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On December 27 2009 07:15 SkelA wrote: Im not A-/A rank player lol ! ^^ MAybe B/B+
But i consider my theorycrafting and game understanding at A-/A just my poor mechanics always betray me in games ^^
I was just going off of highest achieved rank without abuse ....
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Jaedong is my favorite player ever since he began playing and I STILL don't understand the hate that everyone was/is spewing. So what he got knocked out of this OSL by really good cheese by the best terran in the world..he has three of those trophies and IMO Flash deserves another one.
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"So yes, the Flash / Jaedong Game 2 was a disappointment"
Nope, I liked it a lot, and it lived up to my expectations.
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On December 27 2009 06:13 SkelA wrote: derp derp derp derp derp derp imbalanced derp derp derp
flash does this for a living and you want him to play straight up and possibly lose just to entertain you, yeah thats reasonable
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jaedong can't handle cheeses. Maybe he should work on that part of his game. he lost his chance at a proleague championship last season in a similar fashion, you'd think he'd learn his lesson right now. but too bad. the better player advances. flash>jaedong easily
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On December 27 2009 09:44 hugitout wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2009 06:13 SkelA wrote: derp derp derp derp derp derp imbalanced derp derp derp
flash does this for a living and you want him to play straight up and possibly lose just to entertain you, yeah thats reasonable
..... I said Flash planned briliant strategy and executed it perfectly and i like more cheese tense games than epic macrofests. Im disapointed because Flash just didnt give JD even a chance because he is so fucking good using his genious mind together with using the map to the fullest.
Your stupid post makes no sense at all.
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On December 27 2009 09:56 ProbeSaturation wrote: jaedong can't handle cheeses. Maybe he should work on that part of his game. he lost his chance at a proleague championship last season in a similar fashion, you'd think he'd learn his lesson right now. but too bad. the better player advances. flash>jaedong easily He can't handle it the first time, but he's good to go after one time. The thing you have to realize is, all the good cheeses are used first on Jaedong, because he's that good.
I mean, you have Fantsy @ Medusa, Skyhigh @ Destination, and Flash @ HBR, all who have come out with a build that basically kills zerg the first time it's used. How many other zergs do you see being rushed so often?
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On December 27 2009 10:05 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2009 09:56 ProbeSaturation wrote: jaedong can't handle cheeses. Maybe he should work on that part of his game. he lost his chance at a proleague championship last season in a similar fashion, you'd think he'd learn his lesson right now. but too bad. the better player advances. flash>jaedong easily He can't handle it the first time, but he's good to go after one time. The thing you have to realize is, all the good cheeses are used first on Jaedong, because he's that good. I mean, you have Fantsy @ Medusa, Skyhigh @ Destination, and Flash @ HBR, all who have come out with a build that basically kills zerg the first time it's used. How many other zergs do you see being rushed so often?
This is definitely true.
Though Savior did have a knack for stopping EVERYTHING non-standard back in the day. But that was a different age (and Savior was really on a different level mentally - it was ridiculous).
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It feels like Jaedong has a little Idra in him. Or maybe Idra has a little Jaedong in him... either way - extremely confident but ultimately reliant on masterful mechanics rather than game intelligence. Not saying Jaedong doesn't have ANY, but he doesn't seem to be able to adapt as well as other players. He's either winning big or losing horribly in most of his games, not sure what that says about him to be honest.
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On December 27 2009 11:04 Fzero wrote: It feels like Jaedong has a little Idra in him. Or maybe Idra has a little Jaedong in him... either way - extremely confident but ultimately reliant on masterful mechanics rather than game intelligence. Not saying Jaedong doesn't have ANY, but he doesn't seem to be able to adapt as well as other players. He's either winning big or losing horribly in most of his games, not sure what that says about him to be honest. No... that's not true.
Whether you're talking about Jaedong OR Idra, they both have great knowledge of the game.
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On December 27 2009 08:19 Sadist wrote: lol @ blaming the map for JD losing an ovie. Proxy rax is so common on HBR. He should have just sucked it up and 9 drone scouted. Dont blame the map on that at all. Flash just came out with a really solid plan and the assumption that JD would scout the way he did. Thats all there is to it really. Erm....
It seems you missed something really important in that game. Map was everything. Notice that this was Neo HBR as opposed to vanilla HBR. In old HBR, it is possible to send the ovie scout in that same path jaedong took, and use the little cliff there to hide in case of a 7 rax or something. Neo HBR replaces this cliff with walkable terrain, so there is absolutely no place for the overlord to hide. In fact, there is no way to send an overlord scout across neo hbr without risking a snipe from a 7 rax.
Flash realized this and centered his strategy on sniping that first overlord on its map transit. The only way to not loose that overlord is to not send it at all. Flash thought (correctly) that Jaedong would send the overlord out of habit without realizing the new strategy formed by the map change to neo HBR. This was the brilliance of Flash's strategy in that game.
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OK reading the first/second page really pisses me off.
1. cz's posts were perfectly fine, he's arguing against SkelA's stupid post about how the build is "invisible" (trying to spell invincible) and that there was nothing to stop it. He never clarified that he was referring to the Flash vs JD game PARTICULARLY. 2. zulu, I have no idea why you would want to call out cz when SkelA made such a stupid post. SkelA sounded like such an ignorant JD fan in his posts whereas cz actually had some substance to his posts.
On December 27 2009 06:49 SkelA wrote: Geez Im saying that that strategy cant be countered by JD IN THAT GAME because was the first time ever executed in a tv game and JD couldnt counter because of the lost ovi. No matter what a build can still be countered lmfao. Just because JD had no knowledge of the build doesn't mean that the build couldn't be countered.
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Sorry CZ is right skela should have been clearer it was obvious what cz was thinking but not what skela was trying to say. No need to get angry at him for arguing what in his mind was a valid point.
About the OP I agree fully - the fact that two great SC minds are meeting is enough hype, it doesn't have to be a 45 minute back-and-forth game with queens and valkyries to live up to expectations.
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Yeah but the thing is SkelA explained his point (by mentioning that Z would be OK if they didn't scout the opponent with their first overlord) a few posts later and for some reason cz kept arguing. Oh and then he suggested "up to 8pool" lol.
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Let's face it, terrans have the most options @ high level starcraft play. I mean, it's kinda balanced that way because terran is so hard to learn and master but you kinda deserve a reward for your effort, so they give you a race that's extremely adaptable on the maps and can fuck around with the most openings. Seems reasonable to me.
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Jeez people simmer down!!! It was a good game and if your income depended on winning you would do anything it took to get there!
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4 pages of discution? JD will do 9 Scout in this map im sure about it
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I was going to make a "ro8 OSL Cheese pisses Hitler off" to add some satire to the situation, but I actually ran out of things to complain about halfway through subbing the video.
No joke
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Sure, I was pissed that Jaedong lost to Flash in such a gay way, but after a few hours, I just accepted it. Starcraft is meant to be merciless and that's why it's such a perfect game for e-sports.
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