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Blazinghand
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On March 07 2019 17:51 rsoultin wrote:
Which yes I know this is super unhelpful cause I'm the only one seeing what he's writing lol >< But this is what has been eating me about him and I don't see a good reason not to share. Even if he's town with no time to play and I'm just a dumb dumb reading too much into it, his role is pretty useless for determining alignments other than how you would in thread anyway. Perhaps more useless.
If you wanted to use the town Masoner to determine alignments, you'd Mason someone scummy N1 and crumb that you masoned them at the end of N1 and crumb again at the end of N2, and if he's mafia there's a non-trivial chance he gets spooked and shoots you, and town will find the crumbs and realize that the scummy guy was who you masoned, and the only guy who knew you were a mason. Maybe lie in a closed-ish setup like this and say that you'll have an alignment check on whoever you mason after the second night, which would really spook mafia (unless you got unlucky and masoned a GF....)
there are a lot of possibilities
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I don't know why rels would mason rsoul though when there's a high probability she could get shot. Unless he knows she's not going to get shot.
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On March 07 2019 17:55 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 17:51 rsoultin wrote:
Which yes I know this is super unhelpful cause I'm the only one seeing what he's writing lol >< But this is what has been eating me about him and I don't see a good reason not to share. Even if he's town with no time to play and I'm just a dumb dumb reading too much into it, his role is pretty useless for determining alignments other than how you would in thread anyway. Perhaps more useless. If you wanted to use the town Masoner to determine alignments, you'd Mason someone scummy N1 and crumb that you masoned them at the end of N1 and crumb again at the end of N2, and if he's mafia there's a non-trivial chance he gets spooked and shoots you, and town will find the crumbs and realize that the scummy guy was who you masoned, and the only guy who knew you were a mason. Maybe lie in a closed-ish setup like this and say that you'll have an alignment check on whoever you mason after the second night, which would really spook mafia (unless you got unlucky and masoned a GF....) there are a lot of possibilities
Okay?
Well, the point still stands. Super excited -> not doing anything with it screams he expected me to townread him the moment I landed in his qt.
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On March 07 2019 17:58 Holyflare wrote:
I don't know why rels would mason rsoul though when there's a high probability she could get shot. Unless he knows she's not going to get shot.
Lol I hadn't even thought of that ><
The town reason could be I was his top townread and he wanted to solve the game together. But that's not happening.
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Anyway have to go to work. Probably won't be back for awhile since we have to do official junk afterwards with the girl from Africa who just moved here and is living with us.
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Blazinghand
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On March 07 2019 17:58 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 17:55 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 17:51 rsoultin wrote:
Which yes I know this is super unhelpful cause I'm the only one seeing what he's writing lol >< But this is what has been eating me about him and I don't see a good reason not to share. Even if he's town with no time to play and I'm just a dumb dumb reading too much into it, his role is pretty useless for determining alignments other than how you would in thread anyway. Perhaps more useless. If you wanted to use the town Masoner to determine alignments, you'd Mason someone scummy N1 and crumb that you masoned them at the end of N1 and crumb again at the end of N2, and if he's mafia there's a non-trivial chance he gets spooked and shoots you, and town will find the crumbs and realize that the scummy guy was who you masoned, and the only guy who knew you were a mason. Maybe lie in a closed-ish setup like this and say that you'll have an alignment check on whoever you mason after the second night, which would really spook mafia (unless you got unlucky and masoned a GF....) there are a lot of possibilities Okay? Well, the point still stands. Super excited -> not doing anything with it screams he expected me to townread him the moment I landed in his qt.
yeah that is pretty strange. maybe he thought it was his ace in the hole (either as town, to prove himself, or as scum, to bamboozle) and just got super mad when it didn't work. i'm eager to hear his side of the story
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BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it?
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Blazinghand
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On March 07 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote:
BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it?
A few days ago I gave up on trying to sound town and just write what I want to write. It's a lot of fun!
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On March 07 2019 18:07 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote:
BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it? A few days ago I gave up on trying to sound town and just write what I want to write. It's a lot of fun!
Why were you trying to sound town?
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Blazinghand
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On March 07 2019 18:07 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 18:07 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote:
BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it? A few days ago I gave up on trying to sound town and just write what I want to write. It's a lot of fun! Why were you trying to sound town?
I'm always trying to sound town. If you're scum, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game. If you're town, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game, and also so you can build cred and convince other townies to vote the scum that you find. At all times you should focus, in addition to hunting scum, on looking town, regardless of alignment.
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On March 07 2019 18:10 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 18:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 07 2019 18:07 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote:
BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it? A few days ago I gave up on trying to sound town and just write what I want to write. It's a lot of fun! Why were you trying to sound town? I'm always trying to sound town. If you're scum, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game. If you're town, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game, and also so you can build cred and convince other townies to vote the scum that you find. A t all times you should focus, in addition to hunting scum, on looking town, regardless of alignment.
So why did you stop trying to sound town?
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Blazinghand
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In fact, you can be a big contributor to a town victory as a VT just by doing these two things:
1) look town
2) hunt scum (this includes identifying and following good town players)
The first job of any town-aligned player is to not get lynched. And yes, I am aware I was actively trying to get lynched D1 and shot N1, please ignore that for the purposes of this educational post.
On March 07 2019 18:11 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 18:10 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 18:07 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 07 2019 18:07 Blazinghand wrote:On March 07 2019 18:04 Holyflare wrote:
BH you have an uncanny knack to sound disingenuous with everything you write. How do you do it? A few days ago I gave up on trying to sound town and just write what I want to write. It's a lot of fun! Why were you trying to sound town? I'm always trying to sound town. If you're scum, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game. If you're town, you do it so you don't get lynched, which allows you to win the game, and also so you can build cred and convince other townies to vote the scum that you find. A t all times you should focus, in addition to hunting scum, on looking town, regardless of alignment. So why did you stop trying to sound town?
The game was long and I didn't feel like reading it. I think my second or third post in this game was after 100 pages had sprung up and I basically said "I'm not reading this, just lynch me now so I don't have to deal with it"
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I feel like mocsta dropped his scum read on ace far too quickly even though ace just made a few incongruous false statements.
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Blazinghand
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On top of all that, After spending 24 hours D1 and all of N1 trying to get lynched and shot, it didn't happen. And if it won't happen when I'm actively trying to make it happen, it's not happening. So, there's really no reason to avoid saying things that might get misunderstood and lead people to think I'm scum. who cares? None of you are going to pull together a group big enough that it's going to lynch me anyways. So... I'm free. I can post what I want. I don't have to stop and think about what will build cred, because I have none. I don't have to carefully maneuver to avoid scum trapping me into getting lynched, because as we've seen, it's impossible to lynch me. I've transcended this game. I am beyond suspicion. People just don't want to lynch me, so why should I defend myself? Why should I worry about my appearance, or any pressure anyone puts on me? Feh. I'll analyze what I want to analyze and do what I want, and see if I can find some scum. I'm cursed to play out this game for my hubris, trapped, never lynched, vigied, or nked, no matter what I try. So... I might as well play, and fuck caring about what I look like
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On March 07 2019 18:18 Blazinghand wrote:
On top of all that, After spending 24 hours D1 and all of N1 trying to get lynched and shot, it didn't happen. And if it won't happen when I'm actively trying to make it happen, it's not happening. So, there's really no reason to avoid saying things that might get misunderstood and lead people to think I'm scum. who cares? None of you are going to pull together a group big enough that it's going to lynch me anyways. So... I'm free. I can post what I want. I don't have to stop and think about what will build cred, because I have none. I don't have to carefully maneuver to avoid scum trapping me into getting lynched, because as we've seen, it's impossible to lynch me. I've transcended this game. I am beyond suspicion. People just don't want to lynch me, so why should I defend myself? Why should I worry about my appearance, or any pressure anyone puts on me? Feh. I'll analyze what I want to analyze and do what I want, and see if I can find some scum. I'm cursed to play out this game for my hubris, trapped, never lynched, vigied, or nked, no matter what I try. So... I might as well play, and fuck caring about what I look like
This is kind of what I was getting at.
That would be a ballsy play to make as scum particularly.
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So please look at the people that didn't want to vote you if you're town? Or how about just look at exo who called you town and wanted to lynch you anyway?
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Blazinghand
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On March 07 2019 18:22 Holyflare wrote:
So please look at the people that didn't want to vote you if you're town? Or how about just look at exo who called you town and wanted to lynch you anyway?
ExO and Ace are both suspicious for thinking i'm town and being kind to me when I was actively martyring
On March 07 2019 18:22 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 18:18 Blazinghand wrote:
On top of all that, After spending 24 hours D1 and all of N1 trying to get lynched and shot, it didn't happen. And if it won't happen when I'm actively trying to make it happen, it's not happening. So, there's really no reason to avoid saying things that might get misunderstood and lead people to think I'm scum. who cares? None of you are going to pull together a group big enough that it's going to lynch me anyways. So... I'm free. I can post what I want. I don't have to stop and think about what will build cred, because I have none. I don't have to carefully maneuver to avoid scum trapping me into getting lynched, because as we've seen, it's impossible to lynch me. I've transcended this game. I am beyond suspicion. People just don't want to lynch me, so why should I defend myself? Why should I worry about my appearance, or any pressure anyone puts on me? Feh. I'll analyze what I want to analyze and do what I want, and see if I can find some scum. I'm cursed to play out this game for my hubris, trapped, never lynched, vigied, or nked, no matter what I try. So... I might as well play, and fuck caring about what I look like This is kind of what I was getting at. That would be a ballsy play to make as scum particularly.
Yeah, it would be pretty ballsy to make as scum. Also, I'm probably one of the best scum players on TL Mafia - or I was back in the day, anyways. I'm just a decent town player, mostly skilled in avoiding getting lynched (which is actually a useful skill!) and driving discussion, typically. But as scum I've pulled all kinds of stunts. Once, I pretended that I was moving to a different house, put stuff in boxes and took photos of it, and people let it slide that I wasn't active for a full day. I'm a complete bastard. I'm pretty amazing.
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On March 07 2019 18:17 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like mocsta dropped his scum read on ace far too quickly even though ace just made a few incongruous false statements.
Mocsta's reasoning is good.
So you don't still think Acrofales is mafia?
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K, haven't really caught up with the thread yet. Saw Ace posted a bunch, but he's gone again. He looks like a bad lynch.
I'll get into filtering the ppl I wanted to filter again this afternoon (in a train omw to a meeting right now, so not.much time).
@rsoultin, mocsta and anyone else interested:
My wanting to kill sentinel at night was never my own read. Already hashed that out with rsoultin during the night, so anybody tripping over it (rayn) is just not reading. I was perfectly happy to carry Palmar's torch and blindly sheep Palmar's cases after he flipped. I would have gotten around to having some updated thoughts about him eventually if I hadn't kinda decided that killing HF was more important than killing sentinel or wiggles.
Looking back, that change of priorities is kinda based on two things:
Holyflare's behavior during the night, where he never once showed any shock or surprise over his "scumread" flipping green.
This post:
On March 06 2019 00:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can already see what's going to happen
We end up leaving all the loose ends alive tomorrow because somebody presents something shiny and scum laugh all the way to the bank
Don't lose sight of the goal tomorrow. Idgaf about this mocsta case tbh
I read this and found it to be the essence of the matter. Sentinel and Wiggles are around and have 0 clout. Especially wiggles had barely posted at all by the end of n1. There's no real urgency in lynching them if HF is also scum. Whereas HF has real sway over town, and scum will just keep killing competing town voices until some poor shmuck(s) face the dilemma at lylo. So WoS post hit home and I agreed he had to die first. Ahead of Palmar's targets.
That doesn't mean sentinel or wiggles are off the hook. They're just on pause til HF is dead. I promise to have some original thought on them before I push lynching one or the other tomorrow. Or someone else like rayn. He is super tunneled on me and using it as an excuse to do nothing of value. It isn't helpful to town. You could probably say the same about me and HF, but I'm trying to talk about other people (in fact, since my case, I am purposefully resisting getting dragged back into a conversation about HF so I can catch up on other people).
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On March 07 2019 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2019 18:17 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like mocsta dropped his scum read on ace far too quickly even though ace just made a few incongruous false statements. Mocsta's reasoning is good. So you don't still think Acrofales is mafia?
I'm undecided. I'm pretty burnt out from defending myself tbh.
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