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While you're here decon:
Let me ask you something, was rels simply posting alot of words enough for you to remove your vote, or was it something that he actually said that suggests to you he isn't mafia?
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On August 31 2022 22:19 Jockmcplop wrote:While you're here decon: Show nested quote +Let me ask you something, was rels simply posting alot of words enough for you to remove your vote, or was it something that he actually said that suggests to you he isn't mafia?
Just posting was enough - as I said in the original vote it was for 'Posting the bare minimum to not get modkilled'
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Speaking of which - what has Vivax done to convince you to unvote him?
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On August 31 2022 22:21 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 22:19 Jockmcplop wrote:While you're here decon: Let me ask you something, was rels simply posting alot of words enough for you to remove your vote, or was it something that he actually said that suggests to you he isn't mafia? Just posting was enough - as I said in the original vote it was for 'Posting the bare minimum to not get modkilled'
ok thanks.
This reads to me like a very shallow way to assign your vote. I was hoping you had some reasoning beyond that for removing your vote tbh. I thought rels' posting last night was hella scummy, as i posted earlier and DI also posted about (and did a better job of it than i did tbh).
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On August 31 2022 22:21 deconduo wrote:
Speaking of which - what has Vivax done to convince you to unvote him?
Already answered.
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On August 31 2022 21:38 Jockmcplop wrote:
Also koshi has made a fairly convincing case for letting vivax live for now.
I am also giving rels some credit for that too, hence the vote for decon.
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On August 31 2022 22:24 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 22:21 deconduo wrote:On August 31 2022 22:19 Jockmcplop wrote:While you're here decon: Let me ask you something, was rels simply posting alot of words enough for you to remove your vote, or was it something that he actually said that suggests to you he isn't mafia? Just posting was enough - as I said in the original vote it was for 'Posting the bare minimum to not get modkilled' ok thanks. This reads to me like a very shallow way to assign your vote. I was hoping you had some reasoning beyond that for removing your vote tbh. I thought rels' posting last night was hella scummy, as i posted earlier and DI also posted about (and did a better job of it than i did tbh).
I never pretended it was anything else. Pretty standard day 1 pressure vote to get inactives active. Active just means posting, I don't expect anyone to instantly write a page of awesome scumhuting. I don't expect everyone to be an awesome scumhunting wizard on day 1.
Maybe I just have low standards
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On August 31 2022 22:14 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 22:09 CopCake wrote:On August 31 2022 22:05 deconduo wrote:On August 31 2022 22:04 CopCake wrote:On August 31 2022 21:57 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 31 2022 21:53 deconduo wrote:On August 31 2022 21:24 Jockmcplop wrote:I'm getting a tinfoil about rels and decon. They're both in my mafia list anyway, but the way they read each other is weird. Rels reading decon: On August 31 2022 11:40 Rels wrote:On August 31 2022 11:29 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 31 2022 11:24 Rels wrote:
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This it it right for dec? Pretty much. There wasn't much to say at the time because all of his posts turned out to be jokes as soon as anyone questioned them. So that's all there is to analyse, and it looks pretty scummy to me. I see what you mean reading his filter in isolation. Not a lot of substance. But while reading the actual game, I thought his interactions were pretty natural. He accepts that the reason i read him as scum is both true and valid, but then counters with 'but it looks natural'. That's a very weak way to counter the points made against decon. Of course, I'm open to the possibility that this is just rels hedging and not necessarily a link that makes them both mafia. On August 31 2022 04:36 deconduo wrote:
Matt will either appear or be killed off at this point so
##Vote: Rels for now, posting just enough to not get modkilled All rels has to do is turn up and post some, which he promptly does. Then decon quickly unvotes him without further participation. On August 31 2022 19:48 deconduo wrote:
Rels is alive, that's good.
##: Unvote The whole thing looks mutually weird. ----- I know this isn't some massive case but its not just me, right? Rels had made 3 posts and everyone else (except Chez) was contributing. -> Pressure vote on Rels made 2 pages of posts -> pressure vote off Not really much more to it Like I said before, don't argue against my case, go find scum. If you think my case is weak, maybe i'm scum, so figure out why and tell us. So far you haven't done any of this. A pressure vote is only good if it leads somewhere. Let me ask you something, was rels simply posting alot of words enough for you to remove your vote, or was it something that he actually said that suggests to you he isn't mafia? Because if he is mafia, telling him that you are voting for him because he hasn't posted much and then immediately removing your votes from him when he posts more words isn't a great way to put pressure on someone. This is top tier town. I dunno, feels a bit forced/tryhard? Maybe its just me The mindset is pretty townie. He is sure about you but gives space for you to hunt mafia. If he is wrong, then he is wrong, we all make mistakes as town. 'Here is a case against you - but no no you can't respond to all the faults in it. Go hunt scum' It's protecting himself against any criticism against holes in the case, and either: - I don't find scum and he pushes a lynch while sitting back happy - I find scum - he takes credit for 'forcing me to go hunt'Very convenient.
I think you are wrong there. Any respectable town wouldn't take credit for something like that.
Regardless if he "forces you" or not, as town we need to look for the scum. We share a same goal.
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On August 31 2022 22:27 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 21:38 Jockmcplop wrote:
Also koshi has made a fairly convincing case for letting vivax live for now.
I am also giving rels some credit for that too, hence the vote for decon.
On August 31 2022 16:23 Koshi wrote:
Lynching/shooting Vivax on D1/N1 is just fucking dumb. We all know the guy is an easy catch later on.
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This case? What makes Vivax so easy to catch?
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On August 31 2022 22:29 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 22:27 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 31 2022 21:38 Jockmcplop wrote:
Also koshi has made a fairly convincing case for letting vivax live for now.
I am also giving rels some credit for that too, hence the vote for decon. Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 16:23 Koshi wrote:
Lynching/shooting Vivax on D1/N1 is just fucking dumb. We all know the guy is an easy catch later on.
. This case? What makes Vivax so easy to catch?
Mostly koshi's confidence that he can do so (I currently have koshi as a pretty strong townread), but also vivax can get stressed out as mafia and start posting very unpredictably.
This is with the caveat that in more recent games as mafia vivax has been pretty good (at least before i took a hiatus from playing).
Rels also said something like 'vivax hasn't started playing yet' which is a fair-ish point.
Anyway my vote on vivax was never really based on a case, more that i expected him to be tunnelling on someone by the time i put my vote on him.
I feel my case on you is much, much stronger.
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I could change my vote for rels.
But I want to know what people think of my MZ case?
I put effort and boom, ignored in the sand.
I also wonder why chezinu voted me.
And from now on I should call Jock as Detective J.
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On August 31 2022 23:02 CopCake wrote:
I could change my vote for rels.
But I want to know what people think of my MZ case?
I put effort and boom, ignored in the sand.
I also wonder why chezinu voted me.
And from now on I should call Jock as Detective J.
That‘s the trashcan meta advantage, people can‘t ignore you if they think you could be scum
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On August 31 2022 12:36 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 10:34 Rels wrote:I have this post saved on a tab by Slam, that I thought was very scummy: On August 30 2022 13:35 Alakaslam wrote:On August 30 2022 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 03:47 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 03:36 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 03:28 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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lol? did you skip HF post on purpose? Which post and whatsm i supposed to do eith it? Was wondering why you didn't address this post: On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb  What? But responded to the very next one: On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:I'm town Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else? But then you posted your clarification at the same time I posted my question Am I wrong or was his clarification to do with a totally different post, not the 'lol?' or hf's post? Confused. He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later) So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting. Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless. I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond. _____ I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back. deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this: On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote:
Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding. What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo? Lol until I saw this shit I was gonna SR you by pointing out you were too fucking bitter but then remembered that bitterness is not alignment indicative  It's extremely forced, for a player that I think always posts random stuff without thinking about it. I don't believe he really had the thought process he described. If I may what do you think my townie reaction would be instead? As scum the thought process is obvious in light of your post. The reason I ask, is that I did in fact have that thought process...
like, this is what you said:
On August 30 2022 13:35 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2022 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 03:47 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 03:36 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 03:28 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:I'm town Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else? lol? did you skip HF post on purpose? Which post and whatsm i supposed to do eith it? Was wondering why you didn't address this post: On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb What? But responded to the very next one: On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:I'm town Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else? But then you posted your clarification at the same time I posted my question Am I wrong or was his clarification to do with a totally different post, not the 'lol?' or hf's post? Confused. He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later) So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting. Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless. I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond. _____ I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back. deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this: On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote:
Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding. What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo? Lol until I saw this shit I was gonna SR you by pointing out you were too fucking bitter but then remembered that bitterness is not alignment indicative
so before reading that particular post, you thought rayn was bitter and scummy right? But rayn was not bitter at all in post previous to that one? Here they are:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb On August 30 2022 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:I'm town Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else? lol? On August 30 2022 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb This shoud actually read "this game" at the start, phoneposting is phoneposting On August 30 2022 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2022 03:24 CopCake wrote:On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb Are you talking of a past game or? Yeah, well i was prodding Vivax but since i mistyped the post already went to waste. On August 30 2022 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2022 03:28 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:I'm town Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else? lol? did you skip HF post on purpose? Which post and whatsm i supposed to do eith it? On August 30 2022 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'll get back to you Rels when i get home in an hour.
Happy youre playing and not afking though ^^
Even in his big post that you're replying to, he's not bitter?
+ Show Spoiler +On August 30 2022 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2022 03:47 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 03:36 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 03:28 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:I'm town Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else? lol? did you skip HF post on purpose? Which post and whatsm i supposed to do eith it? Was wondering why you didn't address this post: On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb What? But responded to the very next one: On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:I'm town Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else? But then you posted your clarification at the same time I posted my question Am I wrong or was his clarification to do with a totally different post, not the 'lol?' or hf's post? Confused. He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later) So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting. Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless. I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond. _____ I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back. deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this: Show nested quote +On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote:
Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding. What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo?
So, I don't understand your thought process.
One explanation is that you're scum and you wanted to be playful with rayn, and talked to him about something he usually is, bitter. But that didn't apply to that game. That wasn't natural, that's why I think this post is fake.
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OOC: I'm going to be middle of giving a presentation for work during deadline.
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On August 31 2022 16:04 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 10:14 Rels wrote:This post by Koshi is basically spot on. On August 31 2022 05:16 Koshi wrote:On August 30 2022 05:17 CopCake wrote:On August 30 2022 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 03:47 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 03:36 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 03:28 Rels wrote:
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did you skip HF post on purpose? Which post and whatsm i supposed to do eith it? Was wondering why you didn't address this post: On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb What? But responded to the very next one: On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:I'm town Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else? But then you posted your clarification at the same time I posted my question Am I wrong or was his clarification to do with a totally different post, not the 'lol?' or hf's post? Confused. He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later) So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting. Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless. I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond. _____ I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back. deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this: On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote:
Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding. What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo? Do you happen to know who were in that game? Maybe I was in there and I totally forgot x_x I only remember you were very frustrated The nested quotes are interesting conversations pushing the game forward. You question is super random. You ask who was in the game? Why? On August 30 2022 05:35 CopCake wrote:On August 30 2022 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 05:17 CopCake wrote:On August 30 2022 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 03:47 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 03:36 Rels wrote:
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Was wondering why you didn't address this post:
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But responded to the very next one:
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But then you posted your clarification at the same time I posted my question Am I wrong or was his clarification to do with a totally different post, not the 'lol?' or hf's post? Confused. He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later) So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting. Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless. I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond. _____ I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back. deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this: On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote:
Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding. What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo? Do you happen to know who were in that game? Maybe I was in there and I totally forgot x_x I only remember you were very frustrated This game: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/565699-a-mostly-normal-game-of-mafiaThis player list: 1. Alakaslam 2. ShoCkeyy 4. Jockmcplop 3. Grackaroni 5. Tictock 6. Raynpelikoneet 7. Fecalfeast 8. Vivax 9. Hapahauli 10. Trfel Ok, now it makes sense HF's reaction. I assumed he was also in that game. So did you ask specifically to know HF was in there? If so, why not explain what you thought about HF's reaction? Such passive play. On August 30 2022 05:44 CopCake wrote:On August 30 2022 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 05:35 CopCake wrote:On August 30 2022 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 05:17 CopCake wrote:On August 30 2022 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 03:47 Rels wrote:
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He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later) So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting. Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless. I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond. _____ I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back. deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this: On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote:
Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding. What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo? Do you happen to know who were in that game? Maybe I was in there and I totally forgot x_x I only remember you were very frustrated This game: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/565699-a-mostly-normal-game-of-mafiaThis player list: 1. Alakaslam 2. ShoCkeyy 4. Jockmcplop 3. Grackaroni 5. Tictock 6. Raynpelikoneet 7. Fecalfeast 8. Vivax 9. Hapahauli 10. Trfel Ok, now it makes sense HF's reaction. I assumed he was also in that game. Why did you assume HF was in the game if you didn't know what game it is, and why was your reaction different to HF than to Jock when both of them basically said the same thing about my post at first? I knew there was a game because you complained D:< a lot. I assumed HF was in there for some reason, probably because he is one of the most active players. And HF is/was pulling more of that string, Jock just said "I didn't get it either" and took your smartphone excuse while HF didn't. How did HFs reaction made sense? rayn mistyped and said something incomprehensible. On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb I assume he meant 'this game has a mafia rb that does actually rb. But that doesn't matter. The "What?" from HF was warranted because rayn was talking gibberish. So I still don't know why you asked the player list and didn't just participate with the conversation that was happening right there in the thread. I still don't know why HF reaction was potential scummy (you claimed it would have been scummy if he wasn't in the game) And I still think you invented a reasoning after rayn pressured you about Jock and HF. Can you explain the bolded? I am still curious. I can't imagine the mindset of CopCake there. rayn posts a cryptic post. HF posts "What?". Later, it's revealed that rayn was talking about another game, and that it was a trap for Vivax. Now in CopCake's mind, if HF was in that previous game, he shouldn't have posted that because he should have remembered that previous game? But that makes no sense. rayn's post was cryptic, and the game was from 2020 anyway. I don't understand how one could say the above, and then discard it with the below. My case is about how Copcake, at the start of the game, played disconnected (doesn't participate in the current discussion, but asks random questions) and her very passive way to push info in the thread. And a potential fabricated reasoning after being pushed by rayn on Jock/HF. If you understand that. How the fuck do you brush that away because HF made 3 posts and now it all make sense. And that townie post from CC is not that supertownie at all. Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 10:28 Rels wrote:Meh I was wrong. CopCake makes sense. This is her reasonning: + Show Spoiler +On August 30 2022 19:42 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2022 19:30 Koshi wrote:On August 30 2022 19:06 CopCake wrote:On August 30 2022 18:30 Koshi wrote:On August 30 2022 03:20 CopCake wrote:On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:I'm town Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else? Are you saying you are not town? On August 30 2022 03:24 CopCake wrote:On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb Are you talking of a past game or? On August 30 2022 05:17 CopCake wrote:On August 30 2022 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 03:47 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 03:36 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Which post and whatsm i supposed to do eith it? Was wondering why you didn't address this post: On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:
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What? But responded to the very next one: On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:
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Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else? But then you posted your clarification at the same time I posted my question Am I wrong or was his clarification to do with a totally different post, not the 'lol?' or hf's post? Confused. He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later) So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting. Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless. I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond. _____ I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back. deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this: On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote:
Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding. What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo? Do you happen to know who were in that game? Maybe I was in there and I totally forgot x_x I only remember you were very frustrated Asking random questions is classic struggling mafia behavior searching a way to engage the thread. The first 2 are fine and could be seen as playful, but the last quote holds an entire conversation and I feel copcake her post is disconnected from the chain. It breaks the pressure, doesn't add value, feels off. This post pinged me initially. -- On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb What? On August 30 2022 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 05:35 CopCake wrote:On August 30 2022 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 05:17 CopCake wrote:On August 30 2022 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 03:47 Rels wrote:
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He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later) So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting. Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless. I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond. _____ I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back. deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this: On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote:
Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding. What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo? Do you happen to know who were in that game? Maybe I was in there and I totally forgot x_x I only remember you were very frustrated This game: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/565699-a-mostly-normal-game-of-mafiaThis player list: 1. Alakaslam 2. ShoCkeyy 4. Jockmcplop 3. Grackaroni 5. Tictock 6. Raynpelikoneet 7. Fecalfeast 8. Vivax 9. Hapahauli 10. Trfel Ok, now it makes sense HF's reaction. I assumed he was also in that game. Why did you assume HF was in the game if you didn't know what game it is, and why was your reaction different to HF than to Jock when both of them basically said the same thing about my post at first? On August 30 2022 05:44 CopCake wrote:On August 30 2022 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 05:35 CopCake wrote:On August 30 2022 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 05:17 CopCake wrote:On August 30 2022 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting.
Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless.
I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond.
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I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back.
deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this:
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What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo? Do you happen to know who were in that game? Maybe I was in there and I totally forgot x_x I only remember you were very frustrated This game: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/565699-a-mostly-normal-game-of-mafiaThis player list: 1. Alakaslam 2. ShoCkeyy 4. Jockmcplop 3. Grackaroni 5. Tictock 6. Raynpelikoneet 7. Fecalfeast 8. Vivax 9. Hapahauli 10. Trfel Ok, now it makes sense HF's reaction. I assumed he was also in that game. Why did you assume HF was in the game if you didn't know what game it is, and why was your reaction different to HF than to Jock when both of them basically said the same thing about my post at first? I knew there was a game because you complained D:< a lot. I assumed HF was in there for some reason, probably because he is one of the most active players. And HF is/was pulling more of that string, Jock just said "I didn't get it either" and took your smartphone excuse while HF didn't. Above 3 quotes show 1) HF post 2) rayn pressure on CC 3) CC answer to rain on said pressure. Here I feel rayn tried to pressure CC on her "Ok, now it makes sense HF's reaction. I assumed he was also in that game." which implied that she asked the question to figure out the motive behind the HF post (aka scumhunting). Rayns pressure resulted in CC backtracking with "I assumed HF was in there for some reason, probably because he is one of the most active players." which again shows (ambiguous) she asked questions that are disconnected from actual scumhunting, while pretending she asks the questions because they are relevant to scumhunting. So Copcape I wasn't "backtracking", it was an honest "I assumed" D:< If HF was in that game, I would have tunneled him inmediatly but he wasn't so I have no reason. Explain why please. Because it would have been dumb/odd of him to continue to tunnel rayn on that if he was in the game, specially when he explained it was a phone derp. And I will continue to ask questions, for example: Is it my meta to do this as mafia? How is the "town copcake"? And at the time of her asking rayn the question, HF only had 3 posts, all 3 related to rayn: + Show Spoiler +On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb What? On August 30 2022 04:17 Holyflare wrote:
Wait where did Rayn clarify his post? I don't think the typo changes the question lol. On August 30 2022 04:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2022 04:21 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 04:16 deconduo wrote:On August 30 2022 04:15 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 04:12 deconduo wrote:
Anyone who's posts I like always turns out to be mafia The question is, if you've noticed this pattern before, didn't you just vote for the people whose posts you liked? How did it go? Don't remember, its been years Fair enough. On August 30 2022 04:17 deconduo wrote:
My old rule was always vote Palmar day 1 Oh its ok the rule is vote palmar day 1 or if he's not there vote holyflare. On August 30 2022 04:17 Holyflare wrote:
Wait where did Rayn clarify his post? I don't think the typo changes the question lol. His post makes sense after the clarification. It didn't before, I assume that why you posted 'what?'. Why does saying this game has a rber that doesn't rb make any sense? Can't find anything about it in the OP. Also reading her filter, this post is pretty townie. She was pushed for reads but it doesn't feel like she felt pressure manufacturing reads, just said whatever she was thinking. This doesn't feel like a prepared post. Especially the last line. On August 30 2022 21:26 CopCake wrote:On August 30 2022 20:49 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 20:43 CopCake wrote:On August 30 2022 20:39 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 20:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 30 2022 17:10 deconduo wrote:
Morning all. I heard you like lists. I like lists. I'm gonna make another list.
People who are fun:
Jock
Dandel
Slam
Koshi
Vivax
CopCake
Tube
Neutral:
Rels
Matt
People who are not fun:
Rayn
People who are attempting to suck every molecule of fun from the game:
MZ
Chezinu:
Chezinu this list is unironically revolting koshi in the fun category smh your last list was better, you fell off It made me feel good, which gave me bad vibes instantly. Man this game is so anti-human sometimes. I think is the opposite, I tend to put so much " feel" I tend to feel exhausted at the end. Specially the times when I roll scum several times consecutive. Its definitely exhausting. I get what you mean, I think we're saying similar things. I get exhausted constantly having to second guess myself remembering not to like people who are being likeable. That's what i mean by anti-human. Do you have any reads yet? I honestly feel like people hasn't posted enough, the only thing that gave me a bad sensation was Vivax, he feels like another person and not himself. I liked how deconduo reacted with the whole claiming town situation. You seem too happy/freely while not pocketing so I think you are town. I disliked how Ziphh took Deconduo list seriously. Still waiting for his answers. I want more HF but overall Rels tho. And the game sometimes can be too overwhelming as town, specially in the last couple of days and there is a misslynch or you lose situation (even tho it is also fun in a strange way) or as mafia when I have to give a performance and fake my emotions/reactions to events. And as you might have noticed I "tone read" most of the time. Then I just close the tab and watch tv or do something else.
2 things.
The things you're scumreading CopCake for doesn't make her scum. That's how she plays, being "floaty", asking random questions. I didn't like it at first when I first played with her, but that's how she plays.
The thing that I thought was very good was her asking a question to rayn, and then justifying that question by saying basically "it was to verify if HF should have reacted differently". I thought it would be impossible for her to think that at first, meaning her justification would be a fake one, meaning she would be scum most likely. But it turns out, CopCake could have seen HF as being tunneled on rayn, as when she posted the questions, HF had only 3 posts, all about rayn.
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On August 31 2022 16:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 10:34 Rels wrote:I have this post saved on a tab by Slam, that I thought was very scummy: On August 30 2022 13:35 Alakaslam wrote:On August 30 2022 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 03:47 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On August 30 2022 03:36 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2022 03:28 Rels wrote:On August 30 2022 03:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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lol? did you skip HF post on purpose? Which post and whatsm i supposed to do eith it? Was wondering why you didn't address this post: On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:On August 30 2022 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Alright. This i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb What? But responded to the very next one: On August 30 2022 03:14 deconduo wrote:On August 30 2022 03:12 Holyflare wrote:I'm town Awesome we have one confirmed town. Anyone else? But then you posted your clarification at the same time I posted my question Am I wrong or was his clarification to do with a totally different post, not the 'lol?' or hf's post? Confused. He didn't reply to HF post directly but addressed the question (at least a little bit, we'll apparently get the full context of the Vivax trap later) So yeah, "this game i am okay with there being mafia rb that doesnt actually rb" is a reference to the last game where i was mafia with vivax and he rb'd trfel who we knew was jailer, just to realize after night phase that even though trfel got roleblocked he could still jail me (apparently "before getting roleblocked" roflmao) and our night kill didn't go through. It actually sparked a stupidly idiotic post game discussion where some people actually considered that is not bs hosting. Anyways it was originally a prod towards Vivax since not once or twice have i figured out his alignment based on some random looking comment which he should be actually responding to (at least jokingly if not otherwise), and here also feeling the same way in case he is also town. He's known to pay way less attention to the game as mafia than as town, especially early on in the game. But yeah i typoed and it is what it is now, useless. I don't really think i should have any response about HF's posts because my post is not directed to him (same as Jock a bit later). I don't remember if i actually talked about the incident later with HF in discord but anyways he's gonna claim he doesn't remember it or doesn't genuinely remember it (in case we did talk about it) and there is no way to confirm that so there really is nothing for me to respond. _____ I liked Jock's eagerness in the beginning, although now i don't really know what he's trying to do especially with deconduo, after deconduo's first couple of posts i don't think there is anything could be alignment indicative, yet for some reason Jock's pushing that forward, it seems quite useless to me. I was about to say i think he's town earlier, but i will take that back. deconduo's a bit... idk. I don't think his response to HF's "im town" is alignment indicative necessarily, just very... stupid? However i really don't get this: On August 30 2022 03:30 deconduo wrote:
Nah I haven't claimed town yet, still deciding. What incentive would you EVER have to NOT claim town as town in your mind deconduo? Lol until I saw this shit I was gonna SR you by pointing out you were too fucking bitter but then remembered that bitterness is not alignment indicative It's extremely forced, for a player that I think always posts random stuff without thinking about it. I don't believe he really had the thought process he described. Slam posts good stuff between the random stuff. He just never draws attention to it.
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Koshi you're too tunneled on me! If you're around, let's talk?
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On August 31 2022 21:04 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2022 20:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
Rels is keeping his options open and not in a good way
##Vote: Rels
it's real now I could see this being true, for sure. He's doubling down on weird things, repeating stuff others have said, and being pretty ambiguous about much of the other stuff. In fact, I'm adding rels to my vote list. Our chat last night really went nowhere. He didn't even try to get any new information out of me even though he was questioning me about all of his concerns and ended up still at the same point he was before he asked the questions. I'm like I was answering all his questions without being evasive or arguing, why can't he use that to progress his reads, or the game somehow. Instead he's still stuck on rayn's very first post which generated nothing useful? I don't buy it to be honest, and nothing has really changed at all from that interaction, except for i now scumread rels.
It advanced my read though! I didn't explicitely say it I guess, but I don't want to vote for you anymore. Your responses could make sense.
Also regardless of alignment, it was nice that at least one person was there when I was available to play, less lonely.
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On August 31 2022 23:02 CopCake wrote:
I could change my vote for rels.
But I want to know what people think of my MZ case?
I put effort and boom, ignored in the sand.
I also wonder why chezinu voted me.
And from now on I should call Jock as Detective J.
The only part of your case against MZ that really appealed to me was that maybe he's pocketing koshi. He both addresses koshi directly, in a collaborative way, and repeats some of koshi's points, without explicitly townreading him.
However, he does explicitly say that he agrees with koshi, and goes on to repeat koshi's points later on, which is consistent at least. So this point is ambiguous, but i'm happy to entertain the possibility.
I like his posting about decon's start. He's aggressive and committed to his early reads in a way that says to me he's town, and he is dead right about decon.
If i'm honest MZ's first few posts have scumreads without a great deal of deep thought process, but it was early in the game. He certainly got you on the defensive, where unfortunately you seem to have remained for much of the first day.
I remain unconvinced by anything anyone has posted about MZ. If I'm totally honest much of this is based on meta from previous games where i felt his early posting was an easy target for a lynch, but he's always town in these cases.
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On August 31 2022 21:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
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The only player Rels bothers to fake a shred of progression on is Copcake.
That's literally it. Nothing on nobody else really means anything to this man.
Rels is mafia and as a tight little bonus i'm pretty sure that if he flips red decon is the next scum.
What a shitty case :p
Of course I didn't have progression. I was only active for a few hours, during which noone was there apart from Jock. And talking to Jock made me progress too, as said above.
Why would I suddenly change my reads on people in the 2 or so hours I was there and those people didn't do anything new?
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