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On March 06 2019 21:13 rsoultin wrote:
My goal, for anyone who cares, is to work toward a consensus for a counter lynch to HF. I'm a bit distracted with our new house guest and other things but by the end of today (not the day phase) I'll have reread the game and everyone's intentions around the voting and put forth some scumreads as options.
Anyone else with options is absolutely encouraged to voice them. Ace is one of those. I've put forth Tube pending a reread. Onegu's been mentioned.
I'll try to keep an eye on the thread to discuss with anyone who wants to discuss.
And I'd encourage those of you who are town and determined to lynch HF because either you think he's scum or 'has to go' to stop engaging. We know your point of view. It's boring and getting in the way. You can imagine what we're doing is a scum scramble and call us all mafia for considering alternatives. Let HF focus on the game. If you want to discuss other reads be my guest.
Obviously can't enforce this but in the scenario where HF is town (which I believe) it minimizes scum's ability to goad him into uselessness and make this day a complete wash.
This is good.
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Oh right Onegu is defs mafia too, he hasn't said anything about me all game.
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On March 06 2019 21:13 rsoultin wrote:
My goal, for anyone who cares, is to work toward a consensus for a counter lynch to HF. I'm a bit distracted with our new house guest and other things but by the end of today (not the day phase) I'll have reread the game and everyone's intentions around the voting and put forth some scumreads as options.
Anyone else with options is absolutely encouraged to voice them. Ace is one of those. I've put forth Tube pending a reread. Onegu's been mentioned.
I'll try to keep an eye on the thread to discuss with anyone who wants to discuss.
And I'd encourage those of you who are town and determined to lynch HF because either you think he's scum or 'has to go' to stop engaging. We know your point of view. It's boring and getting in the way. You can imagine what we're doing is a scum scramble and call us all mafia for considering alternatives. Let HF focus on the game. If you want to discuss other reads be my guest.
Obviously can't enforce this but in the scenario where HF is town (which I believe) it minimizes scum's ability to goad him into uselessness and make this day a complete wash.
What do you think of sent?
I've just spent half an hour looking through his filter and he hasn't contributed anything new at all in the last few visits. Its not just a case of low activity but its what he's doing (or not doing) when he's active. He's arguing points that have no benefit to town or hedging on his previous reads.
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I will not be around the entirety of today but will be tomorrow.
Stop posting shit about hf, just vote him and let him be.
Look into sentinel/rsoul/Ace. Maybe wiggles?
Oh also the Pandain slot I completely forgot.
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On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum. Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia: - He called out Grackaroni for making a useless list post and then continued doing nothing but listing lurkers / low volume posters for like next 24 hours. Neither of those are in itself necessarily scummy but saying someone is scum for doing a "universal mafia trait" -thing and then doing the same thing yourself is scummy as fuck and never comes from town, you'd have to be the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth to do that.
- He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him.
- During the EoD he wasn't actively trying to do stuff, all he did was yelling and causing chaos. The most notable thing is he perfectly knew both Palmar's and Holyflare's mayor lynch choices don't align with his reads yet never ever during the whole time the debate was on tries he convince either of them to agree on a different lynch. Especially Palmar when they both share a scumread on Mocsta. There is simply no reason why a townie shouldn't care about this.
- Fake anger after D1 flips and anger directed at wrong place. Tubesock had a good post about this.
- After D1 Acrofales hasn't done a single productive thing. He has given himself a narrative in calling Holyflare mafia, hiding behind it, and doing nothing else. Even if he genuinely thinks Holyflare is mafia for doing a bad / stupid thing (which isn't even a good reason to scumread someone) it's simply pure mafia play to excuse yourself for not doing anything other than calling him mafia and everyone stupid and bad.
I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales. All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia.
I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes. + Show Spoiler +I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia. Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow.
That's quite a pretty narrative you've spun. It's all quite plausible, as I do believe we have a similar playstyle. It's also completely wrong, as I try to mimick my townplay as scum, and my townplay is what I'm doing right now. So if you build a meta case, at least do it properly.
It's blatantly false that I haven't done anything other than hound HF. I am principally hounding HF, because he needs to die. But saying I haven't done anything else since D1 is absurd. Did you even open my filter to write this case?
But more generally, something changed quite radically in how you're playing the game.
The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia.
What did you do with the rayn that absolutely always wanted to kill people for doing really dumb shit and would hound them relentlessly. This isn't even about your alignment, as you'd do it as both scum or town. The lack of you hounding people makes it seem like you're not invested at all in the game, which just makes me sad, as you made a case on me without actually puzzling over my filter. You just lazily threw together your "HF town" with "Acro tunneling HF" notes, and made a case for me to be scum, disregarding everything around it. You didn't even bother to double check your "HF town" read even after he shot Palmar and gloated about it.
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This post is the most that sent has given us in days and its just to say that two of his scumleans look less like scumleans.
On March 06 2019 09:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 09:32 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 09:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 06 2019 02:45 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 02:43 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
Can someone explain why sentinel is mafia other than using the words he didn't read his role PM? Look at his big post and try explaining to me what happened to his Oats scum lean, or how even what he wrote about it makes the slightest sense.
1. I lean green on Tictock
2. I lean red on MZ
3. Jock had a bad post
4. Acro had bad posts
5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference
6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play
7. Actually Tictock might be red
8. Oats is bad but not red
This is literally at the bottom of his reads list. On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum. That was my summary of iamp's reads, not my own takes. The oats take was my take. On March 06 2019 09:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 06 2019 02:45 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 02:43 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
Can someone explain why sentinel is mafia other than using the words he didn't read his role PM? Look at his big post and try explaining to me what happened to his Oats scum lean, or how even what he wrote about it makes the slightest sense.
1. I lean green on Tictock
2. I lean red on MZ
3. Jock had a bad post
4. Acro had bad posts
5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference
6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play
7. Actually Tictock might be red
8. Oats is bad but not red
This is literally at the bottom of his reads list. On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum. That was my summary of iamp's reads, not my own takes. The oats take was my take. Ok, but there's more then. You didn't specify your Oats lean in the post, it looks like you missed out a word like scum lean. Then you come out with: On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum. Your oats summary is in direct contradiction with what you said after it with nothing else changing in between. Why? Oh I see what you mean. Here's the paragraph Show nested quote +
I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game.
There's actually two parts missing. "I'd almost call it a scum play [but] Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean [red on] Oats because even with..." That being said, it's the slightest of scum leans and I never grouped him in my lynch targets like Trfel, LS, etc. On a related note, skimming LS's posts I am getting a much more town vibe than before, but I only got this vibe long after someone said "LS is looking more town now". I think at the time he was sheeping yet another read. I don't know LS as much as some of you but even though I'm not ready to tunnel him at the moment I do think some of you guys are cutting him too much slack.
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On March 06 2019 21:55 Jockmcplop wrote:This post is the most that sent has given us in days and its just to say that two of his scumleans look less like scumleans. Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 09:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 06 2019 09:32 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 09:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 06 2019 02:45 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 02:43 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
Can someone explain why sentinel is mafia other than using the words he didn't read his role PM? Look at his big post and try explaining to me what happened to his Oats scum lean, or how even what he wrote about it makes the slightest sense.
1. I lean green on Tictock
2. I lean red on MZ
3. Jock had a bad post
4. Acro had bad posts
5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference
6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play
7. Actually Tictock might be red
8. Oats is bad but not red
This is literally at the bottom of his reads list. On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum. That was my summary of iamp's reads, not my own takes. The oats take was my take. On March 06 2019 09:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On March 06 2019 02:45 Holyflare wrote:On March 06 2019 02:43 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2019 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
Can someone explain why sentinel is mafia other than using the words he didn't read his role PM? Look at his big post and try explaining to me what happened to his Oats scum lean, or how even what he wrote about it makes the slightest sense.
1. I lean green on Tictock
2. I lean red on MZ
3. Jock had a bad post
4. Acro had bad posts
5. Chez has bad posts and is running interference
6. Sentinel's town read is prescient of his role. The man in the gif holds up 5 fingers which means it's a 5/5 play
7. Actually Tictock might be red
8. Oats is bad but not red
This is literally at the bottom of his reads list. On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum. That was my summary of iamp's reads, not my own takes. The oats take was my take. Ok, but there's more then. You didn't specify your Oats lean in the post, it looks like you missed out a word like scum lean. Then you come out with: On March 05 2019 01:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats hasn't changed much beyond the dart throwing. I still don't see how that makes him scum. Your oats summary is in direct contradiction with what you said after it with nothing else changing in between. Why? Oh I see what you mean. Here's the paragraph
I think if you lean red on everyone it's only slightly better than leaning green on everyone. I'd almost call it a scum play Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean Oats because even with that pressure he doesn't commit to any sort of scum team besides "half the thread", at least in any meaningful way to advance the game.
There's actually two parts missing. "I'd almost call it a scum play [but] Oats does put pressure on HF. I'd still lean [red on] Oats because even with..." That being said, it's the slightest of scum leans and I never grouped him in my lynch targets like Trfel, LS, etc. On a related note, skimming LS's posts I am getting a much more town vibe than before, but I only got this vibe long after someone said "LS is looking more town now". I think at the time he was sheeping yet another read. I don't know LS as much as some of you but even though I'm not ready to tunnel him at the moment I do think some of you guys are cutting him too much slack.
You're not wrong.
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On March 06 2019 21:54 Acrofales wrote:
It's blatantly false that I haven't done anything other than hound HF. I am principally hounding HF, because he needs to die. But saying I haven't done anything else since D1 is absurd. Did you even open my filter to write this case?
Sure you posted words but that doesn't mean you're trying to do something with them.
Rest of your post is just fluff.
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My opinion on sentinel and wiggles:
On March 06 2019 08:59 Acrofales wrote:I was making a detailed reads post, but it's too much work. Lynch holyflare. And: Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 08:52 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2019 08:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2019 08:51 Palmar wrote:
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia
Wiggles is mafia your wifom mind bomb wont work im going to ignore it. Wiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafiaWiggles is mafia The rest of the team is probably this: Sentinel rsoultin MZ damdred marvellosity bloodycobbler But because there's no way I got it right in one go, there's probably scum in the lurks too: Onegu Rels ExO_ ace AMG Town; Vivax Koshi jock WoS Probably town: Oats Slam LS Lamp
It's worth noting that I completely forgot rayn was in the game all night, so he doesn't appear in this list. That is a total oversight that I will rectify when I have time.
And yeah, the fact that rayn is not even doing enough to remember he's in the game is worth thinking about.
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Imagine bh having 0 votes though lol.
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Calm your tits acro.
We'll find out who the mafia was spreading wildfires once HF is dead and red.
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On March 06 2019 21:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 21:54 Acrofales wrote:
It's blatantly false that I haven't done anything other than hound HF. I am principally hounding HF, because he needs to die. But saying I haven't done anything else since D1 is absurd. Did you even open my filter to write this case?
Sure you posted words but that doesn't mean you're trying to do something with them. Rest of your post is just fluff.
I posted *LOTS* of words. And the *BEST* words. This dismissal is just meh.
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I’d scum the shit out if HF if he platformed killing Palmar, cased and scumread him, and didn’t kill him. Maybe MAYBE not if he killed scum instead. I think I’d still think he could be scum for killing a lurker mafia.
To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town.
People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays???
You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case.
But you can’t cause he did.
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On March 06 2019 22:00 Holyflare wrote:
Imagine bh having 0 votes though lol.
I would lynch in a heartbeat but i know town will like 90% lose the game if we lynch bh regardless of his flip.
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On March 06 2019 22:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 22:00 Holyflare wrote:
Imagine bh having 0 votes though lol. I would lynch in a heartbeat but i know town will like 90% lose the game if we lynch bh regardless of his flip.
xD
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On March 06 2019 22:01 Tubesock wrote:
I’d scum the shit out if HF if he platformed killing Palmar, cased and scumread him, and didn’t kill him. Maybe MAYBE not if he killed scum instead. I think I’d still think he could be scum for killing a lurker mafia.
To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town.
People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays???
You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case.
But you can’t cause he did.
This! This is the thing that makes all "HF is scum" believers either retards or mafia.
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On March 06 2019 22:01 Vivax wrote:
Calm your tits acro.
We'll find out who the mafia was spreading wildfires once HF is dead and red.
Why have you suddenly contradicted your own read today by the way? You never explained other than everyone else was voting me.
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On March 06 2019 22:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 22:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2019 22:00 Holyflare wrote:
Imagine bh having 0 votes though lol. I would lynch in a heartbeat but i know town will like 90% lose the game if we lynch bh regardless of his flip. xD
yeah, because we have people like you and then people who will lose interest in playing when acrofales will yell all over them after me, hf and rsoultin die.
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On March 06 2019 22:01 Tubesock wrote:
I’d scum the shit out if HF if he platformed killing Palmar, cased and scumread him, and didn’t kill him. Maybe MAYBE not if he killed scum instead. I think I’d still think he could be scum for killing a lurker mafia.
To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town.
People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays???
You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case.
But you can’t cause he did.
I knew you were town all along.
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