2015 TL Mafia Power Ranking - Page 3

On January 24 2016 00:03 justanothertownie wrote:

I agree.

I think the mafia alignment IS heavily weighed in some cases. Artanis makes top 5 because of it (imperial), ritoky makes the list because of it.
I don't really get the comment about rsoultins scum game either since it is pretty good and probably better than her town game.

On January 24 2016 01:38 rsoultin wrote:


lol >< that's kinda what i thought when i read that tbh. it's much easier for me to be a pain in everyone's backside than to actually play town well and lynch scum but i don't mind the implied compliment

we need to play together again sometime jat now that your thesis is done?

On January 24 2016 02:47 Half the Sky wrote:


Congrats on the defence, I hope you nailed it and I hope it went well. Hopefully you have a job lined up or you are in the throes of interviewing/dishing out CVs, etc. And separate from TL, I hope you have a nice vacation or relaxing activity planned.

On January 24 2016 07:37 Onegu wrote:



Pshhh I always ALWAYS catch her as scum

On January 25 2016 18:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Lynch Palmar.

On January 25 2016 14:24 Eden1892 wrote:
[[inarticulate rabble rousing for placement in top 10]]

On January 25 2016 16:02 ritoky wrote:
i covered someone's shift on a boring floor and thus found myself with a stupid amount of time in which i decided to half-assed do my own rankings. come at me with your salt.

my general criteria for rating people:

as town: 1) make yourself unlynchable 2) solve the game/find mafia 3) be a leader/focal point
as mafia: 1) make yourself unlynchable 2) ability to shift thread direction 3) win in any way possible

as either alignment: 1) have good reads (or make up convincing ones) 2) ability to make a compelling and coherent case

1. palmar - currently the strongest active player overall. i wouldn't say palmar is the best town player, nor would i call him the top scum player. he is simply solid 99% of the time....sometimes he gets afk lynched as town, but let's ignore that....right? right? anyway, palmar has what it takes to win as both alignments in the late game, which is actually a particularly rare trait on these forums. as town, he also can be particularly on point in the early game (calling me out over the tinyest thing in down under and rayn in the cancelled game). where his game can be wanting at times is the mid-game. in the middle days palmar's interest can waiver and his thread control can diminish.

2. holyflare - inactivity and rust drops him from the top spot to number 2. there isn't quite anyone who can grab hold of a thread's direction through shear force of will and activity like holyflare. further he is very disarming to play against because he has a manner of forcing you to fight him on his battlefield. he doesn't buy your gut reads, he doesn't like your stupid tone shit, if you wanna go toe to toe with him it is cold hard logic or gtfo. his weakest aspect is probably his early game reads as town as he can have a tough time distinguishing idiocy or newb play from scum play.

3. artanis - wanna get someone lynched? call artanis, he'll have a case ready for you in no time. what makes artanis good outside of his ability to convince you of his point via walls of text is the he is malleable. the guy is like clay. oh hey, artanis is mafia with a pile of douchebags? well he makes it work. oh look town is fighting, here comes artanis to broker a peace deal. therein lies what i think that keeps artanis down a bit though, that i feel artanis by his nature or personality is more of a "support" player than a "carry" player. not that he is incapable because i think there are examples where he has done so; i simply don't think he is quite the personality to be that shining beacon that leads people to the promised land.

4. rayn - these next 2 are very similar in that i think both are slightly 1 dimensional players toward the town alignment. the difference being that i believe rayn CAN pull out a scary scum game from time to time, whereas i think that less of koshi. rayn is simply the leader who is unlynchable, will solve the game, will dominate the thread and must be shot as town. that is just who he is, take it or leave it. his reads are good, his cases are good, and he finds scum at an abnormally high rate considering how long he is normally alive. as scum he is capable for about 72 hours normally before his lack of fucks given takes over, but every once in a while a game rolls around that teaches you not to sleep on rayn as scum. however as mafia he can fall victim to the "why are you alive on d4?" argument quite easily. more fucks given and more consistency as mafia will push himself up the list.

5. koshi - an early game monster. koshi is a king of making himself completely unlynchable as town. so much so that many a game have i been in a mafia QT or seen a mafia QT where the consensus within the first 2 days is that koshi must die because there's no way he is getting lynched. are his reads top tier? no. does he leave something to be desired as scum? yes. and that is why he is here. koshi is a town leader and it is VERY clear when he is and he is quite good at it as well. his scum game needs work mostly on the grounds that the dispairity between the 2 becomes quite apparent beyond day 2 (i.e. the energy/anger dropoff). his weakest area is simply that he is slightly 1 dimensional. that 1 dimension is very good though.

6. damdred - damdred still has it inside him, i sincerely believe that. this may be biased, but to me damdred is one of the players i fear the most on all of TL. i thin he is a top tier town who's only real deficiency is that he can sometimes give scum easy early passes and i think he is probably the 2nd most stable and solid scum player behind palmar. i think the problem and why damdred is down here versus in the top 3 or 4 is simply time and investment. he phone posts more these days and seems to have less time; when he gives it his all though i think he is top 3 or 4.

7. glowingbear - many people will disagree with this, to which i simply say: "scoreboard". you don't have the highest win percentage on the site as scum by just getting lucky. GB is the 1 special case in terms of how i assess him. to put it in starcraft terms: GB is the guy who 6 pools every game. seriously, when's the last time you saw GB in late game? the thing about GB is that he is never going to be the guy that is there alive at the end winning the game for you, that's just not in him. he burns bright in the early game then fizzles out. that said he is a man who creates things; he is a mover and shaker; a playmaker. often he will challenger someone and force a thread into an me vs him situation where people are forced to choose sides and many times people will choose to lynch GB, but from his corpse springs a bounty of information if he is town or a wealth of space in which to operate as mafia. GB's playstyle is very different than most and not traditional, but highly effective.

ran out of time so these next few are hurried, sorry m8s have to actually work now :/

8. VE - great reads, fairly unlynchable, good at leading when he wants but is very inconsistent about taking control of the thread, very convincing; is particularly strong at "faking it"; inactivity drops him, he could be higher.

9. Blazinghand - really? the RNG guy? he doesn't really play much anyways. yeah well, he kicks ass when he plays. he makes probably the best or 2nd best cases of active players when he does play. if he gets past the early days, he is a late game monster as both alignments. also has a WIFOM cannon.

10. SL - slow starter, strong mid game and strong late game, needs to work a bit on leadership skills as he can sometimes wind up playing second fiddle to a larger personality. has a very unique ability where he becomes a drastically better player the more he gets backed into a corner. 1 moment you think you're going to lynch him, then 2 hours later you're certain he needs to be NK'd or you just realized you fucked up trying to ML him.

11-14 is probably somethins along the lines of rsoul, me, jat, kush but who cares cuz we ain't top 10.

Hey ritoky, why isn't marv on this list?

If you quit multiple games and can't be bothered to play just because you got the alignment "mafia", then I can't be bothered to rank you. (salt)