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[SPOILERS] Thoughts on Flash vs Effort

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Wonders
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Australia753 Posts
May 22 2010 13:25 GMT
#1
It seemed to suddenly all fall into place for Effort.

Game 3: I don't know if this was mentioned in the live report thread, but just before Flash lost his first lot of marines, Effort lost about 5 lings in failed attempts to harass scvs. I'm quite sure he lost those lings deliberately. He clearly knew that he couldn't do any damage with so many marines around and flash's level of micro. He sacrificed those 5 lings to give Flash the confidence to move out without medics straight away. Flash didn't think Effort would make that many lings.

Game 4: Effort sent his first overlord straight at the center, and guess what. Furthermore Flash didn't block his ramp at all after he killed the first lot of lings, and let a ling get in and scout the starport, which sealed it.

Game 5: This was half a build order counter. 14cc (it was actually a 12cc if you watched the supplies closely, but 12cc/13cc are all called 14cc for some reason) is fine against a usual 12 hatch 11 pool 10 gas build, but Effort did a gas before pool build. This let him get lair AND ling speed as soon as the pool finished. His ling speed was so fast that it was almost done when the first lings arrived at Flash's base. Flash blocked the choke nicely, but there were actually 2 entrances, including the path around the back of the minerals. Flash didn't block it all (a second blocking depot would've helped a lot), and lost.

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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
May 22 2010 13:30 GMT
#2
On May 22 2010 22:25 Wonders wrote:
It seemed to suddenly all fall into place for Effort.

Game 3: I don't know if this was mentioned in the live report thread, but just before Flash lost his first lot of marines, Effort lost about 5 lings in failed attempts to harass scvs. I'm quite sure he lost those lings deliberately. He clearly knew that he couldn't do any damage with so many marines around and flash's level of micro. He sacrificed those 5 lings to give Flash the confidence to move out without medics straight away. Flash didn't think Effort would make that many lings.

Effort also hid the majority of his lings by the bridge while only showing 3 which was really sick too.
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eSen1a
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1058 Posts
May 22 2010 13:34 GMT
#3
On May 22 2010 22:25 Wonders wrote:
It seemed to suddenly all fall into place for Effort.



Game 4: Effort sent his first overlord straight at the center, and guess what. Furthermore Flash didn't block his ramp at all after he killed the first lot of lings, and let a ling get in and scout the starport, which sealed it.


oh did he actually scout the starport? i thought he hadn't ... also he scouted the dropships too, and had already moved his hydras back expecting it
Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 13:35:27
May 22 2010 13:35 GMT
#4
Game 3 If that was deliberate then EffOrt is genius
Game 4 EffOrt played pretty close to perfect

I just wish sAviOr was there to celebrate with him ):

On May 22 2010 22:34 eSen1a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 22:25 Wonders wrote:
It seemed to suddenly all fall into place for Effort.



Game 4: Effort sent his first overlord straight at the center, and guess what. Furthermore Flash didn't block his ramp at all after he killed the first lot of lings, and let a ling get in and scout the starport, which sealed it.


oh did he actually scout the starport? i thought he hadn't ... also he scouted the dropships too, and had already moved his hydras back expecting it

hihi, in the replay after the game it showed that he barely seen the starport ^^
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Sky.Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
United States271 Posts
May 22 2010 13:36 GMT
#5
what was the score
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chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2599 Posts
May 22 2010 13:38 GMT
#6
Effort 3-2 Flash
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Sky.Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
United States271 Posts
May 22 2010 13:40 GMT
#7
.....what the fuck flash.
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mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 13:54:14
May 22 2010 13:46 GMT
#8
Game 4 was best game. Extreme patience in defense and clutch lurker timing.

Game 3 was genius and ballsy trickery by Effort.
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
May 22 2010 13:55 GMT
#9
On May 22 2010 22:34 eSen1a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 22:25 Wonders wrote:
It seemed to suddenly all fall into place for Effort.



Game 4: Effort sent his first overlord straight at the center, and guess what. Furthermore Flash didn't block his ramp at all after he killed the first lot of lings, and let a ling get in and scout the starport, which sealed it.


oh did he actually scout the starport? i thought he hadn't ... also he scouted the dropships too, and had already moved his hydras back expecting it

Yeah, in first person view after he game they showed him scouting it.
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WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
May 22 2010 13:59 GMT
#10
sounds like a sick comeback. cant wait for jon747 uploads.
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
May 22 2010 14:07 GMT
#11
On May 22 2010 22:59 OneFierceZealot wrote:
sounds like a sick comeback. cant wait for jon747 uploads.


check nevake too, zatic has been uploading really quick lately.
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unionbank
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia666 Posts
May 22 2010 14:14 GMT
#12
It was all planned out very well with that hatchery very close to Flash's base getting out those muta's into combat just that extra bit faster. He baited with the hatchery he won with the hatchery. ZERG STYLE BABBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBEARYEAHHHHHHH
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Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
May 22 2010 14:14 GMT
#13
Before game 4 started they showed a recap of game 3. Once Effort had scouted the proxy rax and gotten some lings, he attacked Flash's ramp and got a drone inside Flash's Base. While the marines were dealing with the lings, Effort got a good scout on the fast factory. Later he spotted the Starport with the ling yadayadayada. Well deserved OSL title. Coming back from 0-2 vs. Flash is sick beyond words.
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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
May 22 2010 14:20 GMT
#14
I thought Game 1 was the best game.
Effort hit right as 1-1 finished but the idea and his quick 3 base build were neat.
The queen to mass muta and such...

Games 3 4 5 were great lol.
Game 3
I don't think the deliberate loss is really it; Flash had medics right behind, the 1-2 second difference in move-out wasn't decided by efforts ling loss imo. Chance? no, Effort needed those lings to buy time in case Flash did move out anyways and happened to see a bad formation and baped Flash for it. Baped. Well played.
Game 4 was poorly played on Flash's half imo. His original hold with 3 marines and scvs were really sloppy leaving himself very few marines after he had lifted the rax and left himself prone. Also the ling got to see the lack of everything in Flash's base cept add-on+ a missing fact or star so I think effort pieced together the puzzle pretty quick. From there Flash had to really desperately try to hurt him and he came up with double drop. Nice starsense from Effort, I wonder if that's a common gameplan but I dunno. But yeah, double drop, too little too late.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36400 Posts
May 22 2010 14:31 GMT
#15
Game 4, OGN replay showed Effort fully scouting the starport with the ling.

Game 5, I believe Effort was going for 2H muta but once he saw 14cc he went ling attack.
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
May 22 2010 14:32 GMT
#16
When I saw Flash 2-0, I thought he would win 3-0 and I stopped following finals. Haha, I was so wrong.
Wonders
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Australia753 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 14:49:31
May 22 2010 14:49 GMT
#17
On May 22 2010 23:20 SuperJongMan wrote:
Games 3 4 5 were great lol.
Game 3
I don't think the deliberate loss is really it; Flash had medics right behind, the 1-2 second difference in move-out wasn't decided by efforts ling loss imo. Chance? no, Effort needed those lings to buy time in case Flash did move out anyways and happened to see a bad formation and baped Flash for it. Baped. Well played.


I don't think Flash would've moved out *at all* if Effort hadn't lost those zerglings. Every good player knows that moving out, even if just to force sunkens, is how you capitalize on an opponent's mistake of losing a few lings. Maybe I remember the circumstances incorrectly, but I'll just have to wait for the vods to see.
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
May 22 2010 15:19 GMT
#18
It seemed more like FlaSh choked at the thought of that golden mouse there, and EffOrt surprisingly didn't succumb to the mental pressure that was applied by flash after manner CCing and then straight up raping him.
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XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
May 22 2010 15:31 GMT
#19
3-0 Free, 3-0 Pure, Almost 3-0 Effort. But effort reverse all-kill turning it into 2-3..
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JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
May 22 2010 15:46 GMT
#20
On May 22 2010 23:49 Wonders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 23:20 SuperJongMan wrote:
Games 3 4 5 were great lol.
Game 3
I don't think the deliberate loss is really it; Flash had medics right behind, the 1-2 second difference in move-out wasn't decided by efforts ling loss imo. Chance? no, Effort needed those lings to buy time in case Flash did move out anyways and happened to see a bad formation and baped Flash for it. Baped. Well played.


I don't think Flash would've moved out *at all* if Effort hadn't lost those zerglings. Every good player knows that moving out, even if just to force sunkens, is how you capitalize on an opponent's mistake of losing a few lings. Maybe I remember the circumstances incorrectly, but I'll just have to wait for the vods to see.

And he moved out with marines in a single line, which gave the lings a huge opportunity. Had they been at a better position it wouldve been more even trade (well not sure with going just memory), probably effort didnt have it planned to attack them right there even if he conciously lured flash to make the move.
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