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[SPOILERS] Thoughts on Flash vs Effort - Page 5

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kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
May 25 2010 00:57 GMT
#81
On May 22 2010 22:34 eSen1a wrote:
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On May 22 2010 22:25 Wonders wrote:
It seemed to suddenly all fall into place for Effort.



Game 4: Effort sent his first overlord straight at the center, and guess what. Furthermore Flash didn't block his ramp at all after he killed the first lot of lings, and let a ling get in and scout the starport, which sealed it.


oh did he actually scout the starport? i thought he hadn't ... also he scouted the dropships too, and had already moved his hydras back expecting it

Commentators said he didn't scout the Starport.
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Harem
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United States11393 Posts
May 25 2010 03:48 GMT
#82
On May 25 2010 09:57 kOre wrote:
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On May 22 2010 22:34 eSen1a wrote:
On May 22 2010 22:25 Wonders wrote:
It seemed to suddenly all fall into place for Effort.



Game 4: Effort sent his first overlord straight at the center, and guess what. Furthermore Flash didn't block his ramp at all after he killed the first lot of lings, and let a ling get in and scout the starport, which sealed it.


oh did he actually scout the starport? i thought he hadn't ... also he scouted the dropships too, and had already moved his hydras back expecting it

Commentators said he didn't scout the Starport.

Replay shows that he had scouted starport.
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Danka
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Peru1018 Posts
May 26 2010 18:07 GMT
#83
what about game 5. did effort always plan to all in ling or was it an in game / on the spot decision?

what do you think?
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 01:01:41
May 27 2010 00:59 GMT
#84
His build wasn't a ling all-in build. The 12hatch 11gas 10pool build is specifically tailored to strike fast with speedlings to lower marine count in order to allow the initial mutalisks to deliver more damage. If Effort didn't sneak his lings into Flash's main, then he probably wouldn't have decided to rally both hatcheries and pump lings. The first time I can remember the 12hatch 11gas 10pool being used was back in Blue Storm by the Zerg Twins (Yarnc and Luxury), when one of them said that the build was very strong on the map. I'm not sure if it's them that devised it, but it wouldn't be too unlikely.
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