EPTOn March 07 2019 15:02 Mocsta wrote:
i suspect you knew ace wasn't scum
you just didnt know he wasn't town.
i suspect you knew ace wasn't scum
you just didnt know he wasn't town.
Wut
You serve chezinu today?
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
Wut You serve chezinu today? | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
I read Ace as town I read Ace as town with conviction I stand behind this conviction enough to vote Ace for mayor now I feel town cannot progress with HF alive and he therefore must be lynched I believe Blazinghand to be town as well. Oh, do I believe that  I think those voting him currently are likely most of the mafia team plus the sheep who just vote whatever wagon they are least uncomfortable with I think Chezinu and Rsoultin have a high chance of flipping scum This is where Slam stands Ace is the best. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6782 Posts
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Vivax
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On March 07 2019 12:30 Rels wrote: Ace, let me open my heart for you. I've joined TL Mafia in 2015. I've played a number of games since, exactly 1 more than you actually going by the list kita posted in this thread. I had great moments, I had great rage quits, and I met some great people, most of which are excellent mafia players. I even made friends with a few of them. TL Mafia is a part of my life now. During all those games, your legend was always there. The best mafia player. The one there at the beginning. The teacher. The god. You're supposed to be great at solving games when you're town. You're supposed to be unbeatable for you're mafia. And in this game, I'm seeing neither, and I'm kinda disappointed. Please show me I'm wrong. ![[image loading]](https://media.tenor.com/images/3102ac938ee2b3b0607cb5238f3020d1/tenor.gif) | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On March 07 2019 01:47 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I've been reading HF as town for most of the game, so I'm hesitant to kill him. The strongest argument seems to be that without this lynch the game can't move forward for a bunch of people. I'll have to re-read and find the people saying this tonight to see if I can tell what their motivation really is. Sounds like an easy scum thing to say, "Well, guess I'll stop playing until this guy's dead!". I'll be looking for that in the posts up until now. Got a chance to look back at a few of the people who were super gung ho about lynching HF coming into N1. One person who really sticks out is LightningStrike. Filter's not too long to take a scroll through: LightningStrike We see the martyring/ragequit in D1, followed by a return on N1. The N1 content looks pretty decent, with some reads/info on various players: + Show Spoiler + On March 05 2019 10:56 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways Koahi is clear town so I happy about that. On March 05 2019 11:00 LightningStrike wrote: DMA says Mocsta is town. On March 05 2019 11:22 LightningStrike wrote: I am home now was phone posting before. WoS you got sword on Tina. On March 05 2019 11:46 LightningStrike wrote: Incase people for wondering WoS is a strong townread for me for the fact he actually did care about me when I did have a bigger meltdown and we seeing eye to eye on some things. As scum I would think he would try to tilt me even more but he tried to lend a ear but I was to pissed off when he made that post. Starting partway through N1, and heading into D2 LS' filter turns completely into either speculation about the NKs, repeating that we should do the HF lynch, or very soft questions to a couple of people with no response posting. No more information is forthcoming from LS, and there looks to be essentially zero additional scum hunting from them. To me this looks pretty bad and like they're just coasting through D2 without needing to do anything. From a town perspective this is bad, because it's wasting time that could be used to be doing something useful like developing cases or probing other players. From a scum perspective, there's not too much to do besides twiddle your thumbs and wait for the HF lynch to move forward. The lack of anything productive today despite being present in the thread looks a lot more like the latter to me, considering the contrast to the first part of N1. Think LS will be joining my scum list. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
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Mr. Wiggles
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On March 07 2019 11:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm reading acro's big post and I'm not finding any fault with the logic yet. So on one hand I now have a read read on HF but on the other hand the entire case is predicated on BH being scum. I don't see anything redeeming with BH at the moment either (especially after admitting that as town he fights to avoid getting mislynched - this game definitely felt like it was done for him rather than him doing the fighting). I think at this point lynching HF would be more beneficial to town based on at least D1/early N1 actions. I haven't been around for a lot of the last two days but it seems HF was outright malicious whereas BH has kinda been playing dumb. So I'm voting HF. ##Vote: Holyflare All of my whats. The acro case was a giant bs narrative?? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On March 07 2019 12:06 Ace wrote: Holyflare is Scum https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27283802 <---bullshit filter dive in fact, there are just too many posts that show he isn't scum hunting. It's either a lax attempt to show what someone else did wrong, asking "what should we do now?" type questions, or just filler. Outside of this, he killed Palmar. The entire reason behind my Day 1 post was to tie any mayor candidate to their lynch choice. It's not just that he didn't lynch Sentinel - if he had justifiable reasons then so be it. But he lynched Palmar and his reasoning rests on because he thought he was scum. Seriously. This guy should be the obvious lynch. How many people really thought Palmar was scum? He just did it because he could.And even if you somehow don't believe he's Scum he is clearly a net negative for the Town. He literally has done nothing - and this is coming from a guy who's been afk, caught up on only 30 pages or so and sees the nonsense plain as day. The nightkills - 3 dead. All Town. I refuse, literally refuse to think a vigilante shot any of them over Holyfield. Like it seems unfathomable that the targets would end up at Marv, Iamp, or Koshi (lol wut?). Especially with one being Vet and dying (maybe Rb + shot). If there's a third party out there, I think it goes without saying you should start shooting scum or clashing flips from now on  Lastly, I saw something about marv playing cop wrong. I actually think he made himself "obvious town" or whatever you want to call it and should have drawn night protection. Especially since he was a replacement with fresh eyes into the game. Maybe we have no more docs or the kill went through somehow. Either way I think it's worth backtracking him and iamps posts (-2 nightlife means very desperate kill) especially. Couple of things really. Why is the Mocsta post a bull shit filter dive? It points out a lot of inconsistencies, finds incongruous thoughts with his actions and reaches a conclusion. So why is it bs? Why is this then "hf has done no scum hunting"? Your whole basis to scum read me is that I lynched the person I said I would lynch because I thought he was mafia. Just because you say nobody else did, didn't think it yourself or just plain didn't like it, not once did anyone say (other than maybe acro or wave) don't lynch palmar hf my god. I think it's incredibly superficial to say I've done nothing and quite factually incorrect. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
I get the feeling you don't even believe I'm mafia from your post, just a guy that killed Palmar. But he lynched Palmar and his reasoning rests on because he thought he was scum. Seriously. This guy should be the obvious lynch. How many people really thought Palmar was scum? He just did it because he could.And even if you somehow don't believe he's Scum he is clearly a net negative for the Town. He literally has done nothing - and this is coming from a guy who's been afk, caught up on only 30 pages or so and sees the nonsense plain as day. Hf killed his scum read that he made a case on but guys he's done no scum hunting whatsoever. He wanted to lynch his scum read guys oh man. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On March 07 2019 12:25 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Ok reread with the timing of the votes in mind and actually I take back my opinions on the Acro post, it def seems like reaching. Guess I'm going with my other one ##Vote: Blazinghand You are assuming the vote count that's in the vote thread also existed at deadline. It didn't. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
My gut wants to lynch Rels for him being so eager to connect with me and then not doing anything with it. His comments are usually piggy-backing or outright nada. And then my devil's advocate says wasn't he a better scum player than this? And can't the blah be explained by big game/little time? And I'm debating how much to share which isn't helpful either. Also, ye, mocsta does look pretty town to me and I'm gonna pretend he's never had me eating out of his hand when he's scum. I opened DF's filter and realized he talked more than I remembered but I'm not getting strong feels on him one way or another. Which makes me lean toward scum. Tried to read Wiggles filter and my brain petered out halfway through. That will have to come later. My general impression of him this game is not much different than my issue with Wave was on D1, though. Pretty peanut gallery. With an addition of being too nice, at least to me. Gun to my head I'd vote Wiggles today pre-reviewing his filter. Or BC >< Or Rels. I feel like I'm missing shit and my usual way of finding what I'm missing doesn't work in such a big game. Spent way too much time yesterday getting nowhere fast. Slam not having fun is probably scum. <-yeah, I know, unoriginal Also need to read what this thing on sent is all about that Rels was yes ma'aming. Getting pretty burnt out, though. Like legit I don't know what's wrong with me can't find anything I feel super strong about beyond a few townreads burnt out. Grack feels townish though so yay? MZ idk what that Damdred best lynch rn over others thing is. Is he reading this game or not? I could check back in his filter but cba. I don't feel suddenly like Ace is very town like some others do? But I don't feel he's a good lynch either. Anyway, not going to be around as much today. Hopefully I can get the motivation back to actually focus on what I'm reading instead of it all blurring together. Might just yolo a Rels lynch anyway. My gut super doesn't like him >< So I guess I do have one strong scumread that I doubt I can adequately explain cause it's all based on feels lol yay \o/ | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On March 07 2019 12:37 Ace wrote: Can you explain this reasoning more? Lol. I mean, come on. Dang IKR. Scum having 4 KP? Or 3 KP plus a 1 shot? Why wouldn't you speculate on this? Best to figure out what are plausible roles in the game with our limited information. We have another set of bad day/night and we might as well start thinking about a mass claim. K, let's pretend Holyflare really did think this is true. Is it too much of a stretch to say these 2 events have to also exist: 1.) Holyflare thinks Palmar is scum, and is also being boosted by Scum votes 2.) Holyflare accuses and actually pushes the people on the Palmar wagon more than anywhere else, showing he really thinks there is a scum party. If this does not happen, then he doesn't really think Palmar is Mafia. At least not for the reason listed here. Hahahahahahahahaha there was a whole discussion about which one of the palmar voters was also mafia LOL! | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 07 2019 17:20 Holyflare wrote: Hahahahahahahahaha there was a whole discussion about which one of the palmar voters was also mafia LOL! Talk to me about Rels. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On March 07 2019 12:54 Rels wrote: given BH begged to be lynched, there is anything worthwhile to analyze in the vote. If he's scum, his team has known for a long time he's a likely D1 lynch and has planned accordingly. If he's town, well, same thing. THe only thing is that scum probably didn't vote en masse for the same guy, but that's not specific to this vote, more of a general rule The bh wagon on really starts fairly close to deadline. Don't think mafia have much time to organise anything or even know bh was an option. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
He's just +1ing posts. Nothing special yet. Hard null. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 07 2019 17:18 rsoultin wrote: Voted BH My gut wants to lynch Rels for him being so eager to connect with me and then not doing anything with it. His comments are usually piggy-backing or outright nada. And then my devil's advocate says wasn't he a better scum player than this? And can't the blah be explained by big game/little time? And I'm debating how much to share which isn't helpful either. Also, ye, mocsta does look pretty town to me and I'm gonna pretend he's never had me eating out of his hand when he's scum. I opened DF's filter and realized he talked more than I remembered but I'm not getting strong feels on him one way or another. Which makes me lean toward scum. Tried to read Wiggles filter and my brain petered out halfway through. That will have to come later. My general impression of him this game is not much different than my issue with Wave was on D1, though. Pretty peanut gallery. With an addition of being too nice, at least to me. Gun to my head I'd vote Wiggles today pre-reviewing his filter. Or BC >< Or Rels. I feel like I'm missing shit and my usual way of finding what I'm missing doesn't work in such a big game. Spent way too much time yesterday getting nowhere fast. Slam not having fun is probably scum. <-yeah, I know, unoriginal Also need to read what this thing on sent is all about that Rels was yes ma'aming. Getting pretty burnt out, though. Like legit I don't know what's wrong with me can't find anything I feel super strong about beyond a few townreads burnt out. Grack feels townish though so yay? MZ idk what that Damdred best lynch rn over others thing is. Is he reading this game or not? I could check back in his filter but cba. I don't feel suddenly like Ace is very town like some others do? But I don't feel he's a good lynch either. Anyway, not going to be around as much today. Hopefully I can get the motivation back to actually focus on what I'm reading instead of it all blurring together. Might just yolo a Rels lynch anyway. My gut super doesn't like him >< So I guess I do have one strong scumread that I doubt I can adequately explain cause it's all based on feels lol yay \o/ Actually, fuck it, I can at least explain where the feeling is coming from. He invited me into a mason qt as a night action after crowing about how I'd change my mind during the night?phase I think it was when I said he could be scum. Then he calls the thing useless after my first response in the qt is the role's not in the OP and so it gives me nothing as to his alignment. I've been plopping reads in there he's only been commenting on trying to get him to play and the best he's got is the nonsense in this thread and something about sent which all I can see on sent is him nodding at grack? I'm just getting the strong sense he hoped I'd start townreading him like a pleb the moment he invited me into the qt. Joke's on him. Only time I've ever seen a mechanic like that I was invited into a different one by scum lol >< I don't know why scum would have a role like that this game but I don't really see why town would either. So I'm just going off Rels' behavior. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 07 2019 17:23 Holyflare wrote: The bh wagon on really starts fairly close to deadline. Don't think mafia have much time to organise anything or even know bh was an option. So although I've stated that the BH wagon was started by me about 6 hours out from the deadline, basically, when I started actively martyring, my first martyring post was actually this one: https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=27281200 which was about 22 hours before the deadline. Although it wasn't until 6 hours before the deadline that I started actively pushing the BH wagon, the idea that in a world in which I was scum, my teammates would have been caught with their pants down with no idea I was going to martyr is basically false. Even if I gave them literally zero heads-up before my first martyring post, they'd still have 22 hours to get their pants on. The reason I've been stating that I started pushing my wagon for self-lynch a few hours from the deadline is because that is true, but in fact I first started martyring 22 hours before the deadline with that single post. Surely if I were scum, I would also post in the mafia QT "hey fellow scum I am going for a martyring, as you can see from this post in thread" when I posted that post - or if I were somehow too lazy even for that, one of the other scum players would surely notice. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 07 2019 17:36 Holyflare wrote: What the fuck? So the op is wrong and there are actually hidden roles? Yes, it's joyful isn't it? There's a fun line in there that made me want to beat my head against a wall. Let me find it. | ||
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