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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 22 2016 12:39 GMT
#1
Because I feel like it and because people's ego's need rubbing. Here's a completely arbitrary list for 2015. Debate away!

1. Palmar
This Viking is currently the undisputed king of TL Mafia. Often hard to read because he plays exactly as he feels like in a myriad of styles, Palmar still manages to strongly push his opinions as either alignment and always has a big impact on the game, at least, when he wants to. One of his strengths is the ability to cut through standard thought processes to get to the best course of action, changing town sentiment rather than feeling forced to abide by it. A very strong showing in Outlaw where he killed everyone that was right whilst utilizing fluidity in his reads to push his agenda, looking good and still lynching town carried them to victory.

2. Raynpelikoneet
There's a reason Rayn almost always gets shot before Night 3 when he rolls town. An extremely strong town presence coupled with tenacity in his reads. Rayn focuses on logical fallacies in players and won't let go until they prove themselves to be town. Despite this, he's still willing to listen to the players he respects. One major downside to his play is his tendency of getting himself modkilled in one way or another.

3. Artanis[Xp]
Rsoultin:
One of the best players for working with the stubborn ones. Tries to see things from every angle and everyone listens. His reads are pretty good too. Write it yourself, jesus. Also, Imperial.

It's weird writing a segment about yourself. I'd say my greateset strength is the ability to listen to everyone and not tunneling quite as much, though it can lead into being manipulated more easily. I'm pretty good at dissuading people from lynching me and keep a positive town atmosphere.

4. Holyflare
Everyone fears his scumgame, yet somehow he still managed to pull out a scum victory whilst redchecked and still alive on Day 6 in Himalayas and having been hard associated with scum-flipped Mig. He always puts a ton of effort into his games, usually being one of the if not the longest filters in the game.

5. Marvellosity
A great town performance in XXX and a great scum performance in Imperial. Marv still has what it takes and when he tries is probably the best player on the site. Whereas a lot of people have trouble being listened to, somehow, everyone listens to Marv. Good in building bridges and pointing out exactly what troubles him with players, and separates the alignment from the non-alignment indicative things well.

6. NocturneMage
Though he's only played a few games so far, NM's already showing great prowess as both alignments, nailing the scum team single handidly after replacing in on Outlaw and scrounging through 150 pages, he correctly deduced all alignments and got shot over confirmed towns and universal townreads as a replacement. He also hard carried his scumteam in one of the latest student games. NM is a force to be reckoned with.

7. Rels
Some call him Rayn junior, and it is a nickname well earned. Though he doesn't suffer from the rage issues (yet), Rels focuses similarly on logical fallacies as either alignment and pushes players to the brink to make sure they believe what they're saying.

8. Rsoultin
If there's someone who doesn't care what they look like in a game, it's probably Rsoultin. Using a very stream of consciousness playstyle, the best way for her to get reads is to interact. One of her qualities is the ability to listen to everyone and her use of tone reads that have become a trend amongst TL Mafia. She expanded upon the groundwork of focussing on the how instead of the what, and is a frequent N1 kill.

9. Ritoky
Ritoky is a slippery one. You start suspecting him, then he says stuff and you waffle on him. Then you waffle on him some more and before you know it, it's D6, you're dead, and so is everyone that waffled on him. Also very willing to sacrifice himself for the team, he knows when and where to pull the trigger. I need to see a bit more of his town play before I can move him up higher though.

10. Damdred
Helped carry mafia in Imperial, and has many town games under his belt where he's contributed to victory. Often considered a diesel, he takes a while to really get going, though it doesn't always take that long as he crushed Mafia Eden in Linux.

Honorable mention: Half the Sky
If there's one thing HtS is good at, it's keeping everyone involved in discussions and not ignoring anyone. At least, if she's not scumreading them. Her style of case-posting is a forgotten art on TL Mafia, and when she's right, she causes large issues to mafia teams, and she's played a great scumgame in I can't believed it's not themed where she replaced in for Slam and got everyone to townread her to victory.

Honorable mention: The Shining
Not a high post count player, but a very strong player nonetheless. Shining can see things other people miss, and isn't swayed by town consensus very easily. Having never been lynched before as town, he's usually very good at making himself townread. We'll have to see how it goes when he rolls scum a few more times though.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 22 2016 12:40 GMT
#2
spot on.
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 22 2016 12:56 GMT
#3
great job Arty
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 22 2016 13:07 GMT
#4
biased but decent. Top 5 is always gonna be the top 5 after that theres a big drop off. NM a lil too soon. impressive but alot of people nailed that scum team (cough cough) a lil too soon a lil too soon
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-22 13:13:13
January 22 2016 13:12 GMT
#5
Yeah, top 5 is alright even though Holyflare is too low and Artanis too high in my opinion. Rest seems quite random.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 22 2016 13:14 GMT
#6
I agree I would put jat ahead of most of them and it hurts to say this alot =]]=]
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
January 22 2016 13:18 GMT
#7
lol :D

That's not even what I am getting at - I do not like to judge myself. But who knows maybe I would be annoyed if I wasn't in such a good mood right now.
I just think the choice of players and the ordering from 6-10 is pretty random in general.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-22 13:20:23
January 22 2016 13:19 GMT
#8
On January 22 2016 22:12 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah, top 5 is alright even though Holyflare is too low and Artanis too high in my opinion. Rest seems quite random.

I did say it was completely arbitrary
Also feel free to suggest how you'd have it. The idea is to debate and stroke ego's!
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 22 2016 13:23 GMT
#9
So is anyone ever down to play turbo mafia? a 1.30-2 hour game that you spontaneously set up or try to have a set time? Its really easy to set up I modded it before and it can even be done with a bot. Because this community is kind of dying and no one ever has time for full games apparently. I could mod. Is it against the holy rules of tl mafia to get 9 people to play a quick game without having to go through all the lamnest that is the Queue and system?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 22 2016 13:23 GMT
#10
Didint I do a troll top 10 before. ITs coming
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 22 2016 13:24 GMT
#11
On January 22 2016 22:18 justanothertownie wrote:
lol :D

That's not even what I am getting at - I do not like to judge myself. But who knows maybe I would be annoyed if I wasn't in such a good mood right now.
I just think the choice of players and the ordering from 6-10 is pretty random in general.


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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 22 2016 13:25 GMT
#12
No im sure I would get banned
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 22 2016 13:26 GMT
#13
On January 22 2016 22:23 sicklucker wrote:
So is anyone ever down to play turbo mafia? a 1.30-2 hour game that you spontaneously set up or try to have a set time? Its really easy to set up I modded it before and it can even be done with a bot. Because this community is kind of dying and no one ever has time for full games apparently. I could mod. Is it against the holy rules of tl mafia to get 9 people to play a quick game without having to go through all the lamnest that is the Queue and system?

I think IRC and TS are much better venues for this kind of play, (forums can be a bit unwieldy). But no one is gonna stop you trying.

Do it! (and no, quick games should not have to wait in a queue, although you'll have to talk to foolishness).
Computer says mafia
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 22 2016 13:30 GMT
#14
Idk voice mafia scares off some nerds atho this crew seems fine with it I had some good times. The idea is kind of the same you have a dedicated thread and when you have 9 players /in you start it asap
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 22 2016 13:31 GMT
#15
like I have never seen jat in voice mafia :D fucking nerd
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 22 2016 13:33 GMT
#16
I think he's played? he's at least top 12 voice mafia player, maybe barely missing the top 10
Computer says mafia
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 22 2016 13:35 GMT
#17
At least im not afraid of him sacking my coastal monasteries :D
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 22 2016 14:22 GMT
#18
It's a pleasure to see my name in that list but I don't deserve it compared to the others. I'm a good scum but as town I often fail to separate logical mistakes and scum mindset.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
January 22 2016 14:57 GMT
#19
My rank would be:

1. wherebugsgo => destroyed both game I read of him, 1 town 1 scum (witchcraft III and himalayas D1). Would love to play with him one day.
2. rsoultin => don't kill her and the game WILL get solved through talking. It's soooooo irritating to play against her as scum. I'm not sure how often she got endgamed as town but it shouldn't be a lot higher than 0. Good scum.
3. rayn => don't kill him and the game WILL get solved through sheer activity unless the scumteam is hyper active. You can distract him by pointing at stupid though. p: Super good scum.
4. Palmar => god reads and super good scum. Hilarious guy too which is suprisingly helpful to play the game in a good mindset. (=
5. HF => same as above but the spam is hard to read sometimes. Would actually describe his play like that lol, "Palmar-like with double the filter size"
6. ritoky => magical methods that find scums, like "4TH VOTER IN A SCUM LYNCH D1 IS SCUM". When I try them myself I find town instead ... Super good scum.
7. Artanis => always try to see the town motivation behind a suspect's posts. If you let him alive you won't be able to mislynch scummy townies. Like it blows my mind that he called that TT was town when he was red checked by Onegu in Outlaw. Super good scum too.
8. marv => don't kill him and the game will get solved, but sucks as scum.
9. HTS => I love reading her filter. Her cases are crystal clear and effective. Good scum (unless NM is playing ^^).
10. BH => king of scum. Probably best scum around ? Never saw his town game so I cannot judge that.

I wanna place JAT somewhere too but the guy is always in the obs QT. p:
Wanted to place Sciberbia somewhere too because I read two games where he wrecked faces as both scum and town. But I'm pretty sure they weren't in 2015.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
January 22 2016 15:23 GMT
#20
On January 22 2016 22:30 sicklucker wrote:
Idk voice mafia scares off some nerds atho this crew seems fine with it I had some good times. The idea is kind of the same you have a dedicated thread and when you have 9 players /in you start it asap


I'd be up for like a standard day in the week for voice mafia. Like it more than forum tbh due to time constraints and the like.
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