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Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

August 30 2016 09:08 GMT

#621

TW is always the superior lynch here.

geript

10024 Posts

August 30 2016 09:15 GMT

#622

I'm extra waffly on TT.

On August 29 2016 08:45 Tictock wrote:

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Hey, that was my plan!

Now I feel like I should come up with something more original... but thankfully I'm pretty lazy.

For now I think I'll add my weight to the Rels train kus a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game. Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them.

Pretty sure Trfel and Dis are both town.

That is all.

## Vote: Rels

So Vivax is posting better than he did as scum, but is maybe scum due to forced posting and possibly agenda. So I'll follow this move I thought was solid and join with town read Palmar to vote for Rels, give my third and fourth town reads for no reason and that is all. The whole thing was really weird on top of the "who's scum for drawing attention whom while someone else is fotm."

But I like his reads pics/posts thing. It feels like he's having fun. I keep wanting to tell myself I'm bad for thinking he's town. But I like most of the posts he jumps off from, I just don't like where he goes with it. Then I look back at the early stuff and call myself bad again.

geript

10024 Posts

August 30 2016 09:17 GMT

#623

I'll look at the last two when I wake up. I really don't know what to think of Palmar. I always screw myself when I try to read him. I'm tired.

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

August 30 2016 09:50 GMT

#624

was skimming a bit through some tw and tt filters in other games.
tw doesn't really look like either his town or scum games imo.
for tt i need to find a recent town game. there are similarities to his scum play in shin megami tensai, but those are rather shallow imo. like his entry does look similar and his lists look similar.

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

August 30 2016 09:57 GMT

#625

Similar opinion to Rels as geript has.
Like Rels joins the first decent wagon he seems and has little original thought, but I like how he responds to questions and how he explains his thoughts. Also points for admitting that his reads aren't original.

So don't really want to lynch him atm.

Will try to look at tt/tw filters this game again after the lunch break.

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

August 30 2016 10:12 GMT

#626

Why tumble is mafia:

1) Worst entrance post of all:

On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that.

2) Random reads that don't achieve anything. Stuff like this never has even a chance to advance the game:

On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe palmar's mafia

On August 29 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:

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nah no thanks

On August 29 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote:

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waitwaitwait hold on
all Koshi does is talk about himself and then quote a post and call me mafia
and we're scumbuddies?
no way

When RB calls us both mafia he goes "nha we are not both mafia". But when HF or myself calls TW mafia he ignores us. This is mafia mindset.

4)

On August 29 2016 10:44 Tumblewood wrote:

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thank you, I was proud of that read

What read? This implies that he reads me town.

5)

On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me

mafia mindset. Lost on what to do.

6)

On August 29 2016 11:45 Tumblewood wrote:

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why is that a townlean

...

OH SHIT
tinfoil here, Scott is scum and intentionally dropping that he he's using a spreadsheet for town cred
or not, maybe

Found something to do. It is terrible. But sure, he has scott mafia now?

7)

On August 29 2016 12:23 Tumblewood wrote:
damn I have these super secret strats but they require me to read filters zzz...
maybe I'll use the super duper secret strat of sheeping someone

random nothingness that will not advance the thread ever.

8)

On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
meh I like scott now

On August 29 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote:
new scott > afk scott
and is also probably town

scott town?

9) I'll add that he made 4 posts about why TT is mafia. (spoiler: TT is 100% town)

10)

On August 30 2016 06:19 Tumblewood wrote:
seriously koshi you are absurdly tunneled. everything I do is scummy to you. you have literally ignored everything in the game that does not reaffirm your case on me. this is worse than I've ever seen you. usually it's at least not till d2 or you have multiple people or you notice that there are other people in the game
this is an intervention

On August 30 2016 06:34 Tumblewood wrote:
wowww did rb really vote koshi in the voting thread? if that doesn't change soon I will be very suspicious of rb. although for now I think this game is different from rb's other two scum games (newbie XX and idk some other game) that looked a lot like luna's town meta. maybe the metamorphosis to spambeast has changed rb's meta a lot though.
back to the koshi vote. if it's semi-serious it's bad

I am town?

11)

On August 30 2016 06:28 Tumblewood wrote:
I have a plan that is completely unrelated to everything else I've said
if you are rels, stop reading here

...

okay maybe this wasn't what I remember, but somewhere in this qt rels had a post (maybe it was this one)

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maybe someone who is good can find this but it would be useful to look at how he planned on defending against his lynch D1 in 72hours. or we can just look at how he actually did it. if he remains afk I'll probably vote him in ~6 hours because how he reacts to pressure will be telling.

What is this even? There is a chance Rels comes in the thread posts things and then is maybe mafia? Good plan. How does this advance scumhunting or advance the thread? It is just fluff that makes it look like TW actually does something when he is not doing anything.

12)

On August 30 2016 06:37 Tumblewood wrote:
strangely I am legit considering koshi as mafia... on the other hand probably omgus

Nope I am mafia. So every post he makes I am town, even pleads to me to stop my tunnel. And then this.

13)

On August 30 2016 09:26 Tumblewood wrote:

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On August 30 2016 07:55 Rels wrote:

On August 29 2016 21:50 Vivax wrote:
Methinks we are all on a wrong track atm. We were until I found enlightenment.

Spoilered road to enlightenment.
+ Show Spoiler +

I thought to myself "why are you wrong so many times on D1 Vivax?Why?".
The answer is that mafia is a hard game, best played after carefully finding out how mafia plays in finished games.
So I went ahead and read a bit of Who needs 72 hours anyway mafia with the Rels Grack and TUmble scum team.

Rels entered the thread with a qt joke and talking about mechanics.
Grack was the most interesting cause I found someone to compare him to in this game.
Tumble was mostly lazily throwing around reads.

So I'll go right ahead and tell you who our D1 lynch is. It's scott.

What I noticed in Grack in the other game was that he tended to attach to a lot of issues simultaneously by posting semi contributive posts that tended to end with questions , then he would jump to other issues the actual townies were talking about without pursuing the previously happened discussion. He would also occasionally post jokish stuff.

So if I had to make a summary of how mafia played:

- no own agenda, just reacting to townies and their topics.
- no committment to what he said.
- liked opportunities to start talking about hogwash.
- + one could go on about finding similarities.

Anyway, let me proceed with formulating how all of this actually makes scott mafia.

THE CASE ON SCOTT

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On August 29 2016 06:08 scott31337 wrote:
Woohoo! Let's do this.

On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote:
Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL.

I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row

Hmmmm- would Trfel be this bold? Or a big bag of WIFOM?

Question that doesn't show any own opinion and is left unattended for the rest of his posts. It was just the hot topic at the time so he drops it to appear invested.

Random reactive question that seems irrelevant even to himself. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:24 scott31337 wrote:

On August 29 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:

Or he is mafia with him!

2 found?

More of what I was thinking

Simply mirrors what Koshi said in his next post. Apparently thinks I'm mafia with Trfel but so far he didn't even spell it out once.

Low committment to his declared opinion. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:26 scott31337 wrote:

On August 29 2016 06:25 Palmar wrote:
1st page analysis suggests Rels is 100% mafia.

Palmar playing on a weekend is extremely suspicious.

Random low seriousness post. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:46 scott31337 wrote:

On August 29 2016 06:33 Palmar wrote:

On August 29 2016 06:30 disformation wrote:

On August 29 2016 06:29 Palmar wrote:
This is not a joke btw. Rels is probably mafia.

please enlighten me.
for instantly disappearing after posting a 2 character post? Is that a meta thing for him?

Ah fantastic.

No, it's absolutely not a meta thing.

You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things.

But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves.

He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia.

So just for fun, I checked Rel's two last games as Mafia that are in the database -http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494436&user=Rels&view=all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=494873&user=Rels&view=all

So one was Palmar's witch game where he comes in and starts talking about game setup crap for an entrance (well can't really do that here)
and the other he starts just talking shit

Rels doesn't enter games with any information, he usually just talks.

This could be a good idea.

Just for fun he checks Rels last two games.

He comes to a completely different conclusion than Palmar. Bolded.
"Wait, Rels actually just talks about unimportant stuff as mafia early".BUT
"Palmar could have a good idea" even though what Palmar is saying is that Rels doesn't talk.

Appeasing and weak opinion that isn't in line with his findings. Check.

On August 29 2016 06:50 scott31337 wrote:

On August 29 2016 06:44 disformation wrote:
Eh, what do you think of Trfel?
Am I going full OMGUS on a town here, cause he is pushing me over nothing, or is he scum pushing me over nothing?

Would actually like some pressure on Rels, so he comes back and actually plays.

He saw how townie you played in the last game, did he build a lot of respect from you of it, because I would think he would find easier targets, you know what I mean?

I have trouble understanding this but I think what scott is saying here is that Trfel would find easier targets as mafia. Anyway this is his chance to get back to talk about Trfel's entrance but he doesn't take it even though he appeared to be interested into it earlier.

Another reactionary post to (what I think) a townie said. Check.

On August 29 2016 07:10 scott31337 wrote:

On August 29 2016 07:07 Race Bannon wrote:
I hope the host provided the scumteam with the VT flavor, or this will be a concise town victory.

This post doesn't make any sense. It's in the OP.

Did you roll mafia again?

Not "This post doesn't make any sense, you are mafia!", but "are you mafia again?". Hiding behind questions to not have to do anything even with a good reason to. Check.

On August 29 2016 07:40 scott31337 wrote:

On August 29 2016 07:38 Holyflare wrote:
##vote disformation

Looks like you're not my buddy this game... How sad

His buddy? How is HF even supposed to be his buddy. Scott doesn't have an own agenda HF could support. Check.

On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:

On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me

Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody.

Could you tell me more?

Random question.

On August 29 2016 11:14 scott31337 wrote:
DanelerH Where are you located in the world if you don't mind me asking? Or more or less, what time zone?

Useless question.

On August 29 2016 11:26 scott31337 wrote:
Awesome, I'm Pacific, and see a lot of the EU posts when I wake up - so wanted to know where you stood - more than half our players are from Europe/Iceland.

COol, now he's talking about our timezones. He apparently thinks that knowing Danielers timezone he can get information about his alignment?

On August 29 2016 11:33 scott31337 wrote:
Do you have anything else to add? What do you think of Race Bannon's posts?

Random questions.

On August 29 2016 11:58 scott31337 wrote:

On August 29 2016 06:47 disformation wrote:
Yes Vivax much town. wow.

Maybe the others have a point - you have a town on Vivax and a scumread on Rels - anything else?

Random questions.

Back to the earlier posts, don't you think he should have me and Trfel as scummy? Do you see anything of the sort in his later posts? Nope .

Rest of his filter is short enough that you can go through it by yourself, but scott is mafiAAAAAAAA and we have to lynch him. Pls help me lynch him town

This is a really good case

ty for getting me to actually read it. it is a pretty good case

Remember how scott was town for TW?

14)

On August 30 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:
town
vivax
daneler

also probably town
hf

scummy
tt
scott?

null/don't care yet
most people

Nope he conveniently became mafia.

Lynch Tumblewood. Lynch mafia.

Palmar

Iceland22630 Posts

August 30 2016 10:54 GMT

#627

Voting Tumblewood

Partly because I admire the fact Koshi wrote a case that looks good and I want to support a good effort.
Mostly though because he put me in "null/I don't care" category.

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

August 30 2016 11:23 GMT

#628

@Koshi: why do you say TT is 100% town? cause TW is pushing TT and you think TW is 100% scum?

Koshi

Belgium38797 Posts

August 30 2016 11:27 GMT

#629

On August 30 2016 20:23 disformation wrote:
@Koshi: why do you say TT is 100% town? cause TW is pushing TT and you think TW is 100% scum?

That and this TT is mafia because he is nice is the dumbest thing I ever read.

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

August 30 2016 11:36 GMT

#630

On August 30 2016 20:27 Koshi wrote:

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That and this TT is mafia because he is nice is the dumbest thing I ever read.

fair enough.
Also: I was skimming the QT tw mentioned in your 11) and fund jack.

gonna vote tw

Vivax

21679 Posts

August 30 2016 11:58 GMT

#631

I like TT better now his later posts are pleasant to read which is nice so I can stop being salty. I still think he can be mafia but for now I have a reason not to further talk about him.

I'm trying to meta TW now but I feel like I have a hard time doing it based on content. Only apparent thing so far is that as mafia he would come in every 3-4 hours on average and shoot a salvo of 4-5 posts.

He feels much more present this game so idk. I am tempted to just not have a read on him, watch town mislynch on D1 (that'd be my best case cause then I wouldn't be the guy who was wrong + schadenfreude) and just be the baller who was on scott all along.

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

August 30 2016 12:01 GMT

#632

On August 30 2016 20:58 Vivax wrote:
I like TT better now his later posts are pleasant to read which is nice so I can stop being salty. I still think he can be mafia but for now I have a reason not to further talk about him.

I'm trying to meta TW now but I feel like I have a hard time doing it based on content. Only apparent thing so far is that as mafia he would come in every 3-4 hours on average and shoot a salvo of 4-5 posts.

He feels much more present this game so idk. I am tempted to just not have a read on him, watch town mislynch on D1 (that'd be my best case cause then I wouldn't be the guy who was wrong + schadenfreude) and just be the baller who was on scott all along.

I think that this is the scummiest thing to be posted as of yet this game.

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

August 30 2016 12:05 GMT

#633

voting vivax. will maybe write a case later.

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

August 30 2016 12:15 GMT

#634

ppl explaining their town reads on vivax might be cool.

Vivax

21679 Posts

August 30 2016 12:18 GMT

#635

On August 30 2016 21:15 disformation wrote:
ppl explaining their town reads on vivax might be cool.

I townread him cause he's really invested in the game.

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

August 30 2016 12:21 GMT

#636

On August 30 2016 21:18 Vivax wrote:

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I townread him cause he's really invested in the game.

that doesnt make anyone town.

Vivax

21679 Posts

August 30 2016 12:23 GMT

#637

On August 29 2016 16:02 Trfel wrote:
Bleh, you're right. Okay, so why do you think that Vivax is town then?

On August 29 2016 16:03 disformation wrote:

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his case on Rels made me laugh.

On August 29 2016 16:05 Trfel wrote:

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But you posted that Vivax is town before he posted his case on Rels?

On August 29 2016 16:08 disformation wrote:

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yes, cause I liked his early posts.
now I am still thinking he is town for having made me laugh

Currently doing a reread. Disfo I will laugh if Trfel caught you here, but I'll worry about it after scott died.

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

August 30 2016 12:25 GMT

#638

On August 30 2016 21:23 Vivax wrote:

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Currently doing a reread. Disfo I will laugh if Trfel caught you here, but I'll worry about it after scott died.

I love how you are trying to discredit me before I even posted a case. afraid?

disformation

Germany8352 Posts

August 30 2016 12:27 GMT

#639

also: you think trfel is town now or what? cause like with most ppl beside scott I have 0 idea what your current reads are.

Palmar

Iceland22630 Posts

August 30 2016 12:27 GMT

#640

TT is probably town.

And Vivax should probably not be lynched almost solely the fact that he's actually playing the game, which he tends to avoid as mafia. But that's a shitty meta logic so don't count too much on it.

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