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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 13:08 GMT
#4181
Like i have no doubt in anyone's abilities to figure out all the wiggleses, onegus, blazinghands and aces in this game, i have serious doubts on 26/30 people's abilities to out-yell acrofales.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
March 06 2019 13:08 GMT
#4182
On March 06 2019 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 22:03 Vivax wrote:
On March 06 2019 22:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 06 2019 22:00 Holyflare wrote:
Imagine bh having 0 votes though lol.

I would lynch in a heartbeat but i know town will like 90% lose the game if we lynch bh regardless of his flip.


xD

yeah, because we have people like you and then people who will lose interest in playing when acrofales will yell all over them after me, hf and rsoultin die.


Says the pro who murdered Palmar on D1.

Honestly, you're just mafia at this point, so saying pro isn't even sarcasm. Made a mistake tonereading you town when I went looking for what rsoultin meant when she said you made her cry during N1.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
March 06 2019 13:09 GMT
#4183
And we both know that if HF dies the scum team becomes all easy pickings.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
March 06 2019 13:10 GMT
#4184
I'm going to shipost all through D2 btw.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 13:13 GMT
#4185
On March 06 2019 22:10 Vivax wrote:
I'm going to shipost through almost all my games btw.

ftfy
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 13:16 GMT
#4186
Seriously though, why aren't you even remotely interested in what certain people's alignments are Vivax? I know you can be a buttface because you usually are but this is very one-dimensional black-and-white shit from you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 13:17 GMT
#4187
If you want to lynch Holyflare make a case why Holyflare is mafia. "he killed Palmar and should have known better / i didn't think he'd actually do it" is not a case on why Holyflare is mafia, regardless of marv saying so.
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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2019 13:23 GMT
#4188
On March 06 2019 21:49 Tubesock wrote:
Rsoultin, after you look at my short filter, I’m around for questions if you have them.

Although I’m on Africa hotel internet and it may go away for a bit as it tends to do.


I see you and I'll let you know if I do.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
March 06 2019 13:25 GMT
#4189
On March 06 2019 21:53 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 21:13 rsoultin wrote:
My goal, for anyone who cares, is to work toward a consensus for a counter lynch to HF. I'm a bit distracted with our new house guest and other things but by the end of today (not the day phase) I'll have reread the game and everyone's intentions around the voting and put forth some scumreads as options.

Anyone else with options is absolutely encouraged to voice them. Ace is one of those. I've put forth Tube pending a reread. Onegu's been mentioned.

I'll try to keep an eye on the thread to discuss with anyone who wants to discuss.

And I'd encourage those of you who are town and determined to lynch HF because either you think he's scum or 'has to go' to stop engaging. We know your point of view. It's boring and getting in the way. You can imagine what we're doing is a scum scramble and call us all mafia for considering alternatives. Let HF focus on the game. If you want to discuss other reads be my guest.

Obviously can't enforce this but in the scenario where HF is town (which I believe) it minimizes scum's ability to goad him into uselessness and make this day a complete wash.


What do you think of sent?

I've just spent half an hour looking through his filter and he hasn't contributed anything new at all in the last few visits. Its not just a case of low activity but its what he's doing (or not doing) when he's active. He's arguing points that have no benefit to town or hedging on his previous reads.


Noted. My EoD opinion was he wasn't awful but he hasn't caught my eye since which isn't a good sign. I'll get back to you once I've gotten to him.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
March 06 2019 13:25 GMT
#4190
On March 05 2019 09:41 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 09:40 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2019 09:40 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2019 09:39 Holyflare wrote:
not mafia tho

regardless you are the only sensible vigi shot

20 people need to die

HF needs to die for doing what he did

it was very stupid and he's not very stupid


On March 05 2019 08:20 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 08:19 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 08:17 Palmar wrote:
There's a bunch of people voting to lynch me, so it's time to pull a great game out of the hat:

Let's play: Bad or scum?

Tubesock: No idea, have read almost nothing he's posted which is often a scumtell (I find mafia player uninteresting very often).
Holyflare: I actually think town. Just really bad. I still am suspicious because my brain keeps telling me HF is good at this game, but evidence suggests otherwise.
rsoultin: Almost certainly bad.
Ace: Probably bad because his posting hasn't been shit, but could be long scum. Gonna go with bad for now
Mr. Wiggles: Scum, his filter is shit and he never says anything of value
BloodyC0bbler: Probably scum, not as strong as Wiggles or Sentinel but very scummy
Jockmcplop: Probably bad.
Mocsta: Bad
[UoN]Sentinel: Obvious mafia, small chance of very selifsh anti-town 3p, but almost certainly mafia
Pandain: I'm guessing bad, but like tubesock I have very little opinion. I liked 1 mechanics post but that's really about it
LightningStrike: Bad
raynpelikoneet: Probably bad, he always thinks I'm mafia for some reason
sicklucker: Probably bad, but I can never tell with sicklucker. He's not lying that no scum ever nightkills him because he usually helps mafia more than town when he's town


You achieve nothing with this floundering old man.


Mostly for my own amusement.

Town should 100% kill you if you lynch me though.


On March 05 2019 20:06 Koshi wrote:
My list lynch is now:
HF (vig not on BH)
Wiggles ( Palmar)
Sentinel (Palmar + Tfrel)
Anybody marv currently votes for

I will pick 1 at my pleasure. List will update after lynches but not on nk because those come from mafia.

I am sad Tfrel ended up blue.

Not much more to say and do.


All you need to kill HF.

If you don't listen to these dudes who are now confirmed town and just generally super strong town and now dead, I don't know.

Rayn somehow tries to make this a vivax vs HF thing. Well screw you rayn. I'll just sheep dead confirmed townies that the mafia wanted dead. If that's not an argument I don't know what it is.

You should rather prove why your argument is stronger than that of 3 confirmed killed townies who are generally better players than you.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 13:29 GMT
#4191
You quoted marv early on the night. On the end he was on the fence if you have read his filter.
Palmar didn't think HF is mafia.
Koshi probably didn't even read anything except for HF mayoring Palmar. He called a vig on HF.

None of these players said, as the latest thing before dying, that HF is mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 13:30 GMT
#4192
Is there someone else that thinks this Vivax sheeping dead confirmed townies stinks?
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18446 Posts
March 06 2019 13:32 GMT
#4193
On March 06 2019 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 22:01 Tubesock wrote:
I’d scum the shit out if HF if he platformed killing Palmar, cased and scumread him, and didn’t kill him. Maybe MAYBE not if he killed scum instead. I think I’d still think he could be scum for killing a lurker mafia.

To me the ONLY plausible reason to scumread HF is because he said he tried to change it. And even that is 50/50 really. Everything else he’s done has been good for town.

People say he has a big ego, you think he thought Palmar was scum and wouldn’t shoot for epic plays???

You voters should be arguing that HF didn’t really believe his Palmar case.

But you can’t cause he did.

This! This is the thing that makes all "HF is scum" believers either retards or mafia.

You're scumming me, but I literally did that.

On March 06 2019 20:50 Acrofales wrote:

I know you're new here, but what the hell is this? Doing "specifically pro-mafia stuff" is stuff town doesn't do. You say it's a bad read, but him killing Palmar was almost entirely off his ego being too big for Palmar to beat him in a mayor election. There isn't even any townie reasoning there, it is entirely based on "goal 1": the town isn't big enough for the two of them, so he kills Palmar. It wasn't a "bad read". It wasn't a read at all.


I don't have time right now to collect all my notes in one place, but this is clearly important. So here is his Palmar case:
On March 04 2019 18:14 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 18:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
My mayor lynch will be on Palmar by the way.


I can get behind this, but what's the reasoning behind it?


Only talks about town reads, has no suspicions on pretty much anything in the game. Perpetuates nonsense policy lynch after he likes Sentinel's effort when he hasn't even read it. His last post about acro is entirely a wall of hedge whereby he looks like he's falsely weighing up Acro's alignment but really it's wishy washy and says nothing.

His iamp read looks completely bs too for similar reasons to his acro read. Iamp is town but wait here's reasons I can say he's not town later in the game.

None of this is concrete town palmar stuff. There's also the fact we can acknowledge that mafia were pushing for his candidacy if he does flip mafia


This was on sunday evening, when he was mostly right that Palmar hadn't played much yet. But they were both around all of monday, and nothing happened except HF's ego got more hurt:
On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote:
Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand

How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?

Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing!


And this one is blatantly false:
On March 05 2019 07:18 Holyflare wrote:
Especially now that more people are actually voting him when he has said nothing else of value.


Like... I did the exercise at the time, and tried to read Palmar as scum. I got through the weekend thinking he might be right, because Palmar posted a policy lynch and a bunch of town reads. I did find he was throwing off townie vibes, but figured it might have been him throwing me a green read to bedazzle me. But all of monday (the above post is made an hour and a bit before deadline), Palmar was deep diving people, engaging people, and hunting scum. Classifying that as "nothing of value" is nonsense.

So no, HF really didn't have much of a case on Palmar at all. Definitely not one that shows conviction, and certainly not one where he is trying to actually figure out if he's right or not. He parked the case on Sunday evening and didn't bother analysing anything Palmar did all of Monday.

Now I get that HF is apparently an egomaniac, but he is completely uncritical of his read. He doesn't return to it, just reiterates any time anybody asks that he will kill Palmar. Lamp and Koshi come to their own conclusions of Palmar. They were obviously wrong, but you can see their thought process and you can see Koshi engage with Palmar about it. Not so at all with HF.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
March 06 2019 13:32 GMT
#4194
Thats a bit baity vivax

Better player doesnt mean right. Doubt u would use their authority jf they advocated u for lynch either.

I dunno the way u r going about this is weird in my opinion

U have had a huge tone shift and i dunno what it means

Can u disengage from hf for a tick and feedback on ace pls
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 13:33 GMT
#4195
idk, Vivax sheeping something that isn't an actual read does kinda sound like town, Vivax sheeping a read doesn't.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
March 06 2019 13:34 GMT
#4196
On March 06 2019 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is there someone else that thinks this Vivax sheeping dead confirmed townies stinks?

Yeah

But he was a eon town read for me. So im perplexed right now

Going to bed anyways
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18446 Posts
March 06 2019 13:35 GMT
#4197
On March 06 2019 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i have no doubt in anyone's abilities to figure out all the wiggleses, onegus, blazinghands and aces in this game, i have serious doubts on 26/30 people's abilities to out-yell acrofales.

That's ok. They don't have to out-yell me, they can just sheep me to a town victory.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2019 13:37 GMT
#4198
On March 06 2019 22:32 Acrofales wrote:
But all of monday (the above post is made an hour and a bit before deadline), Palmar was deep diving people, engaging people, and hunting scum. Classifying that as "nothing of value" is nonsense.

So no, HF really didn't have much of a case on Palmar at all. Definitely not one that shows conviction, and certainly not one where he is trying to actually figure out if he's right or not. He parked the case on Sunday evening and didn't bother analysing anything Palmar did all of Monday.

Then why didn't we hear any of this stronger Eod?
Why didn't you try to convince either of the mayors to lynch another suspect (you thought Sentinel is town)?
Why didn't you try to convince Palmar on your Mocsta case and execute him (Palmar was scumreading Mocsta)?
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
March 06 2019 13:37 GMT
#4199
Rayn
I havent read acro case yet

But one small pattern i noticed is that he uses phrases recently put into thread by others

The most recent being blatantly false from hf which i think he used in response to u?

Im not sure he is even aware of this

He also used something i wrote before

To me that says hes paying GREAT attentiin to whats being written
Not just a skim

Its a big town sign to me.. food for thought
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
March 06 2019 13:38 GMT
#4200
On March 05 2019 09:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
Day One final Vote Count

Mayor
Holyflare (16): Tubesock, Holyflare, rsoultin, Ace, Mr. Wiggles, Jockmcplop, Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel
Palmar (12): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, Vivax, BloodyC0bbler, Acrofales, Blazinghand
iamperfection (4): darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster
Chezinu (1):Chezinu
Onegu (1): Onegu
rsoultin (1): Rels
Not Voting (0):

Lynch
Trfel (11): Tubesock, sicklucker, [UoN]Sentinel, Koshi, Mr. Wiggles, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jockmcplop, Acrofales, Vivax, Conversion
Blazinghand (10): Holyflare, Grackaroni, iamperfection, Oatsmaster, WaveOfShadow, raynpelikoneet, Trfel, rsoultin, ExO_, LightningStrike
Conversion (3): Mocsta, Alakaslam, darthfoley
Acrofales (2): Damdred, Tictock
iamperfection (2): BloodyC0bbler, Blazinghand
Koshi (1): Ace
Fecalfeast (1): Pandain
Grackaroni (1): Meapak_Ziphh
LightningStrike (1): Rels
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Chezinu
rsoultin (1): Onegu
Mr. Wiggles (1): Palmar

Not Voting (0):

Holyflare is the Mayor and Trfel is lynched.

Please let us know if you notice any mistakes. The deadline is Tuesday, Mar 05 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .


On March 04 2019 22:36 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 20:31 Palmar wrote:
I don't like Conversion's filter. I especially hate this post:

On March 04 2019 08:13 Conversion wrote:
I’m back sort of. I have interviews all week so wont play much today.

did MZ ever explain his reasoning on why he put Oats low on his scum list for scumreading me, the same as him, but excluded me from his to lynch list? also why he agreed with Oats making a large post of bullshit voted and saying “not town?”

if not I’d like to lynch him


We all know he could've checked the answer in like 3 mouse clicks. He's not posting because he wants to know whether this happened. He's posting because he's very gently asking other people to allow him to have the position that he's considering having.

It's a really, really scummy post.
hmmm took me a few reads to understand this, and yes I get it now. If the read is strong, he would check it himself an ask for "have the position" as eloquently said. If the read is weak, he should sheep,which he does not allude to in the slightest.

Even considering he is busy this is very lazy for town play.

Good pick up and Im happy to vote

##Vote:;Conversion


Why did you vote for Palmar to be mayor lynched again?

You're literally sheeping him on his Conversion case while voting for him to be killed by HF.
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