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On May 23 2010 00:19 deL wrote:
It seemed more like FlaSh choked at the thought of that golden mouse there, and EffOrt surprisingly didn't succumb to the mental pressure that was applied by flash after manner CCing and then straight up raping him.
+1, Flash failed, Effort did nothing good in perticular (he played good of course but cmon...)
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I think what happened with the quality of the games was that up to the disc, game 1 was excellent. Effort pulled a good move in getting his drone in, and Flash only lost that valk because of lag from when the game screwed up.
After that, both players wait like 40 minutes and play like shit for the whole series. Flash thinking 'omg, again' and Effort says he was negatively affected too. I don't think Flash winning set 1 and 2 really changed that too much. All the games were lackluster after that. Decided by silly things like Effort not killing a vulture when it should be intercepted, not attacking tanks with his mutas... Flash making silly mistakes already mentioned on page 2. It's just like... Another finals ruined by KeSPA. lol. I think they were both equally disadvantaged, but it made the series suck. Flash no longer God mode, and Effort just being a regular mid-a player getting good opportunities and taking them in a standard fashion.
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1) Flash 14cc or FE is standard play for flash which leads to mid-late game advantage over his opponent. So why Flash didn't play standard on game 3 and 5? Should we go to that ' no one attacks for 10min period?'. Risky eco builds have their disadvantages.
2) As for game 4: Remember when Flash disqualified Effort, although he was already out, (Bachuss OSL) with that cheesy build? Pay up time Flashboys
3) "Flash was paid or set to lose". LOL. Well, why cry then about a valkyrie on 1set OR why so nervous and hustling hustling on 5set OR WHY HE WAS LOOKING LIKE 50 YEARS OLD when placed near Effort in the END? Is he really such a good actor?
Focus Flashboys, play some more sc other than fastest to get a more complete view on things.
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On May 23 2010 04:13 Chef wrote:
I think what happened with the quality of the games was that up to the disc, game 1 was excellent. Effort pulled a good move in getting his drone in, and Flash only lost that valk because of lag from when the game screwed up.
After that, both players wait like 40 minutes and play like shit for the whole series. Flash thinking 'omg, again' and Effort says he was negatively affected too. I don't think Flash winning set 1 and 2 really changed that too much. All the games were lackluster after that. Decided by silly things like Effort not killing a vulture when it should be intercepted, not attacking tanks with his mutas... Flash making silly mistakes already mentioned on page 2. It's just like... Another finals ruined by KeSPA. lol. I think they were both equally disadvantaged, but it made the series suck. Flash no longer God mode, and Effort just being a regular mid-a player getting good opportunities and taking them in a standard fashion.
The problem I have with that is that how does the delay affect Game 3-5, but not Game 1-2? Maybe it affected Effort, but how does a delay make Flash go from playing well, to playing in God mode, then back to being mortal?
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On May 23 2010 05:15 Purind wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 04:13 Chef wrote:
I think what happened with the quality of the games was that up to the disc, game 1 was excellent. Effort pulled a good move in getting his drone in, and Flash only lost that valk because of lag from when the game screwed up.
After that, both players wait like 40 minutes and play like shit for the whole series. Flash thinking 'omg, again' and Effort says he was negatively affected too. I don't think Flash winning set 1 and 2 really changed that too much. All the games were lackluster after that. Decided by silly things like Effort not killing a vulture when it should be intercepted, not attacking tanks with his mutas... Flash making silly mistakes already mentioned on page 2. It's just like... Another finals ruined by KeSPA. lol. I think they were both equally disadvantaged, but it made the series suck. Flash no longer God mode, and Effort just being a regular mid-a player getting good opportunities and taking them in a standard fashion. The problem I have with that is that how does the delay affect Game 3-5, but not Game 1-2? Maybe it affected Effort, but how does a delay make Flash go from playing well, to playing in God mode, then back to being mortal?
I'm so tired of pointing out the same thing again and again.
Flash did not magically start playing terribly in the third and fourth game. He played just as well as he had in the previous games, except EffOrt played significantly more aggressively, and got a little bit of luck on his side for once. In game five, well I'll give you that Flash screwed up his execution.
But this wasn't some bizarre accident, or a cloud over the sun, or a fly in your soup. Flash lost games three and four for the same reasons that he can lose any game. He was at a disadvantage.
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no man you forget that when flash loses it's because he suddenly decided to play sucky!!
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On May 23 2010 05:15 Purind wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 04:13 Chef wrote:
I think what happened with the quality of the games was that up to the disc, game 1 was excellent. Effort pulled a good move in getting his drone in, and Flash only lost that valk because of lag from when the game screwed up.
After that, both players wait like 40 minutes and play like shit for the whole series. Flash thinking 'omg, again' and Effort says he was negatively affected too. I don't think Flash winning set 1 and 2 really changed that too much. All the games were lackluster after that. Decided by silly things like Effort not killing a vulture when it should be intercepted, not attacking tanks with his mutas... Flash making silly mistakes already mentioned on page 2. It's just like... Another finals ruined by KeSPA. lol. I think they were both equally disadvantaged, but it made the series suck. Flash no longer God mode, and Effort just being a regular mid-a player getting good opportunities and taking them in a standard fashion. The problem I have with that is that how does the delay affect Game 3-5, but not Game 1-2? Maybe it affected Effort, but how does a delay make Flash go from playing well, to playing in God mode, then back to being mortal?
I'm not saying it didn't affect game 1 and 2. It did. All 5 games were not what I'd expect from either player. All games were decided by mistakes they wouldn't normally make. I think that were there no technically difficulties, Flash wouldn't have had flaws in his game that could be so violently affected by luck. I mean, because of this, the series was capable of going either way, rather than basically just Flash going 3:1 or something ridiculous. Flash didn't really catch any breaks in this series, and Effort caught a lot of them. Flash's wins were imperfect, and his losses were nasty things he doesn't normally let happen.
Obviously Flash could have just had an off day that had nothing to do with the incident, but it remains that he wasn't playing well except for the game that got canceled.
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I don't know if it was mentioned yet, but in the playback on game four, it showed that flash canceled one of his center raxes without seeing anything.
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is awesome32268 Posts
EffOrt had really nice gameplans.
On game 1 he did a nice block and grabbed expos fairly easy. He had overlords all over the map, forced Flash to stay on 2 base with the initial hydras and then got drop.
He had a lategame plan of killing tanks with broodlings to run over flash after a nice muta switch.
But Flash scanned that drop just in time and then punished EffOrt for grabbing too many bases without an army.
EffOrt's plan depended on that drop. Good play by Flash.
Game 2: EffOrt played bad here after having a huge lead. He had a nice muta defence but Flash just maphax scanned in 2 critical moments. EffOrt lost lots of scourge and as vessel numbers grew, there was nothing he could do to defend several places at once, not even with nydus.
The beauty of game 3 is not only the ling hiding, but the way EffOrt expanded. Flash thought EffOrt grabbed his natural as well (kind of a reversed Snow plan). So Flash is playing thinking EffOrt has 5 or so lings, spire going up (he saw the lair) and no sunkens. So he moves out to either kill the third, or force a ridiculous amount of sunkens (some on nat and a lot more in the third, since it has 3 entrances). EffOrt played good mind games here.
Games 4 and 5 have been commented on a lot by people and I agree with everyone's analysis on them.
Also Flash fans should stop calling it all in. Flash can only take macro risks so much before somebody punishes him for them. It happened to oov back then and it's what July used to beat some really good people.
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Game 1 - Power outage has allies ?
Game 3 - What ??
There was only 1 way to lose to these lings - out of many, many ways to not lose - and it was to screw it without medics. Had those m&m been in proper formation - lings would have died.
Effort tricked Flash into going out ? You don`t see a freakin natural hatchery, you see lings with speed - and you go o u t screwing your formation more than terribly ? Knowing the risk of going out, like what ? Why would you at all go out at this point, not to mention screwing up so badly ? And you do that while you r Flash ? This was absolutely ridiculous imo : o
Game 4 - You do a BBS in one of the first places to be scouted by zerg ? Then you screw up to even place your scv`s in a proper line ?
Game 5 - You get BO countered ?
Eh, I don`t know but watching these finals, I just kept thinking about this match fixing crap, even though its not too propable with damn osl final :/
Still, how can you tell ? Its $$$$, e-sports is hurting very badly so finals would need to be exciting, a stright up 3-0 would screw popularity even further, after that match fixing.
I guess I`m totally, completely over-interpretating facts though, so nevermind that.
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Effort didn't go into game 5 thinking he was going to ling all-in though. He built a lair and had about 600 gas at the end of the game, clearly it was going to be a 2-hatch muta build like the one ZerO, HyuN, and Jaedong beat Flash with. I think that even if Flash had played standard he would have skipped a turret or something and lost to what would have been very early mutas.
Effort tricked Flash into going out ? You don`t see a freakin natural hatchery, you see lings with speed - and you go o u t screwing your formation more than terribly ? Knowing the risk of going out ? And you do that while you r Flash ?
Flash thought Effort was doing the same early 3-base build from game 2 that he almost lost to. If he doesn't move out there's a chance he has a huge disadvantage economically.
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On May 23 2010 07:08 jalstar wrote:Effort didn't go into game 5 thinking he was going to ling all-in though. He built a lair and had about 600 gas at the end of the game, clearly it was going to be a 2-hatch muta build like the one ZerO, HyuN, and Jaedong beat Flash with. I think that even if Flash had played standard he would have skipped a turret or something and lost to what would have been very early mutas. Show nested quote +Effort tricked Flash into going out ? You don`t see a freakin natural hatchery, you see lings with speed - and you go o u t screwing your formation more than terribly ? Knowing the risk of going out ? And you do that while you r Flash ? Flash thought Effort was doing the same early 3-base build from game 2 that he almost lost to. If he doesn't move out there's a chance he has a huge disadvantage economically.
But he saw quick gas and speed so he knew there couldn`t be a 3rd hatchery unless it would be mb a 3 hatch ling so ....
Mb he really choked
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Okay, my theory is that Flash gulped down an energy drink before the fight, but because of the hardware problems and the delay resultying from it, the energy drink didn't last long enough and theresfore he crashed in the last few games.
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is awesome32268 Posts
On May 23 2010 07:14 UFO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 07:08 jalstar wrote:Effort didn't go into game 5 thinking he was going to ling all-in though. He built a lair and had about 600 gas at the end of the game, clearly it was going to be a 2-hatch muta build like the one ZerO, HyuN, and Jaedong beat Flash with. I think that even if Flash had played standard he would have skipped a turret or something and lost to what would have been very early mutas. Effort tricked Flash into going out ? You don`t see a freakin natural hatchery, you see lings with speed - and you go o u t screwing your formation more than terribly ? Knowing the risk of going out ? And you do that while you r Flash ? Flash thought Effort was doing the same early 3-base build from game 2 that he almost lost to. If he doesn't move out there's a chance he has a huge disadvantage economically. But he saw quick gas and speed so he knew there couldn`t be a 3rd hatchery unless it would be mb a 3 hatch ling so .... Mb he really choked
EffOrt could get 3 bases with a spire if Flash went passive 14cc (like he did in game 2). It was a similar setup to game 2. Just with close positions, so Flash thought he could punish EffOrt this time, EffOrt set the game up to kill Flash on the spot.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
lol @ ppl saying effort didnt have to do much
guess u guys were too stupid to see the unreal fakeout tricks he did game 3/5, thats stuff u VERY rarely see
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On May 23 2010 02:36 Chef wrote:
Go Jaedong. You'll probably lose to triple bunker rush now.
keep your chef curse away from jaedong 
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rekrul is right, effort's gameplay in the last 3 sets was top notch. he didn't take it to late game against Flash because he knows he has much less of a chance to win there... that doesn't make his play any less good, just different.
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On May 23 2010 08:04 Rekrul wrote:
lol @ flash fans saying effort didnt have to do much
guess u guys were too stupid to see the unreal fakeout tricks he did game 3/5, thats stuff u VERY rarely see
fixed for you 
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On May 23 2010 08:04 Rekrul wrote:
lol @ ppl saying effort didnt have to do much
guess u guys were too stupid to see the unreal fakeout tricks he did game 3/5, thats stuff u VERY rarely see
I completely agree, shit he pulled in those games were jaw-dropping. So sad that I was only awake to see the first two games. Eventually gave in to sleeping T_T.
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But Flash scanned that drop just in time and then punished EffOrt for grabbing too many bases without an army.
T'was a vulture, my friend. Not a legendary scan by Flash, just routine scouting that Effort should have blocked. Maybe if he blocked it Flash would have gotten suspicious and scanned, but this way he didn't even have to.
Effort had an interesting build in game 3, but he won because Flash lost his marines to speedlings That would have been huge clever build or no, and I don't think Effort really lured Flash into making that mistake... Flash saw the speedlings while defending didn't he? He just moved out anyway when he got his meds.
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