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On September 01 2016 00:31 Tumblewood wrote:
Palmar is acting unusually for him, but that's not necessarily mafia. not quite sure how to feel about it; I'm used to wagon of justice Palmar and all I get this game is normal player Palmar. and the no brakes train to loseville sounds like it fits pretty well with my playstyle.
On September 02 2016 14:37 Tumblewood wrote:
hf can u shut up about how palmar sheeped koshi but blah blah blah you made it first or whatever? it is not leading anywhere. maybe it's correct but I'd like to think it's a broken clock except it still yells TICK TICK TICK and at the top of every hour a cuckoo pops out and yells PALMAR'S SCUM! and it's still only right twice a day
On September 02 2016 14:40 Tumblewood wrote:
I can definitely see the thought process behind me being afk for large chunks of time -> mafia, but not so much for palmar because he is afk frequently and as both alignments. he's also not that afk compared to tt.
On September 02 2016 23:05 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 17:16 Holyflare wrote:not that bad lynches
scott (probably the worst of these 4)
geript
tt
palmar
I think 2 or 3 scum are in that second pool. scott and dane can sorta be their own category in the middle if I felt like it, and maybe hf can join them Why is there a qualification next to my name when the two people I'm pushing the most are the people you think are mafia? I also really, really hate that you're calling out my read on palmar for being repeated when nobody but dane acknowledged it AND he's your scum read. It's so misplaced and just doesn't fit with the rest of the post or your reads. because I don't care about it even a tenth as much as you do. and I disagree that Palmar would never do that as town
On September 02 2016 23:12 Tumblewood wrote:
it scares me how easily the wagon on Palmar built up and how stubborn it is. you know what attitude really benefits scum if he flips town? "let's lynch Palmar and if he's town we give up". not to mention that tt and I were afk for >36 hours and only got one vote each, when normally that would make us the leading wagons.
It actually is 5. All on the last page of your filter. Which is probably last 36 hours?
But your scumlist:
On September 02 2016 14:55 Tumblewood wrote:
I swear I could make a palmar post generator. just input [random quote] "worst post in the game" [other quote] "100% mafia. there's clearly a thought process but I just don't see it most of the time.
ANYWAY. my best guess at a read is that palmar is scum because a) wrong on d1 though shenannies kinda don't count and b) usually as town he falls somewhere in the middle of the scale on arrogance or the very extreme high end, and right now he is on the low side. maybe worth letting him live in case mafia decides to kill him n2 for being palmar. legit thought
ok. where I'm at right now is:
can be excluded from the scum pool
trfel
hf, I think
koshi as soon as he says he'll stop posting and then keeps posting
vivax
dane, for now
not that bad lynches
scott (probably the worst of these 4)
geript
tt
palmar
I think 2 or 3 scum are in that second pool. scott and dane can sorta be their own category in the middle if I felt like it, and maybe hf can join them
Still got Palmar in there as lock mafia.
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On September 02 2016 23:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 00:31 Tumblewood wrote:
Palmar is acting unusually for him, but that's not necessarily mafia. not quite sure how to feel about it; I'm used to wagon of justice Palmar and all I get this game is normal player Palmar. and the no brakes train to loseville sounds like it fits pretty well with my playstyle. Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 14:37 Tumblewood wrote:
hf can u shut up about how palmar sheeped koshi but blah blah blah you made it first or whatever? it is not leading anywhere. maybe it's correct but I'd like to think it's a broken clock except it still yells TICK TICK TICK and at the top of every hour a cuckoo pops out and yells PALMAR'S SCUM! and it's still only right twice a day
Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 14:40 Tumblewood wrote:
I can definitely see the thought process behind me being afk for large chunks of time -> mafia, but not so much for palmar because he is afk frequently and as both alignments. he's also not that afk compared to tt. Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 23:05 Tumblewood wrote:On September 02 2016 17:16 Holyflare wrote:not that bad lynches
scott (probably the worst of these 4)
geript
tt
palmar
I think 2 or 3 scum are in that second pool. scott and dane can sorta be their own category in the middle if I felt like it, and maybe hf can join them Why is there a qualification next to my name when the two people I'm pushing the most are the people you think are mafia? I also really, really hate that you're calling out my read on palmar for being repeated when nobody but dane acknowledged it AND he's your scum read. It's so misplaced and just doesn't fit with the rest of the post or your reads. because I don't care about it even a tenth as much as you do. and I disagree that Palmar would never do that as town Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 23:12 Tumblewood wrote:
it scares me how easily the wagon on Palmar built up and how stubborn it is. you know what attitude really benefits scum if he flips town? "let's lynch Palmar and if he's town we give up". not to mention that tt and I were afk for >36 hours and only got one vote each, when normally that would make us the leading wagons. It actually is 5. All on the last page of your filter. Which is probably last 36 hours? But your scumlist: Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 14:55 Tumblewood wrote:
I swear I could make a palmar post generator. just input [random quote] "worst post in the game" [other quote] "100% mafia. there's clearly a thought process but I just don't see it most of the time.
ANYWAY. my best guess at a read is that palmar is scum because a) wrong on d1 though shenannies kinda don't count and b) usually as town he falls somewhere in the middle of the scale on arrogance or the very extreme high end, and right now he is on the low side. maybe worth letting him live in case mafia decides to kill him n2 for being palmar. legit thought
ok. where I'm at right now is:
can be excluded from the scum pool
trfel
hf, I think
koshi as soon as he says he'll stop posting and then keeps posting
vivax
dane, for now
not that bad lynches
scott (probably the worst of these 4)
geript
tt
palmar
I think 2 or 3 scum are in that second pool. scott and dane can sorta be their own category in the middle if I felt like it, and maybe hf can join them Still got Palmar in there as lock mafia.
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On September 02 2016 23:22 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 23:12 Tumblewood wrote:
it scares me how easily the wagon on Palmar built up and how stubborn it is. you know what attitude really benefits scum if he flips town? "let's lynch Palmar and if he's town we give up". not to mention that tt and I were afk for >36 hours and only got one vote each, when normally that would make us the leading wagons. What is this purpose behind this post? How many times have you know soft defended Palmar? 5? ##unvote
##vote TumblewoodFine. You win.
idc if I've been soft defending Palmar. he might not even be mafia, if you can comprehend such a world
and that reminds me, you really need to drop your scumread on vivax because it ignores his biggest tell of not giving up after one day, and his second biggest tell of making crazy cases
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On September 02 2016 23:36 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 23:22 Koshi wrote:On September 02 2016 23:12 Tumblewood wrote:
it scares me how easily the wagon on Palmar built up and how stubborn it is. you know what attitude really benefits scum if he flips town? "let's lynch Palmar and if he's town we give up". not to mention that tt and I were afk for >36 hours and only got one vote each, when normally that would make us the leading wagons. What is this purpose behind this post? How many times have you know soft defended Palmar? 5? ##unvote
##vote TumblewoodFine. You win. idc if I've been soft defending Palmar. he might not even be mafia, if you can comprehend such a world and that reminds me, you really need to drop your scumread on vivax because it ignores his biggest tell of not giving up after one day, and his second biggest tell of making crazy cases
Then why is he in your scumlist under LOCK mafia. Because you have 4 names in which you are confident are 2-3 mafia and 2 names were dane + geript which you could put into null.
So scott and Palmar are lock mafia then right? So why are you solely talking about how Palmar is not really mafia and ignore everyhting else.
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and no, just because he is in my pool titled "lock scum"-- oh wait, it's actually titled "not bad lynches"-- does not mean I think Palmar is 100% mafia
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On September 02 2016 23:39 Tumblewood wrote:
and no, just because he is in my pool titled "lock scum"-- oh wait, it's actually titled "not bad lynches"-- does not mean I think Palmar is 100% mafia
4 "not bad lynches" that have possible 3 mafia in them.
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On September 02 2016 23:39 Koshi wrote:
Tumble go vote.
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On September 02 2016 23:39 Koshi wrote:
Tumble go vote.
this is a tough one because I don't know if I will need another survival wagon or if it will be a wasted vote, but I don't trust myself to not forget later in the day. tt sounds better than Palmar, but it also sounds like that would piss a lot of people off. that sounds fun but getting lynched is not... hm
##vote tictock
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whoa why is geript voting vivax
I'm not really good at mafia, but I'm good at noticing when a player who is known to be bad at faking his town meta is playing his town meta. does that ring any bells
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Going to try something different.
Prepare for a few somewhat rambly WoT's.
Scott:
Started because of this post,
On September 01 2016 00:20 scott31337 wrote:
It just seems like every one bailed off of TW so easily, it just makes me wonder.
So answer your question HF - I was working on a ticket at work and was trying to count votes in the thread - by the time I did, it was 5-4 Rels? I think, Rels was ahead. So I never did change my vote - I wasn't 100% sure if I wanted to, I was like "Welp, If I don't die, there just going to try to mislynch me tomorrow instead, and I'm going to be gone a lot of the game day."
I'll be spending some good time in the thread this afternoon - I have an american football game to go to Thursday night, and driving out of town for work on Friday morning for network installs, so I won't be around much after today.
I'll be back in a while.
Noted kus kinda a large blurb of "Later", also checked his last 3-4 posts prior are all the same with less words.
Followup?
On September 01 2016 04:00 scott31337 wrote:
LOL Nice one Race.
Getting swamped with a site crapping out - but I'm sort of around.
Terrible, "I'm paying attn but not doing anything"
Despite a burst of activity which is just one liners, this sums up scott's posts up to pg 60.
On September 01 2016 14:36 scott31337 wrote:
I really have lost all morale all game. I'm going back to voting Vivax, and if you all want to mislynch me, fuck it. I'll be gone the next two days more or less - but I'll be checking in.
All in all pretty disappointing from Scott, this is a game losing behavior if scott is town and honestly he should know that.
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Tumblewood:
On September 01 2016 00:31 Tumblewood wrote:
Palmar is acting unusually for him, but that's not necessarily mafia. not quite sure how to feel about it; I'm used to wagon of justice Palmar and all I get this game is normal player Palmar. and the no brakes train to loseville sounds like it fits pretty well with my playstyle.
Sorta agree, especially that it doesn't make Palmar mafia.
not much going on...
On September 01 2016 23:49 Tumblewood wrote:
welp I've been blindsided by extreme busyness
thankfully the new posts are slim, but I probably won't be able to catch up till the second half of D2
was the Hf CC on disfo real or just a figment of my imagination?
First person I saw to pickup on this. Not sure what to make of that.
Nothing else noteworthy while catching up, will need to filter again though.
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Koshi:
Noting this from Koshi... kus WTF it came from Koshi?
On September 01 2016 05:01 Koshi wrote:Vivax/Palmar are both mafia. 3rd guy is a low content player that isn't scott or TW. So we are looking at RB/DanelerH/Geript. If it isn't RB I am going to guess geript. Scott I am 100% town on. If I die and you lynch him I am going to be very very sad. 100% town. Please believe me. Please. @Scott. When I die please feel free to solely keep quoting this message till the baddies remove their votes. Disformation obvious town. During the day he felt indecisive but with the activity during the night he became 100% town. HF obvious town. I don't think this high content activity is within his mafia reach. The doc should pick him or disformation tbh. Just flip a coin. Tfrel I wouldn't lynch but tbh I haven't read his filter yet. TW is probably going to be town. The posts he made before the lynch and after the lynch are more likely coming from an honest townie than an Oscar worthy mafia. TT I also think is town. Somewhere right before I made the TW case, (or right after?), we were thinking exactly the same on where to solve the game and where to look. He is also one of the few to be scumreading/pressuring geript/Vivax through the game. Just solid scumhunting on his own and trying to solve the game. I think that is the best way to townread TT btw. Palmar 100% mafia. Kill with fire. If you don't understand Palmar is mafia there is no hope for you. Has been sitting on random wagons taking 0 credit for his reads. Town!Palmar his favorite thing is to taunt town that he is right when he is sitting on a different wagon. Or play better and actually lead town. Nothing of that here, his like between the two. I'll let HF explain it better if I die. VivaxVivax is pushing mafia agenda 24/7. It is obvious if you look at the small things: Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote:
Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning. Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:55 Vivax wrote:On August 29 2016 06:49 Trfel wrote:On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote:
Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning. Sorry Vivax, I'm still trying to figure this out. I'm not quite getting what you're saying. You're saying that if Tumblewood was actually interested in my alignment, and actually wanted to talk about me, then he would have discussed your post about me instead of just talking about Palmar's read on Rels? Or am I wrong? More or less. I think he was way more drawn to the Rels issue than to yours which he initially mentioned. But why would he? Does he just have fun antagonizing Palmar? Is he more protective of Rels for other reasons? These 2 posts are very shady attempts to put pressure on TW without being in the spotlights. You read these posts and just ignore them and just put in your head "Vivax has something on TW" and take that with you without understanding what he means. Look at the bolded, it is putting very light suspicion on TW with unflipped association to Rels. Also the sentence right before that is just a very shady attempt to discredit TW from the start " Does he just have fun antagonizing Palmar?". Both sentences were ambitious tries from Vivax to put the thread against TW. and it worked. Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 21:50 Vivax wrote:Methinks we are all on a wrong track atm. We were until I found enlightenment. Spoilered road to enlightenment. + Show Spoiler +
I thought to myself "why are you wrong so many times on D1 Vivax?Why?".
The answer is that mafia is a hard game, best played after carefully finding out how mafia plays in finished games.
So I went ahead and read a bit of Who needs 72 hours anyway mafia with the Rels Grack and TUmble scum team.
Rels entered the thread with a qt joke and talking about mechanics.
Grack was the most interesting cause I found someone to compare him to in this game.
Tumble was mostly lazily throwing around reads.
So I'll go right ahead and tell you who our D1 lynch is. It's scott. When I read that I actually wanted to skip over the entire case just because how bad the intro was. This is the most forced way to start a case. And it just smells of TMI "youare all on the wrong track but here is a bullshit case on scott that I want you all to gobble up" And we did...
Speeding this thing up due to having other things to do:Everything else Vivax did that day was push his scott ml while cheering on the TW ml. Also look at this: Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 02:15 Vivax wrote:On September 01 2016 02:13 Koshi wrote:
I have been here the entire day. Your take on solving the game? I'm genuinely interested. Or are you saving it for post-night Pretending to be interested so they can decide if they should nk me. Pushing ùafoa agenda all night long. Why is geript more likely mafia over Danel? Because geript fits the team better. Show nested quote +HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual. I liked it the first time I read it. But now that I reread it I can see him be mafia with Palmar/Vivax. It's also the small things like Palmar vs geript never being a real thing, the push from Palmar on geript was superweak. Palmar telling me geript his summarize wasn't good while it was pretty good on first sight, it just felt wrong because he didn't try to convince me. Not sure what Vivax even thinks about geript. He talked to Palmar about geript but never took a stance about it himself. All super weak stuff. It would be unlikely mafia shows face this hard so Danel is still an option. or RB #prayforred going to post this because if I don't and die I will never forgive myself. come at me mafia.
Having a hard time with Koshi's posts I'm gunna have to refilter him later.
@Koshi:
On September 02 2016 17:46 Koshi wrote:
Tfrel looking worse and worse each post he makes. Still can't believe he didn't bother figuring out my post more. And if he thought that was my scumlist why he didn't go apeshit over the fact scott was in it.
So bad.
But wagon of justice is Palmar.
Can you explain what is looking worse in Trfel's posts?
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On September 01 2016 06:41 DanelerH wrote:
I didn't realize we were allowed to speak during the Night phase (we weren't allowed to in the other games I played). I'm going to need a bit of time to catch up.
On September 01 2016 07:48 DanelerH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 05:01 Koshi wrote:
Palmar 100% mafia. Kill with fire. If you don't understand Palmar is mafia there is no hope for you. Has been sitting on random wagons taking 0 credit for his reads. Town!Palmar his favorite thing is to taunt town that he is right when he is sitting on a different wagon. Or play better and actually lead town. Nothing of that here, his like between the two. I'll let HF explain it better if I die. If anyone can back up the bold portion, please do so. I don't know how accurate this is. Regardless, the italicized portion made me check Palmar's filter again and I found out that Koshi is correct about this. Palmar went from: Rels: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 06:33 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:30 disformation wrote:On August 29 2016 06:29 Palmar wrote:
This is not a joke btw. Rels is probably mafia. please enlighten me. for instantly disappearing after posting a 2 character post? Is that a meta thing for him? Ah fantastic. No, it's absolutely not a meta thing. You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things. But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves. He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia. - Something of note: + Show Spoiler +Palmar didn't give xyr theory on Rels until asked for it. Prior to this, xe only said "Rels is Mafia." On August 29 2016 06:31 Palmar wrote:
ok is no one going to ask me how I came up with my theory? what is this? Geript: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 19:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 18:45 Palmar wrote:
geript's two long posts are awful. He quotes a bunch of my posts and gives random commentary, then proceeds to make his conclusion some joke about marv.
Also, Rels still afk? wow such caught. Like to elaborate further on the geript thing. It's of special notice that when he is posting, Rels is clearly running away with the vote, and as such, geript should be paying attention to that part of the game, yet all he says about my case is "i am not impressed" without giving any further reasoning about it. In his conclusion he states "Rels is useless as usual" or something like that, which is like the weakest possible stance you can take on the person currently up for lynch. Like I would've been fine if geript's criticism was actually explained, or thought out at all. His long posts really stick out as "I'm gonna quote a bunch of shit and add random commentary so it looks like I'm doing things". Essentially, despite the long form of his posts, what he has done is basically written a glorified list post that looks something like this: Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:
Town
HF
Koshi
Vivax
Leaning Town
Trfel
Null
Palmar
Scott
Rels
Scum
Tumble
RB
disfo
Not that lists aren't fine, they're often a good way to gauge where someone stands on a game, but meeeehhh~~~ Also, he completely disregarded my point on RB which I still think is an excellent point. So yeah. geript's entrance is shit. Tumblewood: + Show Spoiler +On August 30 2016 19:54 Palmar wrote:
Voting Tumblewood
Partly because I admire the fact Koshi wrote a case that looks good and I want to support a good effort.
Mostly though because he put me in "null/I don't care" category.
- Something of note: + Show Spoiler +Palmar wasn't the only one suspicious of Tumblewood. Holyflare was suspicous of Tumblewood a long time before this. Despite each of them making a case on the same person, Palmar made the following post: On August 31 2016 01:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 23:10 Vivax wrote:
HF is very sheepable this game. Moreso than Palmar, even though he will hate me for saying this.
I never get who the hell Dan talks about when he says xym/xe, there is no player going by that name can you for the love of god use the actual names or do you have a chinese autocorrect turned on? HF has done literally nothing worth noticing. Geript (again): + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 05:44 Palmar wrote:
I am only going to be on phone tonight but for what it's worth I didn't think tw sounded like mafia when we talked today. It's not a strong read nor am I going to hard defend him (don't wanna look like an idiot if he flips mafia) but yeah
I think geript is a better lunch. There is a vey concise and simple point against him Rels (again): + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 05:59 Palmar wrote:
I awitched rather kill Rels than scott - Something of note: + Show Spoiler +This was only 15 minutes later and allegedly wasn't because Blue claim from Rels. On August 31 2016 07:19 Palmar wrote:
yeah I don't have to argue this right now so I'm not going to.
I did not switch after he claimed blue, or if I did it was only because phone posting is slower. I switched, as stated, because of the two options left on the table I wanted to kill Rels over scott.
If Palmar is Mafia, I think it's safe to say that Geript and Tumblewood probably aren't.
I might be forever townreading this guy.
Also...
+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2016 00:39 DanelerH wrote:I have no qualms with lynching Palmar, however I thought I would look into some other people that are currently under suspicion. One of these people is Tictock. In xyr filter, I found something very interesting: + Show Spoiler +Notice how Rels is listed under "Null," but Vivax is listed under "Scum lean." The reason why this is odd is because it doesn't match with Tictock's vote: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 08:45 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 08:18 Koshi wrote:
Now that Palmar plays I will just let him do his thing and lynch him D3 if we don't lynch mafia. eztactics and 100% foolproof. Hey, that was my plan! Now I feel like I should come up with something more original... but thankfully I'm pretty lazy. For now I think I'll add my weight to the Rels train kus a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game. Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them. Pretty sure Trfel and Dis are both town. That is all. ## Vote: Rels If you look at the timestamps in each of these, you'll see that the Rels vote was on before being suspicious of Vivax. Yes, Tictock was an early supporter of the Rels lynch, but it's strange that xe never changed the vote to Vivax. My vote on Rels is was exactly what I said in w/e post I made the vote in. It was for pressure to get Rels to do stuff. He hadn't done anything at that point in the game, how could I have a read on him? Again though, this is a good post.
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On September 01 2016 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
I will lynch any of palmar/ticktock today. I don't think much has changed for me to be honest, dane looking a but townier with the last post, scott falling off the face of the earth makes me contemplate joining the wagon of purity. I mean one of his posts was just a list post that wasn't even a list, more vote count colouring. Will read into him more.
Uhhh, still anti anything palmar says obviously :D
Like, there's a roughly 0% chance palmar joins a tw wagon and likes koshi's case but doesn't realise i made it first and he's sheeping me but ignores that and says I've done nothing :D
I really hate this post, especially given HF's read on Scott is ever-changing and never backed up.
Combined with how he played EoD into night I think there is a solid chance HF is mafia. Kinda slowplayed D1, got really right at EoD to push Rels, into some quick accusations and a lot of activity at night but not much thought or analysis being done. I stand by my original VoD selection + Show Spoiler +, HF is a whole lotta words without much substance this game.
On September 01 2016 09:57 Holyflare wrote:
Lol why do you think i force people to call me town? It's so I can concentrate and not get distracted. Hence mafia palmar trying to tilt me into an argument to fit his "meta" crap post he posted earlier about me.
Basically the people that are mafia this game are the ones that are just calling me mafia-ish with no real conviction and leaving the door open for later (ticktock) and the guy with no real conviction to lynch anyone and calls me mafia for what reason exactly? which is not normal (palmar)
+probably scott but maybe not but probably
This is a vast misrepresentation of my play. I called HF null into town-reading him.
On September 02 2016 21:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 18:19 Holyflare wrote:
Also beginning to hate tw because omgus even though it's not even a scum read on me?? Ahhh this bugs me so much????? Not only was I the ONLY one to try and save him at deadline day 1 AFTER making a case on him which ordinarily I'd just make everyone follow but I've given him like 1 1/2 cycles to play and give him leeway but I'm a random side mafia lean with a whole post dedicated to trashing a GOOD read on his scum read. Mafia really are only dropping weak as shit mafia reads on me. He's next lynch if I die plz.
Actually, why would he do this as mafia? What on earth does he gain from it given his position this game?
On September 02 2016 22:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 22:04 Tictock wrote:For reference, someone who actually put more than a few minuets looking at something. On August 31 2016 17:00 Trfel wrote:TictockTictock's end of day looks really bad. He makes a lot of posts talking about how much he wants to lynch Tumblewood and how scummy he thinks Tumblewood is: + Show Spoiler [Examples] +On August 31 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote:
fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript. What about his responses make you think he's town? Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him. On August 31 2016 05:36 Tictock wrote:
I'm pretty happy to be lynching Tumble honestly.
Nothing he's posted in the past few hours says anything, and he's mostly just whining about how he's not really playing his scum meta.
I get the scumreads on Dane but I feel like he's much more a roll of the die than Tumble who is like 95% likely to flip mafia here imo. Like I get why some of his posts are triggering alarms but I feel like he is putting in effort.
Scott is still a tough one for me this game. Palmar flip-flopping from geript to Tumble and then back to Geript is worth raising an eyebrow or two at, but is not something I care to dig into right now. On August 31 2016 05:41 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:40 Tumblewood wrote:
honestly I really want to lynch Koshi right now
or maybe hf
circa 20 minutes from now it should strike everyone as really weird that my wagon formed so easily and didn't budge even when things changed Nothing has changed, expect more and more people realizing you rolled mafia this game. On August 31 2016 05:43 Tictock wrote:
Deadline is so close... I think I'm going back to Legion.
I want Tumble to be the lynch today, so plz no last min shenannies. Dane is a worse lynch than Tumble. But he switches to Rels anyway. On August 31 2016 06:41 Tictock wrote:
I hate myself for caving to pressure.
Sorry Rels. And he blames it on caving into pressure. Given how much he talked about wanting to lynch Tumblewood and not shenanigan, even after Rels posted all of his most scummy stuff at EoD, this is the most plausible explanation if Tictock is indeed town. But it still doesn't seem very solid at all. Other than this End of Day stuff I kind of like Tictock's play? So I'm not sure what to make of this yet.
I know that unflipped associations are really stupid, but if scott31337 is mafia, Tictock's play looks far more suspicious. Here's the vote count before Tictock's vote switch: On August 31 2016 05:58 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Vote Count #7
Votes: - Rels (4) -
Palmar, Vivax, scott31337, disformation, Koshi, Tictock, Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood
- Trfel (0) -
disformation
- disformation (0) -
Holyflare, Koshi, geript
- Tumblewood (2) -
Koshi, Koshi, Holyflare, scott31337, Tictock, Palmar, disformation, disformation, Trfel
- Koshi (0) -
DanelerH
- geript (1) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
- TicTock (0) -
Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) -
disformation, Race Bannon
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Not voting: - Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched. Tictock's vote was really important in sealing the lynch as Rels, instead of scott31337. He could maybe have predicted Palmar switching votes to Rels, but relying on other people to switch would be a huge risk. So if scott31337 flips mafia, Tictock looks a lot worse. Even if scott31337 flips town, his End of Day makes me a bit suspicious about him. 1:You realise what you've quoted here is trfel putting in unnecessary words to what I already said? You said you didn't want to switch, you looked like you didn't want to switch and then you switched. Trfel explains what I did in 3 quotes but with 4 long paragraphs instead. You then go on to further say that me not doing anything with the vca is bad but also say that me accusing you because of the vca is bad. Congratulations. Are you going to cherry pick more of my posts or actually admit that I'm town now? I'm only on a phone at work for 90% of my game playing time so quoting a lot is already an unnecessary hassle but you're welcome to ask me questions instead of shit flinging and I will personally take my time elaborating everything that I thought at the time of each post/moment in the game. 2: If you're unclear about scott it's because he looked happy day 1 but then when I returned to the thread that's all I had in my mind, vivax's case wasn't so convincing over my happiness read. End of day 1 I only had an hour or less to read over and convince myself about tumble being really mafia or if I wanted to switch. Rels allowed me to and I love a good shenanigan for information and tumble was yelling and looked vaguely townie whereas rels just posted responses and no original thought really. Scott did absolutely nothing and yet actually WAS around at the deadline and then vanished which always emotionally makes me think that person is mafia. From a purely vca standpoint he looked mafka and trfel's case i read that and somewhat agreed with it at some point around then iirc.
His play so far probably makes him mafia and there's no spreadsheet still so almost definitely. Unless you're trying to dispute this point in which case I will yell at you for tmi and kill you today. 
Any more inconsistencies you want explained good sir? I like nipping things in the bud so you can't perpetually fling shit at me later.
1: No, you threw around a couple of throwaway opinions like "he said things that bugged me" while Trfel showed some evidence and tried to put thought into mindset and comes to the obv conclusion that my vote switch only makes sense if I'm mafia with scott.
2: So why haven't you pushed Scott at all today?
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Ok I got lazy and didn't make giant posts for everybody, just the stuff I felt like noting.
I think this is where I am at.
Town:
Trfel - + Show Spoiler +
DanelerH - + Show Spoiler +Really feels like newbie town
Vivax - + Show Spoiler +total 180 from what I've seen as scum, hasn't dropped a beat even with game looking glim
Probably Town:
Palmar - + Show Spoiler +Honestly just feels, nothing besides some erratic voting has raised an eyebrow.
Probably should be a priority filter to review
Null:
Geript - + Show Spoiler +Dunno could go either way, need to relook at stuff.
Koshi - + Show Spoiler +Doesn't feel like Koshi today. Too complacent I think.
Scum:
Tumblewood - + Show Spoiler +I've actually moved Tumble between Scum and Null a couple times now. On the one hand I see a few thoughts I like, but I have problems with Tumble's conclusions. Especially it bugs me again with Tumble's scott read, even in his last list post he's contradicting himself about Scott. + Show Spoiler +
not that bad lynches
scott (probably the worst of these 4)
geript
tt
palmar
I think 2 or 3 scum are in that second pool. scott and dane can sorta be their own category in the middle if I felt like it, and maybe hf can join them
Calls scott the worst of the "not bad lynches" then puts him kinda null with dane. I feel like Scott is one of his least talked about reads still as well.
Holyflare - + Show Spoiler +Whole approach to the game since EoD scream scum to me. Riding a high from getting a blue lynched D1 (I know the feeling, my first mafia game) going right into N1 accusing the town who helped lynch him.
Nothing in his posts since then show real thought or analysis, he's just picked an argument and ran with the easiest path. There was no follow through in analysis or checking other theories.
Not a fan of his uber-defensive post responding to my stuff earlier either.
scott31337 - + Show Spoiler +Never really put much into the game, and seems to have just given up. We never got much follow-through from Scott's spreadsheet stuff earlier, and giving up in this position is totally the opposite of the attitude Scott had D1 + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 12:00 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 11:42 Tictock wrote:
Scott, whats got you so active this game?
I mean I like it, it's just not what I'm used to. I read the posts I and others made about D1 earlier in the thread. - I never liked d1, but geript's and the one I linked made a lot of sense. You should read them if you have not already TLDR of them - get everyone to not be a null . However it does fit a scum!scott agenda to lay low in a good position and try to bring down town's mood.
Can someone give me a brief rundown of exactly why Palmar is mafia and the current wagon? I never really got exactly why people are voting him.
Personally I'd really like to lynch HF because I know by posting this I am in for a storm.
Scott is probably the safer bet though.
##Vote: Holyflare
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And now I'm gunna afk/go back to Legion for a few hours kus dam that took a bit longer than I hoped.
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I am not mafia, no idea why people still think that's really an option.
I don't have the energy to argue against the train of stupidity that's coming after me. so instead I'll just share what I think is relevant in this game and you guys can then either listen to me now, or you can listen to me later.
Koshi: Almost definitely town. He is, in his own bad way, trying to get the game solved. Also, it's literally his town meta to think I'm mafia and be wrong about it. He's also not just tunneling one thing (for example he's not just tunneling me, he's actually doing other stuff). I liked his case on TW at the time on day 1, although I don't really think TW is mafia but I might be wrong on that. He also gets a massive towncredit for pointing out geript's inconsistency during day 1.
Vivax: Essentially the same as Koshi, effort and stubbornness rating is through the roof compared to what I'd expect of mafia Vivax. He's also being a paranoid baddie which is something he excels at. He has also pointed out inconsistencies (specifically one by geript, I think) that was really good.
Trfel: To me, he's been completely under the radar this game. I might try to open his filter and read it before the evening, but so far I've essentially ignored most of his posts, which is often a good indication that someone is mafia (I tend to ignore mafia because their posts are usually bland and boring).
Scott: I liked one post by him on day 1 so weakest townread ever? I don't really know, another person I have less formed opinion on.
geript: Once again, he's almost lock mafia. His posting has been repeatedly proven to be out of touch with his own reality, and he's basically happy to sit back and let things happen.
Holyflare Another basically lock mafia. I'm almost more sure on him than geript. The main problem is that he barely cared during day 1, no matter how much he wants to make it look like he had a hand in the TW push. Then he came in late, helped with some shenanigans that to me made little sense (why didn't he try to shennie onto geript instead?). But even then he was light on actual content. Then during the night he starts hammering me for literally something he made up (trying to paint me bad for the Rels thing). there is 0% chance holyflare actually thinks what he says he's thinking. He's also quite a bit better at scumhunting than Koshi and Vivax and thus should know better than to think I'm mafia.
TW I don't know much about his posting today, but I sort of agreed with koshi's initial case, but he didn't sound like mafia when we were talking in the thread. So while I'm not gonna go overboard with it, I think he's more likely to be town.
Danieler No idea, not really read his filter much. I think I liked something he said, but I can't remember what or why. Like I don't have him in my mental "these people are scum" group.
Tictock Not really read up on him again. I basically gave him a townread when he posted the gif-reads on day 1 and I've not bothered with him since. Maybe it's time, but I think there's much higher mafia chance people.
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Got to travel home. Already 6 mins late!
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