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On March 06 2019 20:33 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 20:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
So, the past few hours are the absolute best indication why HF has to die. I don't even give a shit about his alignment anymore I'm just sick of hearing from and about him.
So much time wasted. Put your votes on him and get your minds off him. Move on. Weird post. Its like you want everyone not to talk about hf but at the same time you want everyone to talk about him. Let's kill ace the guy's clearly scum.
No. We're killing HF and I promise I will tell you exactly why in a couple of hours. In the meantime:
On March 06 2019 19:01 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 18:53 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote:
+ I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned. He had to drop out. Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi. Well at least he's confirmed town now  This?! Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through. Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you. I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things. Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit. Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town? Because of what he was lying about. If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense. I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it. If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare he has succeeded. But goal 1 and goal 2 only coincide if the town leader does pro-town things. Holyflare isn't doing pro-town things. He's doing pro-mafia things. You think goal 1 cannot exist if holyflare is mafia? The only thing he's done that is specifically pro mafia rather than just being vaguely anti-town is lynch Palmar, and that could have just been a bad read.
I know you're new here, but what the hell is this? Doing "specifically pro-mafia stuff" is stuff town doesn't do. You say it's a bad read, but him killing Palmar was almost entirely off his ego being too big for Palmar to beat him in a mayor election. There isn't even any townie reasoning there, it is entirely based on "goal 1": the town isn't big enough for the two of them, so he kills Palmar. It wasn't a "bad read". It wasn't a read at all.
Doing shit "for the lulz" is fine, up until it gets town leaders killed. The fact that you don't see that...
Moreover, WoS is right. Any lylo with HF alive is gonna be a trainwreck for town. There's really two ways this can go down:
(1) HF is scum and they've shot people til a clueless townie (you?) is left who is eating out of the palm of his hand. You vote along with him to kill your townmate. Game over.
(2) HF is town, and they've shot people til an angry townie (me?) is left who has wanted to lynch HF from D2 onwards but couldn't and now finally gets his chance. Angry townie votes HF, the lurking scum votes HF, and they still win.
It's a massive useless wifom bomb and a situation town should actively try to avoid. Bonus points in this case, because we're in situation (1) and lynching HF lynches scum and keeps us away from lylo a bit longer. Yay us.
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On March 06 2019 20:46 Vivax wrote:
It's like WoS spoke my mind. Contrary to yesterday, today I'm feeling a HF lynch.
Amen brother! I knew you were town
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On March 06 2019 20:50 Holyflare wrote:
If any of you twats that are voting me are actually town then you've been bamboozled to push the most pro mafia strat lynch you can. Look at them all come out of the woodwork.
If you're town then maybe next time don't let your ego get in the way of playing the game. But don't worry, you aren't.
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Well ok, you can all vote me I don't really give a shit. Now how about you stop this fake interaction and positioning around my lynch and actually start talking with me about other people?
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On March 06 2019 20:52 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 20:50 Holyflare wrote:
If any of you twats that are voting me are actually town then you've been bamboozled to push the most pro mafia strat lynch you can. Look at them all come out of the woodwork. If you're town then maybe next time don't let your ego get in the way of playing the game. But don't worry, you aren't.
You really must think I'm not very good at playing as mafia if you think I'm mafia and did this.
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On March 06 2019 20:53 Holyflare wrote:
Well ok, you can all vote me I don't really give a shit. Now how about you stop this fake interaction and positioning around my lynch and actually start talking with me about other people?
On March 05 2019 00:24 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 00:20 Holyflare wrote:Palmar gonna get mayor lynched For real though fuck flight delays I'm stuck in the airport forever. Do you really want to turn the first promising game in ages into a goddamn shithole by doing something that idiotic?
On March 05 2019 00:26 Vivax wrote:
If I sound angry it's cause I would indeed be angry as fuck if Palmar died like that
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On March 06 2019 20:57 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 20:53 Holyflare wrote:
Well ok, you can all vote me I don't really give a shit. Now how about you stop this fake interaction and positioning around my lynch and actually start talking with me about other people? Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 00:24 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2019 00:20 Holyflare wrote:Palmar gonna get mayor lynched For real though fuck flight delays I'm stuck in the airport forever. Do you really want to turn the first promising game in ages into a goddamn shithole by doing something that idiotic? Show nested quote +On March 05 2019 00:26 Vivax wrote:
If I sound angry it's cause I would indeed be angry as fuck if Palmar died like that die
Good talk, you're mafia.
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On March 06 2019 20:23 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 20:20 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2019 20:17 rsoultin wrote:On March 06 2019 19:30 Mocsta wrote:
Any reasons onegu is town? None that I can see. To elaborate, I expect more from him even when he's barely playing as town. He's kinda the guy who comes in with his own thing and it's interesting. At least he was. is onegu enoigh to stop u laying a vote on ace?
No cause he doesn't give enough for me to be confident on that lol ><
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On March 06 2019 20:54 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 20:52 Acrofales wrote:On March 06 2019 20:50 Holyflare wrote:
If any of you twats that are voting me are actually town then you've been bamboozled to push the most pro mafia strat lynch you can. Look at them all come out of the woodwork. If you're town then maybe next time don't let your ego get in the way of playing the game. But don't worry, you aren't. You really must think I'm not very good at playing as mafia if you think I'm mafia and did this. lol. Thats how i felt about ur case on me...
Ohh the sweet sweet irony
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I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum.
Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia:- He called out Grackaroni for making a useless list post and then continued doing nothing but listing lurkers / low volume posters for like next 24 hours. Neither of those are in itself necessarily scummy but saying someone is scum for doing a "universal mafia trait" -thing and then doing the same thing yourself is scummy as fuck and never comes from town, you'd have to be the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth to do that.
- He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him.
- During the EoD he wasn't actively trying to do stuff, all he did was yelling and causing chaos. The most notable thing is he perfectly knew both Palmar's and Holyflare's mayor lynch choices don't align with his reads yet never ever during the whole time the debate was on tries he convince either of them to agree on a different lynch. Especially Palmar when they both share a scumread on Mocsta. There is simply no reason why a townie shouldn't care about this.
- Fake anger after D1 flips and anger directed at wrong place. Tubesock had a good post about this.
- After D1 Acrofales hasn't done a single productive thing. He has given himself a narrative in calling Holyflare mafia, hiding behind it, and doing nothing else. Even if he genuinely thinks Holyflare is mafia for doing a bad / stupid thing (which isn't even a good reason to scumread someone) it's simply pure mafia play to excuse yourself for not doing anything other than calling him mafia and everyone stupid and bad.
I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales.
All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia.
I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes.
+ Show Spoiler +I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia.
Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow.
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My goal, for anyone who cares, is to work toward a consensus for a counter lynch to HF. I'm a bit distracted with our new house guest and other things but by the end of today (not the day phase) I'll have reread the game and everyone's intentions around the voting and put forth some scumreads as options.
Anyone else with options is absolutely encouraged to voice them. Ace is one of those. I've put forth Tube pending a reread. Onegu's been mentioned.
I'll try to keep an eye on the thread to discuss with anyone who wants to discuss.
And I'd encourage those of you who are town and determined to lynch HF because either you think he's scum or 'has to go' to stop engaging. We know your point of view. It's boring and getting in the way. You can imagine what we're doing is a scum scramble and call us all mafia for considering alternatives. Let HF focus on the game. If you want to discuss other reads be my guest.
Obviously can't enforce this but in the scenario where HF is town (which I believe) it minimizes scum's ability to goad him into uselessness and make this day a complete wash.
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On March 06 2019 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:I really think we should lynch Acrofales and i don't think anything is going to change my mind this phase anymore. He has now given himself a perfect narrative to do absolutely nothing than sound like a broken record repeating Holyflare is mafia because he did a stupid thing. The problem is if you don't kill him right now even if we lynch another mafia after N2 too many influential players are going to be dead and he will simply yell over anyone who's left and town and you will get irritated and lose interest to play. I know this because it's how i used to play as scum. Here is a list why Acrofales is mafia: - He called out Grackaroni for making a useless list post and then continued doing nothing but listing lurkers / low volume posters for like next 24 hours. Neither of those are in itself necessarily scummy but saying someone is scum for doing a "universal mafia trait" -thing and then doing the same thing yourself is scummy as fuck and never comes from town, you'd have to be the biggest fucking hypocrite on earth to do that.
- He scumread iamperfection for too long, he should know wayyyyy better regardless of the fact iamp made a case (that everyone should read) on him.
- During the EoD he wasn't actively trying to do stuff, all he did was yelling and causing chaos. The most notable thing is he perfectly knew both Palmar's and Holyflare's mayor lynch choices don't align with his reads yet never ever during the whole time the debate was on tries he convince either of them to agree on a different lynch. Especially Palmar when they both share a scumread on Mocsta. There is simply no reason why a townie shouldn't care about this.
- Fake anger after D1 flips and anger directed at wrong place. Tubesock had a good post about this.
- After D1 Acrofales hasn't done a single productive thing. He has given himself a narrative in calling Holyflare mafia, hiding behind it, and doing nothing else. Even if he genuinely thinks Holyflare is mafia for doing a bad / stupid thing (which isn't even a good reason to scumread someone) it's simply pure mafia play to excuse yourself for not doing anything other than calling him mafia and everyone stupid and bad.
I encourage everyone to put your votes on Acrofales. All these Lighntingstrikes and Alakaslams need to get their heads out of their asses. Wave if you want to spend the rest of the game with scum 5-years-ago-rayn then be my guest and have your vote on HF as policy but don't complain after the game, especially in case Acrofales at some point decides to call you mafia and wants to have you lynched. You will not like it a single bit. The truth is Holyflare executing his scumread Palmar, however bad or stupid you may think that is, isn't actually even close to a good reasoning of him being mafia.
I agree on the case on Ace. I had more thought on it and i think the fact that he was actually aware of Trfel (or at least looked like he is) suggests that it is more likely he did in fact know what Holyflare was about to do. I know a lot of people are saying Ace is too good as scum to do something like that but i don't believe that is the case. I think Ace decided he can use his activity as an excuse to "not know HF is gonna lynch Palmar", aka that he didn't see it, and did the numbers and thought he can get away with it. Also Ace is not like some fucking mafia god that doesn't make any mistakes. + Show Spoiler +I caught him once because scum nuked meapak and i went to fakeclaim the nuke when for any player who doesn't have TMI that nuke never comes from mafia. Ace got confused and started gunning on me being mafia completely ignoring the fact before. And he couldn't even keep his story straight. So yeah, it's not like Ace alwasy does the most optimal play as mafia. Mr.Wiggles is also mafia but that's for tomorrow.
*note to self to review acro case during filter dives
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I will read the acro case in detail tomorrow morning
Thanks for acknowledging ace case
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Oh, Damdred, not opposed to a BH lynch on principle btw but why is FF town to you?
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Ace or Acrofales I’d like to lynch equally.
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On March 06 2019 21:36 rsoultin wrote:
Oh, Damdred, not opposed to a BH lynch on principle btw but why is FF town to you?
I kinda think FF is town too. Last night i read his filter and it sounded super honest to me.
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On March 06 2019 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2019 21:36 rsoultin wrote:
Oh, Damdred, not opposed to a BH lynch on principle btw but why is FF town to you? I kinda think FF is town too. Last night i read his filter and it sounded super honest to me.
Actually I love FF's filter >< lol. The question wasn't to learn anything about FF's alignment, though I appreciate your weighing in.
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Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
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Yeah i thought it's probably not right after i posted.
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Rsoultin, after you look at my short filter, I’m around for questions if you have them.
Although I’m on Africa hotel internet and it may go away for a bit as it tends to do.
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