 15:47 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
*mafia voice*
if anyone else votes for me, they get capped, see? Yeah, you better not mess with the Dvig! But what if there are two Dvigs.. too bad I can't pretend to be one..
##Slap Chezinu
Haha! What choo gonna do 'bout it pal? Be a good lil chez or i'll ##kill you
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Here:
##Kill L
No d-vig here.
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Stop proving that you aren't Dvig, it only makes it easier for mafia to narrow down the hidden blue roles.
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So much to discuss here.
We are walking in a circle discussing who we have to lynch.
I have alredy posted that i think we have to follow our plan..that is the only light in the game we can follow
BUT
Do you have a better plan? We are hear to hear a better plan!
Personally i believe AFJ is legit..(2 useless detective is really too strange).
So can we go to the next step avoiding lynching AFJ? I really don't know..i am really confused about what to do..
FROM NOW we have to decide what to do in the night:
MooCow do you want to make another crossed check? Or we should start checking all the people?
We can't arrive at the same situation..we have to know what to do..
feel free to pm the strategy via pm
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Ohhh...
I have to go to work, but here goes:
L the godfather is dead.
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So citizen is a vig and he killed L?
@LuDwig we also need the tracker/watcher to be involved to make sure everyone is telling the truth.
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well this completely changes the claiming.
Now scum are really spread out in their claiming and the timings of them won't really have any impact on who's suspect. That destroys one of my biggest theories.
I'm going to sleep, but I'll definitely reread the L-foolishness dialogue.
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also, AWESOME play by L to get the tracker
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Rofl, was 90% certain I was going to get shot during the day :3.
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I want roleclaim pm's by tonight.
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whoa whoa whoa whoa
seriously?
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A5J I almost sent you a what if pm last night saying what if citi.zen was Dvig, but then I wrote the good night, need to sleep PM... So close... Anyways, now we have to decide what alignment citi.zen is! Which is pretty obvious that he is town, but what if he is actually mafia-aligned that would be crazy! Either way, it is pointless for both mafia and town to kill the Dvig - so citi.zen has immunity for the rest of the game! I thought about the Dvig a lot.. Just ask A5J! lol
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Aha lmao... that's awesome, way to go citi.zen!
As for tonight's lynch, I agree with Ludwig... it's not worth knowing the sanities and I don't think AFJ is really mafia, unless both our dts are lying and thats something we can check tonight. Not worth losing a green at this point. Now that we got L, it's well worth going through all his posts and checking very closely his connections.
One that struck me right away was this:
On June 13 2010 07:47 redtooth wrote:trust me, you're not that important. on that point, only 1 person in this game is really "important" enough to warrant a kill without having claimed blue. and that person is L. when he's alive tomorrow, we have some serious questions to ask.btw to those jumping on me for inactivity, i'm keeping up with the thread. i'm just not refreshing it every 5 seconds like i used to in previous games since i got burned out quickly by retarded flawed arguments. this game there just seems to be more spam though.
This makes me think redtooth is green... He doesn't have much other activity, but just to keep this in mind.
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Chez good call LOL
Here's my PM conversation with L:
+ Show Spoiler +
You're wrong, but generally on the right track. It does indeed have to do with the possibility of you lying about the roleblock if you flip red. That said, there doesn't seem to be a 'secret' watcher as far as I can tell. Since I'd rather not confirm roles that I rather don't want mafia to take a shot at, I'll just leave it at that.
Also, tree.hugger hates me and would never give me pm information.
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Original Message:
Ok, L: I've been thinking a lot about possible scenarios that would make me flipping red mean foolishness is red. Here's what I came up with:
Foolishness PM'd you at the start of the game saying he was watcher and did not RC in the thread. He said he watched me and reported that Ludwig and MooCow are the only ones who visited me. You then thought this was strange because I claimed to have been role blocked. This leaves an interesting possibility: I'm mafia and coordinating with foolishness in an effort to get a detective lynched.
Now, I want to say that that scenario is highly unlikely, because why would the mafia give away 2 of their members in exchange for 1 detective?
The other thing I thought about was that tree.hugger PM'd you with his findings without posting them in the thread, but I wasn't able to construct any interesting scenarios on that case.
Let me know your thoughts on this. Something very interesting is going on here. I realized something very important a couple hours ago that I'm going to sit on until I hear back from you regarding this.
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Exactly how much thread based information have I ever kept secret?
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Original Message:
keeping information to yourself is often a bad thing, especially in a mass role claim game. if this is information you derived based off of private information (blue role, PM's, etc) then fine, keep it to yourself, but if this is something that somebody could come up with based on posts in the thread only, then you should be publicly voicing it.
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Well, if you're going to assume everything I'm writing is sarcasm, then call me stupid...
I'm not explaining shit because I quite frankly don't really need to give mafia additional information about how I came to that conclusion.
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Original Message:
You neither explained why you had that idea nor accepted my statement, what are you talking about? You're going to have to communicate more clearly. I read your last PM to me as sarcastic, was that not the way you meant it?
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Original Message:
For explaining why I had that idea? Or for accepting your statement?
Either way, pretty hilarious reaction on your part.
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Original Message:
you are either mafia or very, very dumb / closeminded.
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Original Message:
This is not a good plan for the town, people.
Indicated otherwise for me.
But fair enough.
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Original Message:
No, I sent this in response to your post in the thread (a clue would be the fact I that referenced your most recent post?)
I'm going to move our dialog to the thread.
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Original Message:
Did you just send this to everyone? Because it looks like a standard spam pm used to get people to look at the thread.
And no, flip red. I'm not saying anything more because frankly its pretty irrelevant unless you flip red.
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Original Message:
Do you really think I'm mafia, or are you trying to get me lynched to get detective info? If it's the latter, I hope you've read my post:
People, if you are just looking at the last page of the thread, vote for me ONLY if you think I'm suspicious as mafia, NOT if you think it's going to reduce detective uncertainty. If I get lyched and flip green, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are naiive or sane. If I get lynched and flip red, you'll know that both detectives (or 1 if there's only 1) are insane or naiive. So guess what? This doesn't help much; either way they could still both (or the 1) be naiive. The only way to know for sure the detective(s) sanity after that will be if the detective happens to get back a red role check and you lynch them. Banking on that happening soon isn't smart. This is not a good plan for the town, people.
Anyway, I don't follow your reasoning for lynching foolishness if I were to flip red. Did you mean if I were to flip green?
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btw citizen what made you shoot L? (I was leaning towards mafia too but surely not enough to kill him in your position)
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In a game with pm's and a "normal" setup mass role claiming is awful. L knew this.
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A5j is now pretty confirmed. I will vote to Lynch vivi next.
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Quick post on who to lynch today:
Let's go after an inactive. It should be ridiculously obvious at this point that I'm townie and a huge waste of a lynch (and I'm active and logically thinking through things, you don't want me gone). It should also be obvious that lynching me does not reveal enough information about the detectives sanities to be worth it. Aka, it's bad for the town to lynch me. I think we'd be well advised to look at who supported lynching me thus far (since L was not involved in my bandwagon directly, another mafioso was probably involved) in the future.
For today, I propose we go after an inactive, since undoubtedly there is >= 1 mafia hiding in the inactives. Just to throw a name out, Vivi57 is both inactive and voted for me. I'm changing my vote to Vivi57. Please follow suit if you want the town to win
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Wow wow wow. Either an amazing shot Citizen, or you're mafia and hoping to get all our roleclaims and allay all suspicion.
An extremely ballsy move actually, considering that if L flipped green, then we would certianly use the next lynch on you. Doubly hurting the town.
I'm still very ok with lynching AFJ, but if people don't agree I'm fine with that.
List of fairly inactive players:
vivi57
redtooth
RoL
Ohn
I say we go after RoL first. He strikes me as moderately scummy, and is the scummiest looking player who voted for Jspazz.
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I'm down with RoL more than Vivi57... there's little/no case to be made for/against Vivi since he's so inactive.
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Having said that and then going through his posts... RoL is pretty damn inactive too...
I'll have to think more about which one is more deserving
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 15 2010 02:00 meeple wrote:
I'm down with RoL more than Vivi57... there's little/no case to be made for/against Vivi since he's so inactive.
To go by history, Vivi57 is usually inactive when he's townie, and very active if he has a blue role. Not as sure as when he's mafia, but I'd go for RoL just in case.
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On June 15 2010 02:27 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 02:00 meeple wrote:
I'm down with RoL more than Vivi57... there's little/no case to be made for/against Vivi since he's so inactive. To go by history, Vivi57 is usually inactive when he's townie, and very active if he has a blue role. Not as sure as when he's mafia, but I'd go for RoL just in case.
You're pretty confirmed too I guess, with A5J.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 15 2010 02:31 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 02:27 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 02:00 meeple wrote:
I'm down with RoL more than Vivi57... there's little/no case to be made for/against Vivi since he's so inactive. To go by history, Vivi57 is usually inactive when he's townie, and very active if he has a blue role. Not as sure as when he's mafia, but I'd go for RoL just in case. You're pretty confirmed too I guess, with A5J.
You mind explaining any of that?
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On June 15 2010 02:37 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 02:31 citi.zen wrote:On June 15 2010 02:27 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 02:00 meeple wrote:
I'm down with RoL more than Vivi57... there's little/no case to be made for/against Vivi since he's so inactive. To go by history, Vivi57 is usually inactive when he's townie, and very active if he has a blue role. Not as sure as when he's mafia, but I'd go for RoL just in case. You're pretty confirmed too I guess, with A5J. You mind explaining any of that?
I think he's saying that because L wanted to lynch you if AFJ was red.
But the problem with that plan was if we did follow L's plan and lynched AFJ, he would of probably flipped town, and we wouldn't have to lynch you.
So I don't think Foolishness is pretty confirmed.
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On June 15 2010 02:37 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 02:31 citi.zen wrote:On June 15 2010 02:27 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 02:00 meeple wrote:
I'm down with RoL more than Vivi57... there's little/no case to be made for/against Vivi since he's so inactive. To go by history, Vivi57 is usually inactive when he's townie, and very active if he has a blue role. Not as sure as when he's mafia, but I'd go for RoL just in case. You're pretty confirmed too I guess, with A5J. You mind explaining any of that?
If your discussion with L was all scripted you deserve the Oscar.
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man are we joking?
citizen hit at dark and get the godfather? sreiously?
LOL you should give us a good motivation of your move...You use the only shoot you get without evidence???
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It"s not my fault you don't see it. Now read L's posts to find the other reds.
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On June 13 2010 07:47 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 04:46 flamewheel wrote:On June 13 2010 04:07 meeple wrote:On June 13 2010 03:00 MooCow wrote:On June 13 2010 02:50 meeple wrote:On June 13 2010 02:46 MooCow wrote:On June 13 2010 02:25 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 12:56 L wrote:On June 12 2010 11:51 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 11:35 L wrote:
[quote] Why exactly are you asking me instead of doing some thinking on your own? lol well apparently you're the man with the plan... also I was asking the town. No need to get all defensive I'm not being defensive. I'm wondering why you're purposely not answering your own question. This post hasn't really answered the question either, so feel free to get to it whenever you feel like doing some work. It was a question to make people think and discuss... if they're both checking the same person (me?) then we can see which detective to trust and kinda follow their lead. I think we should check on someone that we want to lynch to help find out the sanity level of the DTs. So we should decide on someone soon because the night is almost over. ACTIVITY?! The problem with checking someone that we want to lynch... is that they might turn up red and while that would bag up some red it also wouldn't tell us anything about the sanity of the cops. Eh?! Getting a red like that is totally worth not knowing the sanity level of the DT's imo. Besides it only slows the us down by a bit if we don't know the DT sanity level but it's a huge gain getting a mafia. What do you guys think of Chez? If he is going to get mod killed from inactivity we can experiment on him. I hope not though because he seems like a fun mafia guy to play with. Yeah you're right... it was just something that occurred to me. I don't agree with lynching Chez on the grounds of inactivity though. If I have some time to go through posts I'll come up with more suspects. Oh he's not inactive. He'll be working behind the scenes, plus there isn't too much to analyze on the first cycle... chezinu is the charliemurphy of the mafia forum. there is no such thing as him "working behind the scenes" lol. trust me, you're not that important. on that point, only 1 person in this game is really "important" enough to warrant a kill without having claimed blue. and that person is L. when he's alive tomorrow, we have some serious questions to ask. btw to those jumping on me for inactivity, i'm keeping up with the thread. i'm just not refreshing it every 5 seconds like i used to in previous games since i got burned out quickly by retarded flawed arguments. this game there just seems to be more spam though. ok guys i had a lot of work the past weekend so i couldn't keep up with the thread as much as i would have liked. quoting my post on why L should have died immediately. good job citizen for actually pulling the trigger though. L was so scummy and the fact that he was alive was the biggest incrimination against him.
if citizen is playing his role right then A5J should flip red tomorrow. doesn't look like voting could swing in any other direction but go ahead and stack it against him anyways.
also, foolishness is probably not mafia aligned. radfield seems scummy or retarded, can't tell atm.
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On June 15 2010 01:48 Radfield wrote:
List of fairly inactive players:
vivi57
redtooth
RoL
Ohn
I say we go after RoL first. He strikes me as moderately scummy, and is the scummiest looking player who voted for Jspazz.
On June 15 2010 02:00 meeple wrote:
I'm down with RoL more than Vivi57... there's little/no case to be made for/against Vivi since he's so inactive.
I'm fine with RoL too. I did an analysis on him a couple days ago:
+ Show Spoiler +
RebirthOfLegend
#232: promises activity
#237: supports plan "for the same reasons radfield said". Disagrees, however, with blues lying to mask their roles (vets claim detective, etc) because it creates confusions and "is a big no." RC's townie.
#240: more words saying blues shouldn't lie about their role. claims that L never once said to lie about your role when he indeed did (see page 13 of thread).
#257: points finger at me for a mistake in one of my posts (for some reason I thought for a second that millers lynched flip vanlilla townie instead of miller) and says that's mafiaish, citing his previous game where he played mafia and didn't read the rules carefully. LOL's at so many greens role claiming (well no shit there are going to be excess greens... what are mafia going to claim, red?).
#260: says the plan isn't that bad
Summary: RoL has a strange post history. All of his non-useless posts are in the same time period. The only real things he's done are advocate the plan (actually, he advocated the imaginary plan where blues DO NOT lie about their roles, then ended up advocating the real one later anyway) and arouse suspicion about me. 3rd to vote for jspazz. He also didn't bother to defend himself after I voted for him on day1. My read on him is an accuse-happy townie who has bad reading comprehension and/or not been keeping up properly with the thread.
I'm more suspicious of him now than I was back then. I mean, RoL just logged on once, posted for a couple hours in favor of L's plan, and never came back. Very strange.
Same thing for ohN btw: he hasn't posted in quite awhile and had some questionable posts when he did post.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Ahaha. Amazing, citi.zen. XVI all over again.
Well, inactivity lynch I believe. Foolishness, you're a bro. L, you're also a bro. AFJ is also a bro.
Will be back before deadline, marking up my vote on a random inactive just in case. Vivi57 or RebirthOfLeGenD? Both are too damn inactive, just like in every other game. Lots to think about again.
I haven't seen RoL, but Vivi promised us some pbpa. Until I see that, my inactivity vote goes there.
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Voting for RoL for inactivity and all around suspiciousness.
I'll change it to whomever seems more appropriate later if needed.
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On June 15 2010 03:38 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 07:47 redtooth wrote:On June 13 2010 04:46 flamewheel wrote:On June 13 2010 04:07 meeple wrote:On June 13 2010 03:00 MooCow wrote:On June 13 2010 02:50 meeple wrote:On June 13 2010 02:46 MooCow wrote:On June 13 2010 02:25 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 12:56 L wrote:On June 12 2010 11:51 meeple wrote:
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lol well apparently you're the man with the plan... also I was asking the town. No need to get all defensive I'm not being defensive. I'm wondering why you're purposely not answering your own question. This post hasn't really answered the question either, so feel free to get to it whenever you feel like doing some work. It was a question to make people think and discuss... if they're both checking the same person (me?) then we can see which detective to trust and kinda follow their lead. I think we should check on someone that we want to lynch to help find out the sanity level of the DTs. So we should decide on someone soon because the night is almost over. ACTIVITY?! The problem with checking someone that we want to lynch... is that they might turn up red and while that would bag up some red it also wouldn't tell us anything about the sanity of the cops. Eh?! Getting a red like that is totally worth not knowing the sanity level of the DT's imo. Besides it only slows the us down by a bit if we don't know the DT sanity level but it's a huge gain getting a mafia. What do you guys think of Chez? If he is going to get mod killed from inactivity we can experiment on him. I hope not though because he seems like a fun mafia guy to play with. Yeah you're right... it was just something that occurred to me. I don't agree with lynching Chez on the grounds of inactivity though. If I have some time to go through posts I'll come up with more suspects. Oh he's not inactive. He'll be working behind the scenes, plus there isn't too much to analyze on the first cycle... chezinu is the charliemurphy of the mafia forum. there is no such thing as him "working behind the scenes" lol. On June 13 2010 07:04 Radfield wrote:Likelihood of dying tonight: High trust me, you're not that important. on that point, only 1 person in this game is really "important" enough to warrant a kill without having claimed blue. and that person is L. when he's alive tomorrow, we have some serious questions to ask. btw to those jumping on me for inactivity, i'm keeping up with the thread. i'm just not refreshing it every 5 seconds like i used to in previous games since i got burned out quickly by retarded flawed arguments. this game there just seems to be more spam though. ok guys i had a lot of work the past weekend so i couldn't keep up with the thread as much as i would have liked. quoting my post on why L should have died immediately. good job citizen for actually pulling the trigger though. L was so scummy and the fact that he was alive was the biggest incrimination against him. if citizen is playing his role right then A5J should flip red tomorrow. doesn't look like voting could swing in any other direction but go ahead and stack it against him anyways. also, foolishness is probably not mafia aligned. radfield seems scummy or retarded, can't tell atm.
A5J? Really? Are you reading the thread at all?
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On June 15 2010 01:48 Radfield wrote:
Wow wow wow. Either an amazing shot Citizen, or you're mafia and hoping to get all our roleclaims and allay all suspicion.
An extremely ballsy move actually, considering that if L flipped green, then we would certianly use the next lynch on you. Doubly hurting the town.
I'm still very ok with lynching AFJ, but if people don't agree I'm fine with that.
List of fairly inactive players:
vivi57
redtooth
RoL
Ohn
I say we go after RoL first. He strikes me as moderately scummy, and is the scummiest looking player who voted for Jspazz.
And to this... what % would you assign to the likelihood of me being mafia? Why would it make sense for me to kill the GF right now instead of a goon if I wanted credibility? Furthermore, there was no immediate danger of being lynched for either me or L, why not save the hit for later when it could be decisive /end the game?
You know I of all people love a good conspiracy theory, but give me a break - this one makes no sense.
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Finally: please go back and read L's posts. He left a thick paper trail, it's impossible not to find clues there. I still don't have much time for this game so may not get to it in time, but at this point we don't need shots in the dark - the evidence is in L's posts. Please read them.
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On June 15 2010 04:24 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 01:48 Radfield wrote:
Wow wow wow. Either an amazing shot Citizen, or you're mafia and hoping to get all our roleclaims and allay all suspicion.
An extremely ballsy move actually, considering that if L flipped green, then we would certianly use the next lynch on you. Doubly hurting the town.
I'm still very ok with lynching AFJ, but if people don't agree I'm fine with that.
List of fairly inactive players:
vivi57
redtooth
RoL
Ohn
I say we go after RoL first. He strikes me as moderately scummy, and is the scummiest looking player who voted for Jspazz. And to this... what % would you assign to the likelihood of me being mafia? Why would it make sense for me to kill the GF right now instead of a goon if I wanted credibility? Furthermore, there was no immediate danger of being lynched for either me or L, why not save the hit for later when it could be decisive /end the game? You know I of all people love a good conspiracy theory, but give me a break - this one makes no sense.
I've been thinking about the Dvig all game. It is like the perfect role! Once you use the hit, it makes no sense for either mafia or town to kill the Dvig no matter what align the Dvig has. Dvig is still a black role, right? If you look at the OP the mafia count only includes roleblock and/or GF. This means if there was a mafia Dvig then he wouldn't be considered part of the "mafia" and would only want the mafia to win.. So I'm watching you citizen though I would never kill you... lol.. not that I'm a watcher or anything... <.< >.>
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 15 2010 04:29 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 04:24 citi.zen wrote:On June 15 2010 01:48 Radfield wrote:
Wow wow wow. Either an amazing shot Citizen, or you're mafia and hoping to get all our roleclaims and allay all suspicion.
An extremely ballsy move actually, considering that if L flipped green, then we would certianly use the next lynch on you. Doubly hurting the town.
I'm still very ok with lynching AFJ, but if people don't agree I'm fine with that.
List of fairly inactive players:
vivi57
redtooth
RoL
Ohn
I say we go after RoL first. He strikes me as moderately scummy, and is the scummiest looking player who voted for Jspazz. And to this... what % would you assign to the likelihood of me being mafia? Why would it make sense for me to kill the GF right now instead of a goon if I wanted credibility? Furthermore, there was no immediate danger of being lynched for either me or L, why not save the hit for later when it could be decisive /end the game? You know I of all people love a good conspiracy theory, but give me a break - this one makes no sense. I've been thinking about the Dvig all game. It is like the perfect role! Once you use the hit, it makes no sense for either mafia or town to kill the Dvig no matter what align the Dvig has. Dvig is still a black role, right? If you look at the OP the mafia count only includes roleblock and/or GF. This means if there was a mafia Dvig then he wouldn't be considered part of the "mafia" and would only want the mafia to win.. So I'm watching you citizen though I would never kill you... lol.. not that I'm a watcher or anything... <.< >.>
I'm pretty sure you're reading it wrong chez. The dayvig role is black so that we don't know if the dayvig ended up being town or mafia aligned. It's not 12T v 4M v 1DV. It's 13 town vs 4 mafia no matter what. And someone, whether town or mafia, got the dayvig role
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On June 15 2010 04:38 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 04:29 Chezinu wrote:On June 15 2010 04:24 citi.zen wrote:On June 15 2010 01:48 Radfield wrote:
Wow wow wow. Either an amazing shot Citizen, or you're mafia and hoping to get all our roleclaims and allay all suspicion.
An extremely ballsy move actually, considering that if L flipped green, then we would certianly use the next lynch on you. Doubly hurting the town.
I'm still very ok with lynching AFJ, but if people don't agree I'm fine with that.
List of fairly inactive players:
vivi57
redtooth
RoL
Ohn
I say we go after RoL first. He strikes me as moderately scummy, and is the scummiest looking player who voted for Jspazz. And to this... what % would you assign to the likelihood of me being mafia? Why would it make sense for me to kill the GF right now instead of a goon if I wanted credibility? Furthermore, there was no immediate danger of being lynched for either me or L, why not save the hit for later when it could be decisive /end the game? You know I of all people love a good conspiracy theory, but give me a break - this one makes no sense. I've been thinking about the Dvig all game. It is like the perfect role! Once you use the hit, it makes no sense for either mafia or town to kill the Dvig no matter what align the Dvig has. Dvig is still a black role, right? If you look at the OP the mafia count only includes roleblock and/or GF. This means if there was a mafia Dvig then he wouldn't be considered part of the "mafia" and would only want the mafia to win.. So I'm watching you citizen though I would never kill you... lol.. not that I'm a watcher or anything... <.< >.> I'm pretty sure you're reading it wrong chez. The dayvig role is black so that we don't know if the dayvig ended up being town or mafia aligned. It's not 12T v 4M v 1DV. It's 13 town vs 4 mafia no matter what. And someone, whether town or mafia, got the dayvig role
Your reading it wrong! With your logical there is no mafia Dvig because then the mafia count on the OP would say (Roleblocker and/or Godfather and/or Dvig). Take that you Mods! Give us answers!
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
"You are aligned with either the town or the mafia, and can be secure with the fact that your shot cannot be blocked by either medics or roleblockers"
The Dvig is either town or mafia. Not his own alignment.
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On June 15 2010 04:49 Radfield wrote:
"You are aligned with either the town or the mafia, and can be secure with the fact that your shot cannot be blocked by either medics or roleblockers"
The Dvig is either town or mafia. Not his own alignment.
Well, the Mods obviously messed up and told us that if there was a Dvig that he is blue. Remember how Kor said "Lack of Blue" then claimed she was talking about her blue words as a mod? The OP pretty much tells us that the Dvig is Blue since there is no indication that the Dvig can be apart of the Mafia count. lol
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Oh and look at the Day 1 post, there was a roleblocker and a blue Dvig died. We know from A5J that there is a roleblocker, thus there has to be a blue Dvig.
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Rad where did you go? I want to continue to fake argue with you.. Who is going to argue if L isn't here?
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Guys can we not sit around and discuss logistics here? There are 4 mafia, if one dies, then the count goes down by one. So if the day vig was a mafia, then mafia count would go down by one when the day vig was killed. And the death post would have day vig in red.
My post saying lack of blue meant mod font to begin with, I don't know why Chezinu has to overanalyze that stuff instead of posting real content.
Either way, please don't use the analysis of mod errors/oversight as your basis for an argument. I can't stop you, but it's just frowned upon because it was not meant to be a part of the game.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 15 2010 04:57 Chezinu wrote:
Rad where did you go? I want to continue to fake argue with you.. Who is going to argue if L isn't here?
I'm having trouble telling if you actually believe that about the dayvig...
I was skimming through all L's posts if you must know. I'm obviously not as good as citizen though because all i really found is L arguing with foolishness rather plausibly and redtooth rather weakly.
I'm going to read through them again when i'm a little more into it though.
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On June 15 2010 05:01 Korynne wrote:
Guys can we not sit around and discuss logistics here? There are 4 mafia, if one dies, then the count goes down by one. So if the day vig was a mafia, then mafia count would go down by one when the day vig was killed. And the death post would have day vig in red.
My post saying lack of blue meant mod font to begin with, I don't know why Chezinu has to overanalyze that stuff instead of posting real content.
Either way, please don't use the analysis of mod errors/oversight as your basis for an argument. I can't stop you, but it's just frowned upon because it was not meant to be a part of the game.
Wow, a mod calling my posts not containing any content.. that's a first... I'll just analyze mod errors in PM land then like everyone else...
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Chez: I am blue, not 3rd party.
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On June 15 2010 05:03 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 04:57 Chezinu wrote:
Rad where did you go? I want to continue to fake argue with you.. Who is going to argue if L isn't here? I'm having trouble telling if you actually believe that about the dayvig... I was skimming through all L's posts if you must know. I'm obviously not as good as citizen though because all i really found is L arguing with foolishness rather plausibly and redtooth rather weakly. I'm going to read through them again when i'm a little more into it though.
What did you find was lacklustre about the redtooth/L arguement
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
It just wasn't much of an argument:
my only qualm with L's plan is that the structure of the game is forum based. that means posts come in linearly, one at a time and uneditable. what happens when there is only one medic and he roleclaims? mafia gets an easy kill in the first round with our most valuable player. if you think about it, the likelihood of 2 medics being in this game is VERY low since it would essentially be GG once they figure each other out (mafia just can't do shit). even with a roleblocker, i doubt that Incognito would create such a town-favored setup.
This was the only thing redtooth posted that related to L's plan.
All L responded with was
On June 10 2010 13:35 L wrote: Well, maybe try reading the plan before posting.
L aslo argued with both AFJ and yourself as well. Makes me think AFJ is probably not mafia. I hate it when that happens.
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Overall L played this game really badly. As Chez said, we should be able to recover a lot of information from his trail. For example, what was going through his head when he claimed that me flipping red would imply foolishness is red? Was it just a way to confuse the town with the added bonus of helping me get lynched? Or was it purposely trying to derail the current conversations?
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I think he was just trying to confuse the town. He claimed he had private information and both dt's checked you out so you were a very easy target for him.
can we agree on a target before hand so we aren't confused about who we are going to lynch the next day so all our blue roles can check each other out and hopefully help the town.
These are the candidates for the next day lynch, Vivi and ohn. We can obviously change as the game flows but I want to make sure we are all on the same page for when the night action comes in.
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I have a theory about why I was roleblocked that I haven't revealed yet. Here goes:
MooCow and Ludwig both roleclaimed detective and said they'd investigate me. Meeple said he'd flip a coin to watch ludwig or tree.hugger. tree.hugger did not say who he would be tracking.
So why was I role blocked? My answer is that one of Meeple, ludwig, and moocow are actually the role blocker and feigned watching or investigating me by role blocking me (a tracker or watcher wouldn't be able to tell the difference).
Further (though it's much weaker evidence), I PM'd L a fake theory I came up with about why he thought foolishness would flip red if I did, and L's response was that I was on the right track (that he didn't believe me I was roleblocked). I think this was an attempt to throw me off the trail and only think about cases where I was not role blocked.
All of this makes me feel pretty confident that my theory is correct. The question is, which of Meeple, ludwig, moocow are the infiltrating mafioso?
Let's look at Meeple: if he's mafia, he would be required to pretend to visit ludwig instead of tree.hugger, else he would be forced to reveal who visited tree.hugger which is bad for mafia (even if he came up with a story of 2 people visited him, the medic and mafioso). But, if he said he visited ludwig, then why was it necessary to fake doing so by role blocking me? My conclusion is that meeple is probably clean, although it's a convenient coincidence that he happened to not watch tree.hugger (if meeple really is clean, the mafia took a huge risk to hit tree hugger last night).
That leaves me to believe that either ludwig or moocow is the infiltrating mafioso. The fact that having a veteran in this game is highly unlikely means that there should be no townie faking detective, and I also find it highly unlikely that there are 2 detectives in the game. My gut feeling is that ludwig is mafia due to his posting behavior, some PM exchanges I had with him, and the fact that he posted me as townie instead of town-aligned (which is all a role check comes back as in this game) which means he's not as familiar with his "role" as he should be.
However, I am not certain. So how can we resolve this mess?
We can resolve it through tonight's blue actions: MooCow and Ludwig each role check a different non-inactive (we'll need them to respond). Meeple watches whoever one of those is to be role checked. Obviously hatter/medic will not visit any of the people being role checked.
Then, we will hear back about about our detective and watcher findings. Also, each of the people being role checked will say whether they got role blocked.
If neither got role blocked, then we look at meeple's findings: if meeple saw that person get visited, then the detective who was supposed to check the other person is the mafioso and we lynch him. If meeple did not see that person get visited, then the detective who was supposed to check the person meeple was watching is the mafioso.
If one of the people got role blocked, then again we look at meeple's findings: if meeple watched the person who claims to be roleblocked, we catch the mafioso. if meeple watched the other person, the detective who was supposed to watch the other person is the mafioso.
Of course, we get the extra benefit of getting the role checks back, which will prove useful once we know which detective is the mafioso.
I would like to note that this plan will fail hard for us if it turns out that none of the three I mentioned are mafia. However, if there is a mafioso in the blue group (seems likely due to evidence), this plan is guaranteed to catch him (with the worst case being meeple is the mafioso, and we end up losing a detective).
Thoughts?
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So I started to think about what a5j just posted. Combine that with the fact that L's claiming being discussed before he made the post would throw all sorts of timing tells off. It also makes perfect sense that a mafioso would claim blue early on to encourage more blues claiming in the future.
So we know the first blue claimer is dead and was blue. The second is ludwig, a prime suspect. Then:
On June 10 2010 17:38 LuDwig- wrote:
I was wondering...
Writing down here our roles is quite a dumb thing -___-
I have played only one game and in that game the PM was not allowed (BANG BANG) so I supposed that also in this game PMs were not allowed..
But when i recived a PM 5 minutes ago i check the rules and O.O (<-my expression)
So don't post your role on the thread but PM L!
We have to decide if L can be trustable or not!
If he is townie he can tell us how to move!
But if he is mafia he will get tons of info about townie and their role!
What to do?
A more experienced player can tell me his thoughts?
He wants us to *PM* L our roles rather than posting them. If that doesn't set off a million red flags, I don't know what does.
going to continue ludwig's analysis, but given that we only have a few hours before night, I'm posting this here now.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.
If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.
I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much. haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__. How to discover who is lying? The plan is quite easy! [blue Tracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night! So we will know for sure who is lying MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right?
BRILLIANT. They set up a scenario where they're guarenteed the tracker kill (noone double claims as tracker) and use the tracker to verify ludwig. Based on his other posting, I also doubt he could think of that plan by himself (or he could and he's just playing dumb).
yeah, I'm not doing a good job of objectively reading ludwig, but he seems visibly upset when citizen hits L, criticizing the shot.
But yeah, my vote is on ludwig for sure
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On June 15 2010 07:38 Vivi57 wrote:So I started to think about what a5j just posted. Combine that with the fact that L's claiming being discussed before he made the post would throw all sorts of timing tells off. It also makes perfect sense that a mafioso would claim blue early on to encourage more blues claiming in the future. So we know the first blue claimer is dead and was blue. The second is ludwig, a prime suspect. Then: Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 17:38 LuDwig- wrote:
I was wondering...
Writing down here our roles is quite a dumb thing -___-
I have played only one game and in that game the PM was not allowed (BANG BANG) so I supposed that also in this game PMs were not allowed..
But when i recived a PM 5 minutes ago i check the rules and O.O (<-my expression)
So don't post your role on the thread but PM L!
We have to decide if L can be trustable or not!
If he is townie he can tell us how to move!
But if he is mafia he will get tons of info about townie and their role!
What to do?
A more experienced player can tell me his thoughts? He wants us to *PM* L our roles rather than posting them. If that doesn't set off a million red flags, I don't know what does. going to continue ludwig's analysis, but given that we only have a few hours before night, I'm posting this here now.
Oh jesus christ I completely forgot he said that. I bet the mafia were banking on L being the godfather and "immune" from role checks and hoping he would be the blue circle leader.
Let's not go overboard and lynch ludwig right now, but instead let's go ahead and lynch RoL and discuss the plan for night actions I proposed.
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On June 15 2010 07:52 Vivi57 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.
If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.
I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much. haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__. How to discover who is lying? The plan is quite easy! [blue Tracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night! So we will know for sure who is lying MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right? BRILLIANT. They set up a scenario where they're guarenteed the tracker kill (noone double claims as tracker) and use the tracker to verify ludwig. Based on his other posting, I also doubt he could think of that plan by himself (or he could and he's just playing dumb). yeah, I'm not doing a good job of objectively reading ludwig, but he seems visibly upset when citizen hits L, criticizing the shot. But yeah, my vote is on ludwig for sure [/blue]
Pretty interesting read so far and good find imo.
I'll re-check your stuff and post my analysis of him but it does look like LuDwig is more mafia like to me now.
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On June 15 2010 07:52 Vivi57 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.
If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.
I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much. haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__. How to discover who is lying? The plan is quite easy! [blue Tracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night! So we will know for sure who is lying MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right? BRILLIANT. They set up a scenario where they're guarenteed the tracker kill (noone double claims as tracker) and use the tracker to verify ludwig. Based on his other posting, I also doubt he could think of that plan by himself (or he could and he's just playing dumb). yeah, I'm not doing a good job of objectively reading ludwig, but he seems visibly upset when citizen hits L, criticizing the shot. But yeah, my vote is on ludwig for sure [/blue]
Hmmm, so ludwig role blocked me in case meeple watched me (even though meeple said he'd flip a coin between tree hugger and ludwig) or tree.hugger tracked ludwig and was saved by a medic?
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 15 2010 07:55 MooCow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 07:52 Vivi57 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.
If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.
I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much. haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__. How to discover who is lying? The plan is quite easy! [blue Tracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night! So we will know for sure who is lying MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right? BRILLIANT. They set up a scenario where they're guarenteed the tracker kill (noone double claims as tracker) and use the tracker to verify ludwig. Based on his other posting, I also doubt he could think of that plan by himself (or he could and he's just playing dumb). yeah, I'm not doing a good job of objectively reading ludwig, but he seems visibly upset when citizen hits L, criticizing the shot. But yeah, my vote is on ludwig for sure Pretty interesting read so far and good find imo. I'll re-check your stuff and post my analysis of him but it does look like LuDwig is more mafia like to me now. [/blue]
We don't need to spend time right now lynching possible DT's because they have a slim chance of being red. That's something we do if we're in a desperate scenario. Godfather being dead now means we stick to the original plan of lynching an inactive and coordinating DT checks on someone tomorrow (I like Ohn, he's always inactive when he's mafia I have first hand experience with that)
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On June 15 2010 08:00 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 07:55 MooCow wrote:On June 15 2010 07:52 Vivi57 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.
If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.
I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much. haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__. How to discover who is lying? The plan is quite easy! [blue Tracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night! So we will know for sure who is lying MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right? BRILLIANT. They set up a scenario where they're guarenteed the tracker kill (noone double claims as tracker) and use the tracker to verify ludwig. Based on his other posting, I also doubt he could think of that plan by himself (or he could and he's just playing dumb). yeah, I'm not doing a good job of objectively reading ludwig, but he seems visibly upset when citizen hits L, criticizing the shot. But yeah, my vote is on ludwig for sure Pretty interesting read so far and good find imo. I'll re-check your stuff and post my analysis of him but it does look like LuDwig is more mafia like to me now. We don't need to spend time right now lynching possible DT's because they have a slim chance of being red. That's something we do if we're in a desperate scenario. Godfather being dead now means we stick to the original plan of lynching an inactive and coordinating DT checks on someone tomorrow (I like Ohn, he's always inactive when he's mafia I have first hand experience with that) [/blue]
I never said I wanted to lynch LuDwig atm. I just said i'd check up closer on him.
I've been trying to rally people to chose an early target to lynch as a test pig for us all ( the blues ) to check up on and prove our roles.
I don't mind trying AFJ idea but I don't like bringing in extra people because it can cause so much more confusion with more lies and claims from other people rather than having one target.
I suggested Vivi and Ohn earlier. Vivi just improved some of his activity and some pretty good information.
Foolishness also chooses ohn. So if we can decide earlier so our night actions aren't made last minute and from one person like last night ( LuDwig ) we can work some stuff out.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 15 2010 08:06 MooCow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 08:00 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 07:55 MooCow wrote:On June 15 2010 07:52 Vivi57 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.
If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.
I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much. haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__. How to discover who is lying? The plan is quite easy! Tracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night! So we will know for sure who is lying MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right? BRILLIANT. They set up a scenario where they're guarenteed the tracker kill (noone double claims as tracker) and use the tracker to verify ludwig. Based on his other posting, I also doubt he could think of that plan by himself (or he could and he's just playing dumb). yeah, I'm not doing a good job of objectively reading ludwig, but he seems visibly upset when citizen hits L, criticizing the shot. But yeah, my vote is on ludwig for sure Pretty interesting read so far and good find imo. I'll re-check your stuff and post my analysis of him but it does look like LuDwig is more mafia like to me now. We don't need to spend time right now lynching possible DT's because they have a slim chance of being red. That's something we do if we're in a desperate scenario. Godfather being dead now means we stick to the original plan of lynching an inactive and coordinating DT checks on someone tomorrow (I like Ohn, he's always inactive when he's mafia I have first hand experience with that) I never said I wanted to lynch LuDwig atm. I just said i'd check up closer on him. I've been trying to rally people to chose an early target to lynch as a test pig for us all ( the blues ) to check up on and prove our roles. I don't mind trying AFJ idea but I don't like bringing in extra people because it can cause so much more confusion with more lies and claims from other people rather than having one target. I suggested Vivi and Ohn earlier. Vivi just improved some of his activity and some pretty good information. Foolishness also chooses ohn. So if we can decide earlier so our night actions aren't made last minute and from one person like last night ( LuDwig ) we can work some stuff out.
We got 2 hours until day is over. RoL is already dead unless something drastic happens, which it won't. So we might as well talk about what night actions are going on. First thing is obviously to coordinate DT checks. We might as well vote on it.
##vote Ohn for DT checks
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On June 15 2010 08:13 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 08:06 MooCow wrote:On June 15 2010 08:00 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 07:55 MooCow wrote:On June 15 2010 07:52 Vivi57 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.
If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.
I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much. haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__. How to discover who is lying? The plan is quite easy! Tracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night! So we will know for sure who is lying MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right? BRILLIANT. They set up a scenario where they're guarenteed the tracker kill (noone double claims as tracker) and use the tracker to verify ludwig. Based on his other posting, I also doubt he could think of that plan by himself (or he could and he's just playing dumb). yeah, I'm not doing a good job of objectively reading ludwig, but he seems visibly upset when citizen hits L, criticizing the shot. But yeah, my vote is on ludwig for sure Pretty interesting read so far and good find imo. I'll re-check your stuff and post my analysis of him but it does look like LuDwig is more mafia like to me now. We don't need to spend time right now lynching possible DT's because they have a slim chance of being red. That's something we do if we're in a desperate scenario. Godfather being dead now means we stick to the original plan of lynching an inactive and coordinating DT checks on someone tomorrow (I like Ohn, he's always inactive when he's mafia I have first hand experience with that) I never said I wanted to lynch LuDwig atm. I just said i'd check up closer on him. I've been trying to rally people to chose an early target to lynch as a test pig for us all ( the blues ) to check up on and prove our roles. I don't mind trying AFJ idea but I don't like bringing in extra people because it can cause so much more confusion with more lies and claims from other people rather than having one target. I suggested Vivi and Ohn earlier. Vivi just improved some of his activity and some pretty good information. Foolishness also chooses ohn. So if we can decide earlier so our night actions aren't made last minute and from one person like last night ( LuDwig ) we can work some stuff out. We got 2 hours until day is over. RoL is already dead unless something drastic happens, which it won't. So we might as well talk about what night actions are going on. First thing is obviously to coordinate DT checks. We might as well vote on it. ##vote Ohn for DT checks
I'm leery of DT checking ohN because he may not respond to us asking him if he got roleblocked, which is very important information if you buy into the plan I proposed (even if we don't end up lynching ludwig or moocow, in the end the more information the better right?).
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On June 15 2010 08:00 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 07:55 MooCow wrote:On June 15 2010 07:52 Vivi57 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.
If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.
I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much. haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__. How to discover who is lying? The plan is quite easy! [blue Tracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night! So we will know for sure who is lying MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right? BRILLIANT. They set up a scenario where they're guarenteed the tracker kill (noone double claims as tracker) and use the tracker to verify ludwig. Based on his other posting, I also doubt he could think of that plan by himself (or he could and he's just playing dumb). yeah, I'm not doing a good job of objectively reading ludwig, but he seems visibly upset when citizen hits L, criticizing the shot. But yeah, my vote is on ludwig for sure Pretty interesting read so far and good find imo. I'll re-check your stuff and post my analysis of him but it does look like LuDwig is more mafia like to me now. We don't need to spend time right now lynching possible DT's because they have a slim chance of being red. That's something we do if we're in a desperate scenario. Godfather being dead now means we stick to the original plan of lynching an inactive and coordinating DT checks on someone tomorrow (I like Ohn, he's always inactive when he's mafia I have first hand experience with that) [/blue]
This sounds fine. Will vote ohn - thought his lack of reaction to my day one vote was a bit odd. At any rate he ain't helping us.
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On June 15 2010 08:18 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 08:13 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 08:06 MooCow wrote:On June 15 2010 08:00 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 07:55 MooCow wrote:On June 15 2010 07:52 Vivi57 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.
If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.
I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much. haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__. How to discover who is lying? The plan is quite easy! Tracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night! So we will know for sure who is lying MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right? BRILLIANT. They set up a scenario where they're guarenteed the tracker kill (noone double claims as tracker) and use the tracker to verify ludwig. Based on his other posting, I also doubt he could think of that plan by himself (or he could and he's just playing dumb). yeah, I'm not doing a good job of objectively reading ludwig, but he seems visibly upset when citizen hits L, criticizing the shot. But yeah, my vote is on ludwig for sure Pretty interesting read so far and good find imo. I'll re-check your stuff and post my analysis of him but it does look like LuDwig is more mafia like to me now. We don't need to spend time right now lynching possible DT's because they have a slim chance of being red. That's something we do if we're in a desperate scenario. Godfather being dead now means we stick to the original plan of lynching an inactive and coordinating DT checks on someone tomorrow (I like Ohn, he's always inactive when he's mafia I have first hand experience with that) I never said I wanted to lynch LuDwig atm. I just said i'd check up closer on him. I've been trying to rally people to chose an early target to lynch as a test pig for us all ( the blues ) to check up on and prove our roles. I don't mind trying AFJ idea but I don't like bringing in extra people because it can cause so much more confusion with more lies and claims from other people rather than having one target. I suggested Vivi and Ohn earlier. Vivi just improved some of his activity and some pretty good information. Foolishness also chooses ohn. So if we can decide earlier so our night actions aren't made last minute and from one person like last night ( LuDwig ) we can work some stuff out. We got 2 hours until day is over. RoL is already dead unless something drastic happens, which it won't. So we might as well talk about what night actions are going on. First thing is obviously to coordinate DT checks. We might as well vote on it. ##vote Ohn for DT checks I'm leery of DT checking ohN because he may not respond to us asking him if he got roleblocked, which is very important information if you buy into the plan I proposed (even if we don't end up lynching ludwig or moocow, in the end the more information the better right?).
Him not responding means he's of no use to the town, and even if he's town aligned he should die. Also confirming DT sanities out of it is even better for us.
Obviously if you have someone better, give reasoning and vote. There's no reason not to unless you're mafia.
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On June 15 2010 08:20 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 08:18 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 15 2010 08:13 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 08:06 MooCow wrote:On June 15 2010 08:00 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 07:55 MooCow wrote:On June 15 2010 07:52 Vivi57 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.
If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.
I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much. haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__. How to discover who is lying? The plan is quite easy! Tracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night! So we will know for sure who is lying MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right? BRILLIANT. They set up a scenario where they're guarenteed the tracker kill (noone double claims as tracker) and use the tracker to verify ludwig. Based on his other posting, I also doubt he could think of that plan by himself (or he could and he's just playing dumb). yeah, I'm not doing a good job of objectively reading ludwig, but he seems visibly upset when citizen hits L, criticizing the shot. But yeah, my vote is on ludwig for sure Pretty interesting read so far and good find imo. I'll re-check your stuff and post my analysis of him but it does look like LuDwig is more mafia like to me now. We don't need to spend time right now lynching possible DT's because they have a slim chance of being red. That's something we do if we're in a desperate scenario. Godfather being dead now means we stick to the original plan of lynching an inactive and coordinating DT checks on someone tomorrow (I like Ohn, he's always inactive when he's mafia I have first hand experience with that) I never said I wanted to lynch LuDwig atm. I just said i'd check up closer on him. I've been trying to rally people to chose an early target to lynch as a test pig for us all ( the blues ) to check up on and prove our roles. I don't mind trying AFJ idea but I don't like bringing in extra people because it can cause so much more confusion with more lies and claims from other people rather than having one target. I suggested Vivi and Ohn earlier. Vivi just improved some of his activity and some pretty good information. Foolishness also chooses ohn. So if we can decide earlier so our night actions aren't made last minute and from one person like last night ( LuDwig ) we can work some stuff out. We got 2 hours until day is over. RoL is already dead unless something drastic happens, which it won't. So we might as well talk about what night actions are going on. First thing is obviously to coordinate DT checks. We might as well vote on it. ##vote Ohn for DT checks I'm leery of DT checking ohN because he may not respond to us asking him if he got roleblocked, which is very important information if you buy into the plan I proposed (even if we don't end up lynching ludwig or moocow, in the end the more information the better right?). Him not responding means he's of no use to the town, and even if he's town aligned he should die. Also confirming DT sanities out of it is even better for us. Obviously if you have someone better, give reasoning and vote. There's no reason not to unless you're mafia.
Hmmm... ok, I'm fine with ohN as long as we have our less suspect detective (MooCow) rolecheck him and have Ludwig role check another (bit more active) person (call them person A). That way A will probably be the one to say they got role blocked, if anyone.
And dude, it's time to stop accusing me of being mafia.
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On June 15 2010 08:18 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 08:13 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 08:06 MooCow wrote:On June 15 2010 08:00 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 07:55 MooCow wrote:On June 15 2010 07:52 Vivi57 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.
If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.
I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much. haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__. How to discover who is lying? The plan is quite easy! Tracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night! So we will know for sure who is lying MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right? BRILLIANT. They set up a scenario where they're guarenteed the tracker kill (noone double claims as tracker) and use the tracker to verify ludwig. Based on his other posting, I also doubt he could think of that plan by himself (or he could and he's just playing dumb). yeah, I'm not doing a good job of objectively reading ludwig, but he seems visibly upset when citizen hits L, criticizing the shot. But yeah, my vote is on ludwig for sure Pretty interesting read so far and good find imo. I'll re-check your stuff and post my analysis of him but it does look like LuDwig is more mafia like to me now. We don't need to spend time right now lynching possible DT's because they have a slim chance of being red. That's something we do if we're in a desperate scenario. Godfather being dead now means we stick to the original plan of lynching an inactive and coordinating DT checks on someone tomorrow (I like Ohn, he's always inactive when he's mafia I have first hand experience with that) I never said I wanted to lynch LuDwig atm. I just said i'd check up closer on him. I've been trying to rally people to chose an early target to lynch as a test pig for us all ( the blues ) to check up on and prove our roles. I don't mind trying AFJ idea but I don't like bringing in extra people because it can cause so much more confusion with more lies and claims from other people rather than having one target. I suggested Vivi and Ohn earlier. Vivi just improved some of his activity and some pretty good information. Foolishness also chooses ohn. So if we can decide earlier so our night actions aren't made last minute and from one person like last night ( LuDwig ) we can work some stuff out. We got 2 hours until day is over. RoL is already dead unless something drastic happens, which it won't. So we might as well talk about what night actions are going on. First thing is obviously to coordinate DT checks. We might as well vote on it. ##vote Ohn for DT checks I'm leery of DT checking ohN because he may not respond to us asking him if he got roleblocked, which is very important information if you buy into the plan I proposed (even if we don't end up lynching ludwig or moocow, in the end the more information the better right?).
I think we should go with my earlier plan of 2 DT's checking one target ( possibly Ohn ). Watcher/tracker follows up on us or the target to make sure everyone is telling the truth and we all reveal our information.
But with the new info we have ( AFJ and citizen MAYBE 100% town or someone we can REALLY trust) how about we PM our findings to them so we don't reveal it to the public and we'll continue from there?
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On June 15 2010 08:28 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 08:20 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 08:18 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 15 2010 08:13 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 08:06 MooCow wrote:On June 15 2010 08:00 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 07:55 MooCow wrote:On June 15 2010 07:52 Vivi57 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.
If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.
I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much. haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__. How to discover who is lying? The plan is quite easy! Tracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night! So we will know for sure who is lying MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right? BRILLIANT. They set up a scenario where they're guarenteed the tracker kill (noone double claims as tracker) and use the tracker to verify ludwig. Based on his other posting, I also doubt he could think of that plan by himself (or he could and he's just playing dumb). yeah, I'm not doing a good job of objectively reading ludwig, but he seems visibly upset when citizen hits L, criticizing the shot. But yeah, my vote is on ludwig for sure Pretty interesting read so far and good find imo. I'll re-check your stuff and post my analysis of him but it does look like LuDwig is more mafia like to me now. We don't need to spend time right now lynching possible DT's because they have a slim chance of being red. That's something we do if we're in a desperate scenario. Godfather being dead now means we stick to the original plan of lynching an inactive and coordinating DT checks on someone tomorrow (I like Ohn, he's always inactive when he's mafia I have first hand experience with that) I never said I wanted to lynch LuDwig atm. I just said i'd check up closer on him. I've been trying to rally people to chose an early target to lynch as a test pig for us all ( the blues ) to check up on and prove our roles. I don't mind trying AFJ idea but I don't like bringing in extra people because it can cause so much more confusion with more lies and claims from other people rather than having one target. I suggested Vivi and Ohn earlier. Vivi just improved some of his activity and some pretty good information. Foolishness also chooses ohn. So if we can decide earlier so our night actions aren't made last minute and from one person like last night ( LuDwig ) we can work some stuff out. We got 2 hours until day is over. RoL is already dead unless something drastic happens, which it won't. So we might as well talk about what night actions are going on. First thing is obviously to coordinate DT checks. We might as well vote on it. ##vote Ohn for DT checks I'm leery of DT checking ohN because he may not respond to us asking him if he got roleblocked, which is very important information if you buy into the plan I proposed (even if we don't end up lynching ludwig or moocow, in the end the more information the better right?). Him not responding means he's of no use to the town, and even if he's town aligned he should die. Also confirming DT sanities out of it is even better for us. Obviously if you have someone better, give reasoning and vote. There's no reason not to unless you're mafia. Hmmm... ok, I'm fine with ohN as long as we have our less suspect detective (MooCow) rolecheck him and have Ludwig role check another (bit more active) person (call them person A). That way A will probably be the one to say they got role blocked, if anyone. And dude, it's time to stop accusing me of being mafia.
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I'm here and I'm willing to change my vote. I'll be around for like another 30-40 minutes.
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On June 15 2010 08:31 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 08:28 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 15 2010 08:20 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 08:18 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 15 2010 08:13 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 08:06 MooCow wrote:On June 15 2010 08:00 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 07:55 MooCow wrote:On June 15 2010 07:52 Vivi57 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.
If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.
I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much. haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__. How to discover who is lying? The plan is quite easy! Tracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night! So we will know for sure who is lying MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right? BRILLIANT. They set up a scenario where they're guarenteed the tracker kill (noone double claims as tracker) and use the tracker to verify ludwig. Based on his other posting, I also doubt he could think of that plan by himself (or he could and he's just playing dumb). yeah, I'm not doing a good job of objectively reading ludwig, but he seems visibly upset when citizen hits L, criticizing the shot. But yeah, my vote is on ludwig for sure Pretty interesting read so far and good find imo. I'll re-check your stuff and post my analysis of him but it does look like LuDwig is more mafia like to me now. We don't need to spend time right now lynching possible DT's because they have a slim chance of being red. That's something we do if we're in a desperate scenario. Godfather being dead now means we stick to the original plan of lynching an inactive and coordinating DT checks on someone tomorrow (I like Ohn, he's always inactive when he's mafia I have first hand experience with that) I never said I wanted to lynch LuDwig atm. I just said i'd check up closer on him. I've been trying to rally people to chose an early target to lynch as a test pig for us all ( the blues ) to check up on and prove our roles. I don't mind trying AFJ idea but I don't like bringing in extra people because it can cause so much more confusion with more lies and claims from other people rather than having one target. I suggested Vivi and Ohn earlier. Vivi just improved some of his activity and some pretty good information. Foolishness also chooses ohn. So if we can decide earlier so our night actions aren't made last minute and from one person like last night ( LuDwig ) we can work some stuff out. We got 2 hours until day is over. RoL is already dead unless something drastic happens, which it won't. So we might as well talk about what night actions are going on. First thing is obviously to coordinate DT checks. We might as well vote on it. ##vote Ohn for DT checks I'm leery of DT checking ohN because he may not respond to us asking him if he got roleblocked, which is very important information if you buy into the plan I proposed (even if we don't end up lynching ludwig or moocow, in the end the more information the better right?). Him not responding means he's of no use to the town, and even if he's town aligned he should die. Also confirming DT sanities out of it is even better for us. Obviously if you have someone better, give reasoning and vote. There's no reason not to unless you're mafia. Hmmm... ok, I'm fine with ohN as long as we have our less suspect detective (MooCow) rolecheck him and have Ludwig role check another (bit more active) person (call them person A). That way A will probably be the one to say they got role blocked, if anyone. And dude, it's time to stop accusing me of being mafia. I'm here and I'm willing to change my vote. I'll be around for like another 30-40 minutes.
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Just a FYI we aren't voting ohn for this current lynch right now. This is for the next lynch so we can confirm for all our blue roles on who to check.
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On June 15 2010 08:29 MooCow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 08:18 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 15 2010 08:13 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 08:06 MooCow wrote:On June 15 2010 08:00 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 07:55 MooCow wrote:On June 15 2010 07:52 Vivi57 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2010 03:01 LuDwig- wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 01:06 MooCow wrote:
I'm going to shake things up a bit.
If there's one detective in this game it's ME! I'm the real Detective, not sure about sanity yet.
I didn't role claim etc because I was waiting to see if LuDwig would screw up but he didn't really post that much. haahah quite easy to claim Detective when we are sending not claiming people to a corner .__. How to discover who is lying? The plan is quite easy! Tracker checks this night me or moocow. If one of us is lying tracker will knows that we have visited nobody during the night! So we will know for sure who is lying MooCow...i suppose you have not problem following this plan right? BRILLIANT. They set up a scenario where they're guarenteed the tracker kill (noone double claims as tracker) and use the tracker to verify ludwig. Based on his other posting, I also doubt he could think of that plan by himself (or he could and he's just playing dumb). yeah, I'm not doing a good job of objectively reading ludwig, but he seems visibly upset when citizen hits L, criticizing the shot. But yeah, my vote is on ludwig for sure Pretty interesting read so far and good find imo. I'll re-check your stuff and post my analysis of him but it does look like LuDwig is more mafia like to me now. We don't need to spend time right now lynching possible DT's because they have a slim chance of being red. That's something we do if we're in a desperate scenario. Godfather being dead now means we stick to the original plan of lynching an inactive and coordinating DT checks on someone tomorrow (I like Ohn, he's always inactive when he's mafia I have first hand experience with that) I never said I wanted to lynch LuDwig atm. I just said i'd check up closer on him. I've been trying to rally people to chose an early target to lynch as a test pig for us all ( the blues ) to check up on and prove our roles. I don't mind trying AFJ idea but I don't like bringing in extra people because it can cause so much more confusion with more lies and claims from other people rather than having one target. I suggested Vivi and Ohn earlier. Vivi just improved some of his activity and some pretty good information. Foolishness also chooses ohn. So if we can decide earlier so our night actions aren't made last minute and from one person like last night ( LuDwig ) we can work some stuff out. We got 2 hours until day is over. RoL is already dead unless something drastic happens, which it won't. So we might as well talk about what night actions are going on. First thing is obviously to coordinate DT checks. We might as well vote on it. ##vote Ohn for DT checks I'm leery of DT checking ohN because he may not respond to us asking him if he got roleblocked, which is very important information if you buy into the plan I proposed (even if we don't end up lynching ludwig or moocow, in the end the more information the better right?). I think we should go with my earlier plan of 2 DT's checking one target ( possibly Ohn ). Watcher/tracker follows up on us or the target to make sure everyone is telling the truth and we all reveal our information.
No, that won't work. Think about it more carefully. If you or ludwig are the roleblocker, they can roleblock who they are supposed to be investigating and the watcher won't be able to tell the difference (and we don't have a tracker anymore).
But with the new info we have ( AFJ and citizen MAYBE 100% town or someone we can REALLY trust) how about we PM our findings to them so we don't reveal it to the public and we'll continue from there?
I don't see the point. With most information public at this point, we might as well keep it public. Everyone in the town should be involved in decisions since we have public blues. Of course, if anyone wants to talk to someone they trust as townie via PM, I'm always open.
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What I mean is if we were going with my plan, both DT's get their information right and we PM it to a someone we trust so one or the other can't copy each other ( although there's only a 50% chance ).
The PM'd person confirms that he has both the DT's results and goes public with it.
The information will become public to everyone just not initially.
Basically imo it's just an extra method to stop one or the other from claiming to find the same info ( only 50% chance though ) but still worth it and pretty easy to do.
We can even PM 2 people ( AFJ and citizen ) you guys confirm it and then come out with the information to the public.
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On June 15 2010 08:43 MooCow wrote:
What I mean is if we were going with my plan, both DT's get their information right and we PM it to a someone we trust so one or the other can't copy each other ( although there's only a 50% chance ).
The PM'd person confirms that he has both the DT's results and goes public with it.
The information will become public to everyone just not initially.
Basically imo it's just an extra method to stop one or the other from claiming to find the same info ( only 50% chance though ) but still worth it and pretty easy to do.
We can even PM 2 people ( AFJ and citizen ) you guys confirm it and then come out with the information to the public.
Well... I think its a good idea to PM citi.zen with the info... since then at least you're unaware of the other people's findings... I doubt its really all that useful since it's not really that profitable to copy the other persons results.
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On June 15 2010 08:50 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 08:43 MooCow wrote:
What I mean is if we were going with my plan, both DT's get their information right and we PM it to a someone we trust so one or the other can't copy each other ( although there's only a 50% chance ).
The PM'd person confirms that he has both the DT's results and goes public with it.
The information will become public to everyone just not initially.
Basically imo it's just an extra method to stop one or the other from claiming to find the same info ( only 50% chance though ) but still worth it and pretty easy to do.
We can even PM 2 people ( AFJ and citizen ) you guys confirm it and then come out with the information to the public. Well... I think its a good idea to PM citi.zen with the info... since then at least you're unaware of the other people's findings... I doubt its really all that useful since it's not really that profitable to copy the other persons results.
Well my thinking was
Scenario
Both A and B claim DT. A post his findings first to the public. If B is mafia he can simply copy whatever I say to make himself also look like a DT.
Although as I said there's only a 50% chance this will even do anything. If either the DT is a mafia in hopes that they don't want to potentially screw up.
It's pretty simple to do with someone we trust and as i said before it may or may not be useful but it just adds a bit of trouble for the mafia.
It was a suggestion but if no one wants to do it fair enough we can just go public straight away with our information.
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On June 15 2010 08:43 MooCow wrote:
What I mean is if we were going with my plan, both DT's get their information right and we PM it to a someone we trust so one or the other can't copy each other ( although there's only a 50% chance ).
The PM'd person confirms that he has both the DT's results and goes public with it.
The information will become public to everyone just not initially.
Basically imo it's just an extra method to stop one or the other from claiming to find the same info ( only 50% chance though ) but still worth it and pretty easy to do.
We can even PM 2 people ( AFJ and citizen ) you guys confirm it and then come out with the information to the public.
Oh ok, that makes sense. It's actually a no-lose situation, since either of you would we were making it up.
The right way to implement this plan would be as follows:
both detectives and watcher PM both me and citi.zen with their results. Me and citi.zen will then communicate to make sure we got the same results and subsequently post them in the thread. If one of the detectives tries to frame one of us for lying, the other person can back him up. There are various other possibilities of people being mafia, but I think they will all work out in favor of the town.
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Yeah thats true... and definitely a way that a mafia can throw us off track for a while anyways... since it might look like we have two legit sane dts when we don't. Although I think if the mafia was claiming to be a dt especially in this game they would just pretend to be naive/paranoid...
Still... like I said, I think we should do this.
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One thing to consider in this hour is that RoL might be modkilled for inactivity... seeing as he hasn't posted/voted yet.
I wouldn't want to waste a lynch... Are there enough people around to swing the vote to Vivi57 or someone if RoL doesn't turn up?
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That's a good point meeple. vivi57 is the only person besides ohn, opz, RoL (current non-voters) who we wouldn't miss too much as a townie. He did jump in a page back to talk about the plan I proposed and wrote some good analysis though... I don't have a strong read on him either way.
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Would Vivi, as a mafia, give information on another potential mafia and throw him under the bus like that?
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woops wanted to add
I'm not sure that he would give that kind of information.
But i'm willing to change my vote to whomever because we are basically wasting our lynch on an inactive.
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well... he was the only other one who had some support behind his lynch... and he won't be modkilled.
redtooth might fall into that category... but I thought that his comment about keeping a close watch on L might be a green tell.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Just got in, only 35 minutes to go sorry. Reading thread.
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Foolishness
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I'd be okay switching to Vivi, or Ohn/Opz should they appear and vote (I'm expecting these people will come and vote last minute to avoid any killing).
Killing flamewheel would also be very nice.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Vivi57 already voted for LuDwig-, Foolishness.
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On June 15 2010 09:40 flamewheel wrote:
Vivi57 already voted for LuDwig-, Foolishness.
I think there was a comma there... indicating only ohn/opz still needed to vote
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Oh, right. Guessing they'll be modkilled in... 15 minutes as is.
Foolishness, why would you want to kill me :<
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Foolishness
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On June 15 2010 09:45 flamewheel wrote:
Oh, right. Guessing they'll be modkilled in... 15 minutes as is.
Foolishness, why would you want to kill me :<
Because you're acting strange. You've been active and have made a lot of posts, but none of the say anything. You've hardly said anything of your own opinion, you're very hesitant when asked questions. I've been in games where you're town and your attitude this game is not how you usually are when you're town. You got all the stereotypical signs of a mafia on ya.
I mean, it should be irrelevant to you, assuming we stick to our plan you'll have another 2 days to live at the least, and probably more than that since we have to deal with inactives before dealing with active people like you.
But as long as I'm alive I'm going to pressure you until you help the town.
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So should we switch real quick to someone? Looks like all three of them are gonna be modkilled -_-
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Foolishness
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On June 15 2010 09:53 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
So should we switch real quick to someone? Looks like all three of them are gonna be modkilled -_-
Might as well switch to Vivi
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We've got 5 minutes... I think after a minute or two we should switch
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Sounds good. By the way, when you say 'games' I only have two 
One of them I was lynched for "talking too much."
The other one was XVI, where I just flailed around like a chicken with my head cut off.
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Foolishness
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Assuming all 3 are killed, we need to discuss who DTs are checking as well.
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yeah we need to switch our votes asap... they'll likely get modkilled
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Foolishness
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Just be ready to switch back if RoL appears
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On June 15 2010 09:55 Foolishness wrote:
Assuming all 3 are killed, we need to discuss who DTs are checking as well.
Yep we should definitely find a new target after all the killings and decide so we don't have to do a last minute scramble.
Also first mafia game bandwagon hoo!
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My finger is hot on the trigger baby
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I'm so glad so many are around that we can swap like this...
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Foolishness
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On June 15 2010 09:59 meeple wrote:
I'm so glad so many are around that we can swap like this...
Yeah...I remember last time I tried to pull off a vote switch as mafia only half my team showed up for it...
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
That's time.
Korynne hasn't been keeping up with this thread, heh.
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On June 15 2010 10:00 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 09:59 meeple wrote:
I'm so glad so many are around that we can swap like this... Yeah...I remember last time I tried to pull off a vote switch as mafia only half my team showed up for it...
##Slap foolishness
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On June 15 2010 10:01 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 10:00 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 09:59 meeple wrote:
I'm so glad so many are around that we can swap like this... Yeah...I remember last time I tried to pull off a vote switch as mafia only half my team showed up for it... ##Slap foolishness
We should really start having IRC games sometime.
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Ah well... hopefully we see red blood tonight... with 4 kills its hard to beleive we won't. Still its shitty to win by inactivity
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how funny would it be if all 3 who are gonna be modkilled are mafia and giving up... and the green is the one we lynched
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On June 15 2010 10:03 meeple wrote:
Ah well... hopefully we see red blood tonight... with 4 kills its hard to beleive we won't. Still its shitty to win by inactivity
Was thinking the same thing.
I thought this game was supposed to be really active -_-;;
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Korynne is having trouble with her tags :/
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Something something. I will edit this later to make it prettier.
But for now, since you're all such eager beavers:
Vivi57 the Townie was lynched.
~OpZ~ the Mafia was modkilled.
RebirthOfLeGend the Townie was modkilled.
ohN the Townie was modkilled.
Night actions are due to me by Wednesday, Jun 16 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). Please PM me, not Incognito (you can PM him just in case if you wish). By the way there are 2 mafia left.
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Haha no one even mentioned ~OpZ~.
Hi-five mod kills!
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
First thoughts: Vivi57 is a townie. Going back to read his accusations against LuDwig-, which have more legitimacy now (if only because Vivi57 was green). Will post some analysis on it, and I guess LuDwig-, after throwing something together for OSL.
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Aha... well we got one... the rest will be less easy to find I would guess... since they're more closely amongst us...
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Foolishness
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1. flamewheel
2. ohN Townie
3. tree.hugger Tracker
4. Vivi57 Townie
5. Radfield
6. Chezinu
7. citi.zen
8. Foolishness
9. redtooth
10. RebirthOfLeGend Townie
11. meeple
12. ~OpZ~ Mafia
13. L Godfather
14. johnnyspazz Townie
15. LuDwig-
16. MooCow
17. AcrossFiveJulys
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Well right off the bat i'm thinking LuDwig. Thanks Vivi ( now deceased ).
He seemed to have really wanted to follow L's plan and defended him etc. He also seems new to the game so I think L was helping him along a lot. His posting has dropped a bit since L got shot.
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sorry vivi57 if you had been more active we wouldn't have gone for you.
but fuck yea on the opz modkill lol... very strange...
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Foolishness
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We need to pick someone for DTs to inspect. We also need to actually kill the person they inspect to try to figure out sanities, as this will also confirm AcrossFiveJulys for certain.
From the remaining pool, I of course would like flamewheel inspected. Now I realize that some people may be against inspecting such a cute player, so I'd be cool with redtooth as well. Radfield has also been suspiciously absent as of late.
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oh modkills, no wonder you guys switched off RoL. Ah well, I might've lynched me in the position.
Also happy being the sole person voting for ~OpZ~ yesterday
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On June 15 2010 10:23 Foolishness wrote:
We need to pick someone for DTs to inspect. We also need to actually kill the person they inspect to try to figure out sanities, as this will also confirm AcrossFiveJulys for certain.
From the remaining pool, I of course would like flamewheel inspected. Now I realize that some people may be against inspecting such a cute player, so I'd be cool with redtooth as well. Radfield has also been suspiciously absent as of late.
I'll volunteer for inspection, and lynching as well if it will help uncover some truths, though your other two names do have merit. Depending on what I can reason about LuDwig- (to be posted tonight), it will be helpful to lynch whomever is inspected if we're deadlocked.
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My suggestion for night actions:
MooCow investigates Flamewheel
Ludwig investigates redtooth
Meeple watches Flamewheel
Medic flips a coin to protect MooCow or Meeple (if ludwig dies and flips town we pretty know MooCow is mafia, otherwise we all suspect ludwig)
Hatter plants bomb on whomever they choose besides the above people
Flamewheel/redtooth: it's very important that you say if you got roleblocked. If one of you lies, we can kill both you and the detective who investigated you in order reduce the mafia count to 1.
People like?
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and sorry for being inactive, but I just lost interest for a while and spent more time playing ddr
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Foolishness
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On June 15 2010 10:28 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
My suggestion for night actions:
MooCow investigates Flamewheel
Ludwig investigates redtooth
Meeple watches Flamewheel
Medic flips a coin to protect MooCow or Meeple (if ludwig dies and flips town we pretty know MooCow is mafia, otherwise we all suspect ludwig)
Hatter plants bomb on whomever they choose besides the above people
Flamewheel/redtooth: it's very important that you say if you got roleblocked. If one of you lies, we can kill both you and the detective who investigated you in order reduce the mafia count to 1.
People like?
I think it's better DTs check the same person. If we kill said person, then both DTs will probably know their alignment afterwards (not for certain, depends on the person and the results returned).
If we do your plan, and split the DTs up. Say one of them turns up mafia and we kill them. Regardless of their actual alignment, only ONE detective is going to know their alignment, and the other one will still be clueless.
Assuming of course both DTs are actually DTs and not something else.
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On June 15 2010 10:28 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
My suggestion for night actions:
MooCow investigates Flamewheel
Ludwig investigates redtooth
Meeple watches Flamewheel
Medic flips a coin to protect MooCow or Meeple (if ludwig dies and flips town we pretty know MooCow is mafia, otherwise we all suspect ludwig)
Hatter plants bomb on whomever they choose besides the above people
Flamewheel/redtooth: it's very important that you say if you got roleblocked. If one of you lies, we can kill both you and the detective who investigated you in order reduce the mafia count to 1.
People like?
I have no problem following this plan but i'll admit I don't 100% really understand this plan but if everyone likes it i'll follow suit.
Explain this to me as if I were an 8 year old.
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On June 15 2010 10:32 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 10:28 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
My suggestion for night actions:
MooCow investigates Flamewheel
Ludwig investigates redtooth
Meeple watches Flamewheel
Medic flips a coin to protect MooCow or Meeple (if ludwig dies and flips town we pretty know MooCow is mafia, otherwise we all suspect ludwig)
Hatter plants bomb on whomever they choose besides the above people
Flamewheel/redtooth: it's very important that you say if you got roleblocked. If one of you lies, we can kill both you and the detective who investigated you in order reduce the mafia count to 1.
People like? I think it's better DTs check the same person. If we kill said person, then both DTs will probably know their alignment afterwards (not for certain, depends on the person and the results returned). If we do your plan, and split the DTs up. Say one of them turns up mafia and we kill them. Regardless of their actual alignment, only ONE detective is going to know their alignment, and the other one will still be clueless. Assuming of course both DTs are actually DTs and not something else.
The problem is that if we stack DT checks, the roleblocker (if he's pretending to be detective, which seems likely) can get away with not being detected.
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Shit I just realized there's a vulnerability in my plan: the role blocker can just role block meeple.
Thinking....
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Foolishness
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On June 15 2010 10:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Shit I just realized there's a vulnerability in my plan: the role blocker can just role block meeple.
Thinking....
If we have both DTs check the same person, and kill that person, we can nearly figure out both their alignments. This would immensely help prove you innocent as well (assuming you are). Don't you want to be confirmed innocent?
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On June 15 2010 10:48 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 10:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Shit I just realized there's a vulnerability in my plan: the role blocker can just role block meeple.
Thinking.... If we have both DTs check the same person, and kill that person, we can nearly figure out both their alignments. This would immensely help prove you innocent as well (assuming you are). Don't you want to be confirmed innocent?
That's only going to help if the role check(s) come back red. That plan is fine to fall back on if we can't construct a more elaborate one that will give us juicy information.
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On June 15 2010 10:51 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 10:48 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 10:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Shit I just realized there's a vulnerability in my plan: the role blocker can just role block meeple.
Thinking.... If we have both DTs check the same person, and kill that person, we can nearly figure out both their alignments. This would immensely help prove you innocent as well (assuming you are). Don't you want to be confirmed innocent? That's only going to help if the role check(s) come back red. That plan is fine to fall back on if we can't construct a more elaborate one that will give us juicy information.
Why does it only help if the RC comes back red?
We chose someone that we want to lynch in advance and no matter what the RC comes back as we lynch them to help solve our sanities.
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lol at modkills
should've lynched them for inactivity instead of me :p
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Ok here's a cool idea:
Given that we don't know whether to trust our detectives, let's have them role check each other. Meeple watches MooCow.
Possible scenarios:
Meeple gets role blocked
If there is a mafia faking detective, our legit detective will get a red role check back on the other detective (assuming he's not naive). Lynch the red detective, if he flips green, lynch the other detective. Mafia down to 1. Wham bam thank you maam!
MooCow gets role blocked (or fakes it)
Meeple will observe who roleblocked him
Ludwig gets role blocked (or fakes it)
MooCow can tell us what he got back for ludwig's alignment. If it's red, lynch ludwig.
The medic should flip a coin whether to protect MooCow or Meeple given we are quite suspicious of ludwig right now.
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On June 15 2010 10:57 MooCow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 10:51 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 15 2010 10:48 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 10:36 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Shit I just realized there's a vulnerability in my plan: the role blocker can just role block meeple.
Thinking.... If we have both DTs check the same person, and kill that person, we can nearly figure out both their alignments. This would immensely help prove you innocent as well (assuming you are). Don't you want to be confirmed innocent? That's only going to help if the role check(s) come back red. That plan is fine to fall back on if we can't construct a more elaborate one that will give us juicy information. Why does it only help if the RC comes back red? We chose someone that we want to lynch in advance and no matter what the RC comes back as we lynch them to help solve our sanities.
I should be somewhat confirmed as green at this point. Just look at my conversations with L and such (including the PM exchange I had with him). So we already know (or heavily suspect from your viewpoint) that of the truth telling detective(s), they are sane or naive. So if we lynch a green role checkee we get no additional information (well, it completely confirms me, but that doesn't seem like the most important information right now given that I'm trusted by most of you guys).
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Radfield
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I agree 100% with foolishness. By having our dt's check the same person, and then subsequently killing that person, we should be able to get very close to figuring out the sanities. I also think that the results should not be made public, and should be pm'ed to two people before having the results released.
My absence is due to exceeding our bandwidth limit and basically getting cut off for 24 hrs. Our speed drops to almost zero, and sometimes doesn't work at all.
These are our remaining players
Claimed Blue
Meeple
Ludwig
Moocow
Not very suspicious at the moment
Foolishness
Citizen
AcrossFiveJulys
Mildly Suspicious
Chezinu
Flamewheel
Redtooth
People can slot me in wherever they think I belong. Personally I find moocow to be more suspicious then ludwig, but I think it possible that both are legit dt's. Very likely one is naive if that's the case. It's still premature to start offing the blues though.
Despite the fact we have 2 mafia down, losing 3 greens today seriously hurts us. Day 5 is lynch or lose at this point, assuming no medic saves or vets.
Personally I find redtooth the most suspicious of those three, Chez second, Flamewheel third.
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I trust Ludwig with almost no doubts... much more than moocow... and I trust them both more than some other people.
There's a slight chance of there being mafia amongst our dts... but like radfield said, its questionable whether this is a good time to start offing claimed blues.
flamewheel's willingness to undergo a check makes me hesitate to push a check on him... but it doesn't put him in the clear obviously. I would try for a redtooth alignment check tonight... or Chez...
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Have you been following the thread? You did this before.
I'm suspicious but you're using my ideas in the first paragraph. I suggested all these things before Foolishness. If I were mafia why would I give the townies ideas on how to do things etc?
What exactly makes you guys trust LuDwig?
His actions protecting L and pushing for L's plans?
His sudden inactivity as soon as L is shot?
His initial reactions from when Chez was fooling around shooting people?
His overall low activity?
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Foolishness
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Is this MooCow's first mafia game?
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2nd I died near the start of my first so this is probably the furthest i've been
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Ludwig has been active... but he's just active at a different time... totally offset from North American time.
I never said you were suspicious... I just said that I trust Ludwig... mostly because if he was mafia there's no way he would've stepped in before. His trusting of L isn't suspicious, tons of people followed L's plan...
His reactions when Chez was shooting people was genuine I felt... he was just confused, as was I, at what the hell was going on.
I have no reason to distrust you, and for sure you're low on the list of suspects...
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mmm... on the other note... about who to dt check tonight... perhaps Chez is a better option. redtooth did make that post earlier questioning L... and his inactivity is a common theme in games I've played with him.
Is there anyone who's averse to checking Chez?
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Foolishness
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On June 15 2010 11:31 MooCow wrote:2nd I died near the start of my first so this is probably the furthest i've been
Okay I got a job for someone.
Let's assume MooCow's mafia. This would mean he's playing us like a DT the entire game. Since this is his second game, if he's honestly fooling us on his own, he deserves an Oscar. More than likely, he's got a mafia buddy writing his posts for him (all the big and important posts).
Now I want someone to go through the timestamping of his posts (the big and important ones, contact me if you need help figuring it out), and see if another "big" named player is around and posting at the same time he is (we're basically looking for whoever could be writing his posts for him). The candidates for this should definitely include Radfield, myself, flamewheel, redtooth.
In the process of this, look for oddly written posts. Do his big posts seem to have a different attitude than his non important ones? If so that's very important. Do all his posts have the same sort of feel, or maybe he's making the same typo over and over? That's important and might show his innocence.
If MooCow is inactive during the same time some other big name is inactive, that should be noted.
TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS
We don't need to confirm the legitimacy of the DT's immediately
We have a nice list of people who are suspicious/inactive. It's pertinent that we deal with them first, and then if we still need to find mafia we look at the DT's. It's much much much much more likely one of the DTs will mess up (they do have a job to do) than the inactives messing up. It's worthwhile for us to keep the DTs alive for the time being.
Also, we shouldn't kill off people who are probably mafia targets during the night. Why bother risking lynching a DT when they might turn up dead after night's over? We have a few days before we need to worry about the DT's. Deal with the inactive/suspicious people first, then we worry about infiltrations in the blues.
If ya'll don't believe, you know what happens in a lot of newb mafia games on TL? Someone is claimed in the thread and the town lynches them because they get paranoid. How often do you see town lynch a blue in a newb game? A lot. Result of these games is mafia wins.
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Foolishness
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On June 15 2010 11:36 meeple wrote:
mmm... on the other note... about who to dt check tonight... perhaps Chez is a better option. redtooth did make that post earlier questioning L... and his inactivity is a common theme in games I've played with him.
Is there anyone who's averse to checking Chez?
I'd rather check flamewheel. He wants to get checked himself and wants to die. He hasn't even posted anything beneficial to the town yet.
Something to note about this: L early game kept making promises about doing analysis and never delivered until right before he died. He pushed for people to contribute to the town without doing so himself. This is awfully a lot like what flamewheel is doing as well. Both players are genuinely active, yet never contributing to the town....and both promise analysis but take days to deliver on it.
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I say stick with flamewheel too. Although his story adds up (he wants to die, says he sacrifices himself to be lynched since he'll be busy with TL article writing soon) it would also be a pretty good move for getting us not to lynch him since he appears townie. Also, I've been in PM contact with chez (as most people have I'd imagine?) and he's responded logically (albeit cryptically in his own way) to most of the things I've brought up via PM. I don't think chez is mafia, but I'm not completely sure obviously.
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Alright... I'm down with a flamewheel check too... the only thing that kept me back was his willingness, but obviously that could be a show.
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Foolishness
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On June 15 2010 11:54 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
I say stick with flamewheel too. Although his story adds up (he wants to die, says he sacrifices himself to be lynched since he'll be busy with TL article writing soon) it would also be a pretty good move for getting us not to lynch him since he appears townie. Also, I've been in PM contact with chez (as most people have I'd imagine?) and he's responded logically (albeit cryptically in his own way) to most of the things I've brought up via PM. I don't think chez is mafia, but I'm not completely sure obviously.
Hey by the way that's usually a tell-tale mafia sign.
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On June 15 2010 11:50 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 11:36 meeple wrote:
mmm... on the other note... about who to dt check tonight... perhaps Chez is a better option. redtooth did make that post earlier questioning L... and his inactivity is a common theme in games I've played with him.
Is there anyone who's averse to checking Chez? I'd rather check flamewheel. He wants to get checked himself and wants to die. He hasn't even posted anything beneficial to the town yet. Something to note about this: L early game kept making promises about doing analysis and never delivered until right before he died. He pushed for people to contribute to the town without doing so himself. This is awfully a lot like what flamewheel is doing as well. Both players are genuinely active, yet never contributing to the town....and both promise analysis but take days to deliver on it.
On June 15 2010 11:59 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 11:54 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
I say stick with flamewheel too. Although his story adds up (he wants to die, says he sacrifices himself to be lynched since he'll be busy with TL article writing soon) it would also be a pretty good move for getting us not to lynch him since he appears townie. Also, I've been in PM contact with chez (as most people have I'd imagine?) and he's responded logically (albeit cryptically in his own way) to most of the things I've brought up via PM. I don't think chez is mafia, but I'm not completely sure obviously. Hey by the way that's usually a tell-tale mafia sign.
Done now, hopefully OSL newspost readers will like it tomorrow. Go ahead, do the check and do the lynching--I don't mind. If I'm useless, you might as well get some use out of my carcass.
And no, I'm not being sarcastic, nor is this a case of reverse psychology.
We'll see the results um...about 70.5 hours from now
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Foolishness
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On June 15 2010 12:34 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 11:50 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 11:36 meeple wrote:
mmm... on the other note... about who to dt check tonight... perhaps Chez is a better option. redtooth did make that post earlier questioning L... and his inactivity is a common theme in games I've played with him.
Is there anyone who's averse to checking Chez? I'd rather check flamewheel. He wants to get checked himself and wants to die. He hasn't even posted anything beneficial to the town yet. Something to note about this: L early game kept making promises about doing analysis and never delivered until right before he died. He pushed for people to contribute to the town without doing so himself. This is awfully a lot like what flamewheel is doing as well. Both players are genuinely active, yet never contributing to the town....and both promise analysis but take days to deliver on it. Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 11:59 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 11:54 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
I say stick with flamewheel too. Although his story adds up (he wants to die, says he sacrifices himself to be lynched since he'll be busy with TL article writing soon) it would also be a pretty good move for getting us not to lynch him since he appears townie. Also, I've been in PM contact with chez (as most people have I'd imagine?) and he's responded logically (albeit cryptically in his own way) to most of the things I've brought up via PM. I don't think chez is mafia, but I'm not completely sure obviously. Hey by the way that's usually a tell-tale mafia sign. Done now, hopefully OSL newspost readers will like it tomorrow. Go ahead, do the check and do the lynching--I don't mind. If I'm useless, you might as well get some use out of my carcass. And no, I'm not being sarcastic, nor is this a case of reverse psychology. We'll see the results um...about 70.5 hours from now
Give us someone better to check then.
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Man sorry for being quite inactive..but i have an huge exam in like 3 hours. I will return active after that
kisses to all
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Sorry guys. Had a meeting with my union rep today in savannah. Getting my job back. Will post some tomorrow morning. Had to celebrate lol...dressed way too nice for the bars lol..
Anyway, sorry guys. Didn't expect this to take as much time as it did.
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On June 15 2010 11:27 MooCow wrote:
What exactly makes you guys trust LuDwig?
His actions protecting L and pushing for L's plans?
His sudden inactivity as soon as L is shot?
His initial reactions from when Chez was fooling around shooting people?
His overall low activity?
Ok i am back.
MooCow it is clear your plan. You want to make me be killed!. Glorious plan.
In fact is quite easy for mafia (expecially now that they are only 2 or 3 if Mafia vigilante) to try to kill the only detective on the road..
And if you are discovered?It is not a problem since you kill the only way of the town to discover mafia. Incredible plan. Really.
I protect L? Where? Quote me please
I push for L plan? Where? Quote me please
My reaction from Chez?which reaction?)
low activity? lol
It is clear that no one of your point makes sense...you are only trying to launch suspects on me...I really need anithing more to say?
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 15 2010 16:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Sorry guys. Had a meeting with my union rep today in savannah. Getting my job back. Will post some tomorrow morning. Had to celebrate lol...dressed way too nice for the bars lol..
Anyway, sorry guys. Didn't expect this to take as much time as it did.
This guy is definitely mafia, lets lynch him
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1. flamewheel
2. ohN[inactive]
3. tree.hugger[dead]
4. Vivi57[inactive]
5. Radfield[townie]
6. Chezinu[mad]
7. citi.zen[he shoot at random and get L. When i asked reasons he said:"it was obvious" really?]
8. Foolishness[i have not clear his position on the game]
9. redtooth[inactive]
10. RebirthOfLeGend[inactive]
11. meeple[good guy]
12. ~OpZ~[dead]
13. L[dead]
14. johnnyspazz
15. LuDwig- [dt]
16. MooCow [i thought he was legit..but he is trying to hard to kill me...without reasons and saying false sentences]
17. AcrossFiveJulys [i think he is blue role. He tried to hard to convince us to not lynch him . Not mafia. I believe he is a good guy
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I missed that vivi obviously and ohn were modkilled/lynched so:
1. flamewheel[he made several good post with the point of the situation. good guy]
2. ohN[dead]
3. tree.hugger[dead]
4. Vivi57[dead]
5. Radfield[townie]
6. Chezinu[mad]
7. citi.zen[he shoot at random and get L. When i asked reasons he said:"it was obvious" really?]
8. Foolishness[i have not clear his position on the game]
9. redtooth[inactive]
10. RebirthOfLeGend[dead]
11. meeple[good guy]
12. ~OpZ~[dead]
13. L[dead]
14. johnnyspazz[inactive]
15. LuDwig- [dt]
16. MooCow [i thought he was legit..but he is trying to hard to kill me...without reasons and saying false sentences]
17. AcrossFiveJulys [i think he is blue role. He tried to hard to convince us to not lynch him . Not mafia. I believe he is a good guy]
So my sospicious list:
MooCow
Chezinu
citi.zen
foolishness
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I think everyone can agreed that citi.zen is innocent.. did you read my analysis? Probably not, because I'm just mad.. I may be crazy, but I do provide some information even if the mods don't believe so..
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On June 15 2010 16:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Sorry guys. Had a meeting with my union rep today in savannah. Getting my job back. Will post some tomorrow morning. Had to celebrate lol...dressed way too nice for the bars lol..
Anyway, sorry guys. Didn't expect this to take as much time as it did.
Actually was away in Savannah with my union rep getting my job back...
Oi...Seriously didn't think it would take that long.....>_<...F uuuuuuuu
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 15 2010 13:33 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2010 12:34 flamewheel wrote:On June 15 2010 11:50 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 11:36 meeple wrote:
mmm... on the other note... about who to dt check tonight... perhaps Chez is a better option. redtooth did make that post earlier questioning L... and his inactivity is a common theme in games I've played with him.
Is there anyone who's averse to checking Chez? I'd rather check flamewheel. He wants to get checked himself and wants to die. He hasn't even posted anything beneficial to the town yet. Something to note about this: L early game kept making promises about doing analysis and never delivered until right before he died. He pushed for people to contribute to the town without doing so himself. This is awfully a lot like what flamewheel is doing as well. Both players are genuinely active, yet never contributing to the town....and both promise analysis but take days to deliver on it. On June 15 2010 11:59 Foolishness wrote:On June 15 2010 11:54 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
I say stick with flamewheel too. Although his story adds up (he wants to die, says he sacrifices himself to be lynched since he'll be busy with TL article writing soon) it would also be a pretty good move for getting us not to lynch him since he appears townie. Also, I've been in PM contact with chez (as most people have I'd imagine?) and he's responded logically (albeit cryptically in his own way) to most of the things I've brought up via PM. I don't think chez is mafia, but I'm not completely sure obviously. Hey by the way that's usually a tell-tale mafia sign. Done now, hopefully OSL newspost readers will like it tomorrow. Go ahead, do the check and do the lynching--I don't mind. If I'm useless, you might as well get some use out of my carcass. And no, I'm not being sarcastic, nor is this a case of reverse psychology. We'll see the results um...about 70.5 hours from now Give us someone better to check then.
Uh...
How am I supposed to make it more clear?
Check me.
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I will ask the vigilante to hit MooCow tonight and we'll lynch Radfield tomorrow.
Good show.
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On June 16 2010 05:26 citi.zen wrote:
I will ask the vigilante to hit MooCow tonight and we'll lynch Radfield tomorrow.
Good show.
What? Are you crazy? ._.
Or do I not get the sarcasm?
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I updated my first post (right after Incog's posts) with the player list.
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Yea I must be REALLY bad at this game for citizen ( if he's town ) to want to kill me.
I'm not even trying to look like mafia and i'm DT but I still come off as mafia!
2 faces -__-;; T__T.
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On June 16 2010 05:54 MooCow wrote:
Yea I must be REALLY bad at this game for citizen ( if he's town ) to want to kill me.
I'm not even trying to look like mafia and i'm DT but I still come off as mafia!
2 faces -__-;; T__T.
Your posts are just mafiaey. Why do you think I went nuts on you last game lol
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Yea I figure and well as you can see from the last game you can probably guess what i'm going to flip right AFJ?
Who do you guys want me to check before I die tonight? Night actions need to be sent in soon.
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On June 16 2010 05:54 MooCow wrote:
Yea I must be REALLY bad at this game for citizen ( if he's town ) to want to kill me.
I'm not even trying to look like mafia and i'm DT but I still come off as mafia!
2 faces -__-;; T__T.
You actually did fine this game. The team strategy wasn't bad either, but it did fail.
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Cool thanks.
Do we have a night action plan? We need to send our requests in soon. If I still live till tomorrow I say we still target someone we are going to 100% lynch tomorrow also.
Let's quickly work on this one. In terms of inactivity and checking through the names
Redtooth stands out. His total posts in this thread since the game started so far is 7
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 16 2010 06:13 MooCow wrote:
Cool thanks.
Do we have a night action plan? We need to send our requests in soon. If I still live till tomorrow I say we still target someone we are going to 100% lynch tomorrow also.
Let's quickly work on this one. In terms of inactivity and checking through the names
Redtooth stands out. His total posts in this thread since the game started so far is 7
Check Flamewheel, as planned. If you really really really want to check Chezinu, that's fine too. But don't check anyone else.
meeple should probably flip a coin to watch one of the DTs. One of them is likely to get roleblocked.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Oh and citizen is bluffing about their being a Vigi. No way the town would be given all these blue roles and killing power.
And even if there was a Vigi, he should very well know the smart thing would be to hit Chezinu or Redtooth or Radfield (not flamewheel cause we're checking him). Once we get rid of the unconfirmed townies we can start worrying about if a DT is actually mafia.
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On June 16 2010 06:37 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 06:13 MooCow wrote:
Cool thanks.
Do we have a night action plan? We need to send our requests in soon. If I still live till tomorrow I say we still target someone we are going to 100% lynch tomorrow also.
Let's quickly work on this one. In terms of inactivity and checking through the names
Redtooth stands out. His total posts in this thread since the game started so far is 7 Check Flamewheel, as planned. If you really really really want to check Chezinu, that's fine too. But don't check anyone else. meeple should probably flip a coin to watch one of the DTs. One of them is likely to get roleblocked.
This doesn't put any pressure on our detectives though -- if one of them is the roleblocker, they won't be required to roleblock who they are checking to cover themselves because Meeple won't be watching.
The best thing to do here is to have both meeple and ludwig check flamewheel and have meeple watch flamewheel. Then, we ask flamewheel if he got role blocked. If meeple gets roleblocked in this situation, it's going to be pretty obvious that one of our detectives if mafia. If one of the detectives gets roleblocked, we will know for sure that one of our detectives if legit and be able to trust him.
MooCow/Ludwig check flamewheel. Meeple watch flamewheel. Hatters/Vig/Medic if you exist do not visit flamewheel.
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[QUOTE]On June 16 2010 07:21 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 16 2010 06:37 Foolishness wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 16 2010 06:13 MooCow wrote:
Cool thanks.
If one of the detectives gets roleblocked, we will know for sure that one of our detectives if legit and be able to trust him.
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And this is because meeple will see detective A visit flamewheel, which detective A has to be legit because the roleblocker used his roleblock on detective B (or detective B didn't do anything if he's mafia).
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Seriously seriously do not follow foolishness's last post because it allows the mafia to fuck with us really bad if indeed one of the detectives is mafia.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 16 2010 07:26 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Seriously seriously do not follow foolishness's last post because it allows the mafia to fuck with us really bad if indeed one of the detectives is mafia.
Except both DTs are clean, so stop being paranoid.
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Either way both of you guys want me to check on Flamewheel.
Checking on Flamewheel for my night action.
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On June 16 2010 07:28 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 07:26 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Seriously seriously do not follow foolishness's last post because it allows the mafia to fuck with us really bad if indeed one of the detectives is mafia. Except both DTs are clean, so stop being paranoid.
Why are you so convinced of this? You really think there is a watcher, a tracker, and 2 detectives in a 17 player game? That seems highly unlikely, so stop being mafia.
Jk about the mafia part. I think.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
And by the way, to whoever said AFJ is innocence because of his PM convo with L: if you think it's probable MooCow has been lying about being mafia for the past week, who's to say the mafia didn't whip up a PM conversation with L and AFJ?
It's a lot easier to put together a PM convo then stage a mafia being DT.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 16 2010 07:33 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 07:28 Foolishness wrote:On June 16 2010 07:26 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Seriously seriously do not follow foolishness's last post because it allows the mafia to fuck with us really bad if indeed one of the detectives is mafia. Except both DTs are clean, so stop being paranoid. Why are you so convinced of this? You really think there is a watcher, a tracker, and 2 detectives in a 17 player game? That seems highly unlikely, so stop being mafia. Jk about the mafia part. I think.
It's his second game of mafia you think he'd lie about being DT? I also have inside information about the DT situation which you don't.
And yes, you are JK about the mafia part. I'm going to die tonight so you'll see for sure in a few hours.
If you have sense in you, you should realize that taking potshots at the DTs because you are soooooo sure they are mafia is not the smart move. The smart move would be to hit among the unconfirmed people first (flamewheel, Chez, redtooth, Radfield), then worry about a DT infiltration. Even if there is a DT infiltration, you hitting the unconfirmed townies is sure to kill one mafia.
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On June 16 2010 07:34 Foolishness wrote:
And by the way, to whoever said AFJ is innocence because of his PM convo with L: if you think it's probable MooCow has been lying about being mafia for the past week, who's to say the mafia didn't whip up a PM conversation with L and AFJ?
It's a lot easier to put together a PM convo then stage a mafia being DT.
You, citi.zen, and I are somewhat trusted at this point, so for now can we work together rather than bantering with each other? I could start pointing out reasons I'm suspicious of you, but you aren't the top of my list, and if I'm at the top of your list, you should consider never playing mafia again if you are town :O
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On June 16 2010 07:40 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 07:33 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 16 2010 07:28 Foolishness wrote:On June 16 2010 07:26 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Seriously seriously do not follow foolishness's last post because it allows the mafia to fuck with us really bad if indeed one of the detectives is mafia. Except both DTs are clean, so stop being paranoid. Why are you so convinced of this? You really think there is a watcher, a tracker, and 2 detectives in a 17 player game? That seems highly unlikely, so stop being mafia. Jk about the mafia part. I think. It's his second game of mafia you think he'd lie about being DT? I also have inside information about the DT situation which you don't. And yes, you are JK about the mafia part. I'm going to die tonight so you'll see for sure in a few hours. If you have sense in you, you should realize that taking potshots at the DTs because you are soooooo sure they are mafia is not the smart move. The smart move would be to hit among the unconfirmed people first (flamewheel, Chez, redtooth, Radfield), then worry about a DT infiltration. Even if there is a DT infiltration, you hitting the unconfirmed townies is sure to kill one mafia.
Bullshit. Forget what I just said about not bantering with you. You just shot up about 6 spots on my list. What insider information could you possibly have that would make you sure that both detectives are legit? I'll answer that for you: it's impossible at this point in the game unless you consider PM conversations with people sufficient evidence with would be retarded.
Medic, in case you are tempted, do NOT protect foolishness tonight (he's implying that he wants to be protected by saying he's going to die tonight).
You know, L pulled this same trick when he started spouting off bullshit that lynching you is a good idea if I turn up red... he said he had inside information in that PM conversation I had with him and refused to reveal anything about it. It would be exactly an L kind of thing to do to say something like that to make us less suspicious that you're mafia...
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 16 2010 07:41 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 07:34 Foolishness wrote:
And by the way, to whoever said AFJ is innocence because of his PM convo with L: if you think it's probable MooCow has been lying about being mafia for the past week, who's to say the mafia didn't whip up a PM conversation with L and AFJ?
It's a lot easier to put together a PM convo then stage a mafia being DT. You, citi.zen, and I are somewhat trusted at this point, so for now can we work together rather than bantering with each other? I could start pointing out reasons I'm suspicious of you, but you aren't the top of my list, and if I'm at the top of your list, you should consider never playing mafia again if you are town :O
Where did I say you were mafia or that I thought you were mafia?
I mean, if you guys start killing DTs and lose the game or only barely come out victorious, everything I'm saying right now is going to be like "well shit why didn't we listen to this guy". If you guys say MooCow is mafia, I'm going to say it's equally as likely AFJ is mafia, and that's because it is equally as likely. Don't shoot claimed blues where there are inactive townies to kill, that's how mafia win games. Everyone here has played before and should know this fact.
Right now, it isn't even about trying to perfectly narrow down the last two mafia, it's about doing what's smart. The town is in a great situation right now. If flamewheel, Chezinu, and redtooth all died, that's at least one mafia dead (very highly likely). We start killing them the rest will talk and we can figure out things from there.
You guys take potshots and DT's and miss, then mafia actually has a chance to win. And they probably will win since you'll shoot the other DT if the first one isn't mafia I'm sure. I'm trying to make people realize that right now it doesn't matter if MooCow is mafia or not because we can't kill him for another day or two. And I'm going to be dead in a few hours that's why I'm trying to get this out now.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
So first I say I'm going to die tonight. Then I say I have insider information on things.
You then tell the medic not to protect me. Do you see the irony in this yet?
Have you put two and two together yet or should I just claim in the thread for ya?
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On June 16 2010 07:50 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 07:41 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 16 2010 07:34 Foolishness wrote:
And by the way, to whoever said AFJ is innocence because of his PM convo with L: if you think it's probable MooCow has been lying about being mafia for the past week, who's to say the mafia didn't whip up a PM conversation with L and AFJ?
It's a lot easier to put together a PM convo then stage a mafia being DT. You, citi.zen, and I are somewhat trusted at this point, so for now can we work together rather than bantering with each other? I could start pointing out reasons I'm suspicious of you, but you aren't the top of my list, and if I'm at the top of your list, you should consider never playing mafia again if you are town :O Where did I say you were mafia or that I thought you were mafia? I mean, if you guys start killing DTs and lose the game or only barely come out victorious, everything I'm saying right now is going to be like "well shit why didn't we listen to this guy". If you guys say MooCow is mafia, I'm going to say it's equally as likely AFJ is mafia, and that's because it is equally as likely. Don't shoot claimed blues where there are inactive townies to kill, that's how mafia win games. Everyone here has played before and should know this fact. No one is saying that we are going to start killing detectives. All we are doing is trying to narrow down their alignments and their trustworthyness through logic. There will be no lynching of detectives unless we are desperate at the end or if there is sufficient evidence to make it 100% that they are mafia. Why are you so reluctant to try to narrow down their trustworthyness, pal? And no, you aren't going to be the one who dies tonight, it's going to be me because I'm one of the few talking sense in this god damn town and the mafia probably thinks I have a blue role (SHOOT ME IM THE MEDIC).
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 16 2010 07:55 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 07:50 Foolishness wrote:On June 16 2010 07:41 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 16 2010 07:34 Foolishness wrote:
And by the way, to whoever said AFJ is innocence because of his PM convo with L: if you think it's probable MooCow has been lying about being mafia for the past week, who's to say the mafia didn't whip up a PM conversation with L and AFJ?
It's a lot easier to put together a PM convo then stage a mafia being DT. You, citi.zen, and I are somewhat trusted at this point, so for now can we work together rather than bantering with each other? I could start pointing out reasons I'm suspicious of you, but you aren't the top of my list, and if I'm at the top of your list, you should consider never playing mafia again if you are town :O Where did I say you were mafia or that I thought you were mafia? I mean, if you guys start killing DTs and lose the game or only barely come out victorious, everything I'm saying right now is going to be like "well shit why didn't we listen to this guy". If you guys say MooCow is mafia, I'm going to say it's equally as likely AFJ is mafia, and that's because it is equally as likely. Don't shoot claimed blues where there are inactive townies to kill, that's how mafia win games. Everyone here has played before and should know this fact. No one is saying that we are going to start killing detectives. All we are doing is trying to narrow down their alignments and their trustworthyness through logic. There will be no lynching of detectives unless we are desperate at the end or if there is sufficient evidence to make it 100% that they are mafia. Why are you so reluctant to try to narrow down their trustworthyness, pal? And no, you aren't going to be the one who dies tonight, it's going to be me because I'm one of the few talking sense in this god damn town and the mafia probably thinks I have a blue role (SHOOT ME IM THE MEDIC).
Okay, citizen says he's shooting MooCow tonight. Anyone who's not meeple or me thinks MooCow is mafia apparently.
You see, I'm the one that wants to narrow down their alignments, that's why I'm saying inspect flamewheel, we kill him tomorrow regardless of results. That's figuring out their alignment
On the other hand, citizen is over here saying HEY GUYS IM SHOOTING MOOCOW THERES NO WAI I CAN BE WRONG IM ALWAYS RIGHT!!!
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On June 16 2010 07:50 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 07:41 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 16 2010 07:34 Foolishness wrote:
And by the way, to whoever said AFJ is innocence because of his PM convo with L: if you think it's probable MooCow has been lying about being mafia for the past week, who's to say the mafia didn't whip up a PM conversation with L and AFJ?
It's a lot easier to put together a PM convo then stage a mafia being DT. You, citi.zen, and I are somewhat trusted at this point, so for now can we work together rather than bantering with each other? I could start pointing out reasons I'm suspicious of you, but you aren't the top of my list, and if I'm at the top of your list, you should consider never playing mafia again if you are town :O Where did I say you were mafia or that I thought you were mafia? I mean, if you guys start killing DTs and lose the game or only barely come out victorious, everything I'm saying right now is going to be like "well shit why didn't we listen to this guy". If you guys say MooCow is mafia, I'm going to say it's equally as likely AFJ is mafia, and that's because it is equally as likely. Don't shoot claimed blues where there are inactive townies to kill, that's how mafia win games. Everyone here has played before and should know this fact.
No one is saying that we are going to start killing detectives. All we are doing is trying to narrow down their alignments and their trustworthyness through logic. There will be no lynching of detectives unless we are desperate at the end or if there is sufficient evidence to make it 100% that they are mafia. Why are you so reluctant to try to narrow down their trustworthyness, pal?
And no, you aren't going to be the one who dies tonight, it's going to be me because I'm one of the few talking sense in this god damn town and the mafia probably thinks I have a blue role (SHOOT ME IM THE MEDIC).
And uh... I don't believe for a second that you are the medic. Your "insider" information at best is that you've been talking to meeple. Sweet, meeple is clean. I already knew that. But how could you possibly know that both detectives are legit? You can't.
If you are the medic, and somehow the mafia knows this and are going to kill you tonight, how could they have possibly obtained that information? Did you role claim to one of them? If so you better godamn PM me with everyone you role claimed to before the night is over and your death will have been worth it. If you are not in private contact with someone you know to be mafia, why would you risk it and role claim medic NOW?
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On June 16 2010 07:58 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 07:55 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 16 2010 07:50 Foolishness wrote:On June 16 2010 07:41 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 16 2010 07:34 Foolishness wrote:
And by the way, to whoever said AFJ is innocence because of his PM convo with L: if you think it's probable MooCow has been lying about being mafia for the past week, who's to say the mafia didn't whip up a PM conversation with L and AFJ?
It's a lot easier to put together a PM convo then stage a mafia being DT. You, citi.zen, and I are somewhat trusted at this point, so for now can we work together rather than bantering with each other? I could start pointing out reasons I'm suspicious of you, but you aren't the top of my list, and if I'm at the top of your list, you should consider never playing mafia again if you are town :O Where did I say you were mafia or that I thought you were mafia? I mean, if you guys start killing DTs and lose the game or only barely come out victorious, everything I'm saying right now is going to be like "well shit why didn't we listen to this guy". If you guys say MooCow is mafia, I'm going to say it's equally as likely AFJ is mafia, and that's because it is equally as likely. Don't shoot claimed blues where there are inactive townies to kill, that's how mafia win games. Everyone here has played before and should know this fact. No one is saying that we are going to start killing detectives. All we are doing is trying to narrow down their alignments and their trustworthyness through logic. There will be no lynching of detectives unless we are desperate at the end or if there is sufficient evidence to make it 100% that they are mafia. Why are you so reluctant to try to narrow down their trustworthyness, pal? And no, you aren't going to be the one who dies tonight, it's going to be me because I'm one of the few talking sense in this god damn town and the mafia probably thinks I have a blue role (SHOOT ME IM THE MEDIC). Okay, citizen says he's shooting MooCow tonight. Anyone who's not meeple or me thinks MooCow is mafia apparently. You see, I'm the one that wants to narrow down their alignments, that's why I'm saying inspect flamewheel, we kill him tomorrow regardless of results. That's figuring out their alignment On the other hand, citizen is over here saying HEY GUYS IM SHOOTING MOOCOW THERES NO WAI I CAN BE WRONG IM ALWAYS RIGHT!!!
Yea citi.zen has done a terrible job in this game. OH WAIT HE KILLED THE GODFATHER. and WAIT HE ONLY HAD 1 SHOT HOW THE FUCK IS HE GOING TO KILL MOOCOW TONIGHT?
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Wow it's really kicking off now!
Let's all go mental let's all go mental! ( Useless post )
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On June 16 2010 08:02 MooCow wrote:Wow it's really kicking off now! Let's all go mental let's all go mental! ( Useless post )
WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!! THE MAD HATTER IS GOING TO EXPLODE!!!
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I love how I shot up to being number two most likely without a single piece of evidence . Citizen, we've been PMing back and forth but we might as well get this out in the open. Obviously something I said made you think I was mafia, and it's likely the fact that I was saying it's a bad idea to use the vig shot on moocow.
By using the vig shot tonight it means that we lose an entire night and day cycle. Instead of a lynch or lose situation on day 5, it becomes a lynch or lose on day 4. That means we lose a night of medic protection, dt checks, and watchering. Does this at least enter into the decision making process of the night vig shot?
I realize you feel quite sure that moocow is mafia, and frankly I think him most likely of our blue claimers to be mafia, and one of the most likely left in the game. Check the thread, I've said it before. But that doesn't mean he should be the first to go. We have other good targets.
If you doubt my alignment, at least check with ludwig and meeple. They are our most townie players in my mind, and I've been part of a mini town circle with them since the beginning of the game.
Anyways, if you think me scummy, at least drop a shred of evidence my way.
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On June 16 2010 08:10 Radfield wrote:
I love how I shot up to being number two most likely without a single piece of evidence . Citizen, we've been PMing back and forth but we might as well get this out in the open. Obviously something I said made you think I was mafia, and it's likely the fact that I was saying it's a bad idea to use the vig shot on moocow.
By using the vig shot tonight it means that we lose an entire night and day cycle. Instead of a lynch or lose situation on day 5, it becomes a lynch or lose on day 4. That means we lose a night of medic protection, dt checks, and watchering. Does this at least enter into the decision making process of the night vig shot?
I realize you feel quite sure that moocow is mafia, and frankly I think him most likely of our blue claimers to be mafia, and one of the most likely left in the game. Check the thread, I've said it before. But that doesn't mean he should be the first to go. We have other good targets.
If you doubt my alignment, at least check with ludwig and meeple. They are our most townie players in my mind, and I've been part of a mini town circle with them since the beginning of the game.
Anyways, if you think me scummy, at least drop a shred of evidence my way.
I agree with radfield that shooting moocow tonight would be hasty. Frankly I suspect ludwig much more than moocow. Let's use the night actions to help narrow down which of them is the bad guy rather than risk wasting our good detective.
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Radfield
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Meeple, Ludwig, Citizen, Foolishness and AFJ seem likely to be town at this point. Seems like Foolishness is claiming one of vig or medic, which means we still have one blue among these 5
(assuming AFJ is green)
Radfield
Flamewheel
Moocow
Redtooth
Chezinu
Flamewheel and moocow are going to die soon, which leaves us with redtooth, chez and myself. Presumably one of chez or redtooth are the vig(or medic) so the other one is the last mafia. This of course hinges on whether or not people believe I am a townie. I imagine people at the center of the town circle have all this info though, which means we should have this game in the bag unless citizen or AFJ have duped us. Thoughts? Corrections?
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Well the thing is only you trust meeple and LuDwig a lot because you are in a mini circle.
I'm sure most of the people would trust citizen and AFJ a lot more than the others.
My trust list would be AFJ and citizen.
My suspicious list
Meeple
LuDwig ( not very suspicious of him but wary )
Redtooth ( he's so inactive 7 posts in the game so far )
Radfield
Flamewheel
I'm not sure of Chez so far but let's not kill him and keep him for the lols~
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Radfield is a good player making too many mistakes in this game. Also, he is posting too many weak, general strategy ideas (but very little about L's initial plan) and very little pointed player analysis. His lists of suspects are consistently horrendous. He also thinks we should spend more days figuring out the DT sanity - even though we can't due to the naive possibility + the fact that one of the DTs lied and will continue to confuse us (read MooCow). Radfield's first list of suspects:
On June 14 2010 01:17 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 23:29 LuDwig- wrote:
I think that we need to put some fixed point in the game. We really don't know nothing for sure. We only know that two people claimed DTs, that they told us they rolechecked and that AFJ is green.
Are they sane, insane, naive?
The only way to know it (or at least starting to make thnigs more clear)is lynch AFJ ..
I also thought on lynching MooCow...because i really don't believe him...If it turs out red it would be a great move..but if he is a DT for real? That would be a huge loss for the team that can make us loose the game.
We can lynch another people at random..but then..why simply don't lynch you?
I think lynching moocow right now is premature. If he's telling the truth then we hurt ourselves doubly: the loss of a town aligned player, and giving the mafia less blue targets to shoot at. I realize that by focusing on AFJ today we're kind of giving the less active players a pass. But we can focus on them tomorrow. I'd like to know the opinions on whom we should lynch from these people: Vivi57 citi.zen Foolishness redtooth RebirthOfLeGend I'd like to hear everyone else's opinion as well, but these 5 are a bit on the inactive side.
Pretty weak for someone who is good at this game, but it happens. What's worse is his most recent post of suspects:
On June 15 2010 11:17 Radfield wrote:
I agree 100% with foolishness. By having our dt's check the same person, and then subsequently killing that person, we should be able to get very close to figuring out the sanities. I also think that the results should not be made public, and should be pm'ed to two people before having the results released.
My absence is due to exceeding our bandwidth limit and basically getting cut off for 24 hrs. Our speed drops to almost zero, and sometimes doesn't work at all.
These are our remaining players
Claimed Blue
Meeple
Ludwig
Moocow
Not very suspicious at the moment
Foolishness
Citizen
AcrossFiveJulys
Mildly Suspicious
Chezinu
Flamewheel
Redtooth
People can slot me in wherever they think I belong. Personally I find moocow to be more suspicious then ludwig, but I think it possible that both are legit dt's. Very likely one is naive if that's the case. It's still premature to start offing the blues though.
Despite the fact we have 2 mafia down, losing 3 greens today seriously hurts us. Day 5 is lynch or lose at this point, assuming no medic saves or vets.
Personally I find redtooth the most suspicious of those three, Chez second, Flamewheel third.
Note the odd organization, then read the translation: don't touch blues (hi Moocow!); suspect everyone, even confirmed townies; and lynch... Chez, Flamewheel or RedTooth. Yet in a PM he sent me after this forum post he still advocated lynching... A5J.
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Original Message:
Your probably right, I'm just having a difficult time shaking the thought that he's mafia.
Also, I've been kind of assuming that we have either an insane or a naive dt. Because otherwise town would be a bit overpowered at this point. I do think it's valuble to determine the sanity, but given that we're running out of time, I doubt we'll be able to do much with our dt('s) anyways.
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Original Message:
On A5J - do you really think his PM with L is staged? And their thread conversations? I've never seen a mafia team put that much effort into a risky strategy like that.
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Original Message:
Honestly, if I could take anyone out with a night vig shot it would be AFJ. I'm still moderately skeptical of his posting, as well as the whole roleblocker thing. It also helps us determine alignment of the dt's.
Taking out moocow still seems a bit premature, but I'm alright with it if you go for it. I imagine we'll need to eliminate him as some point anyways.
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Original Message:
You're right, he seems very sketchy. I have a night vigilante I am talking to. I will ask them to take MooCow out tonight.
Thanks!
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Original Message:
I'm a townie.
I don't particularly trust moocow. I DO trust both ludwig and meeple.
Don't tell moocow anything more than he needs to know.
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Original Message:
Please let me know what you think of MooCow.
An honest list of suspects looks like this:
Confirmed townies:
Myself.
Foolishness.
Meeple.
A5J.
Browns:
Chez.
Flamewheel.
Others:
Radfield
MooCow
RedTooth
Ludwig-
Radfield wants RedTooth dead. Ludwig- seems Ok. Leaving... Radfield and MooCow.
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Can't believe he asked you to get ME shot, wow... yeah, radfield is either very dumb or very mafia. Btw, the last person I said that about was L in my PM conversation with him.
Though citizen, I really would swap your suspicion of moocow with Ludwig.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
At least I know your reasoning now.
I still agree with leaving the blues for now, it's premature to kill them off.
I did not advocate lynching AFJ, I advocated vigging him. There is a subtle difference there. The reason I advocated vigging him is because we wouldn't be able to get a lynch going on him given that most people think he is town aligned. I am still mildly suspicious, and he does lead us towards our dt's sanities, which is a good thing.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 16 2010 08:42 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Can't believe he asked you to get ME shot, wow... yeah, radfield is either very dumb or very mafia. Btw, the last person I said that about was L in my PM conversation with him.
Though citizen, I really would swap your suspicion of moocow with Ludwig.
The fact of the matter is, you had and have a lot of scummy stuff going for you.
However, if you asked me right now if you're town or not, I'd probably say you're town. I tried hard to get you lynched, and surely you understand that I'm still hoping you're mafia, because it makes me right. Unfortunately I was probably wrong about you. The part Citizen didn't post was that first and foremost I advocated not vigging anyone.
What can I say though, you've been on my mind this game, and none of the other targets have really done much at all to warrant attention.
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Don't worry radfield, citizen was probably just bluffing about being in contact with a vigi.
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On June 16 2010 08:57 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Don't worry radfield, citizen was probably just bluffing about being in contact with a vigi. + Show Spoiler +
Yeah... it's probably just a joke...
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Look, Radfield is red. If meeple and Foolish trust him, so much the worse.
I am going to stop, so I don't "dominate the debate" and other people can slowly figure this out too. Or not. Either way I did my part.
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It's not Radfield's fault he's making so many mistakes citi.zen, he's not used to playing late game mafia. =P
That's like, saying that Kwanro threw a match because he used ultras late game vs. mech. =D
Can we like, not analyze my comments? >.< I would've posted this regardless of whether Radfield was town or mafia. It was just a poke fun at him never getting to late game. I will stop now to stop the confusion, sorry. :<
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 16 2010 09:40 citi.zen wrote:
Look, Radfield is red. If meeple and Foolish trust him, so much the worse.
I am going to stop, so I don't "dominate the debate" and other people can slowly figure this out too. Or not. Either way I did my part.
As long as flamewheel dies today I got no qualms.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 16 2010 09:40 citi.zen wrote:
Look, Radfield is red. If meeple and Foolish trust him, so much the worse.
I am going to stop, so I don't "dominate the debate" and other people can slowly figure this out too. Or not. Either way I did my part.
ugh
The worst part is that when you find out I'm green, you're still going to think you're justified here.
Basically you're entire case against me is that I'm saying not to use the vig hit on moocow tonight, and that I thought AFJ was somewhat suspicious. I've been very clear about my actions this game, and as far as I can tell, it's only you and AFJ that find me suspicious.
There are a few ways in mafia to be sure of something. I'm 100% sure that you have none of those on me.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Guys, I just got a PM. I was roleblocked during the night.
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Day 3
The thunderstorm passed and the sky cleared as dawn broke.
The citizens clustered around the town hall, wanting to know who was the unfortunate victim of the mafia last night. Slowly, everyone gathered around. citi.zen did a head count... there were 10 people there.
Everyone breathed a sigh of relief... and then resumed their angry accusations at each other once more. =P
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Hmmmmm? Very sneaky move by the mafia? Or all the mafia is afk lol.
I got my PM for Flamewheel. How do you guys want to do this?
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On June 16 2010 10:15 flamewheel wrote:
Guys, I just got a PM. I was roleblocked during the night.
HAHA
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btw whoever took a hit posting immediately
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 16 2010 10:19 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
MooCow PM me and citizen
and meeple please
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Medic save or Mafia doesn't use KP? The second seems unlikely. If the medic saved, then there should be two PMs sent out now.
As for Detectives: you have the checks right? Choose a set time to release them (so there's no potential copying) and do so. Lynch me today if you want to check that.
Of course, like I said I was roleblocked so the possibility of a Detective being a Mafia roleblocker still exists.
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On June 16 2010 10:20 Foolishness wrote:and meeple please
Meeple is not confirmed but only likely town -- there are plenty of mafia plots that could involve meeple right now and I don't want to give mafia any unnecessary opportunities. Only PM me and citizen.
Foolishness there is no way both me and ciziten are mafia -_-
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
This just in: Korynne forgets to send out the protected notifications to the saved and the "you have saved somebody!" to the Medic.
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Radfield
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On June 16 2010 10:21 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 10:20 Foolishness wrote:On June 16 2010 10:19 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
MooCow PM me and citizen and meeple please Meeple is not confirmed but only likely town -- there are plenty of mafia plots that could involve meeple right now and I don't want to give mafia any unnecessary opportunities. Only PM me and citizen. Foolishness there is no way both me and ciziten are mafia -_-
Yeah, someone else getting roleblocked basically clears AFJ completely. Either way, as long as two people get the results it's fine, because you can't have one of the dts and both citizen and AFJ as mafia. So the results will come back unaltered.
Option A, the medic saved someone. Quite likely. Mafia are backed into a corner and went for another prominent blue.
Option B, we have a vet. Very Very unlikely
Option C, the mafia opted not to use there kill because they were worried about the watcher. The only reason I could see this happening is if the mafia are among people who are quite confirmed as townies, and didn't see any reason to risk it. ie, they think they are unlynchable. This seems fairly unlikely.
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This is going to get very, very interesting when we hear back about who got hit and what meeple saw.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 16 2010 10:33 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
This is going to get very, very interesting when we hear back about who got hit and what meeple saw.
No matter what happens, we just bought ourselves a ton of time
Start Day 3 8v2
Start Day 4 6v2
Start Day 5 4v2
we have three days to hit 1 mafia, which would buy us an extra day to hit the second mafia. Very good news.
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Bahaha... alright well... so... I have a story to tell... but I'm going to wait to tell it just to keep you guys in suspense. The end result is good though... there was a mafia found last night...
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 16 2010 11:05 meeple wrote:
Bahaha... alright well... so... I have a story to tell... but I'm going to wait to tell it just to keep you guys in suspense. The end result is good though... there was a mafia found last night...
Seriously you guys are about to shit your pants
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Oh good, waiting in suspense then.
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On June 16 2010 11:05 meeple wrote:
Bahaha... alright well... so... I have a story to tell... but I'm going to wait to tell it just to keep you guys in suspense. The end result is good though... there was a mafia found last night...
well according to what we asked you to do, you should have witnessed the role blocker blocking flamewheel.
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On June 16 2010 11:08 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 11:05 meeple wrote:
Bahaha... alright well... so... I have a story to tell... but I'm going to wait to tell it just to keep you guys in suspense. The end result is good though... there was a mafia found last night... Seriously you guys are about to shit your pants
Too late! 
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
I'll leave this up to the confirmed townies, but should MooCow/Ludwig reveal their results right now? I don't think there's much point in keeping it (although correct me if I'm wrong).
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I'm still waiting on a response from citizen. I'm sure he'll be back soon.
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Also ludwig hasn't PM'd me yet.
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Alright so... first things first... I'm the medic... The mafia knows it by know and so should the town. Obviously I claimed watcher because there was a shitload of greens and it was simply more believable.
I had been in PM contact with Ludwig a little and later claimed medic to him since he had defended me in the thread... through him I also had PM contact with Radfield, who also knew me as the medic (through Ludwig... not my decision to tell him)
Now... not too long after I claimed to be watcher and had "found" the medic, Foolishness PMs me wondering why I hadn't contacted him yet and claims watcher and tells me (to prove that he's a watcher) that tree.hugger also visited Ludwig last night. Of course, I couldn't have known that, but regardless I was just so fucking elated that we had a medic/watcher pair, since now we can coordinate.
Things proceed, now with me thinking I had a solid base with a watcher by my side... until I get a PM from L, asking me if Foolishness is the medic... I respond somewhat vaguely, but give him a strong indication that Foolishness is indeed the medic... knowing that if they went after him I could always protect him. Then L flips Godfather and the shit hits the fan and I knew that L would've told the rest of the reds to go after Foolishness. So tonight we schemed... I protected Foolishness, and he watched himself to see who hit him.
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The same friggin dude that I had supported and backed like a moron...
Anyways... we lynch him today and we're down to 1 red...
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Aww wtf that's not shocking! AFJ and I had that wrapped up!
I thought you were going to come and say AFJ or something is mafia then I would of shat my pants.
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Ahah.. yeah its probably not so much pants-shittingly shocking to anyone but me... since there were people who distrusted the dude. But still... cmon he's not so high on everyone's hitlists
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You guys did do a sexy scooby doo scheme to catch him!
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Aha! I knew it! And he role blocked flamewheel in case the watcher ended up watching flamewheel.
Man it's ironic that ludwig didn't just role block you meeple. If they thought you were watcher, that would have them covered, and also would have been favorable now that you turned out to be the medic. But for some reason they decided you definitely weren't the watcher and that the real watcher would be watching flamewheel so they had to role block flamewheel anyway...
Jesus. This is really lucky for the town.
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Obviously if this is all made up and ludwig flips green, we lynch meeple the next day and get a mafioso anyway.
and I can't believe they took the bait you gave them foolishness with that last argument. Just for the record I PM'd foolishness after that argument saying that I know he was trying to draw a hit! But I thought he was a mad hatter.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
meeple, Foolishness, sexy. Hooray for being roleblocked without a power! /o/
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On June 16 2010 11:43 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Obviously if this is all made up and ludwig flips green, we lynch meeple the next day and get a mafioso anyway.
and I can't believe they took the bait you gave them foolishness with that last argument. Just for the record I PM'd foolishness after that argument saying that I know he was trying to draw a hit! But I thought he was a mad hatter.
I don't think there are any mad hatters... or if they exist they're friggin well hidden.
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Excellent job - makes today's lynching easy.
BTW: there is no vigilante, the MooCow "hit" was a bluff. Some of you already knew this.
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Citizen and I both received that flamewheel is town. This means that moocow is either sane or naive assuming I'm town.
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On June 16 2010 12:33 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Citizen and I both received that flamewheel is town. This means that moocow is either sane or naive assuming I'm town.
Hopefully he's sane... if he really wants to check he can just rolecheck me... but I'm not sure how much longer this game can last...
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O another reason why I kept piping up saying why DT's are kinda useless is because we don't role check we can only find out the alignment of a person. Town/mafia
And we are either sane insane paranoid naive
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On June 16 2010 12:44 MooCow wrote:
O another reason why I kept piping up saying why DT's are kinda useless is because we don't role check we can only find out the alignment of a person. Town/mafia
And we are either sane insane paranoid naive
Ahhhh... well... that makes things more difficult... I missed that when skimming the rules...
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Most likely naive, given that we have a Tracker-Watcher pair, which is an interesting twist I suppose.
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The naive trait makes them useless in my book. In fact, they DTs are more useful for the mafia to control the flow of the game for days on end - look at the enormities Caller was able to claim a few games ago and still have people convinced he was telling the truth.
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Just wake up. Checked radfield. Result: Green.
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On June 16 2010 13:41 LuDwig- wrote:
Just wake up. Checked radfield. Result: Green.
ROFL.
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huh... not even giving a response eh?
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He just woke up & hasn't caught up yet.
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On June 16 2010 14:35 citi.zen wrote:
He just woke up & hasn't caught up yet.
That was an hour ago... no?
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Just to clarify some things for those who are overly paranoid:
1) First night I watched Ludwig, and I got back that he was visited by tree.hugger and meeple. This subsequently rules out meeple as mafia since Ludwig did not die, and since Ludwig was not roleblocked (in some wacky scenario where he's town and meeple's mafia, I'm pretty sure Ludwig would have claimed in thread. That plus AFJ claimed to be medic) meeple must be clean. So this rules out the possibility that meeple's medic.
2) The only other person that has known about our true identities is Radfield. I'm not sure exactly how he found out meeple was the medic, so meeple can probably clarify if necessary. This makes Radfield very likely to be clean, as he wouldn't have ordered the hit on me since he knew I wasn't medic. Yes, it's possible that he did this to gain trust but I find that highly unlikely, especially since we have 3 lynches to find the remaining mafia. In the end he'll probably slip somewhere and lose.
For the remaining days I suggest we take the following course of action. Let's hope for the best and assume our DT is not naive, nor mafia. DT will check redtooth and we lynch Chezinu tomorrow (obviously if the result of the check is mafia we kill that person). Next night DT checks Radfield should he be alive and if there's no mafia result, then we decide among the remaining townspeople who to kill (*cough* flamewheel *cough*).
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
And well, I guess the only other option is that both meeple and I are mafia. But obviously when Ludwig turns up red that won't be possible.
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Oh, i am at school pc now T.T
Well i suppose i can say tons of things..but they are really hard to believe :|
So i had to kidnap this panda:
![[image loading]](http://iremembersnorks.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/pandas75za.jpg)
If you try to lynch me today i will kill him!
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On June 16 2010 15:45 LuDwig- wrote:Oh, i am at school pc now T.T Well i suppose i can say tons of things..but they are really hard to believe :| So i had to kidnap this panda: If you try to lynch me today i will kill him!
Oh Noes! We must save the panda! But how? We need to organize... I got it!
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Chezinu for Mayor!
Hey guys! In order to save the panda and lead this town in an era without Mafia, I would like to run for Mayor! I think I’m about ready to take up the position. So why should you vote me for Mayor? I have experience. I have played this game since way back when in the days of Ace the Mayor of Old in the Second World. I even witness the Death of the Great Ace in the Third World. So what does one gain from having played so long ago? I can use my knowledge of Ace to lead like him! I also learn how to die honorably as Ace the Martyr! But the Second and Third World are not the only places I’ve been… There I was only a witness and a pawn. I have played in Plexa’s World. When things were tough and it seemed that the ruler of the world keep aiding the town, as the Mafia Godfather I continued to write down the hitlist to give to the ruler of the world himself in faith that those people would die! Of course, We the GOSU mafia triumph, but it was not me alone that won the game! He worked as a team, We Communicated! Some of our Brave Members sacrifice themselves for the greater good! Communication and Sacrifice I have practiced in Plexa’s World after following The Great Ace example! But My adventures did not end there! I entered Caller’s World, as a Red Detective! Here, I left forsook my Father Ace’s instructions and disguised myself as a rebel! Through this I discovered two other rebels.. I talked to Ace that game about what he would do if I were a rebel… He chose to forgive me… However, not all of my allies were as forgiving… I went out in a bang that game by one of my own… I’m just glad that I was able to take the two rebels I associated were taken down with me.. But the story doesn’t end with the Bang, it keeps going! Worlds later I found myself in Incog’s World.. The world was quite small… I was told it was a remake of a previous world that Incog had made… In this world, Something dramatic happened to me… My eyes were opened. I no longer thought in terms of red and green, hating anything that did not fit in these categories.. For finally for the first time blue… I was completely transformed and forsook the brown for the first time… The power of the blue overpowered me. I rolechecked and advocated the death of two mafia members in two days! I also witness the death of Ace… Though his blood did not appear to be on my hands, in secret I PMed the vig that game to kill Ace… I was finally done with the brown and came to realize that I was just a pawn to him… From this world forth, I learned that I could tell the truth and still win the game. I forsook the brown.. so I thought I should I forsake the Crazy? I enter Caller’s world once more.. This time things were different… there were no votes.. I was like, I shall be Sane! I told the truth about my role from the beginning. I was going to be a town hero and fight the all that opposed! Then a townie who lack faith in me because he did not forgive my brownness that I once had and thought I was the same person.. I was shot and it was over before it began.. I learn then for the first time what it felt like to die and to die young… It was painful… so painful that I was stuck in between worlds… I didn’t want to enter another world for the fear of the pain it may bring… Here I learned what it must have felt like for souls such as Fishball and Radfield.. My brownness would have killed these people just to leave another day.. I eventually built up the courage to enter another world.. The world I enter was Incog’s World and it was much like the previous world I was in… In this world I saw pass the argument and I no longer feared death.. I played…played.. I enjoyed the moment and adventure… I was able to see pass the arguments.. I question the Mafia who were trying to stereotype town into two sides.. I supported a fellow townie even though he made a few mistakes and try to convince town that he was truly innocent.. However, I did not go unnoticed… I was shot… Once again I moved on to another world, this time I came into this very world… I have a confession to make… I was going back to my brownish ways… I’m sorry… From this moment forward, I will work hard not to be as brown as I have been… That is why I’m running for Mayor… It is time that I take an active position against that which I once was...Brown No longer! Brown No Longer! Brown No Longer! Let us build a new town on this principle! Let put an end to the temptations that turn us into the Reds! Let us not venture remotely close to the red! Those who are Brown Come Back to the Green or you will be treated as a Red!! AS MAYOR OF THIS TOWN I WILL LEAD THIS TOWN TO PROSPERITY!!! I will follow these values as I followed L with loyalty! I will communicate effectively as The Great Ace! I will sacrifice our townies in the event of a crisis with respect and empathy! I can do all these things through the accumulation of experience! So let us start a new era! An Era where Brownness is no longer tolerated!!!
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 16 2010 13:41 LuDwig- wrote:
Just wake up. Checked radfield. Result: Green.
This is interesting. A not so subtle hinting that I'm the other mafia?
Reasons I am not the last mafia: Meeple would be dead twice over. I knew on day one that Meeple was the medic. Ludwig actually told me he trusted me as a townie and that Meeple had roleclaimed as the doctor. I PMed meeple that Ludwig told me he was the doctor, and meeple confirmed it. Me and meeple have been PMing since then.
Night one I would have roleblocked tree.hugger and killed meeple. Not sure why the mafia didn't do this. But supposidly it was because they figured tree.hugger would watch ludwig and bust him.
Night Two I knew that Foolishness was the watcher. I would have roleblocked him and killed meeple. Absolutely no downside. Can't get watched, can't get medic saved. Obviously the mafia thought that meeple had lied to ludwig though, because they made a huge mistake.
Seems like ludwig is the roleblocker as well, given that all the dt targets keep getting roleblocked. Also makes sense to have your roleblocker claim as a dt.
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Guys, you can vote for ending the day early. I have not decided how this will work yet and whether I will end the day early, but let me know your opinions so I can make a better decision later. Thank you.
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We can save the panda by lynching LuDwig, ending the day earlier and voting Chez for mayor!
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On June 16 2010 21:16 Korynne wrote:
Guys, you can vote for ending the day early. I have not decided how this will work yet and whether I will end the day early, but let me know your opinions so I can make a better decision later. Thank you.
I would end it if there is a unanimous vote... which there is (other than ludwig...)... and I'm pretty sure the next vote will be unanimous as well...
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oh actually there isn't a unanimous vote... but I would still think about ending day early so we can get on with it... it's not like people are going to change their minds now
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On June 16 2010 15:06 Foolishness wrote:
Just to clarify some things for those who are overly paranoid:
1) First night I watched Ludwig, and I got back that he was visited by tree.hugger and meeple. This subsequently rules out meeple as mafia since Ludwig did not die, and since Ludwig was not roleblocked (in some wacky scenario where he's town and meeple's mafia, I'm pretty sure Ludwig would have claimed in thread. That plus AFJ claimed to be medic) meeple must be clean. So this rules out the possibility that meeple's medic.
You mean meeple claimed to be medic? oO;
2) The only other person that has known about our true identities is Radfield. I'm not sure exactly how he found out meeple was the medic, so meeple can probably clarify if necessary. This makes Radfield very likely to be clean, as he wouldn't have ordered the hit on me since he knew I wasn't medic. Yes, it's possible that he did this to gain trust but I find that highly unlikely, especially since we have 3 lynches to find the remaining mafia. In the end he'll probably slip somewhere and lose.
That's interesting. However, in a PM exchange Radfield insisted that Ludwig- was clean and that I should consult Meeple about it if I don't believe him... but it sounds like you all trusted Ludwig- for some reason without proof, care to explain this?
For the remaining days I suggest we take the following course of action. Let's hope for the best and assume our DT is not naive, nor mafia. DT will check redtooth and we lynch Chezinu tomorrow (obviously if the result of the check is mafia we kill that person). Next night DT checks Radfield should he be alive and if there's no mafia result, then we decide among the remaining townspeople who to kill (*cough* flamewheel *cough*).
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Man it's going to be tough if our detective is indeed naive (I feel very confident that MooCow IS detective at this point). The only way to win at that point will be to get lucky and lynch the right person.
The good news is we have a fool proof way to keep meeple and foolishness alive: meeple protects foolishness, and foolishness watches meeple. If the mafioso is dumb enough to hit meeple he will get spotted by foolishness, and clearly the hit will be blocked if he goes after foolishnesss. Now this does waste our watcher ability since in doing this we won't be able to spot the mafioso killing other people, so perhaps meeple and foolishness can coordinate how we use the night actions (perhaps have foolishness watch someone else), with the threat to the mafioso always being that if he goes after meeple or foolishness he might be wasting his kill or will get caught.
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Can I investigate dead people to figure out my sanity? Thought it would seem like a bit of a waste but meeple was thinking about investigating him just to see if my RC was working.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 16 2010 23:47 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 15:06 Foolishness wrote:
Just to clarify some things for those who are overly paranoid:
1) First night I watched Ludwig, and I got back that he was visited by tree.hugger and meeple. This subsequently rules out meeple as mafia since Ludwig did not die, and since Ludwig was not roleblocked (in some wacky scenario where he's town and meeple's mafia, I'm pretty sure Ludwig would have claimed in thread. That plus AFJ claimed to be medic) meeple must be clean. So this rules out the possibility that meeple's medic.
You mean meeple claimed to be medic? oO;
errr no, you claimed to be roleblocked, so this rules out meeple being mafia. I think I was a bit sleepy when I wrote that @.@
On June 16 2010 23:47 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +
2) The only other person that has known about our true identities is Radfield. I'm not sure exactly how he found out meeple was the medic, so meeple can probably clarify if necessary. This makes Radfield very likely to be clean, as he wouldn't have ordered the hit on me since he knew I wasn't medic. Yes, it's possible that he did this to gain trust but I find that highly unlikely, especially since we have 3 lynches to find the remaining mafia. In the end he'll probably slip somewhere and lose.
That's interesting. However, in a PM exchange Radfield insisted that Ludwig- was clean and that I should consult Meeple about it if I don't believe him... but it sounds like you all trusted Ludwig- for some reason without proof, care to explain this?
Ludwig- apparently knew meeple was medic from day one. So did Radfield. This is why we thought the possibility of them being mafia was so low. Even if Radfield is mafia, he's probably going to get checked, and he still has 3 lynches to survive. That's going to be rough.
On June 16 2010 23:47 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +
For the remaining days I suggest we take the following course of action. Let's hope for the best and assume our DT is not naive, nor mafia. DT will check redtooth and we lynch Chezinu tomorrow (obviously if the result of the check is mafia we kill that person). Next night DT checks Radfield should he be alive and if there's no mafia result, then we decide among the remaining townspeople who to kill (*cough* flamewheel *cough*).
Man it's going to be tough if our detective is indeed naive (I feel very confident that MooCow IS detective at this point). The only way to win at that point will be to get lucky and lynch the right person. The good news is we have a fool proof way to keep meeple and foolishness alive: meeple protects foolishness, and foolishness watches meeple. If the mafioso is dumb enough to hit meeple he will get spotted by foolishness, and clearly the hit will be blocked if he goes after foolishnesss. Now this does waste our watcher ability since in doing this we won't be able to spot the mafioso killing other people, so perhaps meeple and foolishness can coordinate how we use the night actions (perhaps have foolishness watch someone else), with the threat to the mafioso always being that if he goes after meeple or foolishness he might be wasting his kill or will get caught.
Except that doesn't work with the roleblock. Mafia hits meeple and roleblocks me. Meeple dies and I don't get to figure anything out. DT still gets another check though which is nice.
Upon further thinking, I don't think the mafia realized that I could watch myself during the night. Many people through PMs probably knew I was getting protection, but I don't think the mafia banked on me watching myself to see who'd hit me.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
If LuDwig- is the roleblocker though, then that makes things a lot easier. It does fit in perfectly with faking DT and roleblocking the intended check target. Once roleblocker is dead then you and meeple syncing actions can't be beaten by just one regular Mafia, and thus you and meeple would stay alive until it was just you two and the Mafia left, which by that time it should hopefully be over.
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On June 17 2010 02:53 MooCow wrote:
Can I investigate dead people to figure out my sanity? Thought it would seem like a bit of a waste but meeple was thinking about investigating him just to see if my RC was working.
You cannot investigate dead people.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 17 2010 03:45 flamewheel wrote:
If LuDwig- is the roleblocker though, then that makes things a lot easier. It does fit in perfectly with faking DT and roleblocking the intended check target. Once roleblocker is dead then you and meeple syncing actions can't be beaten by just one regular Mafia, and thus you and meeple would stay alive until it was just you two and the Mafia left, which by that time it should hopefully be over.
ahhh I didn't consider that. Yes if he is indeed the roleblocker than that would makes things easy on us. But I'm assuming worse case scenario, in which by the end meeple, myself, citizen, and MooCow will all be dead.
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On June 16 2010 23:13 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 21:16 Korynne wrote:
Guys, you can vote for ending the day early. I have not decided how this will work yet and whether I will end the day early, but let me know your opinions so I can make a better decision later. Thank you. I would end it if there is a unanimous vote... which there is (other than ludwig...)... and I'm pretty sure the next vote will be unanimous as well...
I would argue that as long as you have a majority of players agree to end it early and those players are also all voting for the same person to be lynched, then you can end the day early.
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Ludwig is most definitely the roleblocker... that's the only way he can hold up his claims to be a dt...
Also... Radfield is the last mafia I beleive... too many close inexplicable ties with Ludwig then last minute trying to push away.
I trusted Ludwig because I was being impulsive about his defense of me early on and took a risk (and a rather stupid one)... but when I didn't die I thought that it kinda proved that he wasn't red... since who wouldn't take a lovely medic dangled in front of you like that. I didn't really trust Radfield... was kinda forced into it by Ludwig...
Anyways... tommorow's lynch of radfield should clinch the game for us...
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
I'm not the last red, so continue focusing your attention on the other unconfirmed folks so that once I'm dead you have some leads. I'll try to analyze Chezinu, Flamewheel, and redtooth to give you my opinion on who the last mafia is. If your dead set on lynching me, so be it, but I'll do my best to help out before I go.
It seems like at this point meeple, citizen, AFJ, Foolishness and probably moocow are all town. Presumably we all agree on this.
We get a day 4 lynch, day 5 lynch and day 6 lynch unless something very strange happens, like a second Day Vig who is mafia aligned. Assuming this is the case, we get an autowin if Redtooth gets modkilled.
Day 4 Radfield
Day 5 Flamewheel or Chez
Day 6 Chezinu or Flamewheel lynch or lose
If redtooth doesn't get modkilled, he should probably be lynched.
We should have this in the bag. However, mafia has almost certainly won if either AFJ or Citizen is mafia.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On June 17 2010 08:24 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2010 23:13 meeple wrote:On June 16 2010 21:16 Korynne wrote:
Guys, you can vote for ending the day early. I have not decided how this will work yet and whether I will end the day early, but let me know your opinions so I can make a better decision later. Thank you. I would end it if there is a unanimous vote... which there is (other than ludwig...)... and I'm pretty sure the next vote will be unanimous as well... I would argue that as long as you have a majority of players agree to end it early and those players are also all voting for the same person to be lynched, then you can end the day early.
I would also say for future use, that the person for whom the town is voting for must be given a chance to defend them self. As long as the person knows they are going to be lynched the day can end early.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 17 2010 08:26 meeple wrote:
Ludwig is most definitely the roleblocker... that's the only way he can hold up his claims to be a dt...
Also... Radfield is the last mafia I beleive... too many close inexplicable ties with Ludwig then last minute trying to push away.
I trusted Ludwig because I was being impulsive about his defense of me early on and took a risk (and a rather stupid one)... but when I didn't die I thought that it kinda proved that he wasn't red... since who wouldn't take a lovely medic dangled in front of you like that. I didn't really trust Radfield... was kinda forced into it by Ludwig...
Anyways... tommorow's lynch of radfield should clinch the game for us...
Actually I never pushed away from Ludwig until Foolishness told me he was mafia. I defended ludwig up until that point, even recommending to Foolishness that we could use him as a potential medic claim to hide that you were the medic.
I find it strange that you think because I trusted Ludwig that I am mafia. I trusted him for the same reasons you did: you didn't die. The fact that I pushed so hard for Ludwig as town should be an indication I am NOT mafia. Mafia don't make things quite that obvious. Also, the fact that I was pushing for AFJ when basically everyone else in the thread thought he was town is not an indication of mafia, but one of town. If I was mafia, there's no way I would stick my neck out to try and lynch/vig him, when there were WAY easier targets to get lynched, a ton of the players were mostly inactive at that point. Mafia stay low, they don't tie themselves together obviously and try to get obvious townies lynched. That's the sign of someone not putting enough effort into the game, but still playing like they have been(busiest time of the year for me).
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Kwatole has spoken! :o I will end day in 1 hour then if the votes are majority, otherwise day will run for another 25 hours like normal.
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On June 17 2010 08:53 Korynne wrote:
Kwatole has spoken! :o I will end day in 1 hour then if the votes are majority, otherwise day will run for another 25 hours like normal.
Not a simple majority, you need a majority of the town voting for BOTH of these 2:
1. A specific person to be lynched AND
2. To end the day early
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Well it would be pretty silly for someone to vote for ending the day early when they don't agree with the majority lynch. xD
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On June 17 2010 08:26 meeple wrote:
Ludwig is most definitely the roleblocker... that's the only way he can hold up his claims to be a dt...
Also... Radfield is the last mafia I beleive... too many close inexplicable ties with Ludwig then last minute trying to push away.
I trusted Ludwig because I was being impulsive about his defense of me early on and took a risk (and a rather stupid one)... but when I didn't die I thought that it kinda proved that he wasn't red... since who wouldn't take a lovely medic dangled in front of you like that. I didn't really trust Radfield... was kinda forced into it by Ludwig...
Anyways... tommorow's lynch of radfield should clinch the game for us...
It seems like bad play for 2 of the mafia to try to infiltrate a blue circle. What's the point? My best guess of the remaining mafia before the night's events was Ludwig/Radfield, but now I would guess that it's going to be Ludwig/Redtooth (or hell, it could even be chezinu... he has acted fairly town aligned in my PMs but what has he really contributed to the town?)
Also, because I love conspiracy theories :D!
--It's possible that meeple and foolishness are the remaining mafia and that the roleblocking the second night was just to totally throw the town off. We will know this is the case very quickly if ludwig flips green as foolishness already mentioned (I find this highly unlikely).
--Or, foolishness is mafia and made up being the watcher (assuming he did the ballsy thing and assumed that no watcher exists in the game). He then convinced meeple that he's the watcher and said he saw meeple visit ludwig (which meeple had already stated he did) and made up that tree.hugger visited ludwig (no way for tree.hugger to verify that since he died). On the second night, foolishness hit himself knowning that meeple would protect him. So at this point there is no way for meeple to know that something is fishy and everything looks dandy. Then, we lynch ludwig, who turns out to be the legit detective and there are still 2 mafia left. Foolishness, as you would say, you deserve an Oscar for your performance if this is what you've done.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 17 2010 08:43 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 08:24 Qatol wrote:On June 16 2010 23:13 meeple wrote:On June 16 2010 21:16 Korynne wrote:
Guys, you can vote for ending the day early. I have not decided how this will work yet and whether I will end the day early, but let me know your opinions so I can make a better decision later. Thank you. I would end it if there is a unanimous vote... which there is (other than ludwig...)... and I'm pretty sure the next vote will be unanimous as well... I would argue that as long as you have a majority of players agree to end it early and those players are also all voting for the same person to be lynched, then you can end the day early. I would also say for future use, that the person for whom the town is voting for must be given a chance to defend them self. As long as the person knows they are going to be lynched the day can end early.
Well, still have to wait for everybody to vote in order to avoid modkills, no? So I'd still say that everybody has to have at least cast a vote.
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On June 17 2010 09:25 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 08:43 Foolishness wrote:On June 17 2010 08:24 Qatol wrote:On June 16 2010 23:13 meeple wrote:On June 16 2010 21:16 Korynne wrote:
Guys, you can vote for ending the day early. I have not decided how this will work yet and whether I will end the day early, but let me know your opinions so I can make a better decision later. Thank you. I would end it if there is a unanimous vote... which there is (other than ludwig...)... and I'm pretty sure the next vote will be unanimous as well... I would argue that as long as you have a majority of players agree to end it early and those players are also all voting for the same person to be lynched, then you can end the day early. I would also say for future use, that the person for whom the town is voting for must be given a chance to defend them self. As long as the person knows they are going to be lynched the day can end early. Well, still have to wait for everybody to vote in order to avoid modkills, no? So I'd still say that everybody has to have at least cast a vote.
Yeah, everyone voted besides redtooth.
Frankly I wouldn't mind if he gets modkilled since he's one of our suspects and mafia sure as hell will be saving him for last.
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redtooth is probably mafia. If not him, it would be flamewheel - which I highly doubt.
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oh wait we have another 24 hours.. I guess it's worth to wait since that means I get to live and still win! DIE REDTOOTH!!!
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
There will not be modkilling if the day ends early.
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Do we have enough votes for the day to end early?
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On June 17 2010 09:55 MooCow wrote:
Do we have enough votes for the day to end early?
Unvote so we can kill redtooth! I don't want to die yet!
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On June 17 2010 09:56 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 09:55 MooCow wrote:
Do we have enough votes for the day to end early? Unvote so we can kill redtooth! I don't want to die yet!
How are you going to die? 
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On June 17 2010 09:59 MooCow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 09:56 Chezinu wrote:On June 17 2010 09:55 MooCow wrote:
Do we have enough votes for the day to end early? Unvote so we can kill redtooth! I don't want to die yet! How are you going to die?
They wanted to kill me before Redtooth, that was the plan right?
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Don't know but I won't vote to lynch you!
The heavy suspects list is pretty short it's either
Redtooth
Radfield
Chezinu
It'll be a bit more tricky if it's not either of you guys but the game should be pretty wrapped up if we did things correctly.
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On June 17 2010 10:03 MooCow wrote:
Don't know but I won't vote to lynch you!
The heavy suspects list is pretty short it's either
Redtooth
Radfield
Chezinu
It'll be a bit more tricky if it's not either of you guys but the game should be pretty wrapped up if we did things correctly.
Once redtooth dies, this game is pretty much over. I don't think I'm wrong about Rad being innocent, for reasons I can't say in public...lol *winks*
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Eh, I would actually call for the last Mafia to concede if LuDwig- is it...
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If Lud is roleblocker which makes sense it confirms flame as innocent, btw.
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Redtooth will not die unless he does not appear for the next 24 hours.
Night 3
The town did not wait for nightfall, they unanimously shoved LuDwig- up the platform despite his pleas and the panda he somehow managed to procure.
With a very satisfying crack, LuDwig-'s neck snapped.
LuDwig- the Mafia Roleblocker was lynched.
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Did I get Mayor? Did I save the panda?
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and I meant ludwig not you korynee LOL
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The last mafia has expressed wishes not to concede. Gogogo.
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O... interesting.. @ mafia doesn't want to concede.
Special Night announcement
Chezinu is the new MAYOR
REJOICE!!
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OMG! MAFIA DON'T KILL ME!! You need me!! I'm so lost...
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On June 17 2010 10:13 MooCow wrote:
O... interesting.. @ mafia doesn't want to concede.
Special Night announcement
Chezinu is the new MAYOR
REJOICE!!
Umm Chezinu is Brown, not Green!
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wait a minute flame still could be mafia... he could have lied about the roleblock?
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On June 17 2010 10:17 Chezinu wrote:
wait a minute flame still could be mafia... he could have lied about the roleblock?
MooCow said he's town
which means he's town unless MooCow is naiive.
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and what would lying about the role block matter anyway? we got ludwig.
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I can't be wrong about rad either.. I was pretty sure it had to be redtooth through elimination..
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Hmmm as I said before and did an analysis of Flamewheel I thought he was suspicious.
in Flamewheel last post here he uses the word "concede" and Korynne also uses that word. This might be clutching at straws a bit but maybe Flamewheel pm'd her and she just wrote that pretty quickly without thinking.
This might be a bit hard to understand due to my bad explaining but hopefully someone gets it.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On June 17 2010 10:21 MooCow wrote:Hmmm as I said before and did an analysis of Flamewheel I thought he was suspicious. in Flamewheel last post here he uses the word "concede" and Korynne also uses that word. This might be clutching at straws a bit but maybe Flamewheel pm'd her and she just wrote that pretty quickly without thinking. This might be a bit hard to understand due to my bad explaining but hopefully someone gets it.
Uh, I've argued with her for two days now about whether or not the last person should concede to save us all time. I'm also fairly certain that the last few games in which the Mafia have given up somebody's "conceded."
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Yea fair enough. It's a very common word but it was just something I noticed ^^
Clutching at straws!
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Nah I don't think so MooCow. It's more likely that korynne used the word concede either coincidentally or after seeing flamewheel's post.
Which brings me to something interesting:
The last mafioso just told korynne that he wasn't going to concede. Who posted soon after the night post? Me, MooCow, and chezinu! Who else would be enough of a troll to keep playing after they've clearly lost? Chezinu!
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Could be, that is how Chezinu works...
Also we don't know if it's redtooth or not still. 88 posts in the last week, barely any here.
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On June 17 2010 10:11 Korynne wrote:
The last mafia has expressed wishes not to concede. Gogogo.
This is silly.
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There is so much silly this game, you have no idea.
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GG.
I really enjoyed playing with you. Next time don't lynch me @ first day! TY
PS You have not save the panda.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
So who's getting checked tonight? Obviously we should do one of: Radfield, redtooth, Chezinu. Then we must decide who to kill tomorrow assuming a green result.
So I would say, we check redtooth and kill Radfield. Unless of course the result of the check is Mafia.
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On June 17 2010 14:08 Foolishness wrote:
So who's getting checked tonight? Obviously we should do one of: Radfield, redtooth, Chezinu. Then we must decide who to kill tomorrow assuming a green result.
So I would say, we check redtooth and kill Radfield. Unless of course the result of the check is Mafia.
RedTooth is really inactive and seems useless even if town. I'd say ... check Chez and kill Radfield. Also, don't forget to add Flamewheel to that list.
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On June 17 2010 14:08 Foolishness wrote:
So who's getting checked tonight? Obviously we should do one of: Radfield, redtooth, Chezinu. Then we must decide who to kill tomorrow assuming a green result.
So I would say, we check redtooth and kill Radfield. Unless of course the result of the check is Mafia.
I'd rather check/lynch Chezinu/Radfield. I don't think redtooth is that likely to be mafia. Also look at my previous post for a clue that Chezinu might be the remaining mafioso.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 17 2010 14:08 Foolishness wrote:
So who's getting checked tonight? Obviously we should do one of: Radfield, redtooth, Chezinu. Then we must decide who to kill tomorrow assuming a green result.
So I would say, we check redtooth and kill Radfield. Unless of course the result of the check is Mafia.
Trust me, if it was me as mafia, I would concede. What kind of player do you think I am? I'm not here to waste people's time.
I very much doubt redtooth is mafia, as he's playing a very strange pseudo inactive strategy if he is. It's just too obvious. He'll probably be modkilled anyways though. I think Flamewheel would concede at this point. I know Chezinu would not concede at this point. Also, Chez seems quite confident that I am not mafia, and he seems to be the only person in the thread who really thinks so. The only other player in this game who was sure I was pro-town was Ludwig.
Also, Flamewheel isn't necessarily not mafia because he got roleblocked. Ludwig needed to roleblock Flamewheel so that if the watcher looked at flamewheel, he would see that both 'dts' visited. Also, we have a watcher, tracker, doctor and dayvig. It seems likely we have a naive dt and not a sane one. Having a sane dt would make this game a cakewalk.
I recommend that if you lynch me, you then lynch Flamewheel and Chezinu, in whatever order you like.
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On June 17 2010 14:32 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 14:08 Foolishness wrote:
So who's getting checked tonight? Obviously we should do one of: Radfield, redtooth, Chezinu. Then we must decide who to kill tomorrow assuming a green result.
So I would say, we check redtooth and kill Radfield. Unless of course the result of the check is Mafia. Trust me, if it was me as mafia, I would concede. What kind of player do you think I am? I'm not here to waste people's time. I very much doubt redtooth is mafia, as he's playing a very strange pseudo inactive strategy if he is. It's just too obvious. He'll probably be modkilled anyways though. I think Flamewheel would concede at this point. I know Chezinu would not concede at this point. Also, Chez seems quite confident that I am not mafia, and he seems to be the only person in the thread who really thinks so. The only other player in this game who was sure I was pro-town was Ludwig. Also, Flamewheel isn't necessarily not mafia because he got roleblocked. Ludwig needed to roleblock Flamewheel so that if the watcher looked at flamewheel, he would see that both 'dts' visited. Also, we have a watcher, tracker, doctor and dayvig. It seems likely we have a naive dt and not a sane one. Having a sane dt would make this game a cakewalk. I recommend that if you lynch me, you then lynch Flamewheel and Chezinu, in whatever order you like.
The only shred of doubt in my mind as to whether you are red is Korynne's comment. I think that is what Chez is basing his opinion on as well.
Regardless, we agree on the general plan.
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On June 17 2010 14:39 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2010 14:32 Radfield wrote:On June 17 2010 14:08 Foolishness wrote:
So who's getting checked tonight? Obviously we should do one of: Radfield, redtooth, Chezinu. Then we must decide who to kill tomorrow assuming a green result.
So I would say, we check redtooth and kill Radfield. Unless of course the result of the check is Mafia. Trust me, if it was me as mafia, I would concede. What kind of player do you think I am? I'm not here to waste people's time. I very much doubt redtooth is mafia, as he's playing a very strange pseudo inactive strategy if he is. It's just too obvious. He'll probably be modkilled anyways though. I think Flamewheel would concede at this point. I know Chezinu would not concede at this point. Also, Chez seems quite confident that I am not mafia, and he seems to be the only person in the thread who really thinks so. The only other player in this game who was sure I was pro-town was Ludwig. Also, Flamewheel isn't necessarily not mafia because he got roleblocked. Ludwig needed to roleblock Flamewheel so that if the watcher looked at flamewheel, he would see that both 'dts' visited. Also, we have a watcher, tracker, doctor and dayvig. It seems likely we have a naive dt and not a sane one. Having a sane dt would make this game a cakewalk. I recommend that if you lynch me, you then lynch Flamewheel and Chezinu, in whatever order you like. The only shred of doubt in my mind as to whether you are red is Korynne's comment. I think that is what Chez is basing his opinion on as well. Regardless, we agree on the general plan.
obv, thats why I lolled and winked since I couldn't say it publically.. I might get attacked by frownie faces!
+ Show Spoiler +waits for them! + Show Spoiler +wonders if he will get smiley faces instead, because I'm awesome! + Show Spoiler +Now wonders if someone was thinking about doing a different smiley face just to do it + Show Spoiler +Now is thinking if someone is going to use spoilers to hide a potential smiley face because I am using tons in this post + Show Spoiler +But really I think someone might just use spoiler tags without even hiding a smiley face + Show Spoiler +But since I just said that, someone might hide a frownie smiley face instead + Show Spoiler +But by saying that, someone might hide a different type of face or possibly an image.. or perhaps a secret code that I must decode...or a riddle or riddles or fake riddles.. or perhaps someone like flamewheel will say "oh...blank...Chez" *censored for Xelin's sake even though he got temp banned* + Show Spoiler +But perhaps since I called him out on it he won't do it or perhaps he will...I just don't know about him.. maybe fool will say "Nobody Cares" or some new awesome saying.. or maybe people will say brown.. or pretend to act like flame, fool, or perhaps even me or some other person I can't even imagine.. what if they act like themselves? oh the possiblities! I must end it! + Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +read above spoiler before reading this one + Show Spoiler +Spoilers!!! Bet you didn't except me to end it so cruelly, or did you? Did you think it was cruel? + Show Spoiler +Uh oh.. now you may answer these questions instead..or perhaps...oh no I'm not going there!
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The mayor is always mafia.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
So I think we've decided to check Chez tonight?
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On June 18 2010 03:30 Foolishness wrote:
So I think we've decided to check Chez tonight?
agree
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I'm pretty sure Moocow already checked me though, I thought that was the reason the Mayor was in green font.
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On June 18 2010 04:06 Chezinu wrote:
I'm pretty sure Moocow already checked me though, I thought that was the reason the Mayor was in green font.
Mafia can be Mayor!
I used the green font to throw them off whilst I check you tonight.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Well, Chez IS crazy if that's what you mean....
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So the results came back green and your just acting crazy because I have rubbed off on you? Or do you wait til day for results and you have decided to start acting crazy because I have rubbed off on you? I most definitely had an influence on that last post.
btw, this game is dead.
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On June 18 2010 07:21 Chezinu wrote:
So the results came back green and your just acting crazy because I have rubbed off on you? Or do you wait til day for results and you have decided to start acting crazy because I have rubbed off on you? I most definitely had an influence on that last post.
btw, this game is dead.
It's dead because its basically over... no more suspense
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On June 18 2010 07:28 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2010 07:21 Chezinu wrote:
So the results came back green and your just acting crazy because I have rubbed off on you? Or do you wait til day for results and you have decided to start acting crazy because I have rubbed off on you? I most definitely had an influence on that last post.
btw, this game is dead. It's dead because its basically over... no more suspense
Who's mafia?
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On June 18 2010 07:30 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2010 07:28 meeple wrote:On June 18 2010 07:21 Chezinu wrote:
So the results came back green and your just acting crazy because I have rubbed off on you? Or do you wait til day for results and you have decided to start acting crazy because I have rubbed off on you? I most definitely had an influence on that last post.
btw, this game is dead. It's dead because its basically over... no more suspense Who's mafia?
Pretty sure radfield's the last one...
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<_> You guys already knew who the last mafia was after Korynne posted anyway
Let's rejoice that we won though?! But a bit too much inactivity imo
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Well, I know you can't die, but aren't you curious who the last mafia is going to be?
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On June 18 2010 07:31 MooCow wrote:<_> You guys already knew who the last mafia was after Korynne posted anyway Let's rejoice that we won though?! But a bit too much inactivity imo
"Knew"? More like suspect with conviction... he might still want to fight it out... but there's too many unexplained links to Ludwig and transparent last minute pushing away from each other...
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Yeah... three modkills is pretty rough in a small invitation based game like this... too bad but expected
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 18 2010 07:31 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2010 07:30 Chezinu wrote:On June 18 2010 07:28 meeple wrote:On June 18 2010 07:21 Chezinu wrote:
So the results came back green and your just acting crazy because I have rubbed off on you? Or do you wait til day for results and you have decided to start acting crazy because I have rubbed off on you? I most definitely had an influence on that last post.
btw, this game is dead. It's dead because its basically over... no more suspense Who's mafia? Pretty sure radfield's the last one...
The best part is that I'm not the last mafia. The fact that you're all so sure is blinding you to the real last mafia. Hopefully the thread picks up once I die.
Is Redtooth dead? Is night over? Presumably in 20 minutes or so night is over?
I really don't understand all the 'pushing away' from ludwig that you keep talking about meeple. I think you've kind of invented that in your mind to make me seem more mafia than I am. I was quite confident ludwig was legit until Foolishness told me he was the last mafia. I never "pushed away".
Somewhere along the way you guys started thinking I was red, but you really don't have nearly as much evidence on me as you think. You're all acting as if I was rolechecked and came back red, but really all you have is this:
I trusted Ludwig. I trusted him for THE EXACT SAME reasons as meeple. The fact you were alive meeple almost guaranteed Ludwig must be town.
I thought AFJ was mafia, and lying about getting roleblocked to try to squirm out of getting lynched. It just seemed so implausible at the time that he would be roleblocked(but of course it makes sense, I just wasn't being open minded to the possibility).
That's basically the entire case against me, and it's very thin. I don't even understand how Foolishness and Meeple could possibly think I'm mafia...I KNEW your roles guys. I've jumped forward with my ideas and opinions all game, and some of them were wrong. I think it strange that you guys think I would play this bad if I was mafia. I gaurantee you, when I'm mafia, it won't be that obvious.
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Day 4
That night, everyone hid at home, their doors bolted, anxiously awaiting the break of dawn.
Foolishness was the only one who left one of his windows open, as he stared intently at meeple's house across the street, a cup of coffee in his hand.
meeple slept on his couch with his first aid kit, wearing his sneakers.
As annoying as this was, they knew that the end would be soon. The last mafia would not be able to escape...
As dawn broke, everyone cautiously unbolted their doors and stepped out into the sun. A scream was heard across the town and everyone immediately rushed in that direction, towards meeple's house.
When they got there, they found meeple in one piece, the door of his house was painted with red blood. The blood trailed off to the north. The town followed the trail quietly like a flock of ducklings following their mother.
The blood trail turned left and up the driveway of an abandoned mansion, said to be haunted. The town cautiously approached the mansion... MooCow walked forward, took out his flashlight, and shone it into the house.
A body was lying on the floor, face down.
MooCow walked into the house and kicked the body over. The town gasped.
+ Show Spoiler +Chezinu the mafia has been killed.
Town victory!
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Ahaha... nice one Chez... sorry about that radfield
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Yeah it happens, I'm glad my passionate last post got in there before the end
Good Game All!!
Citizen, amazing take-out of L
Meeple, and Foolishness, great work on catching Ludwig
AFJ, sorry I doubted you much, to my own detriment.
Good job mafia on sniping Tree.hugger night 1
Sorry to all that I didn't play a bit better, I was definitely off this game, and couldn't put in quite as much effort as I normally do. Quick question Korynne, what was Moocow's alignment?
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Oh, and redtooth is modkilled...
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also, I was the only person who voted for scum day 1 or 2 :D
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Chez did anyone of your random riddles and codes actually state you were mafia?? Because that would be kind of fun.
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Role List:
Mafia 12. ~OpZ~
Mafia 13. L
Mafia 6. Chezinu
Mafia RoleBlocker 15. LuDwig-
Normal Detective 16. MooCow
Watcher 8. Foolishness
Tracker 3. tree.hugger
Normal Medic 11. meeple
Day Vigilante 7. citi.zen
Townie 14. johnnyspazz
Townie 9. redtooth
Townie 10. RebirthOfLeGend
Townie 1. flamewheel
Townie 5. Radfield
Townie 17. AcrossFiveJulys
Townie 4. Vivi57
Townie 2. ohN
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 18 2010 10:18 Vivi57 wrote:
also, I was the only person who voted for scum day 1 or 2 :D
That's true, nice read. Too bad you didn't convince us too.
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Lol. This is what happens when I'm expected to set up our IRC channel, but have work during the first 4 days of the game and no one else steps up.
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On June 18 2010 10:18 Vivi57 wrote:
also, I was the only person who voted for scum day 1 or 2 :D
Haha that's pretty funny..
VICTORY HORN!!
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Thank god it's over.
Also too many information roles.
hosts.
On June 18 2010 10:27 MooCow wrote:VICTORY HORN!!
=.=
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 18 2010 10:29 flamewheel wrote:Thank god it's over. Also too many information roles. hosts. =.=
Well if moocow was naive then it's just the watcher and tracker
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
So what was up with that PM ludwig sent?
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Nah I was sane.. I found out Chezinu was mafia earlier than the day ended that's why I posted those spoilered posts but no one understood it.
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On June 18 2010 10:33 Foolishness wrote:
So what was up with that PM ludwig sent?
just leading us astray I think...
It was a great game... mass roleclaim... epic blue snipe... epic red snipe... Sweet friggin ass
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great game thanks to citizen
otherwise, we'd probably have been sweeped
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On June 18 2010 10:33 Foolishness wrote:
So what was up with that PM ludwig sent?
I don't think there's a rational explanation for anything that ludwig did that game.
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I was going to roleclaim before I died, but was too busy.
Btw,
fun fact 1: Town has never lynched me before! only mafia (Pyrr..)
fun fact 2: Everyone #kill command was aimed at a mafia.
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On June 18 2010 11:32 Vivi57 wrote:
great game thanks to citizen
otherwise, we'd probably have been sweeped
Even the blind chicken will get a piece of corn every now and again. Seriously. GJ Foolish/Meeple, really well played Chez, but you were always going to remain on the suspect shortlist.
Taking a break for a couple of weeks.
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Yea town! I'm so glad my conspiracy theory about ludwig turned out to be right.
-->Awesome shot by citizen on day 2. Fucking amazing.
-->GJ meeple/foolishness in drawing the incriminating hit from ludwig. If not for that we would have been flopping for several more days and could have lost.
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We were really unlucky..
L being killed at random and opz modkilled..
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On June 18 2010 13:37 LuDwig- wrote:
We were really unlucky..
L being killed at random and opz modkilled..
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So why didn't you want to roleblock meeple?
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Mafia played badly besides Chez. I did not suspect him at all until the last day/night cycle (at one point I sent him a PM saying I think he's mafia ).
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I thought the mafia played fine but faced many blues and got unlucky. The PMs from Chez to Flame and A5J and myself were great.
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liked how I acted very open by forwarding PMs?
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Btw, Who said that at most there were going to be 5 blue roles? That was a good call.
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great play by the town.
next game i will definitely make sure i have more free time so i can be more active so i'm not the first one lynched.
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chez's strategy shined this game
play so that we can't tell what he is so that when he's mafia, he can hide well.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 18 2010 16:01 Chezinu wrote:
Btw, Who said that at most there were going to be 5 blue roles? That was a good call.
Hmm, I guessed we would have at least 5 blue roles, but I was quite wrong on which roles I thought would be in it.
On June 18 2010 18:21 DarthThienAn wrote:
GUYS RADFIELD DIDNT DIE?
Stop the presses! First ever late game scenario for me
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On June 18 2010 16:01 Chezinu wrote:
Btw, Who said that at most there were going to be 5 blue roles? That was a good call.
On June 10 2010 14:18 Vivi57 wrote:
What makes you think we only have 4 townies this round. You really think there's 7 blues?
We're going to have at most 1 vig, whether its day or night. There's no way we'll have a watcher, tracker, *and* dt. And I wouldn't be surprised if we had 0 hatters and 0 vets.
close enough?
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On June 18 2010 20:32 Vivi57 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2010 16:01 Chezinu wrote:
Btw, Who said that at most there were going to be 5 blue roles? That was a good call. Show nested quote +On June 10 2010 14:18 Vivi57 wrote:
What makes you think we only have 4 townies this round. You really think there's 7 blues?
We're going to have at most 1 vig, whether its day or night. There's no way we'll have a watcher, tracker, *and* dt. And I wouldn't be surprised if we had 0 hatters and 0 vets. close enough?
Negatory, commander.
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I figured L had to be scummy because on Day 1 he called for a mass role claim. In this setup that's like the most retarded thing to do lol. He actually got away with it too. If citizen didn't shoot L (good play) and his teammates stepped up maybe they would have had a shot.
Also Chezinu playing "random" obviously didn't help his team much. Maybe it's just me but I'd prefer for scum allies to cause massive chaos instead of being negligible until late game. No idea what happened in the PMs but reading the thread lots of things felt like Mafia had no idea what to do with the roleclaims.
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the roleclaim wasn't as bad as you think with a tracker and a watcher, though, right?
can't they coordinate and essentially confirm someone? that's the idea i would have pushed
didn't really read up on this game, though, so i don't know how it played out and probably shouldn't be telling anyone how to play considering.
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roleclaiming on Day 1 in this setup isn't good for the town. Hence anyone pushing for one should be looked at it with heavy suspicion. I mean all the mafia have to do is lie about roles and with a roleblocker all confirmations go out the window.
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No idea what happened in the PMs but reading the thread lots of things felt like Mafia had no idea what to do with the roleclaims. We didn't have IRC because I had work. Bad news blues.
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These were requested by a good man, so here goes:
TL MAFIA XXVII BEARIES!
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(please note: Bearies are lighthearted trophies I decided to give out because I felt like it. No insult or emotional distress is intended by the Bearies. If you are insulted by a Bearie, it is probably because you are angry and/or neoconservative and/or German, and hate web 2.0 )
Seeing as these have caught on, someday I will have to make an actual banner for these Ah well, I did not actually play in this game, so all credit for the awards and decisions goes to chezinu.
(NOTE: I did not play in this game, just read through it a couple times to do these. If there are any inaccuracies, I sincerely apologize, just point them out and I will correct them. If I notice.)
"THE DECIDER" BEARIE: For the most accurate Dayvig kill, and the most convincing end to an argument in years:
goes to citi.zen! In the midst of a hilarious day 2 argument between citi.zen, L, Foolishness, and some other people, citi.zen literally walked into the thread, typed out this fateful post:
On June 14 2010 16:29 citi.zen wrote:
Here:
##Kill L
No d-vig here.
and left. People lol'd, saying people should stop trying to prove their non-dayvig-ness. Then Korynne posted:
On June 14 2010 20:59 Korynne wrote:
Ohhh...
I have to go to work, but here goes:
L the godfather is dead.
The thread stopped. Then erupted. As the town's view on who was who fell down around them, citi.zen simply spun his gun around his finger, and quietly delivered the following one liner:
On June 15 2010 00:54 citi.zen wrote:
I want roleclaim pm's by tonight.
Bad. Ass.
NOSTRADAMUS BEARIE: For the most accurate conspiracy theories
Goes to AcrossFiveJulys! I did not play, but I have read the thread, and A5J nailed many people with his ramblings. He called L as mafia before citi.zen popped him, then he went on to use his somewhat confirmed-townieness to organize and direct townie actions. His wild and crazy conspiracy theories from the early stages actually came true, as both Ludwig and L flipped red. Having even one crazy conspiracy theory turn true is amazing, but having 2 is just nuts. Kudos to A5J.
BROMANCE BEARIE: For the best teamwork this game
Is a joint award to meeple and Foolishness! Their scheme on night... 2 I believe basically won the game for town. A very nice, simple little plan that used their blue roles in combination, the way they were supposed to be used, nailed LuDwig-, and broke the game wide open for town. Well done, team.
CARCINOGENETICIST BEARIE For the best troll/most hilarious defense post ever:
I think I'll just post it below:
On June 16 2010 15:45 LuDwig- wrote:Oh, i am at school pc now T.T Well i suppose i can say tons of things..but they are really hard to believe :| So i had to kidnap this panda: If you try to lynch me today i will kill him!
Fucking. Genius.
RADFIELD JR. BEARIE For the player who had the unfortunate distiction of dying first:
Is awarded to johnnyspazz. Poor dude. This seems like it's becoming a trend with him, too.
And finally, a special award is given to Radfield himself, for successfully surviving a game of mafia!!! Well done, sir!
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Again, all credit for the above awards chosen goes to chezinu. I just wrote up the post.
GG guys, was very entertaining to read from an outsider's perspective ^^
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Ahaha... epic bearies... this should be a staple of every game!!! Thanks Chez/BrownBear
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