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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 06 2019 10:02 GMT
#4101
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
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On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:
On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote:
+


I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned.


He had to drop out.

Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.


Well at least he's confirmed town now

This?!

Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.

Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.



What jump? You think the host would forget to PM a mafia member that the game has started? I don't think so.

Even then I admitted it wasn't steadfast and based my read on Koshi's play instead of it.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 06 2019 10:02 GMT
#4102
On March 06 2019 18:58 Jockmcplop wrote:
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On March 06 2019 18:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:
On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote:
+


I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned.


He had to drop out.

Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.


Well at least he's confirmed town now

This?!

Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.

Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.


I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things.
Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.


Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?


Because of what he was lying about.

If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.

I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.



HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN.

If I am mafia and I can make the entire game my plaything to hide my scum team thats awesome play. To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree. And lying? Especially more than once is insanely fucking scummy. Especially when they don't make sense.


Wait do you think we should lynch all liars?
From what I've read that's a fucking moronic strategy and you probably already know that.

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On March 06 2019 18:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:
On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote:
+


I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned.


He had to drop out.

Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.


Well at least he's confirmed town now

This?!

Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.

Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.


I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things.
Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.


Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?


Because of what he was lying about.

If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.

I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.



HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN.

To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree.


That depends on your opinion about who is best placed to put in the work. I think hf thinks he can lead the town to victory and make the game more fun for everyone while he's at it.

I certainly don't think that - given what's happened so far - but its pretty clear to me that he thinks that.





Hes also fucking experience enough to know this. If he dies while making the game all about him / lying to push his own agenda's etc... Then dies? Say for this argument the town believes the same shit he does? Moment he dies they are fucked.

Any smart player knows that pushing to be a leading voice is not a bad thing, but thats not making the game about you, its being a central voice in the chaos. Lying? Give me an example in a game where we can't communicate outside of thread that lying is a good move?
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 06 2019 10:03 GMT
#4103
On March 06 2019 18:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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On March 06 2019 18:43 Mocsta wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:
On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote:
+


I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned.


He had to drop out.

Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.


Well at least he's confirmed town now

This?!

Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.

Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.


.... That is why he thought it was a mod confirm? Seriously?
whats ur read on ace

He calls u scumclobber


TBH I think he looks like shit. But I tend to have a hard time reading Ace and usually want to off him because his scum play fucked me hard ages ago. As I am pre disposed to always killing him I am giving him into today to give me more to work with.
what is today

12hrs or cycle?
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 06 2019 10:05 GMT
#4104
On March 06 2019 19:02 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:
On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote:
+


I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned.


He had to drop out.

Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.


Well at least he's confirmed town now

This?!

Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.

Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.



What jump? You think the host would forget to PM a mafia member that the game has started? I don't think so.

Even then I admitted it wasn't steadfast and based my read on Koshi's play instead of it.


I will readily admit that I may have missed said post in your filter, but I literally never saw you say any of what you just said til now.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 06 2019 10:06 GMT
#4105
On March 06 2019 19:03 Mocsta wrote:
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On March 06 2019 18:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:43 Mocsta wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:
On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote:
+


I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned.


He had to drop out.

Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.


Well at least he's confirmed town now

This?!

Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.

Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.


.... That is why he thought it was a mod confirm? Seriously?
whats ur read on ace

He calls u scumclobber


TBH I think he looks like shit. But I tend to have a hard time reading Ace and usually want to off him because his scum play fucked me hard ages ago. As I am pre disposed to always killing him I am giving him into today to give me more to work with.
what is today

12hrs or cycle?


Giving him a total of 24 hours starting from start of day. So basically 7ish tonight for me.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 06 2019 10:06 GMT
#4106
On March 06 2019 18:49 Acrofales wrote:
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On March 06 2019 18:34 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:31 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 06 2019 17:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
List of reads.

Joy boys and girls its time for a BC analysis post.

Lets start this off with a fun person that everyone should be looking at the moment. All those who don't well, you are bad.

Holyflare
+ Show Spoiler +

Shocker I know right? The guy literally led us down a wrong path all fucking game. He has lied by his own admission multiple times. He claimed he would mayor lynch Sentinel, then Palmar. Said he wasn't serious on the Palmar lynch, then says he lies a few hours before deadline and offs Palmar who flips backup cop. He said he shot BH then claimed that he only did so to create tension in the thread. However his outrage about the game being full of blues seems one that an angry mafia could make.
The other thing that gets me about his lying is he claims that he couldnt change his mayor vote because it was locked in while being insanely active right at the time the lynch was happening so could have changed it had he wished but claimed

On March 05 2019 09:43 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 05 2019 09:42 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2019 09:41 Holyflare wrote:
for the record if I knew bh was not getting lynched I would have absolutely switched it to him but it was already locked in

how is it locked in ?

that makes no sense you could have changed


I don't think so? I PMd it saying lynch palmar a long time ago when it was called for in the thread and when the deadline came I was told it was palmar selected. Didn't really get given any other opportunity but it is what it is.


Unless things have drastically changed since I played this game. If you had any action you could take whatsoever you could change it more than once before a deadline hit. So if this has changed feel free to correct me but until then this is a straight up fucking lie.


Next few thing that gets me however that stood out after a filter dive is this.

On March 04 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote:
The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.

If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there.


Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok.


On March 04 2019 00:58 LightningStrike wrote:
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On March 04 2019 00:56 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 00:55 rsoultin wrote:
The whole thing where LS's only 'scumread' out of 34 other people is MZ, and then he wants to kill Koshi screams to me of a Koshi that rolled scum and told his buddies to just lynch him.

If LS flips scum, MZ probably is scum, too, so that's three right there.


Koshi is confirmed town though so it's ok.

HOW THE FUCK IS HE CONFIRMED TOWN? HE NEVER FUCKING POSTED THIS ENTIRE GAME?


On March 04 2019 00:58 Holyflare wrote:
Magic LightningStrike, magic


This exchange right here. How if a player who hasn't posted at that point in time even remotely close to being considered confirmed town? The only way that you would know this is if you actually knew his alignment.

Another gem. To discredit Palmar he uses this as one of his reasons to discredit him.
On March 04 2019 02:51 Holyflare wrote:
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The following players had a win percentage of over .500 since the last update (min 5 games). Nice job.

ritoky 6/6 = 100.0000%
Rels 9/13 = 69.2308%
Tumblewood 6/10 = 60.0000%
Calix 3/5 = 60.0000%
Holyflare 13/22 = 59.0909%
raynpelikoneet 8/15 = 53.3333%
Koshi 9/17 = 52.9412%


Can you really trust Palmar as mayor when he's not even top 7?


Bashing a player based on stats out of game rather than in game play? If you honestly believe (based on stats) that you are a better player than someone why do you need to bring that up as your reason? Should be good enough to win an election based on pure skill.

On March 05 2019 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
Arbitrary list. Please tell me which of the ones I haven't read should be read asap. Bit annoying the bottom half of the player list has a lot of scummy people to read. I cba writing anymore so close to deadline.


11) sicklucker
14) Damdred
16) Jockmcplop
18) Vivax
19) [UoN]Sentinel
20) Grackaroni
21) rsoultin
23) Pandain
24) darthfoley
25) Conversion
29) Meapak_Ziphh
31) BloodyC0bbler
33) Alakaslam
35) Rels



Town

Koshi
iamperfection




Town-ish

tubesock (Could be wrong on him but his filter seems clean and he's making his own conclusions (albeit just on trfel, but trfel is the new flavour of the month and he was first so looks ok)

Fecalfeast (Don't hate anything he's said. In fact on page 2 of his filter everything he says there kind of aligns with what I've been thinking. His vote platform seems carefree and like he doesn't really give a shit, just wants to do his own thing. Very acro focused but not in an awful way. Content seems minimal though so he's not up at town.




Null

Onegu (legit has done 0 things)

Mr. Wiggles (seems resolute in looking at unturned stones, could just be blending but seems ok(?) Asked me to look into one of the T guys (tube?) but he didn't look bad in his filter at all so dropped to null)

WaveofShadow I want to believe Wave has a lack of emotion but he's done this exact thing of lurking and feigning before. I'd find it hard to motivate myself if I rolled mafia in this big game after a massive break like him too He hasn't got anything to go on really. Scummy just appearing.

Ace (Really has achieved not much. Voted me for mayor which is a big + and the things he says aren't not-towny in a vacuum but until he reaches a conclusion and votes not a placeholder for lynch there's really nothing to go on. Has weird posts in relation to BH when he hasn't really commented on much of the game apart from that)

Oatsmaster (don't hate his new direction - which is still seemingly every direction - but he's digging at least)

Tictock (This would absolutely be in the lower categories if it wasn't for his big appeal to emotion post against me which I have a big weakness for. I don't like that he decided to do the catch up style this game. He misses questions aimed towards him, gave up the style and ignored the pages in between. His logic has been wonky on a lot of people's posts and he seems to make a determined decision on someone's alignment and then make a narrative without weighing up both sides. But that AtE post though....)

ExO_ When reading through the thread there was a discussion that exo was present for and he kept asking random questions and not really interacting with it and I voted him for it. Upon reading his filter I got a completely different clean impression so he's in a null placeholder until I re-read that whole time he was in thread.




Scum-ish

Tumblewood (looks very low effort, may be mistaken on this though but it's a lot of questions that don't end up much of anywhere and lots of seemingly sentiment following on mayor lynches)

Trfel (Feel disgusting doing this (putting him in null) after he scum reads sentinel for something that happened almost 72 hours ago but I don't think he says he doesn't think Oats is posting like mafia and then backtracks and votes for him as mafia. That seems like something he'd be too self conscious to do. But then he says things like "oats (pressure vote)" as if he never meant it so this started as null but it's actually now scum-ish)

Acrofales (This dude has looked scummy quite a lot. First was when he said he was sheeping Palmar because he trusted him more to find scum while scum reading the person I wanted to lynch. Then he said I didn't look that great because I was scum reading Oats for bad reasons and then he made a list of why Oats was scum which was entirely made up of my reasons. Then I said I scum read rayn and he said he doesn't scum read rayn. When Palmar came with a bs reason to scum read rayn Acro basically reneged on his plan to vote me because he agreed that Rayn looked like mafia when nothing from rayn had happened in between. Every time I think about these occurrences it makes me want to drop him down further. Don't ask me why I don't. He has ok looking breakthroughs every now and again)

raynpelikoneet Talked through me. Ignroed rsoultin. Disappeared and reappeared to appeal to me and vote palmar/(think he disliked acro too). Conflicted heavily at the moment.





Scum

Blazinghand (No RNG, no posts of content. Just doing whatever to seem like the good towny martyr. I think I've seen him do this exact play before as mafia.)

Mocsta (This dude, does anyone know where his head is at? I sure don't. He +1s my post scum reading Palmar, gets in a shit show with Palmar and then somehow bows down to him after having a meltdown like 2.4 seconds before over Palmar's really weak Conversion read????????????? Just read his filter progression with me and Palmar and be prepared to go "What?")

Palmar - (wishy washy Iamp post, wishy washy Acro post. I call him out that he has no solid scum reads and he has to hunker down and scum read someone. Defaults to Sentinel still, can't see any motivation from sentinel other than scum motivation. He then makes some bs analysis of the wagons acknowledging that his wagon is the most scum motivated one to follow but doesn't use that to reevaluate anything and doesn't question which of the people on the wagon are scummy. He defends Pandain who has literally posted nothing but coaching.

This whole post to town read Damdred is so unnecessarily OTT it's ridiculous https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/542541-end-of-the-world-party-mafia?page=88#1750

Makes a movement for Rayn to be mafia based on Rayn's activity which hasn't meant anything since a long time now. Doesn't even get what Rayn said correct.

Doesn't even know what Damdred/Rsoul posted about LS. Not interested in figuring out game, instead tried to use others to prove his point.

Wants to vote Conversion because Conversion was lazy but attributes it to mafia motivation instead of just someone being lazy. That's the crux of his entire read. Fakes some floundering on it when Conversion posts some irl excuse, seems pretty forced.

After nothing in between Conversion drops off max scum vote list and is replaced with lurker and policy lynch. Not great at all.)



LightningStrike (No scum reads. Only mentioned MZ once or twice but never really actually said anything about him of substance. Rage quit from the thread but still votes and still afks in the background. He finds it really hard to write scum reads as scum because it's against his nature. He hasn't done the characteristic "these two are fighting so one of them is mafia" post that he always does as town. He hasn't really given anything to go on. Rage seemed forced. He's fucking voting Palmar, jeeeeezzuusss.)


Chezinu (This is without reading his filter and just off memory alone. He does not seem to be having fun, his RP posts are quite devoid of anything entertaining. He's been trying to determine if I'm blue. He has been actually posting reads and being serious which is a complete juxtaposition to any time I've ever ever seen Chezinu been town (or really mafia either) but from what I can see there seems to be agenda in Chez. I will update this on actually reading him because I can't remember a single one of his reads.



Now you may look at this and go “wtf why choose this post” However look at it. His confirmed 100% town were both capped and flipped green but one of his strongest scum reads and heavily leaned scum reads both flipped town. Meaning the only place he has been correct is where he places town reads. 1 of which he had a read on 100% before the player posted. Seems super fucking fishy.


Rsoultin
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She was on my radar day 1 as well. This shouldn't be a surprise.

1) She makes posts like this

On March 02 2019 20:35 rsoultin wrote:
Like for me it breaks down like this:

You've got trolling people. You've got lurking people. You've got lazy people. You've got some overly aggressives that aren't giving me warm fuzzies (MP). You've got people I'm not sure about who when I'm not sure about them have a nasty habit of being scum (Rayn) but because he's burned me so often I'm not sure if that's not where the uncertainty's coming from.

And then you have seemingly excited to play, I respect the shit out of his intelligence Chez playing but not saying anything interesting. That first group can hide a lot of bad town play. But doing something without doing anything ticks off my scum meter to a higher degree.


Now what gets me from this is the characterization that Chez wasn't saying anything interesting. He was roleplaying sure, but he also had a string of very useful posts that weren't roleplay at all. As someone who dislikes lazy people, and trolling people perhaps doing a proper analysis of someones posting history to that point would you know? Non hypocritical.

On March 02 2019 20:58 rsoultin wrote:
What are your reads that don't matter BC?


This was another read flag for me. A read that doesn't matter? Why would you ever want someone to actively give you information that is useless? Anyone can give a read but to provide no substance or reasoning for it is just useless and scummy. Asking for that info is just as bad.

Now the next things for me are this.

Chez is her #1 scum read. Rather than heavily pushing this (will admit she made an analysis post on him) She then waffles off wanting to off him (no real reason I could spot) then starts randomly sheeping other peoples reads

On March 04 2019 16:37 rsoultin wrote:
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On March 04 2019 16:30 ExO_ wrote:
On March 03 2019 20:12 Palmar wrote:
To be fair I mostly like Acro just for these two posts. They're the logical way to play the game.

Kill the policy lynch, continue playing.

On March 03 2019 17:09 Acrofales wrote:
Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.


On March 03 2019 17:11 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, also, if sent was actually playing and being townie, I'd be more inclined to want him to live. But he has used this "foil" to be an attention whore and cop out of doing anything else so far. Not town play.




@Palmar, let's assume Acro is the leading lynch candidate but your vote could choose somebody else to lynch. Who would you lynch instead of Acro, that isn't Sent?

Palmar's entire post history seems to be super focused on this policy lynch of Sent -- that's it. Town Reads HF, Town Reads Acro. He's not wanting to scum hunt on day 1, but go all in on a policy lynch. I don't think I mind having a strong conviction about the policy lynch, but I think I do mind only green reading other people and only pushing your one policy lynch.

I think Palmar is scum.


I like Rayn's read on Palmar, ironically, cause I think they're both scum.

Palmar not playing on a weekend is Palmar-y. Palmar playing is Palmar-y. This half and half stuff I wouldn't trust with a 10-foot pole and I hate how much support he's gotten. I also hate that some of that is probably from shit town who just see the shiny name and go oh, Palmar, he's a god, let's check our brains at the door.

-cocks head at- So you've decided to play rather than whine about people saying a person who was only posting images was a good vig target?


So this post just makes me want to facepalm. Why? Because she basically just said because its Palmar hes mafia. Because he has any support hes mafia. More important she is bothered by the name he has and blames shit town for trying to vote him into the slot of mayor. Now we know that Palmar flipped town. So those people that voted for him clearly arent as shit as this read of hers is. Next thing with this is she doesn't decide to hard push her own reads instead she SHEEPS unto the BH bandwagon. The thing that gets me about this is this. SHE SAYS SHE THINKS HE IS TOWN AND STILL WANTS TO LYNCH HIM.

Why the fuck do you ever want to kill a town read? Like seriously. Why would you lynch someone you believe to be town. She has scumreads for fucks sake. Was active enough to push them. Instead lets push a town read for information because the potential information is better than offing a scum. Jesus fuck.

To go along with what I just said

On March 06 2019 04:15 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 04:12 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 04:03 rsoultin wrote:
On March 06 2019 04:02 iamperfection wrote:
On March 06 2019 04:01 rsoultin wrote:
Also, for the record, though I'm mocking the auto-lynch mindset perpetuated by people who can't think for themselves, a BH flip is still best for everyone and 100% should be facilitated before day phase so the idiots can have a chance to check their idiocy. Not that I'm holding my breath.

You want to lynch someone you think is town...,..........................
.


Yes that's what this post clearly meant good job proving why it's pointless for me to explain reads with this level of reading comprehension floating around the thread.

I just see things so scummy sometimes that I stare at my phone in disbelief.

You suggesting to lynch someone that is town to help clear the air is either scum motivated at best and at worst idiotic.


l2r


That post imo also sheds potential like on Iamp being killed. To my reading he was the only one to call her out for it..

Clearly a scum IMO.


Tumblewood
+ Show Spoiler +

This is mainly from a filter dive. Everything in it screams of someone coming in and skirting activity while posting nothing of substance. Hell he never comes into the thread and express a real reason or read to his vote on Trfel. Just sheeped onto it like nothing ever happened.
Hell the only real time Tumblewood even expressed a read on Trfel it was a town read. So he sheeped a wagon to off a person he believed was town. Again, no fucking reason to do this ever. Clearly red.




Whatever the particulars of the bad Palmar scumread, I still think this is easily the most compelling reason for the HF scum case:

On March 06 2019 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
HF why did you claim a shot on me?

Here's a theory as to why HF did this. It is because he is scum.

In the Scum QT:
Holyflare: Hey guys, the deadline is coming up. We know a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and then probably claim after the daypost.
Other Scums: yeah, sounds accurate to me.
Holyflare: then Blazinghand will flip town, and i'm going to look real bad.
Other Scums: oh no!
Holyflare: ok, but here's the plan. I'm going to, right before the end of the night, with second on the clock, claim that I'm the vigi and am shooting BH.
Other Scums: why would you do this HF? we're not shooting BH...
Holflare: see, a vigi is going to shoot Blazinghand, and I will get autolynched D2 unless I can pose as the vigi who shot him. This will allow me to get in one more mislynch, as people will trust me. If the real vigi counterclaims, that's still a better situation than if I never claimed in the first place and just let myself get autolynched.
Other Scums: good idea

Then, for some reason, I didn't get shot, and now HF has to just pretend he never claimed he was shooting me


HF has largely abandoned his provably false ideas of "well, I couldn't change the mayor lynch" given the way the mayor lynch is received mechanically and the fact he was in thread and watched and commented on the shenannnies as they went down. Just for killing Palmar is he scum? eh, maybe not. But for lying about it, then slithering away from the lie when called out? oh yeah baby


I will quite literally quote my mod PM post game to prove it. Please stop posting this trash. I stand by my statement that it was locked in before I could say anything.

You keep bringing this up as if it means something to us. There's gonna be some host wifom here, but not a lot:

1. I know Kita and dandel and don't think they're dicks. If you PM'd them after the vote shenanigans and said you wanted to kill BH, I'll believe they'd allow it. So based on that I believe the PM was never sent. And the PM you will show us post-game is your role PM saying you win with scum.

2. If this were true, and Kita didn't let you change the target, why'd we have to drag it out of you? It would literally be the first thing out of mouth post-flip: "shit, tried to change it, but wasn't allowed to". It would even have made sense with your "I didn't kill Palmar" post. But you didn't say anything. You didn't even say anything when called out on your troll post. This "I tried to change it but couldn't" narrative only came wayyyyy later. In fact, your whole behavior around the flip is what makes me quite sure you're scum: first the troll post makes it clear you aren't worried about your decision. Then the flip and the feels there are that you are gloating. Not shocked at how wrong you were and killed a fellow town leader.
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 09:38 Holyflare wrote:
You guys knew what you were voting for :D


Go die, scum.


No, they're not dicks. I PMd them to lynch Palmar on the flight home. When the flip happened kita PMd me saying palmar is now the lynch. I probably could have PMd saying that I'd rather switch to BH and probably should have but:

A) i thought the flip was literally going to happen straight away

B) I was too tired to even care

C) I wanted to lynch palmar anyway

You don't have to care about these series of events but if what it takes is cheating to make people actually play the game and talk about scum reads that aren't me I'm not above doing it. There's no banlist and it's the last game ever.

Maybe then you'd actually have to produce some content that isn't rhetoric about lynching me.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 06 2019 10:08 GMT
#4107
On March 06 2019 19:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 19:02 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:
On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote:
+


I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned.


He had to drop out.

Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.


Well at least he's confirmed town now

This?!

Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.

Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.



What jump? You think the host would forget to PM a mafia member that the game has started? I don't think so.

Even then I admitted it wasn't steadfast and based my read on Koshi's play instead of it.


I will readily admit that I may have missed said post in your filter, but I literally never saw you say any of what you just said til now.


Because I don't really like talking about mod actions and skirting a line but people keep making me do it. If you can point out any "lies" in my filter I will happily correct you.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 06 2019 10:13 GMT
#4108
On March 06 2019 19:08 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 19:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 19:02 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:
On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote:
+


I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned.


He had to drop out.

Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.


Well at least he's confirmed town now

This?!

Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.

Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.



What jump? You think the host would forget to PM a mafia member that the game has started? I don't think so.

Even then I admitted it wasn't steadfast and based my read on Koshi's play instead of it.


I will readily admit that I may have missed said post in your filter, but I literally never saw you say any of what you just said til now.


Because I don't really like talking about mod actions and skirting a line but people keep making me do it. If you can point out any "lies" in my filter I will happily correct you.


1) Said you would have changed your vote to bh had you realized he wasnt going to be lynched but couldnt do to mods
2) Claimed you shot BH
3) Claimed you werent going to kill Palmar then actively said you lied about it.

Before you say you didn't have enough time for it, you were actively posting at the time the vote swapping was happening.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 06 2019 10:16 GMT
#4109
On March 06 2019 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:
On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote:
+


I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned.


He had to drop out.

Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.


Well at least he's confirmed town now

This?!

Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.

Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.


I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things.
Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.


Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?


Because of what he was lying about.

If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.

I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.



This makes me think you know my alignment and are justifying my actions because you know they are true tbh.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 06 2019 10:17 GMT
#4110
On March 06 2019 19:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 19:08 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 19:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 19:02 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:
On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote:
+


I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned.


He had to drop out.

Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.


Well at least he's confirmed town now

This?!

Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.

Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.



What jump? You think the host would forget to PM a mafia member that the game has started? I don't think so.

Even then I admitted it wasn't steadfast and based my read on Koshi's play instead of it.


I will readily admit that I may have missed said post in your filter, but I literally never saw you say any of what you just said til now.


Because I don't really like talking about mod actions and skirting a line but people keep making me do it. If you can point out any "lies" in my filter I will happily correct you.


1) Said you would have changed your vote to bh had you realized he wasnt going to be lynched but couldnt do to mods
2) Claimed you shot BH
3) Claimed you werent going to kill Palmar then actively said you lied about it.

Before you say you didn't have enough time for it, you were actively posting at the time the vote swapping was happening.


1) Not a lie

2) I have done the same thing in almost every game I have been town. It's not a lie if even I don't believe it. Just a joke.

3) This isn't true in the slightest. I said I would lynch Palmar till I was blue in the face.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9639 Posts
March 06 2019 10:20 GMT
#4111
On March 06 2019 19:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 18:58 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:
[quote]

I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned.


He had to drop out.

Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.


Well at least he's confirmed town now

This?!

Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.

Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.


I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things.
Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.


Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?


Because of what he was lying about.

If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.

I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.



HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN.

If I am mafia and I can make the entire game my plaything to hide my scum team thats awesome play. To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree. And lying? Especially more than once is insanely fucking scummy. Especially when they don't make sense.


Wait do you think we should lynch all liars?
From what I've read that's a fucking moronic strategy and you probably already know that.

On March 06 2019 18:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:
[quote]

I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned.


He had to drop out.

Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.


Well at least he's confirmed town now

This?!

Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.

Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.


I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things.
Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.


Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?


Because of what he was lying about.

If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.

I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.



HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN.

To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree.


That depends on your opinion about who is best placed to put in the work. I think hf thinks he can lead the town to victory and make the game more fun for everyone while he's at it.

I certainly don't think that - given what's happened so far - but its pretty clear to me that he thinks that.





Hes also fucking experience enough to know this. If he dies while making the game all about him / lying to push his own agenda's etc... Then dies? Say for this argument the town believes the same shit he does? Moment he dies they are fucked.

Any smart player knows that pushing to be a leading voice is not a bad thing, but thats not making the game about you, its being a central voice in the chaos. Lying? Give me an example in a game where we can't communicate outside of thread that lying is a good move?


The only definite lie hf got caught in was saying he wasn't going to lynch Palmar. That would be better classified as misleading because saying that when hf already had a bunch of mayor votes was obviously going to have effects you could analyze for the benefit of the town.

Otherwise its this dumbass thing about whether or not he could change his lynch which we don't know because the hosts won't come here and tell us so what's even the point of arguing about it.

The whole 'lynch hf' thing reeks of pitchforks and lack of objectivity to me.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 06 2019 10:22 GMT
#4112
On March 06 2019 19:20 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 19:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:58 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:
[quote]

He had to drop out.

Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.


Well at least he's confirmed town now

This?!

Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.

Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.


I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things.
Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.


Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?


Because of what he was lying about.

If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.

I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.



HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN.

If I am mafia and I can make the entire game my plaything to hide my scum team thats awesome play. To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree. And lying? Especially more than once is insanely fucking scummy. Especially when they don't make sense.


Wait do you think we should lynch all liars?
From what I've read that's a fucking moronic strategy and you probably already know that.

On March 06 2019 18:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:
[quote]

He had to drop out.

Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.


Well at least he's confirmed town now

This?!

Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.

Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.


I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things.
Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.


Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?


Because of what he was lying about.

If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.

I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.



HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN.

To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree.


That depends on your opinion about who is best placed to put in the work. I think hf thinks he can lead the town to victory and make the game more fun for everyone while he's at it.

I certainly don't think that - given what's happened so far - but its pretty clear to me that he thinks that.





Hes also fucking experience enough to know this. If he dies while making the game all about him / lying to push his own agenda's etc... Then dies? Say for this argument the town believes the same shit he does? Moment he dies they are fucked.

Any smart player knows that pushing to be a leading voice is not a bad thing, but thats not making the game about you, its being a central voice in the chaos. Lying? Give me an example in a game where we can't communicate outside of thread that lying is a good move?


The only definite lie hf got caught in was saying he wasn't going to lynch Palmar. That would be better classified as misleading because saying that when hf already had a bunch of mayor votes was obviously going to have effects you could analyze for the benefit of the town.

Otherwise its this dumbass thing about whether or not he could change his lynch which we don't know because the hosts won't come here and tell us so what's even the point of arguing about it.

The whole 'lynch hf' thing reeks of pitchforks and lack of objectivity to me.


I didn't get caught in any lie??? Not even 1 minute goes past where I literally say I was just kidding and was still going to lynch Palmar.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9639 Posts
March 06 2019 10:23 GMT
#4113
On March 06 2019 19:16 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:29 kitaman27 wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:27 Holyflare wrote:
On February 18 2019 06:38 calgar wrote:
+


I feel like this guy wanted in and was abandoned.


He had to drop out.

Trust me, if I abandoned somebody it would be Koshi.


Well at least he's confirmed town now

This?!

Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.

Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.


I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things.
Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.


Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?


Because of what he was lying about.

If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.

I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.



This makes me think you know my alignment and are justifying my actions because you know they are true tbh.


I can see why you would think that.
I'm pretty sure on your alignment. I've spent the entire last day analyzing your filter and previous games at the expense of doing pretty much anything else.
RIP Meatloaf <3
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 06 2019 10:23 GMT
#4114
On March 05 2019 06:29 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 06:29 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 06:22 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2019 06:20 sicklucker wrote:
na I need a confirmation too many rambos on this site who will shot vivax day 1 and waste are shit or something

Iamp is advocating to lynch bh constantly. It is our best bet.

Palmar tje fucker will shoot sentinel because palmar might be mafia.

Holyflare will shoot Palmar because town!HF is not really top tier and he doesnt know better.


I literally said I wouldn't.


But it was a lie.


I mean this literally states you werent going to kill him. YES after this you reversed that stance. But right here says otherwise.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 06 2019 10:25 GMT
#4115
On March 06 2019 19:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 06:29 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 06:29 Holyflare wrote:
On March 05 2019 06:22 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2019 06:20 sicklucker wrote:
na I need a confirmation too many rambos on this site who will shot vivax day 1 and waste are shit or something

Iamp is advocating to lynch bh constantly. It is our best bet.

Palmar tje fucker will shoot sentinel because palmar might be mafia.

Holyflare will shoot Palmar because town!HF is not really top tier and he doesnt know better.


I literally said I wouldn't.


But it was a lie.


I mean this literally states you werent going to kill him. YES after this you reversed that stance. But right here says otherwise.


Not even 30 seconds goes past between those posts you bafoon. If that's your biggest reason that I'm mafia because I called out myself 30 seconds later then I vastly overestimated you.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9639 Posts
March 06 2019 10:26 GMT
#4116
On March 06 2019 19:22 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2019 19:20 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 19:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:58 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:
[quote]

Well at least he's confirmed town now

This?!

Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.

Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.


I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things.
Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.


Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?


Because of what he was lying about.

If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.

I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.



HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN.

If I am mafia and I can make the entire game my plaything to hide my scum team thats awesome play. To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree. And lying? Especially more than once is insanely fucking scummy. Especially when they don't make sense.


Wait do you think we should lynch all liars?
From what I've read that's a fucking moronic strategy and you probably already know that.

On March 06 2019 18:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:31 Holyflare wrote:
[quote]

Well at least he's confirmed town now

This?!

Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.

Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.


I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things.
Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.


Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?


Because of what he was lying about.

If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.

I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.



HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN.

To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree.


That depends on your opinion about who is best placed to put in the work. I think hf thinks he can lead the town to victory and make the game more fun for everyone while he's at it.

I certainly don't think that - given what's happened so far - but its pretty clear to me that he thinks that.





Hes also fucking experience enough to know this. If he dies while making the game all about him / lying to push his own agenda's etc... Then dies? Say for this argument the town believes the same shit he does? Moment he dies they are fucked.

Any smart player knows that pushing to be a leading voice is not a bad thing, but thats not making the game about you, its being a central voice in the chaos. Lying? Give me an example in a game where we can't communicate outside of thread that lying is a good move?


The only definite lie hf got caught in was saying he wasn't going to lynch Palmar. That would be better classified as misleading because saying that when hf already had a bunch of mayor votes was obviously going to have effects you could analyze for the benefit of the town.

Otherwise its this dumbass thing about whether or not he could change his lynch which we don't know because the hosts won't come here and tell us so what's even the point of arguing about it.

The whole 'lynch hf' thing reeks of pitchforks and lack of objectivity to me.


I didn't get caught in any lie??? Not even 1 minute goes past where I literally say I was just kidding and was still going to lynch Palmar.


I never got caught in a lie.

I only lied the once because I thought it'd be funny.

OK mate.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 06 2019 10:28 GMT
#4117
On March 05 2019 05:12 Holyflare wrote:
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On March 05 2019 04:34 Acrofales wrote:
Hey Holyflare, is your mayorial shank still aimed straight at Palmar's heart? If so, this mayor train that's forming up on you is pretty damn troubling.


Nobody piled onto me and nobody really went to save palmar so I've learnt either mafia don't care or palmar shouldn't die.


Except this was also like an hour and a bit before?
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
March 06 2019 10:30 GMT
#4118
On March 06 2019 19:26 Jockmcplop wrote:
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On March 06 2019 19:22 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 19:20 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 19:02 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:58 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
[quote]
This?!

Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.

Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.


I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things.
Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.


Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?


Because of what he was lying about.

If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.

I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.



HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN.

If I am mafia and I can make the entire game my plaything to hide my scum team thats awesome play. To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree. And lying? Especially more than once is insanely fucking scummy. Especially when they don't make sense.


Wait do you think we should lynch all liars?
From what I've read that's a fucking moronic strategy and you probably already know that.

On March 06 2019 18:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:43 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
[quote]
This?!

Thanks for pointing it out. I don't understand the jump unless you already know koshi is town. I thought it was a joke being returned at Kita. But you were serious? TMI shining through.

Add it to the many small reasons you a re mafia and we really need to kill you.


I think he's town and just doing some little anti-town things.
Seems like the kind of guy who has to be the centre of attention and that would fit.


Please for the love of god explain to me how lying multiple times is only a little anti town?


Because of what he was lying about.

If goal 1 is to make the game about holyflare and goal 2 is to win for town lying about stuff like that (if it was a lie) makes sense.

I thought if you were replying to a 2 line post you'd at least go as far as reading the second line of it.



HOW THE FUCK IS THAT PLAYING FOR THE TOWN.

To make it all about me when I am town is a fucking asshole shit move. It auto means you will invalidate others opinions (who could be right) just because you disagree.


That depends on your opinion about who is best placed to put in the work. I think hf thinks he can lead the town to victory and make the game more fun for everyone while he's at it.

I certainly don't think that - given what's happened so far - but its pretty clear to me that he thinks that.





Hes also fucking experience enough to know this. If he dies while making the game all about him / lying to push his own agenda's etc... Then dies? Say for this argument the town believes the same shit he does? Moment he dies they are fucked.

Any smart player knows that pushing to be a leading voice is not a bad thing, but thats not making the game about you, its being a central voice in the chaos. Lying? Give me an example in a game where we can't communicate outside of thread that lying is a good move?


The only definite lie hf got caught in was saying he wasn't going to lynch Palmar. That would be better classified as misleading because saying that when hf already had a bunch of mayor votes was obviously going to have effects you could analyze for the benefit of the town.

Otherwise its this dumbass thing about whether or not he could change his lynch which we don't know because the hosts won't come here and tell us so what's even the point of arguing about it.

The whole 'lynch hf' thing reeks of pitchforks and lack of objectivity to me.


I didn't get caught in any lie??? Not even 1 minute goes past where I literally say I was just kidding and was still going to lynch Palmar.


I never got caught in a lie.

I only lied the once because I thought it'd be funny.

OK mate.


You do know what the phrase "caught in a lie" means right?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 06 2019 10:30 GMT
#4119
Any reasons onegu is town?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
March 06 2019 10:35 GMT
#4120
On March 06 2019 18:38 Blazinghand wrote:
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On March 06 2019 18:33 Holyflare wrote:
On March 06 2019 18:27 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 06 2019 17:24 Holyflare wrote:
BH who is just sitting there with the most information in the game about his wagon and instead he's still just repeating to kill him.


A) I actually have not asked to be lynched today
B) the only extra information I have is that I'm town, and presumably people fall into two categories:

1) people who think I am town and so have just as much information as I do
2) people who think I am scum, and i'm not sure i'd convince such people that I have "more information" than them just by asserting I am town


That's not true at all. You're in the perfect information spot. People were scum reading the conversion slot and vivax's alignment hasn't been determined and they were the ones that specifically saved you. If you were mafia then their alignments would be clear but if you're town then it's just two people doing stupid shenanigans at the last second for no reason.

You would know the alignment of both wagons, you know how mafia plays if you're both town wagons in this situation. They avoid looking bad, throw up hesitation, sit back and do nothing and yet you've provided nothing to reveal any of this to anyone.

People that think you are scum think so because you've pretty much done nothing but ask people to lynch you. You're supposed to be the bastion of good play in this forum but you did the quintessential anti town thing of trying to vote yourself and knowingly creating confusion. What kind of role model are you that you'd rather forfeit your most important weapon, if you are town, because you couldn't be bothered to play?

I'm heavily disappointed in you BH but I can't say I'm surprised in the slightest.


I mean, I apologized for the poor play when I thought I was being lynched, but that could easily have been a gambit, just as your crocodile tears are here. If you're legitimately disappointed, let's talk about it post game, other wise shut up asshole.


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