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On June 13 2010 11:03 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 10:45 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 13 2010 10:34 L wrote:
Well, we don't need to wait on him 100%, but I've got a few ideas floating around that I'd like a bit more info to flesh out before proposing them. L, please post your ideas before we get information about the night actions back. Then, we will know whether you are a legit townie or a mafia who is trying to bend the evidence one way or the other. Well, derp derp. You were supposed to be checked by our DTs. If we had a hatter or a vet in our DT group, our watcher should know who he is and be able to confirm the other DT as legit. He should also be able to figure out who the roleblocker is if he checked you if you aren't bullshitting. Basically the question here is whether or not we're killing you today and I'd kinda like information regarding who's lying and who isn't.
I'd kind of like to hear the various things you are thinking about before you have evidence to work with, because you are either a dickwad or an intelligent mafiso, and i'd like to be confident that you are just a dickwad.
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Also, reiterating, if anyone else wants to say they got role blocked, please do. If no one else speaks up you should be able to put some trust in that I was the one role blocked and therefore probably not mafia. If someone does speak up then it will be obvious that they are mafia if I get lynched and flip town.
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On June 13 2010 10:40 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 10:02 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 13 2010 08:18 citi.zen wrote:
Hold on - a roleblocked townie is announced he got blocked? yes? I got a PM from incognito last "night" saying that I've been role blocked. This is not how it works in any other game. Can a mod chime in?
Actually most games that I've seen recently with roleblockers involve the person being roleblocked getting told he is roleblocked, whether he has an action or not.
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On June 13 2010 11:26 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Also, reiterating, if anyone else wants to say they got role blocked, please do. If no one else speaks up you should be able to put some trust in that I was the one role blocked and therefore probably not mafia. If someone does speak up then it will be obvious that they are mafia if I get lynched and flip town.
Except in every other game vanilla townies are not PMed that information since technically there is no action to "block" at night. So, unless Incogito confirms that in this game he will send PMs to everyone who gets blocked, even vanilla townies, your statement is meaningless.
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On June 13 2010 11:31 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 10:40 citi.zen wrote:On June 13 2010 10:02 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 13 2010 08:18 citi.zen wrote:
Hold on - a roleblocked townie is announced he got blocked? yes? I got a PM from incognito last "night" saying that I've been role blocked. This is not how it works in any other game. Can a mod chime in? Actually most games that I've seen recently with roleblockers involve the person being roleblocked getting told he is roleblocked, whether he has an action or not.
OK, this helps. Thanks, would still be nice to confirm from Incognito.
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On June 13 2010 11:22 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 11:03 L wrote:On June 13 2010 10:45 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:On June 13 2010 10:34 L wrote:
Well, we don't need to wait on him 100%, but I've got a few ideas floating around that I'd like a bit more info to flesh out before proposing them. L, please post your ideas before we get information about the night actions back. Then, we will know whether you are a legit townie or a mafia who is trying to bend the evidence one way or the other. Well, derp derp. You were supposed to be checked by our DTs. If we had a hatter or a vet in our DT group, our watcher should know who he is and be able to confirm the other DT as legit. He should also be able to figure out who the roleblocker is if he checked you if you aren't bullshitting. Basically the question here is whether or not we're killing you today and I'd kinda like information regarding who's lying and who isn't. I'd kind of like to hear the various things you are thinking about before you have evidence to work with, because you are either a dickwad or an intelligent mafiso, and i'd like to be confident that you are just a dickwad.
Well, derp, depends what the watcher has to say. If the watcher says a single person visited you and there's no one else that claims they were blocked, things are ez pz, we kill that person. If we find out one of our DTs was blocked, then its pretty obvious you're lying. If multiple people visited you and no one else claims to have been blocked and incog confirms that people without roles are informed of being blocked, then we've found a lead on the roleblocker.
If the watcher didn't watch you and instead decided to shit around, I dunno what to tell you.
I understand you're trying to play some form of accusation trading defense, but if you're so confident that the watcher won't contradict you you should be gagging for him to show up and clear things up, no?
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Incognito, I'd appreciate it if you'd state that greens get PMd when they get role blocked.
L, sure, I'm looking forward to what the watcher has to say. If he did watch me he'll find that I was visited by a mafia and even be able to give us who it was. But that would mean the mafia fucked up massively last night by role blocking me given that they knew I was going to be watched...
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On June 12 2010 11:01 meeple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Yup... totally welcome this. I'll flip a coin to watch tree.hugger or Ludwig
Shit looks like meeple didn't watch me last night unless he changed his mind after this post.
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On June 13 2010 09:29 L wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 08:15 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Hey guys, just wanted to let you know I got role blocked last night. Guess the mafia thought I was blue. What this is means is that if no one else claims to have been role blocked last night, this is evidence for me being town-aligned, which means that we should be able to narrow down what kind of detective ludwig is. Of course, there is the possibility that if I was mafia, mafia could waste a role block on me to create this exact situation to prevent me from being lynched, but hey, I'm just saying what happened. Wait, why would you be told that you were roleblocked unless you had a role? Are you trying to dodge getting killed for the DT confirmation? Also, I really hope our medic was at least protecting our watcher last night. DT is protected because we probably have a fake and watcher is a weaker role. Without Dvig claimed, I have no idea why the medic wouldn't have protected the tracker. Anyways, time for night role information! Hopefully we've found some interesting stuff via DT or watcher. If not, I think we have enough information to make an educated guess about our hits tonight regardless. Incog, on a rules point: do you notify vanilla townies about roleblocks? Not sure that even answerable fairly at this point.
Roleblocker
You are a mafia member who has the ability to prevent a player from performing a night action. Once per night, you may roleblock a player, and your target will be unable to perform night actions for that night. Your target will be informed that they have been role blocked regardless of whether or not they can perform a night action.
Rereading the rules is never a bad thing.
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On June 13 2010 12:01 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2010 09:29 L wrote:On June 13 2010 08:15 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Hey guys, just wanted to let you know I got role blocked last night. Guess the mafia thought I was blue. What this is means is that if no one else claims to have been role blocked last night, this is evidence for me being town-aligned, which means that we should be able to narrow down what kind of detective ludwig is. Of course, there is the possibility that if I was mafia, mafia could waste a role block on me to create this exact situation to prevent me from being lynched, but hey, I'm just saying what happened. Wait, why would you be told that you were roleblocked unless you had a role? Are you trying to dodge getting killed for the DT confirmation? Also, I really hope our medic was at least protecting our watcher last night. DT is protected because we probably have a fake and watcher is a weaker role. Without Dvig claimed, I have no idea why the medic wouldn't have protected the tracker. Anyways, time for night role information! Hopefully we've found some interesting stuff via DT or watcher. If not, I think we have enough information to make an educated guess about our hits tonight regardless. Incog, on a rules point: do you notify vanilla townies about roleblocks? Not sure that even answerable fairly at this point. Show nested quote +Roleblocker
You are a mafia member who has the ability to prevent a player from performing a night action. Once per night, you may roleblock a player, and your target will be unable to perform night actions for that night. Your target will be informed that they have been role blocked regardless of whether or not they can perform a night action. Rereading the rules is never a bad thing.
Thanks bro.
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On June 13 2010 11:58 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2010 11:01 meeple wrote:On June 12 2010 10:29 MooCow wrote:On June 12 2010 10:21 ohN wrote:damn. On June 12 2010 10:19 L wrote:
Yeah, not enough people caring if johnny would die :/.
Anyways, so the plan basically goes like this; Tracker tracks our DTs. Watchers watch any of our blues. If one of DTs is bullshitting, we'll be able to figure it out immediately. DTs can check our blues if they want, but given the sanity issue I can understand another checks.
Sound decent? Comments plz. Sounds decent. blues should post who they're watching and chezinu should rc imo. I'm investigating meeple because he was 2nd highest on the votes for being lynched and no one else recommended any other candidates. Yup... totally welcome this. I'll flip a coin to watch tree.hugger or Ludwig Shit looks like meeple didn't watch me last night unless he changed his mind after this post.
I'm kinda hoping he was trying to fake out the roleblocker with that. Then again, if he checked Ludwig he might have found and confirmed our medic.
If that's the case, please don't tell us who he is unless he's going to get bussed.
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Waiting for people to play this game.. waiting for the watcher to tell his tale of what happen last night... waiting on DT to come out of the shadow.. waiting on people to pick up on puns and riddles...
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Ah... I'm back... yeah unfortunately I didn't watch AFJ but I did watch Ludwig... and have ascertained the identity of the medic  . Of course, I won't betray his confidence, but if he happens to find his sorry ass in trouble I will do what I can to pull him out of it.
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So we just need to hear back from ludwig on what he found out last night (if he's a hatter or vet who lied then he'll have to lie to us about what he found out from last night and we won't know whether to trust MooCow or Ludwig's result ARGH I HATE YOUR "PLAN" L).
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Heh... well it does give some sticky situations since we can't actually rely that much on the detectives results... but it does give us some starting points. In my eyes, AFJ is slightly greener... not only because one of our "dts" seem to have confirmed what he claimed but also because of his lack of complaining under all this scrutiny. If he were red, I imagine he would be squirming a bit more...
Of course, there's always the possibility that both MooCow and AFJ are mafia and coordinating this... which would explain both the result and the lack of complaining.
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Ludwig (Detective)
tree.hugger(Tracker)
MooCow(Detective)
Meeple(Watcher)
Radfield
Ohn
johnnyspazz
AcrossFiveJulys
RebirthOfLeGenD
L
Flamewheel
redtooth
Vivi57
Foolishness
~Opz~
cit.izen
Still have Chezinu left to role claim.
Since it hasn't been posted in awhile, here's our RC list.
I would like to point out that if all of our blues RC'd according to the plan, it means we only have 4 out of 5 of the following roles in the game: tracker, watcher, detective, veteran, mad hatter. (see below). So most likely MooCow/Ludwig are detective/veteran (or vice-versa). Meeple is either hatter or watcher.
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Medics obviously lie and vet/hatter claim DT/Watcher respectively so that mafia are 50% screened in their attempt at hitting any of our info roles
The mafia's choice of hitting tree.hugger was smart because we didn't specify a role to lie being tracker so they knew they could take him out if he wasn't medic protected. Once again, good fucking job L.
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Anyway, I forgot to add that we can be pretty confident that none of the people in the blues are mafia unless some of our blues fucked up and didn't role claim. So our efforts should be aimed at the greens. I'm going to do post analysis on Ohn and RoL. I ask that other people choose 1 or 2 people to do post analysis on so we can intelligently choose someone to lynch today (assuming you don't insist on going after me)
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ohN
#155: comments that inactivity is bad for the town
#165: says he supports roleclaiming but doesn't want to be the first
#172: claims townie, then says he has no powers with a sad face. (exagerating being disappointed about being townie?)
#247: says he forgot about the game (excuse for inactivity), pushes for more role claiming
#249: says that everyone should role claim, not half, or it hurts the town
#288: Explains his reasoning for voting for jspazz. says he is voting for him because jspazz voted for him with no explanation, and because jspazz conviniently said he'd be offline until the vote deadline (first reason is bad, that's not a mafia tell, second reason is better). Says he is voting for jspazz mainly because we lack a better candidate.
#289: says meeple and chezinu are not suspicious
#320: in response to meeple's concerns about the plan for the night's actions, he says we will "see what happens and go from there." This is a terrible response. You should always think about the different scenarios that might come up so you can adjust your plan if it has serious problems.
Summary: ohN has been a relatively inactive poster but not inactive enough to arouse suspicion thus far. He has been a supporter of the role claim plan but has not offered any real content regarding its implementation. 4th Vote for jspazz (out of 6 total votes). I'm keeping my eye on him.
RebirthOfLegend
#232: promises activity
#237: supports plan "for the same reasons radfield said". Disagrees, however, with blues lying to mask their roles (vets claim detective, etc) because it creates confusions and "is a big no." RC's townie.
#240: more words saying blues shouldn't lie about their role. claims that L never once said to lie about your role when he indeed did (see page 13 of thread).
#257: points finger at me for a mistake in one of my posts (for some reason I thought for a second that millers lynched flip vanlilla townie instead of miller) and says that's mafiaish, citing his previous game where he played mafia and didn't read the rules carefully. LOL's at so many greens role claiming (well no shit there are going to be excess greens... what are mafia going to claim, red?).
#260: says the plan isn't that bad
Summary: RoL has a strange post history. All of his non-useless posts are in the same time period. The only real things he's done are advocate the plan (actually, he advocated the imaginary plan where blues DO NOT lie about their roles, then ended up advocating the real one later anyway) and arouse suspicion about me. 3rd to vote for jspazz. He also didn't bother to defend himself after I voted for him on day1. My read on him is an accuse-happy townie who has bad reading comprehension and/or not been keeping up properly with the thread.
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On June 13 2010 14:06 meeple wrote:
Heh... well it does give some sticky situations since we can't actually rely that much on the detectives results... but it does give us some starting points. In my eyes, AFJ is slightly greener... not only because one of our "dts" seem to have confirmed what he claimed but also because of his lack of complaining under all this scrutiny. If he were red, I imagine he would be squirming a bit more...
Of course, there's always the possibility that both MooCow and AFJ are mafia and coordinating this... which would explain both the result and the lack of complaining.
I highly doubt that MooCow would suggest and check someone who is also mafia given that our current plan is to axe him in order to give DTs role information. Its possible that one is trying to set the other up, but both of them being mafia seems incredibly unlikely.
You not checking AFJ kinda makes getting information our DTs harder, but if you've confirmed that there's a medic, that's awesome. The problem is that now our lynch choice is much harder. I personally don't think AFJ is mafia because he's acting pretty emotionally, but I haven't gone through his past games to see how he plays mafia. If that's the case, then its possible that up to 3 people visited AFJ yesterday. If i'm right and he's not mafia, then he isn't the medic either because he wouldn't lie about being roleblocked and meeple picked up a medic. Unless meeple is lying or if the hatter dropped a bomb on ludwig and thinks he and meeple are both mafia which seems very unlikely.
So basically we're kinda at a null point in terms of the objective information. We can either kill AFJ to let our DTs narrow their potential sanities, or we can attempt to find someone else. Personally, I have tomorrow off and don't need to work all day, which means I'll have time to look into 2 people too. I think i'll pick flamewheel and foolishness because 1) flamewheel is cute and 2) foolishness is not posting which piques my interest. If I'm too busy to do a full post history on those 2, I'll do a gut feeling map of the people playing like I did last game.
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