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Because I feel like it and because people's ego's need rubbing. Here's a completely arbitrary list for 2015. Debate away!
1. Palmar
This Viking is currently the undisputed king of TL Mafia. Often hard to read because he plays exactly as he feels like in a myriad of styles, Palmar still manages to strongly push his opinions as either alignment and always has a big impact on the game, at least, when he wants to. One of his strengths is the ability to cut through standard thought processes to get to the best course of action, changing town sentiment rather than feeling forced to abide by it. A very strong showing in Outlaw where he killed everyone that was right whilst utilizing fluidity in his reads to push his agenda, looking good and still lynching town carried them to victory.
2. Raynpelikoneet
There's a reason Rayn almost always gets shot before Night 3 when he rolls town. An extremely strong town presence coupled with tenacity in his reads. Rayn focuses on logical fallacies in players and won't let go until they prove themselves to be town. Despite this, he's still willing to listen to the players he respects. One major downside to his play is his tendency of getting himself modkilled in one way or another.
3. Artanis[Xp]
Rsoultin:
One of the best players for working with the stubborn ones. Tries to see things from every angle and everyone listens. His reads are pretty good too. Write it yourself, jesus. Also, Imperial.
It's weird writing a segment about yourself. I'd say my greateset strength is the ability to listen to everyone and not tunneling quite as much, though it can lead into being manipulated more easily. I'm pretty good at dissuading people from lynching me and keep a positive town atmosphere.
4. Holyflare
Everyone fears his scumgame, yet somehow he still managed to pull out a scum victory whilst redchecked and still alive on Day 6 in Himalayas and having been hard associated with scum-flipped Mig. He always puts a ton of effort into his games, usually being one of the if not the longest filters in the game.
5. Marvellosity
A great town performance in XXX and a great scum performance in Imperial. Marv still has what it takes and when he tries is probably the best player on the site. Whereas a lot of people have trouble being listened to, somehow, everyone listens to Marv. Good in building bridges and pointing out exactly what troubles him with players, and separates the alignment from the non-alignment indicative things well.
6. NocturneMage
Though he's only played a few games so far, NM's already showing great prowess as both alignments, nailing the scum team single handidly after replacing in on Outlaw and scrounging through 150 pages, he correctly deduced all alignments and got shot over confirmed towns and universal townreads as a replacement. He also hard carried his scumteam in one of the latest student games. NM is a force to be reckoned with.
7. Rels
Some call him Rayn junior, and it is a nickname well earned. Though he doesn't suffer from the rage issues (yet), Rels focuses similarly on logical fallacies as either alignment and pushes players to the brink to make sure they believe what they're saying.
8. Rsoultin
If there's someone who doesn't care what they look like in a game, it's probably Rsoultin. Using a very stream of consciousness playstyle, the best way for her to get reads is to interact. One of her qualities is the ability to listen to everyone and her use of tone reads that have become a trend amongst TL Mafia. She expanded upon the groundwork of focussing on the how instead of the what, and is a frequent N1 kill.
9. Ritoky
Ritoky is a slippery one. You start suspecting him, then he says stuff and you waffle on him. Then you waffle on him some more and before you know it, it's D6, you're dead, and so is everyone that waffled on him. Also very willing to sacrifice himself for the team, he knows when and where to pull the trigger. I need to see a bit more of his town play before I can move him up higher though.
10. Damdred
Helped carry mafia in Imperial, and has many town games under his belt where he's contributed to victory. Often considered a diesel, he takes a while to really get going, though it doesn't always take that long as he crushed Mafia Eden in Linux.
Honorable mention: Half the Sky
If there's one thing HtS is good at, it's keeping everyone involved in discussions and not ignoring anyone. At least, if she's not scumreading them. Her style of case-posting is a forgotten art on TL Mafia, and when she's right, she causes large issues to mafia teams, and she's played a great scumgame in I can't believed it's not themed where she replaced in for Slam and got everyone to townread her to victory.
Honorable mention: The Shining
Not a high post count player, but a very strong player nonetheless. Shining can see things other people miss, and isn't swayed by town consensus very easily. Having never been lynched before as town, he's usually very good at making himself townread. We'll have to see how it goes when he rolls scum a few more times though.
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great job Arty 
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biased but decent. Top 5 is always gonna be the top 5 after that theres a big drop off. NM a lil too soon. impressive but alot of people nailed that scum team (cough cough) a lil too soon a lil too soon
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Yeah, top 5 is alright even though Holyflare is too low and Artanis too high in my opinion. Rest seems quite random.
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I agree I would put jat ahead of most of them and it hurts to say this alot =]]=]
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lol :D
That's not even what I am getting at - I do not like to judge myself. But who knows maybe I would be annoyed if I wasn't in such a good mood right now.
I just think the choice of players and the ordering from 6-10 is pretty random in general.
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On January 22 2016 22:12 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah, top 5 is alright even though Holyflare is too low and Artanis too high in my opinion. Rest seems quite random.
I did say it was completely arbitrary 
Also feel free to suggest how you'd have it. The idea is to debate and stroke ego's!
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So is anyone ever down to play turbo mafia? a 1.30-2 hour game that you spontaneously set up or try to have a set time? Its really easy to set up I modded it before and it can even be done with a bot. Because this community is kind of dying and no one ever has time for full games apparently. I could mod. Is it against the holy rules of tl mafia to get 9 people to play a quick game without having to go through all the lamnest that is the Queue and system?
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Didint I do a troll top 10 before. ITs coming
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On January 22 2016 22:18 justanothertownie wrote:
lol :D
That's not even what I am getting at - I do not like to judge myself. But who knows maybe I would be annoyed if I wasn't in such a good mood right now.
I just think the choice of players and the ordering from 6-10 is pretty random in general.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/slkX2qW.jpg?1)
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No im sure I would get banned
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On January 22 2016 22:23 sicklucker wrote:
So is anyone ever down to play turbo mafia? a 1.30-2 hour game that you spontaneously set up or try to have a set time? Its really easy to set up I modded it before and it can even be done with a bot. Because this community is kind of dying and no one ever has time for full games apparently. I could mod. Is it against the holy rules of tl mafia to get 9 people to play a quick game without having to go through all the lamnest that is the Queue and system?
I think IRC and TS are much better venues for this kind of play, (forums can be a bit unwieldy). But no one is gonna stop you trying.
Do it! (and no, quick games should not have to wait in a queue, although you'll have to talk to foolishness).
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Idk voice mafia scares off some nerds atho this crew seems fine with it I had some good times. The idea is kind of the same you have a dedicated thread and when you have 9 players /in you start it asap
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like I have never seen jat in voice mafia :D fucking nerd
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I think he's played? he's at least top 12 voice mafia player, maybe barely missing the top 10
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At least im not afraid of him sacking my coastal monasteries :D
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It's a pleasure to see my name in that list but I don't deserve it compared to the others. I'm a good scum but as town I often fail to separate logical mistakes and scum mindset.
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My rank would be:
1. wherebugsgo => destroyed both game I read of him, 1 town 1 scum (witchcraft III and himalayas D1). Would love to play with him one day.
2. rsoultin => don't kill her and the game WILL get solved through talking. It's soooooo irritating to play against her as scum. I'm not sure how often she got endgamed as town but it shouldn't be a lot higher than 0. Good scum.
3. rayn => don't kill him and the game WILL get solved through sheer activity unless the scumteam is hyper active. You can distract him by pointing at stupid though. p: Super good scum.
4. Palmar => god reads and super good scum. Hilarious guy too which is suprisingly helpful to play the game in a good mindset. (=
5. HF => same as above but the spam is hard to read sometimes. Would actually describe his play like that lol, "Palmar-like with double the filter size"
6. ritoky => magical methods that find scums, like "4TH VOTER IN A SCUM LYNCH D1 IS SCUM". When I try them myself I find town instead ... Super good scum.
7. Artanis => always try to see the town motivation behind a suspect's posts. If you let him alive you won't be able to mislynch scummy townies. Like it blows my mind that he called that TT was town when he was red checked by Onegu in Outlaw. Super good scum too.
8. marv => don't kill him and the game will get solved, but sucks as scum.
9. HTS => I love reading her filter. Her cases are crystal clear and effective. Good scum (unless NM is playing ^^).
10. BH => king of scum. Probably best scum around ? Never saw his town game so I cannot judge that.
I wanna place JAT somewhere too but the guy is always in the obs QT. p:
Wanted to place Sciberbia somewhere too because I read two games where he wrecked faces as both scum and town. But I'm pretty sure they weren't in 2015.
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On January 22 2016 22:30 sicklucker wrote:
Idk voice mafia scares off some nerds atho this crew seems fine with it I had some good times. The idea is kind of the same you have a dedicated thread and when you have 9 players /in you start it asap
I'd be up for like a standard day in the week for voice mafia. Like it more than forum tbh due to time constraints and the like.
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On January 22 2016 23:22 Rels wrote:
It's a pleasure to see my name in that list but I don't deserve it compared to the others. I'm a good scum but as town I often fail to separate logical mistakes and scum mindset.
Rayn does that all the time
I couldn't rank players by performance. I care so little through sheer narcissism to see how well one does to the other.
I can just say the undeniable indisputable good and often excellents are:
Marv
Foolishness
Palmar
Blazinghand (more due to the sheer excellence of the more excellent performances giving him honorable mention- he has had bads)
Ace
Ver
Hapahauli
The usually excellent but sometimes bad are:
Well, BH
Artanis[XP]
Incognito
Imperfection
Yamato77
raynpelikoneet
Holyflare
Half the sky
Rsoultin
VisceraEyes
Geript
Kitaman27
Chezinu
Hurricane Sponge
The could be good but usually meh include:
Me
Kush
Grackaroni
Oatsmaster
Onegu
Sicklucker
The rest I have insufficient experience to truly gauge (this is not a ranking, see Marv and foolishness above palmar and BH and hapa) or have been forgotten by the careless eye of hijole
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On January 22 2016 22:24 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 22:18 justanothertownie wrote:
lol :D
That's not even what I am getting at - I do not like to judge myself. But who knows maybe I would be annoyed if I wasn't in such a good mood right now.
I just think the choice of players and the ordering from 6-10 is pretty random in general.
On January 22 2016 22:33 Palmar wrote:
I think he's played? he's at least top 12 voice mafia player, maybe barely missing the top 10
Hehe, even a master troll like you won't annoy me today :D
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On January 22 2016 23:57 Rels wrote:
I wanna place JAT somewhere too but the guy is always in the obs QT. p:
Yeah, because in the last 6 months I had 0 time to play mafia.
My top 5 would be something like this:
Palmar
HF
Rayn
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Marv
Artanis
and then the rest where the ordering becomes difficult
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JAT not even in HM seems criminal to me unless he also disappeared for the entire second half of 2015 like I did
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On January 23 2016 02:56 Eden1892 wrote:
JAT not even in HM seems criminal to me unless he also disappeared for the entire second half of 2015 like I did
Didn't include JAT because not many games and the games he has played he hasn't done well in statistically. Lynched or shot in each scumgame and left alive pretty long in his towngames, though this is only from looking at the database. I don't remember much of JAT's games this year other than him agreeing with me a lot in Imperial
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On January 23 2016 02:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2016 02:56 Eden1892 wrote:
JAT not even in HM seems criminal to me unless he also disappeared for the entire second half of 2015 like I did Didn't include JAT because not many games and the games he has played he hasn't done well in statistically. Lynched or shot in each scumgame and left alive pretty long in his towngames, though this is only from looking at the database. I don't remember much of JAT's games this year other than him agreeing with me a lot in Imperial
oO
I got nightkilled in every single towngame except for the one that ended prematurely due to a modkill where scum was just about to shoot me. I was lynched as mafia once because my teammates both bussed me and cced my fakeclaim and the time I was shot we had already conceded and I got shot for trolling rsoultin.
I mean you can put whoever you want on your list but if you go for those criteria there are a few people on there who did worse ^^
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Not many games is kinda true though if you don't count the 2 smurf ones in which mafia shot me n1 each time.
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On January 23 2016 03:07 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2016 02:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 23 2016 02:56 Eden1892 wrote:
JAT not even in HM seems criminal to me unless he also disappeared for the entire second half of 2015 like I did Didn't include JAT because not many games and the games he has played he hasn't done well in statistically. Lynched or shot in each scumgame and left alive pretty long in his towngames, though this is only from looking at the database. I don't remember much of JAT's games this year other than him agreeing with me a lot in Imperial oO I got nightkilled in every single towngame except for the one that ended prematurely due to a modkill where scum was just about to shoot me. I was lynched as mafia once because my teammates both bussed me and cced my fakeclaim and the time I was shot we had already conceded and I got shot for trolling rsoultin. I mean you can put whoever you want on your list but if you go for those criteria there are a few people on there who did worse ^^
I did say that I only looked through the database at the results and stuff for you  Not getting shot N1 a single time as town, shameful display.
On January 23 2016 03:09 justanothertownie wrote:
Not many games is kinda true though if you don't count the 2 smurf ones in which mafia shot me n1 each time.
Yeah, I didn't actually see those
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On January 23 2016 03:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2016 03:07 justanothertownie wrote:On January 23 2016 02:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 23 2016 02:56 Eden1892 wrote:
JAT not even in HM seems criminal to me unless he also disappeared for the entire second half of 2015 like I did Didn't include JAT because not many games and the games he has played he hasn't done well in statistically. Lynched or shot in each scumgame and left alive pretty long in his towngames, though this is only from looking at the database. I don't remember much of JAT's games this year other than him agreeing with me a lot in Imperial oO I got nightkilled in every single towngame except for the one that ended prematurely due to a modkill where scum was just about to shoot me. I was lynched as mafia once because my teammates both bussed me and cced my fakeclaim and the time I was shot we had already conceded and I got shot for trolling rsoultin. I mean you can put whoever you want on your list but if you go for those criteria there are a few people on there who did worse ^^ I did say that I only looked through the database at the results and stuff for you Not getting shot N1 a single time as town, shameful display. Show nested quote +On January 23 2016 03:09 justanothertownie wrote:
Not many games is kinda true though if you don't count the 2 smurf ones in which mafia shot me n1 each time. Yeah, I didn't actually see those
Ippo and one of the gaidens (?). Mafia actually shot me multiple times in both of those.
And lol to this criterium when you yourself did not shoot me in imperial only because you were medic dodging on Eden :p
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On January 23 2016 03:13 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2016 03:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 23 2016 03:07 justanothertownie wrote:On January 23 2016 02:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 23 2016 02:56 Eden1892 wrote:
JAT not even in HM seems criminal to me unless he also disappeared for the entire second half of 2015 like I did Didn't include JAT because not many games and the games he has played he hasn't done well in statistically. Lynched or shot in each scumgame and left alive pretty long in his towngames, though this is only from looking at the database. I don't remember much of JAT's games this year other than him agreeing with me a lot in Imperial oO I got nightkilled in every single towngame except for the one that ended prematurely due to a modkill where scum was just about to shoot me. I was lynched as mafia once because my teammates both bussed me and cced my fakeclaim and the time I was shot we had already conceded and I got shot for trolling rsoultin. I mean you can put whoever you want on your list but if you go for those criteria there are a few people on there who did worse ^^ I did say that I only looked through the database at the results and stuff for you Not getting shot N1 a single time as town, shameful display. On January 23 2016 03:09 justanothertownie wrote:
Not many games is kinda true though if you don't count the 2 smurf ones in which mafia shot me n1 each time. Yeah, I didn't actually see those Ippo and one of the gaidens (?). Mafia actually shot me multiple times in both of those.
You made the crucial mistake of not actually dying when you get shot though.
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On January 23 2016 03:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2016 03:13 justanothertownie wrote:On January 23 2016 03:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 23 2016 03:07 justanothertownie wrote:On January 23 2016 02:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 23 2016 02:56 Eden1892 wrote:
JAT not even in HM seems criminal to me unless he also disappeared for the entire second half of 2015 like I did Didn't include JAT because not many games and the games he has played he hasn't done well in statistically. Lynched or shot in each scumgame and left alive pretty long in his towngames, though this is only from looking at the database. I don't remember much of JAT's games this year other than him agreeing with me a lot in Imperial oO I got nightkilled in every single towngame except for the one that ended prematurely due to a modkill where scum was just about to shoot me. I was lynched as mafia once because my teammates both bussed me and cced my fakeclaim and the time I was shot we had already conceded and I got shot for trolling rsoultin. I mean you can put whoever you want on your list but if you go for those criteria there are a few people on there who did worse ^^ I did say that I only looked through the database at the results and stuff for you Not getting shot N1 a single time as town, shameful display. On January 23 2016 03:09 justanothertownie wrote:
Not many games is kinda true though if you don't count the 2 smurf ones in which mafia shot me n1 each time. Yeah, I didn't actually see those Ippo and one of the gaidens (?). Mafia actually shot me multiple times in both of those. You made the crucial mistake of not actually dying when you get shot though.
Can't argue with that.
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I think it depends
Like JAT is an obvious top 6 player I think most times, but i'm not sure hes played enough if its quarterly rankings
I would probably agree with the top 10, I think rels is still a bit early to put in but I can't super argue with it.
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my main comment on these rankings is that i think town play is being weighed far more heavily than scum play.
personally i would pull rels and NM off the list for lack of games and information as both alignments. that's not really their fault and i don't doubt them as players, it is simply hard to give someone an honest evaluation when your sample size is 1 or 0 (also having a sample size of 1 or 0 makes you fairly impervious to meta which is heavily used).
i would also pull myself and rsoul off the list because i personally believe we are opposite sides of the same coin, being that we are incredibly talented at 1 alignment (me mafia, her town) which leaves much to be desired from the other.
some scums that i am happy to see on my team that i think are undervalued here: GB, SL, VE, OWS, kush (esp after seeing personality mafia)
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+ Show Spoiler +SL is pretty under rated regardless
Break in case of emergency.
But yeah its a bit to town sided
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I mean the fact I was put in a braket with four policy lyches is fun but I never cared what people think
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For real though SL might have some weak moments sometimes as town but hes generally reversed my opinon of hi splay the past few games hes played.
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On January 23 2016 08:49 sicklucker wrote:
I mean the fact I was put in a braket with four policy lyches is fun but I never cared what people think
if i was mafia, and you were town, i would kill you before some people on this top 10 list; juzzayin <3 bbgurl
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On January 23 2016 08:52 Damdred wrote:
For real though SL might have some weak moments sometimes as town but hes generally reversed my opinon of hi splay the past few games hes played.
honestly lol i've said this very thing to lex several times since you came back, sl
also, yeah, i'm flattered but there are more than 10 players on this site who are better than i am
Edit: riiiitoky i think you're undervaluing your town play though ^^ your scum play may be better but you're definitely one of my favorite people to roll town with, even if we always seem to end up suspecting each other lol
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On January 23 2016 08:52 Damdred wrote:
For real though SL might have some weak moments sometimes as town but hes generally reversed my opinon of hi splay the past few games hes played.
I agree.
I think the mafia alignment IS heavily weighed in some cases. Artanis makes top 5 because of it (imperial), ritoky makes the list because of it.
I don't really get the comment about rsoultins scum game either since it is pretty good and probably better than her town game.
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On January 24 2016 00:03 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2016 08:52 Damdred wrote:
For real though SL might have some weak moments sometimes as town but hes generally reversed my opinon of hi splay the past few games hes played. I agree. I think the mafia alignment IS heavily weighed in some cases. Artanis makes top 5 because of it (imperial), ritoky makes the list because of it. I don't really get the comment about rsoultins scum game either since it is pretty good and probably better than her town game.
lol >< that's kinda what i thought when i read that tbh. it's much easier for me to be a pain in everyone's backside than to actually play town well and lynch scum but i don't mind the implied compliment
we need to play together again sometime jat now that your thesis is done?
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On January 24 2016 01:38 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 00:03 justanothertownie wrote:On January 23 2016 08:52 Damdred wrote:
For real though SL might have some weak moments sometimes as town but hes generally reversed my opinon of hi splay the past few games hes played. I agree. I think the mafia alignment IS heavily weighed in some cases. Artanis makes top 5 because of it (imperial), ritoky makes the list because of it. I don't really get the comment about rsoultins scum game either since it is pretty good and probably better than her town game. lol >< that's kinda what i thought when i read that tbh. it's much easier for me to be a pain in everyone's backside than to actually play town well and lynch scum but i don't mind the implied compliment we need to play together again sometime jat now that your thesis is done?
Sure. I defended it yesterday so I should have a lot of time for a while.
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On January 24 2016 01:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 01:38 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2016 00:03 justanothertownie wrote:On January 23 2016 08:52 Damdred wrote:
For real though SL might have some weak moments sometimes as town but hes generally reversed my opinon of hi splay the past few games hes played. I agree. I think the mafia alignment IS heavily weighed in some cases. Artanis makes top 5 because of it (imperial), ritoky makes the list because of it. I don't really get the comment about rsoultins scum game either since it is pretty good and probably better than her town game. lol >< that's kinda what i thought when i read that tbh. it's much easier for me to be a pain in everyone's backside than to actually play town well and lynch scum but i don't mind the implied compliment we need to play together again sometime jat now that your thesis is done? Sure. I defended it yesterday so I should have a lot of time for a while.
Congrats on the defence, I hope you nailed it and I hope it went well. Hopefully you have a job lined up or you are in the throes of interviewing/dishing out CVs, etc. And separate from TL, I hope you have a nice vacation or relaxing activity planned.
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On January 24 2016 02:47 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 01:58 justanothertownie wrote:On January 24 2016 01:38 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2016 00:03 justanothertownie wrote:On January 23 2016 08:52 Damdred wrote:
For real though SL might have some weak moments sometimes as town but hes generally reversed my opinon of hi splay the past few games hes played. I agree. I think the mafia alignment IS heavily weighed in some cases. Artanis makes top 5 because of it (imperial), ritoky makes the list because of it. I don't really get the comment about rsoultins scum game either since it is pretty good and probably better than her town game. lol >< that's kinda what i thought when i read that tbh. it's much easier for me to be a pain in everyone's backside than to actually play town well and lynch scum but i don't mind the implied compliment we need to play together again sometime jat now that your thesis is done? Sure. I defended it yesterday so I should have a lot of time for a while. Congrats on the defence, I hope you nailed it and I hope it went well. Hopefully you have a job lined up or you are in the throes of interviewing/dishing out CVs, etc. And separate from TL, I hope you have a nice vacation or relaxing activity planned.
Thanks
All things considered it couldn't have went any better. I will see about what I am doing next during the coming weeks.
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On January 24 2016 01:38 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 00:03 justanothertownie wrote:On January 23 2016 08:52 Damdred wrote:
For real though SL might have some weak moments sometimes as town but hes generally reversed my opinon of hi splay the past few games hes played. I agree. I think the mafia alignment IS heavily weighed in some cases. Artanis makes top 5 because of it (imperial), ritoky makes the list because of it. I don't really get the comment about rsoultins scum game either since it is pretty good and probably better than her town game. lol >< that's kinda what i thought when i read that tbh. it's much easier for me to be a pain in everyone's backside than to actually play town well and lynch scum but i don't mind the implied compliment we need to play together again sometime jat now that your thesis is done?
Pshhh I always ALWAYS catch her as scum
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On January 24 2016 07:37 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2016 01:38 rsoultin wrote:On January 24 2016 00:03 justanothertownie wrote:On January 23 2016 08:52 Damdred wrote:
For real though SL might have some weak moments sometimes as town but hes generally reversed my opinon of hi splay the past few games hes played. I agree. I think the mafia alignment IS heavily weighed in some cases. Artanis makes top 5 because of it (imperial), ritoky makes the list because of it. I don't really get the comment about rsoultins scum game either since it is pretty good and probably better than her town game. lol >< that's kinda what i thought when i read that tbh. it's much easier for me to be a pain in everyone's backside than to actually play town well and lynch scum but i don't mind the implied compliment we need to play together again sometime jat now that your thesis is done? Pshhh I always ALWAYS catch her as scum
yup if we ignore that you ALWAYS "catch" me as town, that's super impressive
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Artanis, where's my name? 
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On January 25 2016 11:57 GlowingBear wrote:Artanis, where's my name?
Dont worry the fact I am not on this list makes this thread irrelevant...
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[[inarticulate rabble rousing for placement in top 10]]
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i covered someone's shift on a boring floor and thus found myself with a stupid amount of time in which i decided to half-assed do my own rankings. come at me with your salt.
my general criteria for rating people:
as town: 1) make yourself unlynchable 2) solve the game/find mafia 3) be a leader/focal point
as mafia: 1) make yourself unlynchable 2) ability to shift thread direction 3) win in any way possible
as either alignment: 1) have good reads (or make up convincing ones) 2) ability to make a compelling and coherent case
1. palmar - currently the strongest active player overall. i wouldn't say palmar is the best town player, nor would i call him the top scum player. he is simply solid 99% of the time....sometimes he gets afk lynched as town, but let's ignore that....right? right? anyway, palmar has what it takes to win as both alignments in the late game, which is actually a particularly rare trait on these forums. as town, he also can be particularly on point in the early game (calling me out over the tinyest thing in down under and rayn in the cancelled game). where his game can be wanting at times is the mid-game. in the middle days palmar's interest can waiver and his thread control can diminish.
2. holyflare - inactivity and rust drops him from the top spot to number 2. there isn't quite anyone who can grab hold of a thread's direction through shear force of will and activity like holyflare. further he is very disarming to play against because he has a manner of forcing you to fight him on his battlefield. he doesn't buy your gut reads, he doesn't like your stupid tone shit, if you wanna go toe to toe with him it is cold hard logic or gtfo. his weakest aspect is probably his early game reads as town as he can have a tough time distinguishing idiocy or newb play from scum play.
3. artanis - wanna get someone lynched? call artanis, he'll have a case ready for you in no time. what makes artanis good outside of his ability to convince you of his point via walls of text is the he is malleable. the guy is like clay. oh hey, artanis is mafia with a pile of douchebags? well he makes it work. oh look town is fighting, here comes artanis to broker a peace deal. therein lies what i think that keeps artanis down a bit though, that i feel artanis by his nature or personality is more of a "support" player than a "carry" player. not that he is incapable because i think there are examples where he has done so; i simply don't think he is quite the personality to be that shining beacon that leads people to the promised land.
4. rayn - these next 2 are very similar in that i think both are slightly 1 dimensional players toward the town alignment. the difference being that i believe rayn CAN pull out a scary scum game from time to time, whereas i think that less of koshi. rayn is simply the leader who is unlynchable, will solve the game, will dominate the thread and must be shot as town. that is just who he is, take it or leave it. his reads are good, his cases are good, and he finds scum at an abnormally high rate considering how long he is normally alive. as scum he is capable for about 72 hours normally before his lack of fucks given takes over, but every once in a while a game rolls around that teaches you not to sleep on rayn as scum. however as mafia he can fall victim to the "why are you alive on d4?" argument quite easily. more fucks given and more consistency as mafia will push himself up the list.
5. koshi - an early game monster. koshi is a king of making himself completely unlynchable as town. so much so that many a game have i been in a mafia QT or seen a mafia QT where the consensus within the first 2 days is that koshi must die because there's no way he is getting lynched. are his reads top tier? no. does he leave something to be desired as scum? yes. and that is why he is here. koshi is a town leader and it is VERY clear when he is and he is quite good at it as well. his scum game needs work mostly on the grounds that the dispairity between the 2 becomes quite apparent beyond day 2 (i.e. the energy/anger dropoff). his weakest area is simply that he is slightly 1 dimensional. that 1 dimension is very good though.
6. damdred - damdred still has it inside him, i sincerely believe that. this may be biased, but to me damdred is one of the players i fear the most on all of TL. i thin he is a top tier town who's only real deficiency is that he can sometimes give scum easy early passes and i think he is probably the 2nd most stable and solid scum player behind palmar. i think the problem and why damdred is down here versus in the top 3 or 4 is simply time and investment. he phone posts more these days and seems to have less time; when he gives it his all though i think he is top 3 or 4.
7. glowingbear - many people will disagree with this, to which i simply say: "scoreboard". you don't have the highest win percentage on the site as scum by just getting lucky. GB is the 1 special case in terms of how i assess him. to put it in starcraft terms: GB is the guy who 6 pools every game. seriously, when's the last time you saw GB in late game? the thing about GB is that he is never going to be the guy that is there alive at the end winning the game for you, that's just not in him. he burns bright in the early game then fizzles out. that said he is a man who creates things; he is a mover and shaker; a playmaker. often he will challenger someone and force a thread into an me vs him situation where people are forced to choose sides and many times people will choose to lynch GB, but from his corpse springs a bounty of information if he is town or a wealth of space in which to operate as mafia. GB's playstyle is very different than most and not traditional, but highly effective.
ran out of time so these next few are hurried, sorry m8s have to actually work now :/
8. VE - great reads, fairly unlynchable, good at leading when he wants but is very inconsistent about taking control of the thread, very convincing; is particularly strong at "faking it"; inactivity drops him, he could be higher.
9. Blazinghand - really? the RNG guy? he doesn't really play much anyways. yeah well, he kicks ass when he plays. he makes probably the best or 2nd best cases of active players when he does play. if he gets past the early days, he is a late game monster as both alignments. also has a WIFOM cannon.
10. SL - slow starter, strong mid game and strong late game, needs to work a bit on leadership skills as he can sometimes wind up playing second fiddle to a larger personality. has a very unique ability where he becomes a drastically better player the more he gets backed into a corner. 1 moment you think you're going to lynch him, then 2 hours later you're certain he needs to be NK'd or you just realized you fucked up trying to ML him.
11-14 is probably somethins along the lines of rsoul, me, jat, kush but who cares cuz we ain't top 10.
Hey ritoky, why isn't marv on this list?
If you quit multiple games and can't be bothered to play just because you got the alignment "mafia", then I can't be bothered to rank you. (salt)
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I was a 6 pooler it was a legit strat man
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or maybe it was 5 pool. there were some huge maps (3 player maps where protoss always fe's) you could send your overload and scout them by the time you needed to see the location and always stop the fast expo.
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See ritoky you're doing it wrong. This humble thing doesn't really work at all. You should've put yourself on the list. Notice how everyone thinks I'm really good at mafia? The primary reason is that I repeatedly call everyone else bad and myself basically scumhunting-jesus. If you just say it often enough people will end up believing it.
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It's a bit similar to the "kill toad" strategy.
That's why I had to kill artanis when he went with the "lynch Palmar" strategy. I simply had to limit the amount of times he could say it before people started believing it.
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On January 25 2016 18:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Lynch Palmar.
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On January 25 2016 14:24 Eden1892 wrote:
[[inarticulate rabble rousing for placement in top 10]]
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On January 25 2016 18:21 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 14:24 Eden1892 wrote:
[[inarticulate rabble rousing for placement in top 10]]
Play more, survive past Day 1 as mafia
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On January 25 2016 16:02 ritoky wrote:
i covered someone's shift on a boring floor and thus found myself with a stupid amount of time in which i decided to half-assed do my own rankings. come at me with your salt.
my general criteria for rating people:
as town: 1) make yourself unlynchable 2) solve the game/find mafia 3) be a leader/focal point
as mafia: 1) make yourself unlynchable 2) ability to shift thread direction 3) win in any way possible
as either alignment: 1) have good reads (or make up convincing ones) 2) ability to make a compelling and coherent case
1. palmar - currently the strongest active player overall. i wouldn't say palmar is the best town player, nor would i call him the top scum player. he is simply solid 99% of the time....sometimes he gets afk lynched as town, but let's ignore that....right? right? anyway, palmar has what it takes to win as both alignments in the late game, which is actually a particularly rare trait on these forums. as town, he also can be particularly on point in the early game (calling me out over the tinyest thing in down under and rayn in the cancelled game). where his game can be wanting at times is the mid-game. in the middle days palmar's interest can waiver and his thread control can diminish.
2. holyflare - inactivity and rust drops him from the top spot to number 2. there isn't quite anyone who can grab hold of a thread's direction through shear force of will and activity like holyflare. further he is very disarming to play against because he has a manner of forcing you to fight him on his battlefield. he doesn't buy your gut reads, he doesn't like your stupid tone shit, if you wanna go toe to toe with him it is cold hard logic or gtfo. his weakest aspect is probably his early game reads as town as he can have a tough time distinguishing idiocy or newb play from scum play.
3. artanis - wanna get someone lynched? call artanis, he'll have a case ready for you in no time. what makes artanis good outside of his ability to convince you of his point via walls of text is the he is malleable. the guy is like clay. oh hey, artanis is mafia with a pile of douchebags? well he makes it work. oh look town is fighting, here comes artanis to broker a peace deal. therein lies what i think that keeps artanis down a bit though, that i feel artanis by his nature or personality is more of a "support" player than a "carry" player. not that he is incapable because i think there are examples where he has done so; i simply don't think he is quite the personality to be that shining beacon that leads people to the promised land.
4. rayn - these next 2 are very similar in that i think both are slightly 1 dimensional players toward the town alignment. the difference being that i believe rayn CAN pull out a scary scum game from time to time, whereas i think that less of koshi. rayn is simply the leader who is unlynchable, will solve the game, will dominate the thread and must be shot as town. that is just who he is, take it or leave it. his reads are good, his cases are good, and he finds scum at an abnormally high rate considering how long he is normally alive. as scum he is capable for about 72 hours normally before his lack of fucks given takes over, but every once in a while a game rolls around that teaches you not to sleep on rayn as scum. however as mafia he can fall victim to the "why are you alive on d4?" argument quite easily. more fucks given and more consistency as mafia will push himself up the list.
5. koshi - an early game monster. koshi is a king of making himself completely unlynchable as town. so much so that many a game have i been in a mafia QT or seen a mafia QT where the consensus within the first 2 days is that koshi must die because there's no way he is getting lynched. are his reads top tier? no. does he leave something to be desired as scum? yes. and that is why he is here. koshi is a town leader and it is VERY clear when he is and he is quite good at it as well. his scum game needs work mostly on the grounds that the dispairity between the 2 becomes quite apparent beyond day 2 (i.e. the energy/anger dropoff). his weakest area is simply that he is slightly 1 dimensional. that 1 dimension is very good though.
6. damdred - damdred still has it inside him, i sincerely believe that. this may be biased, but to me damdred is one of the players i fear the most on all of TL. i thin he is a top tier town who's only real deficiency is that he can sometimes give scum easy early passes and i think he is probably the 2nd most stable and solid scum player behind palmar. i think the problem and why damdred is down here versus in the top 3 or 4 is simply time and investment. he phone posts more these days and seems to have less time; when he gives it his all though i think he is top 3 or 4.
7. glowingbear - many people will disagree with this, to which i simply say: "scoreboard". you don't have the highest win percentage on the site as scum by just getting lucky. GB is the 1 special case in terms of how i assess him. to put it in starcraft terms: GB is the guy who 6 pools every game. seriously, when's the last time you saw GB in late game? the thing about GB is that he is never going to be the guy that is there alive at the end winning the game for you, that's just not in him. he burns bright in the early game then fizzles out. that said he is a man who creates things; he is a mover and shaker; a playmaker. often he will challenger someone and force a thread into an me vs him situation where people are forced to choose sides and many times people will choose to lynch GB, but from his corpse springs a bounty of information if he is town or a wealth of space in which to operate as mafia. GB's playstyle is very different than most and not traditional, but highly effective.
ran out of time so these next few are hurried, sorry m8s have to actually work now :/
8. VE - great reads, fairly unlynchable, good at leading when he wants but is very inconsistent about taking control of the thread, very convincing; is particularly strong at "faking it"; inactivity drops him, he could be higher.
9. Blazinghand - really? the RNG guy? he doesn't really play much anyways. yeah well, he kicks ass when he plays. he makes probably the best or 2nd best cases of active players when he does play. if he gets past the early days, he is a late game monster as both alignments. also has a WIFOM cannon.
10. SL - slow starter, strong mid game and strong late game, needs to work a bit on leadership skills as he can sometimes wind up playing second fiddle to a larger personality. has a very unique ability where he becomes a drastically better player the more he gets backed into a corner. 1 moment you think you're going to lynch him, then 2 hours later you're certain he needs to be NK'd or you just realized you fucked up trying to ML him.
11-14 is probably somethins along the lines of rsoul, me, jat, kush but who cares cuz we ain't top 10.
Hey ritoky, why isn't marv on this list?
If you quit multiple games and can't be bothered to play just because you got the alignment "mafia", then I can't be bothered to rank you. (salt)
SENPAI NOTICED ME! <3
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Complains about mafia alignment not being weighed heavily enough - puts koshi in top 5.
rofl :D
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On January 25 2016 22:58 justanothertownie wrote:
Complains about mafia alignment not being weighed heavily enough - puts koshi in top 5.
rofl :D
4ever 11
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
People in this thread be forgetting that I'm the best scum player on TL! I'm so tenacious! So ruthless! So sexy! Also, I'm these things while playing Mafia!
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On January 26 2016 04:32 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2016 22:58 justanothertownie wrote:
Complains about mafia alignment not being weighed heavily enough - puts koshi in top 5.
rofl :D 4ever 11
4ever trying to troll
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On January 26 2016 04:34 Blazinghand wrote:
People in this thread be forgetting that I'm the best scum player on TL! I'm so tenacious! So ruthless! So sexy! Also, I'm these things while playing Mafia!
Yeah, I am surprised you did not win that award you nominated yourself for.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On January 26 2016 04:38 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2016 04:34 Blazinghand wrote:
People in this thread be forgetting that I'm the best scum player on TL! I'm so tenacious! So ruthless! So sexy! Also, I'm these things while playing Mafia! Yeah, I am surprised you did not win that award you nominated yourself for.
I am kinda joking here-- I'm sure there are better scum players than me around here-- but I think I may actually be the most tenacious scum player.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
Koshi is right, list should just be Blazinghand in every slot from 1 to 10
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should do top 10 town and top 10 scum tbh.
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On January 26 2016 08:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:
should do top 10 town and top 10 scum tbh.
Doesn't matter. BH still rank 1-10 on both.
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On January 26 2016 08:54 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2016 08:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:
should do top 10 town and top 10 scum tbh. Doesn't matter. BH still rank 1-10 on both.
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