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On September 02 2016 21:17 Vivax wrote:
Geript scumreading me is almost too bad to be scum, for Koshi it's the usual tinfoil he has on me, he just can't accept me being town ever.
Fairly standard stuff. I stand by my case (Palmar, TW, scott).
If this shitty martir-y Palmar flips town I don't know if I can save this game the next day.
I'm not martyr-ing.
I'm just playing wow.
You really need to wake up and smell the coffee man.
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On September 02 2016 23:57 Tictock wrote:Holyflare:Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 09:14 Holyflare wrote:
I will lynch any of palmar/ticktock today. I don't think much has changed for me to be honest, dane looking a but townier with the last post, scott falling off the face of the earth makes me contemplate joining the wagon of purity. I mean one of his posts was just a list post that wasn't even a list, more vote count colouring. Will read into him more.
Uhhh, still anti anything palmar says obviously :D
Like, there's a roughly 0% chance palmar joins a tw wagon and likes koshi's case but doesn't realise i made it first and he's sheeping me but ignores that and says I've done nothing :D I really hate this post, especially given HF's read on Scott is ever-changing and never backed up. Combined with how he played EoD into night I think there is a solid chance HF is mafia. Kinda slowplayed D1, got really right at EoD to push Rels, into some quick accusations and a lot of activity at night but not much thought or analysis being done. I stand by my original VoD selection + Show Spoiler +, HF is a whole lotta words without much substance this game.
Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 09:57 Holyflare wrote:
Lol why do you think i force people to call me town? It's so I can concentrate and not get distracted. Hence mafia palmar trying to tilt me into an argument to fit his "meta" crap post he posted earlier about me.
Basically the people that are mafia this game are the ones that are just calling me mafia-ish with no real conviction and leaving the door open for later (ticktock) and the guy with no real conviction to lynch anyone and calls me mafia for what reason exactly? which is not normal (palmar)
+probably scott but maybe not but probably This is a vast misrepresentation of my play. I called HF null into town-reading him.
Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 21:18 Holyflare wrote:On September 02 2016 18:19 Holyflare wrote:
Also beginning to hate tw because omgus even though it's not even a scum read on me?? Ahhh this bugs me so much????? Not only was I the ONLY one to try and save him at deadline day 1 AFTER making a case on him which ordinarily I'd just make everyone follow but I've given him like 1 1/2 cycles to play and give him leeway but I'm a random side mafia lean with a whole post dedicated to trashing a GOOD read on his scum read. Mafia really are only dropping weak as shit mafia reads on me. He's next lynch if I die plz. Actually, why would he do this as mafia? What on earth does he gain from it given his position this game?
Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 22:20 Holyflare wrote:On September 02 2016 22:04 Tictock wrote:For reference, someone who actually put more than a few minuets looking at something. On August 31 2016 17:00 Trfel wrote:TictockTictock's end of day looks really bad. He makes a lot of posts talking about how much he wants to lynch Tumblewood and how scummy he thinks Tumblewood is: + Show Spoiler [Examples] +On August 31 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 02:15 Palmar wrote:
fuck it TW actually sounds kind of like town. I'm going back to geript. What about his responses make you think he's town? Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him. On August 31 2016 05:36 Tictock wrote:
I'm pretty happy to be lynching Tumble honestly.
Nothing he's posted in the past few hours says anything, and he's mostly just whining about how he's not really playing his scum meta.
I get the scumreads on Dane but I feel like he's much more a roll of the die than Tumble who is like 95% likely to flip mafia here imo. Like I get why some of his posts are triggering alarms but I feel like he is putting in effort.
Scott is still a tough one for me this game. Palmar flip-flopping from geript to Tumble and then back to Geript is worth raising an eyebrow or two at, but is not something I care to dig into right now. On August 31 2016 05:41 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:40 Tumblewood wrote:
honestly I really want to lynch Koshi right now
or maybe hf
circa 20 minutes from now it should strike everyone as really weird that my wagon formed so easily and didn't budge even when things changed Nothing has changed, expect more and more people realizing you rolled mafia this game. On August 31 2016 05:43 Tictock wrote:
Deadline is so close... I think I'm going back to Legion.
I want Tumble to be the lynch today, so plz no last min shenannies. Dane is a worse lynch than Tumble. But he switches to Rels anyway. On August 31 2016 06:41 Tictock wrote:
I hate myself for caving to pressure.
Sorry Rels. And he blames it on caving into pressure. Given how much he talked about wanting to lynch Tumblewood and not shenanigan, even after Rels posted all of his most scummy stuff at EoD, this is the most plausible explanation if Tictock is indeed town. But it still doesn't seem very solid at all. Other than this End of Day stuff I kind of like Tictock's play? So I'm not sure what to make of this yet.
I know that unflipped associations are really stupid, but if scott31337 is mafia, Tictock's play looks far more suspicious. Here's the vote count before Tictock's vote switch: On August 31 2016 05:58 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Vote Count #7
Votes: - Rels (4) -
Palmar, Vivax, scott31337, disformation, Koshi, Tictock, Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood
- Trfel (0) -
disformation
- disformation (0) -
Holyflare, Koshi, geript
- Tumblewood (2) -
Koshi, Koshi, Holyflare, scott31337, Tictock, Palmar, disformation, disformation, Trfel
- Koshi (0) -
DanelerH
- geript (1) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
- TicTock (0) -
Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) -
disformation, Race Bannon
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Not voting: - Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched. Tictock's vote was really important in sealing the lynch as Rels, instead of scott31337. He could maybe have predicted Palmar switching votes to Rels, but relying on other people to switch would be a huge risk. So if scott31337 flips mafia, Tictock looks a lot worse. Even if scott31337 flips town, his End of Day makes me a bit suspicious about him. 1:You realise what you've quoted here is trfel putting in unnecessary words to what I already said? You said you didn't want to switch, you looked like you didn't want to switch and then you switched. Trfel explains what I did in 3 quotes but with 4 long paragraphs instead. You then go on to further say that me not doing anything with the vca is bad but also say that me accusing you because of the vca is bad. Congratulations. Are you going to cherry pick more of my posts or actually admit that I'm town now? I'm only on a phone at work for 90% of my game playing time so quoting a lot is already an unnecessary hassle but you're welcome to ask me questions instead of shit flinging and I will personally take my time elaborating everything that I thought at the time of each post/moment in the game. 2: If you're unclear about scott it's because he looked happy day 1 but then when I returned to the thread that's all I had in my mind, vivax's case wasn't so convincing over my happiness read. End of day 1 I only had an hour or less to read over and convince myself about tumble being really mafia or if I wanted to switch. Rels allowed me to and I love a good shenanigan for information and tumble was yelling and looked vaguely townie whereas rels just posted responses and no original thought really. Scott did absolutely nothing and yet actually WAS around at the deadline and then vanished which always emotionally makes me think that person is mafia. From a purely vca standpoint he looked mafka and trfel's case i read that and somewhat agreed with it at some point around then iirc.
His play so far probably makes him mafia and there's no spreadsheet still so almost definitely. Unless you're trying to dispute this point in which case I will yell at you for tmi and kill you today. 
Any more inconsistencies you want explained good sir? I like nipping things in the bud so you can't perpetually fling shit at me later. 1: No, you threw around a couple of throwaway opinions like "he said things that bugged me" while Trfel showed some evidence and tried to put thought into mindset and comes to the obv conclusion that my vote switch only makes sense if I'm mafia with scott. 2: So why haven't you pushed Scott at all today?
Actually no, not only did I find your inconsistencies the worst and analyse them to be mafia but I also made the connections between you ans scott before trfel did too:
On August 31 2016 06:23 Holyflare wrote:
I just can't wrap my head around why Scott would be here but not vote to save himself unless he's with the last two but that's super duper associative and bad buttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So really trfl elongated my couple of lines which was unnecessary.
Also with regards to scott, it's impossible to push someone that is NEVER here, and when he was actually here i displayed his most damning inconsistency to the thread.
Here's where we're at:
I called out Scott's bs spreadsheet, yet he hasn't posted it. I'd know there's no spreadsheet if we're mafia together, he'd post a spreadsheet as town because why would he be lying so really I've actually proven scott is mafia unnecessarily if we're team mates. Did you forget this point when you were trying to slander mt scott pushing?
Quite simply I'm pushing palmar because I've written a lot about him and it's alll feels mixed with bs play. I'm very likely to die tonight since I have actually posted analysis and i don't trust people to not kill him, he'll just start playing after I'm dead conveniently and win.
Also mafia needs mislynches, townies are happy to have town reads, mafia keeps options open and throws shit around, town is decisive. Tumblewood is keeping all options open in this case. Mafia like pushing my filters because my filters are always low content spam posts that enable people to delve deeper, that's my style. I flesh it out with cases eventually which I have been doing. There's nothing to hide.
Koshi's quotes also make me want to vote tumble.
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We never got much follow-through from Scott's spreadsheet stuff earlier, and giving up in this position is totally the opposite of the attitude Scott had D1 + Show Spoiler +. However it does fit a scum!scott agenda to lay low in a good position and try to bring down town's mood.
Personally I'd really like to lynch HF because I know by posting this I am in for a storm.
Scott is probably the safer bet though.
##Vote: Holyflare
Ahahahahahahahahahahaah
Please someone tell him. This guy is 100% just picking posts and writing a narrative and not reading the thread.
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Also somehow I'm mafia with tumble and bussed him hard :D :D :D
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I'll be real with you palmar I'm not 100% sure you're mafia, I'm somewhat in the actual same boat as geript in that your play is bad and rifled with not actually doing anything but am not actually sure if you are mafia despite saying it. You're normally quite good at reading me and I don't think this is how you'd act at all if you thought I was mafia.
Call it an exacerbated pressure push and who cares if that's scummy, I hate when you do nothing and I don't think you'd miss what I've been saying all the time.
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Why did you only start doing things for real after the flip?
Why did your shennies target Rels?
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Like sure, you posted something on TW that I may have ignored, but that's besides the point, no matter how you look at it, your day 1 wasn't all that much, you had no control over the thread.
Even then what really sticks out to me is the drastic increase in cares after the flip, when it should've almost been the opposite.
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On September 03 2016 00:37 Palmar wrote:
Why did you only start doing things for real after the flip?
Why did your shennies target Rels?
Because I'm out at work from 6 to 7 every day and despite what you say that isn't true. I'm only posting at work recently because i have a doctor note saying i can't type so doing admin
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On September 02 2016 23:56 Tictock wrote:
Can you explain what is looking worse in Trfel's posts?
1) During EoN he attacks my scott read while ignoring my much more indept Vivax case. I don't understand why he would discredit me by "discussing" my gutread on scott over my well worked out case on Vivax.
That was the first red flag.
2) During D2 he hasn't done much but he did this:
On September 01 2016 17:06 Trfel wrote:
Well, I have to wake up in three hours, so that's it for me. I tried to do some lazy POE stuff but it didn't end up with anything eye-opening.
In short, I really like DanelerH because in addition to his play feeling honest and open (example that he said he didn't think we could play at night), it doesn't feel like he's playing for survival or for townreads, but rather actually thinking about the game. One example of this is his early scumread on Koshi, another is not caving in to Holyflare's pressure and looking at disformation.
I'm actually not as sure on scott31337 being mafia, his latest series of posts felt more towny due to the emotions. And geript's play has started to feel more and more like I'd expect from him as town; not so much the immediately solving the game part, ut the thought process.
On the other hand, Tumblewood and Tictock feel worse and worse to me. Tumblewood still hasn't done anything really other than that Tictock read, and he hasn't felt very involved at all, or motivated to play the game other than that one burst of activity to survive the lynch. For Tictock, his End of Day seemed really bad, and there was some other stuff which I'm forgetting because I'm too tired, but I dunno. I guess I kind of forgot why I thought he was mafia, I'll have to look at him again later.
Still haven't looked at Palmar at all.... And a bit paranoid of Vivax and maybe maaaaaybe Koshi.
Voting for Tumblewood.
Good night.
The second time he repeats that TW and TT look very bad and could be mafia. He has no opinion on Palmar.
And then his last post:
On September 02 2016 12:58 Trfel wrote:
Palmar feels especially uncaring today. Even worse than before.
If Palmar is town and being mislynched by a Holyflare that he thinks is mafia, I'd expect him to do something about it.
##unvote
##vote Palmar
Koshi, why did you change your read on Vivax to town?
Suddenly he +1s on the Palmar wagon.
3) The reason why I said he looked worse and worse is that he doesn't even read posts anymore. Why would he conclude Vivax was in my townlist? He just saw I put down some names and "assumed" those were all mafia? But why didn't he complain about scott being in there then.... Like... Tfrel started strong but his last posts are 100% garbage.
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Also because i felt bad for lynching him so upped my effort and the tt inconsistencies drove me on like a puzzle wanting to be solved.
When have I ever been lazy after a lynch?
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On September 03 2016 00:43 Holyflare wrote:
Also because i felt bad for lynching him so upped my effort and the tt inconsistencies drove me on like a puzzle wanting to be solved.
When have I ever been lazy after a lynch?
I don't remember that precise meta, but it's not a meta thing.
It's just a normal "it makes sense for townies to care during later part of the day and care less during the night" kind of thing. I actually do remember arguing with you for an entire n1 before so who knows.
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On September 03 2016 00:42 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 00:37 Palmar wrote:
Why did you only start doing things for real after the flip?
Why did your shennies target Rels? Because I'm out at work from 6 to 7 every day and despite what you say that isn't true. I'm only posting at work recently because i have a doctor note saying i can't type so doing admin
The 2nd question. Why Rels?
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On September 03 2016 00:45 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 00:43 Holyflare wrote:
Also because i felt bad for lynching him so upped my effort and the tt inconsistencies drove me on like a puzzle wanting to be solved.
When have I ever been lazy after a lynch? I don't remember that precise meta, but it's not a meta thing. It's just a normal "it makes sense for townies to care during later part of the day and care less during the night" kind of thing. I actually do remember arguing with you for an entire n1 before so who knows.
I disagree. Mafia tends to fuck off during the night as well. Night is Night.
Massive effort during the night is a lot of the times town driven.
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Like if it isn't blatantly obvious to everyone in the game, my day 1 push on Rels was only like 10% real and 90% just to do shit to get the game started.
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On September 03 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 00:45 Palmar wrote:On September 03 2016 00:43 Holyflare wrote:
Also because i felt bad for lynching him so upped my effort and the tt inconsistencies drove me on like a puzzle wanting to be solved.
When have I ever been lazy after a lynch? I don't remember that precise meta, but it's not a meta thing. It's just a normal "it makes sense for townies to care during later part of the day and care less during the night" kind of thing. I actually do remember arguing with you for an entire n1 before so who knows. I disagree. Mafia tends to fuck off during the night as well. Night is Night. Massive effort during the night is a lot of the times town driven.
Yes, sure.
What I'm saying is that normally town effort is like:
early day: 70% - late day: 100% - night 90%
while mafia is more like
early day: 60% - late day: 800% - night 30%
Of course super simplified, but you get the point and I pose that HF had something of an anomaly in both ways
early day: 50% - late day: 60% - night 100%
Which is just weird. I know it isn't even normal mafia. It just feels wrong. Why did he go ham on me after a flip? Why was his first argument for calling me mafia a vote in which I joined a wagon created by him, and even explained why I did so?
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On September 03 2016 00:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:On September 03 2016 00:45 Palmar wrote:On September 03 2016 00:43 Holyflare wrote:
Also because i felt bad for lynching him so upped my effort and the tt inconsistencies drove me on like a puzzle wanting to be solved.
When have I ever been lazy after a lynch? I don't remember that precise meta, but it's not a meta thing. It's just a normal "it makes sense for townies to care during later part of the day and care less during the night" kind of thing. I actually do remember arguing with you for an entire n1 before so who knows. I disagree. Mafia tends to fuck off during the night as well. Night is Night. Massive effort during the night is a lot of the times town driven. Yes, sure. What I'm saying is that normally town effort is like: early day: 70% - late day: 100% - night 90% while mafia is more like early day: 60% - late day: 800% - night 30% Of course super simplified, but you get the point and I pose that HF had something of an anomaly in both ways early day: 50% - late day: 60% - night 100% Which is just weird. I know it isn't even normal mafia. It just feels wrong. Why did he go ham on me after a flip? Why was his first argument for calling me mafia a vote in which I joined a wagon created by him, and even explained why I did so?
Cuz you pissed him off calling him mafia while you called me town for something he also did.
And you can't blame him for Rels because TW went for the emotion play and Rels made people angry so we swapped. I blame Rels for Rels.
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Day 2: Vote Count #2
Votes:
- Vivax (2) -
scott31337, scott31337, geript
- Tumblewood (1) -
Trfel, Koshi
- Palmar (4) -
Koshi, Vivax, Holyflare, DanelerH, Trfel
- scott31337 (0) -
Vivax
- TicTock(1) - Tumblewood
- Holyflare (1) - Palmar
Not voting (1) - TicTock
Currently, Palmar is the lynch.
Remember, voting is mandatory. Please vote in the voting thread. If the vote count is not accurate or contains errors, please PM a host.
Day 2 will end in .
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On September 03 2016 00:51 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 00:49 Palmar wrote:On September 03 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:On September 03 2016 00:45 Palmar wrote:On September 03 2016 00:43 Holyflare wrote:
Also because i felt bad for lynching him so upped my effort and the tt inconsistencies drove me on like a puzzle wanting to be solved.
When have I ever been lazy after a lynch? I don't remember that precise meta, but it's not a meta thing. It's just a normal "it makes sense for townies to care during later part of the day and care less during the night" kind of thing. I actually do remember arguing with you for an entire n1 before so who knows. I disagree. Mafia tends to fuck off during the night as well. Night is Night. Massive effort during the night is a lot of the times town driven. Yes, sure. What I'm saying is that normally town effort is like: early day: 70% - late day: 100% - night 90% while mafia is more like early day: 60% - late day: 800% - night 30% Of course super simplified, but you get the point and I pose that HF had something of an anomaly in both ways early day: 50% - late day: 60% - night 100% Which is just weird. I know it isn't even normal mafia. It just feels wrong. Why did he go ham on me after a flip? Why was his first argument for calling me mafia a vote in which I joined a wagon created by him, and even explained why I did so? Cuz you pissed him off calling him mafia while you called me town for something he also did. And you can't blame him for Rels because TW went for the emotion play and Rels made people angry so we swapped. I blame Rels for Rels.
I'm not blaming him, per se, I just want to hear him explain why. I voted Rels.
It's not like I started thinking he wasn't doing things AFTER the lynch. He could have tried to lynch me instead right?
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On September 02 2016 07:24 Vivax wrote:TT probs chose to prioritize WoW, geript has a tough job. Tumble and Palmar tho I can see being afk cuz mafia and demoralized by being incessantly pushed. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iiymtlR.gif)
yeah there is no "demotivated" mafia this game with all the blues dead.
Mafia is expecting to win this game, 100%. If they don't, they're bad.
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On September 03 2016 00:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 00:51 Koshi wrote:On September 03 2016 00:49 Palmar wrote:On September 03 2016 00:46 Koshi wrote:On September 03 2016 00:45 Palmar wrote:On September 03 2016 00:43 Holyflare wrote:
Also because i felt bad for lynching him so upped my effort and the tt inconsistencies drove me on like a puzzle wanting to be solved.
When have I ever been lazy after a lynch? I don't remember that precise meta, but it's not a meta thing. It's just a normal "it makes sense for townies to care during later part of the day and care less during the night" kind of thing. I actually do remember arguing with you for an entire n1 before so who knows. I disagree. Mafia tends to fuck off during the night as well. Night is Night. Massive effort during the night is a lot of the times town driven. Yes, sure. What I'm saying is that normally town effort is like: early day: 70% - late day: 100% - night 90% while mafia is more like early day: 60% - late day: 800% - night 30% Of course super simplified, but you get the point and I pose that HF had something of an anomaly in both ways early day: 50% - late day: 60% - night 100% Which is just weird. I know it isn't even normal mafia. It just feels wrong. Why did he go ham on me after a flip? Why was his first argument for calling me mafia a vote in which I joined a wagon created by him, and even explained why I did so? Cuz you pissed him off calling him mafia while you called me town for something he also did. And you can't blame him for Rels because TW went for the emotion play and Rels made people angry so we swapped. I blame Rels for Rels. I'm not blaming him, per se, I just want to hear him explain why. I voted Rels. It's not like I started thinking he wasn't doing things AFTER the lynch. He could have tried to lynch me instead right?
I don't understand what you are going for but sure?
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