EPT[SPOILERS] Thoughts on Flash vs Effort - Page 2
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
How does Movie ever beat him when he only has half the APM? I know that there was some sort of interview that said Movie beat Effort in practice fairly often. | ||
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
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fearus
China2164 Posts
He panicked and decided to bring his mutas back which wasn't really needed, he could have kept his Mutas running rampant in Flash's base. | ||
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Tuke
Finland1666 Posts
On May 23 2010 01:29 KinosJourney2 wrote: Im so pissed off that Flash lost that, im a Effort hater from now on -_- I can't really tell if this was sarcasm or not because you made CJ face, but honestly, I've never understood this kind of logic. If your favourite player loses to some other player, why you start to hate the player he just lost to? | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On May 23 2010 01:27 jalstar wrote: Effort has 450 APM now so he was able to micro perfectly and win before Flash's macro kicked in for three straight games. How does Movie ever beat him when he only has half the APM? I know that there was some sort of interview that said Movie beat Effort in practice fairly often. Uhh..because having higher APM doesn't mean you will win. It never has and never will, it doesn't even necessarily mean you have better mechanics. (See: D+ Koreans with 400 APM) Might as well ask how Stork and Fantasy ever beat anyone.. | ||
Harem
United States11390 Posts
On May 22 2010 23:49 Wonders wrote: I don't think Flash would've moved out *at all* if Effort hadn't lost those zerglings. Every good player knows that moving out, even if just to force sunkens, is how you capitalize on an opponent's mistake of losing a few lings. Maybe I remember the circumstances incorrectly, but I'll just have to wait for the vods to see. Vod up now. | ||
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FlameSworD
United States414 Posts
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Nal_rAwr
United States2611 Posts
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Tuke
Finland1666 Posts
On May 23 2010 02:13 Nal_rAwr wrote: effort won without doing a single thing That idra meme does not work at all here. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11549 Posts
On May 22 2010 23:31 Hot_Bid wrote: Game 4, OGN replay showed Effort fully scouting the starport with the ling. Game 5, I believe Effort was going for 2H muta but once he saw 14cc he went ling attack. Yeah he was going for 2 hatch muta, but switched straight into allin lings hahaa | ||
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InfiniteIce
United States794 Posts
I was thinking maybe golden mouse on 3-0 is just way too easy, not exciting enough for him, lose 2 games for more pressure and more excitement ^^ Smelled like Savior was at this match for a while, seriously... but no, really i think flash just got cocky and started slipping...lose game 3, lost his momentum. No longer undefeated, can't win golden mouse all 3-0 anymore...i think that got in his head... so game 4 he tries to cheese, effort had a super nice flank/surround move on the marines...really good scouting by effort saved himself in game 3/4. Effort then capitalized on Flash's play style, i think, for game 5...he knows flash will revert back to his standard long game macro playstyle, after losing game 3 (seriously looked like an intentional loss, but only this game ^^) and trying cheese rush in game 4...so of course flash will go back to standard early CC long game playstyle...and the classic zergling rush was just right, especially on match point. The player on the top of that map has a slight disadvantage due to the ramp orientations on the expo, IMO, as well, and Flash lost focus, too busy looking at the hot ass BoothGirl in Effort's room or something...fast expo (12 CC is SO RISKY on match point vs zerg!!!) Disappointing finals I think, but well played by effort in capitalizing on Flash's missteps. Congrats...... My thoughts  | ||
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InfiniteIce
United States794 Posts
On May 23 2010 01:39 fearus wrote: Any1 felt that Effort could have won Game 2, when flash was pressuring his 3rd and he had mutas all over Flashs rax. He panicked and decided to bring his mutas back which wasn't really needed, he could have kept his Mutas running rampant in Flash's base. Yes, definitely was thinking that at the time!!! Totally agree, it was a panic move, but that's his own mistake that cost him game 2... I really thought he was going to basetrade, but instead flies mutas all the way back and just waste time.. by the time he got back to his 3rd, the marines were all dead from sunkens anyway. Mutas could have just sat doing nothing and effort would have been in good shape. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
Every time I want a player to win, he loses. If you ever want to bet on StarCraft, and you're not a progamer, just ask me who I like and vote against that player. The first player I started to watch was sAviOr. At the time I wasn't really sure if I liked him, but I just watched games he was involved in, because they were always epic. Finally, I'm in love with him and he goes and loses 3:0 to BiSu. Bullshit. Next I start following Type-B, just for shits and giggles because I wrote a story about him and thought it would be funny. He wasn't winning before I wrote about him, but suddenly he starts doing kinda well and I start to think 'holy shit, this kid might go the distance.' Then he loses to Yarnc. Bullshit. Okay, Yarnc is good at zvz, so not really, but still. Then last OSL I wasn't really in love with Flash. I like watching his games, the same way I liked watching Savior's games. I'd followed him since his debut, but this time around I really wanted Movie to fighting his way to a victory because I think he's a really creative player. Kid gets slaughtered. Bullshit. Now Flash is winning and I'm like, okay, Legend Killer vs Ultimate Weapon. I want Legend Killer to win but... Not like this fuck. Bullshit. Savior and Type-B get caught rigging games. Seriously? Type B? Bullshit. Now it's these finals, and Flash is the man I'm rooting for. Freaking unstoppable tank terran with balls big enough to fill the entire aircraft hanger. I figure this is basically just like random practice matches before he takes the real fight, Jaedong. 2 games in I'm like "YES YES. God would have to really hate me to make me watch Flash lose. Bullshit bullshit bullshit. I actually liked Effort for awhile, but I stopped following him and didn't really care anymore. Now, just when I don't give a shit about Effort, he goes and pulls fighting~ zerg style like he's JulyZerg or something. Bullshit. Now the MSL isn't going to be nearly as epic. Yesterday it was two unstoppable Tyrants who haven't lost in like a billion games, now it's a battered Flash vs a blood thirsty Jaedong. So maybe Flash will be out to take revenge on his OSL on Jaedong. So maybe he was saving his best strategies for Jaedong. It's still bullshit. GRRRRR. Go Jaedong. You'll probably lose to triple bunker rush now. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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shinjin
United States398 Posts
On May 23 2010 00:31 XiaoJoyce- wrote: 3-0 Free, 3-0 Pure, Almost 3-0 Effort. But effort reverse all-kill turning it into 2-3.. i know right...... im so depressed flash : [ yeah, i kept thinking of flash as some invincible starcraft machine i guess the expectations were too high, there was no way i thought effort would win now im worried about jaedong lol | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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Chef
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