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On August 30 2016 16:13 Trfel wrote:
Okay Rels, one more question. You said that you want to lynch one of four people, and then voted for scott31337. Why did you choose scott31337, and how much do you care about lynching him versus the other people on the list?
I think he's the more likely scum. Nothing in his filter makes town. In comparison, Tumble had a few good posts, tt had alright posts all along but he sounds like scum. So it's him or geript, and I prefer him.
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Alright I'm leaving Paris, as said I will be driving all day so see you later!
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On August 30 2016 16:30 Rels wrote:
Alright I'm leaving Paris, as said I will be driving all day so see you later! Have a good day, thanks for answering my questions.
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Damn. Just missed Rels.
Well... @Trfel: you are asking a lot of questions, were you able to reach some conclusions from the answers etc?
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On August 30 2016 06:49 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Vote Count #3Votes: - Rels (2) -
Palmar, Vivax, scott31337, disformation, Koshi, Tictock
- Trfel (0) -
disformation
- disformation (1) -
Holyflare, Koshi, geript
- Tumblewood (2) -
Koshi, Koshi, Holyflare
- Koshi (0) -
DanelerH
- geript (2) - Palmar,
disformation, DanelerH
- scott31337 (1) - Vivax
- TicTock (1) - Tumblewood
Not voting (4) - Race Bannon, Rels, Trfel, disformation
I'm sure there's at least 1 mafia in the 4 not voting and pretty sure there's exactly one in the not voting section. The other scum can be anywhere which is pretty worthless.
Rels doesn't strike me in any particular way. I disliked on point he had on TW posting whatever coming to his mind = scum, but it's not damning in any way. He kinda touches on all the hot button topics but there's kinda nothing to love about anything he says. I kinda think he's town though for how he responds to HF re: disinformation. It's constructive without being argumentative.
Trfel I've gotten the sense that he's on an island; he could be scum with I actives/newbies From what I recall he posts a bit less and more concentrated as scum; plus, he makes at least 1 god awful post that gets him attention. That's not here, but I'm really bugged by the fact that almost every post is asking someone else what their opinion is. I feel ok thinking he's just floundering and not scum but not more.
Race has basically done nothing (ignoring the pm shit). On August 29 2016 20:01 Race Bannon wrote:
Anyway, @Koshi does it n any way influence your read of Tumblewood that he told DanelerH not to put too much weight on contribution .. when you yourself made an aegument that geript's posts were more likely to come from town because of their volume?
I really hate this quote because it's a question that can't go anywhere. His posts look far more like someone trying to play a game within a game which, excluding Slam, isn't towns especially since he really has no actual thought in the game. If this were Slam's filter, I'd lynch him in a heartbeat because Slam has nuggets of ideas sprinkled in his overblown filter. Plus there's the TW, Koshi scum team. In filter context, maybe he was joking, but it's an exceptionally weird association to have at that point in the game. It just feels like he doesn't care to think about the game at all; I just can't see how he could be town.
Disinformation... The funny thing about him is that I really like this post On August 29 2016 20:57 disformation wrote:
The more I look at geripts post the more inorganic and constructed I think it is. Might also be written in this hard to follow/read way to look like work has been done and making ppl less likely to want to read it.
like there comes a point when you keep staring at and thinking about something so much that everything just gets twisted and biased. He just entirely feels like whatever he's currently looking at gets him confirmation biased about.
I felt pretty confident about Vivax, Koshi and HF; HF I think could convince me to vote for myself this game and I would. I'll look at the rest in a bit.
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Expanding on disinformation. Like there's a bunch of reasons to dislike his filter, flip flopping, going with the current, etc. it just feels really natural, especially his progression on my post.
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On August 30 2016 16:44 disformation wrote:
Damn. Just missed Rels.
Well... @Trfel: you are asking a lot of questions, were you able to reach some conclusions from the answers etc? I think I'm wanting to lynch scott31337. I think that Tictock has been providing a sensible approach to the game and some original thought, and that's enough to override my stupid meta read anyway, because I'm bad at meta when it's not about Palmar.
My reasons to think that scott31337 were town basically came down to that I wouldn't think he would want to play the game if he was mafia. But that's pretty dumb. Looking at his play with that aside, he looks like mafia  I'll explain more in the near future.
I still kind of want to lynch Tumblewood, but he's really carefree, and that's giving me a bit of doubt. I did a brief meta check on the 72 hours game, and he seemed less carefree and more intentional (he was mafia in that game). And his meta read on Tictock is actually a decent read. For the moment, I think I prefer scott31337.
Still working on you and geript, but I don't really think I want to lynch either of you?
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well earlier I was thinking geript was simply a bit underwhelming. last time I played with geript he got the entire scum team D1 and didn't need hard to read/follow/inconclusive wall posts to do so.
but I actually like his post just now. So I don't want to lynch him today.
dunno for some reason I really like bringing up the votes even before the final vc. (I have a hard on for vca in general).
also agree with geript on trfel. like asking questions is not bad and I dont think most of his questions are awful. but he has asked a lot and i have not seen much conclusion.
will try to talk about vivi and scott in a bit.
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Geript, if you're still around, I'd really like to know why you are townreading Tictock.
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some scum reads and a opinion on scott and tt vs tw would be nice @ geript
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Okay, so not sure what geript's up to, but I'm going to bed. I'm not sure about geript, but I'll look at him more tomorrow.
I want to lynch scott31337. He's been decently active, present, and conversational, but his reads don't go anywhere, it doesn't seem like he's been solving the game. This has been said before, I'll try to state it in a simple and clear way.
He started by checking meta on Rels and comparing that to his opening in this game, and voted for Rels. Then he said that Race Bannon could be mafia for his post about PMs. Then he said that "maybe the others have a point" about disformation not having many reads, implying that he's getting a bit suspicious of disformation. Then he says that Palmar's townread on Race Bannon makes sense, but Race Bannon is still in his mafia pool. Then he says he's down for lynching Tumblewood as well.
Then he votes for Tumblewood, with no explanation.
And he still hasn't even said why he thinks Tumblewood is scum. Scott31337 has zero continuity to his reads at all. It doesn't look like he's actually trying to figure out the best lynch but rather saying whatever sounds towny in that instant.
##vote scott31337
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still a bit flabbergasted by scott actually playing and I would feel bad for lynching him d1 regardless. just because i am too nice. xD
that being said, Vivax is right, besides a cheeky/towny tone scott hasnt actually much in his filter.
what I dislike is that vivax opens his case with the grack bit. Like why does he need the feel to look through gracks stuff to come to the conclusions that:
- no own agenda, just reacting to townies and their topics.
- no committment to what he said.
- liked opportunities to start talking about hogwash.
He could easily have made these points without going to grack.
furthermore: the last time I saw the method of: "I'll look at a successful scummer and apply things he did to base/form a scumread on that" it was used by scum on town (scum!NM in NSM18).
And by saying that I am using the same technique on Vivax, that vivax is using on scott.
So can scott be scum? absolutely. i am just not feeling very strong about this due to the fact that vivax method of scum hunting is somewhat suspicious to me. I also dont like how vivax refuses to do anything else and does the guilt tripping/emotion thing to tt.
that being said, vivi prolly town and I am just not really a fan of his playstyle.
can vote scott, if I dont manage to come up with something I feel more confident about.
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I'm going to say this to everyone once. Asking questions of me will be useless this game. I will address what I want to. I'll try to be around at deadline but it's unlikely to happen given my schedule. I'm going to talk about what I want to/feel I need to when I have time to. If you don't like it, then you can lynch me.
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On August 30 2016 17:17 Trfel wrote:
Okay, so not sure what geript's up to, but I'm going to bed. I'm not sure about geript, but I'll look at him more tomorrow.
I want to lynch scott31337. He's been decently active, present, and conversational, but his reads don't go anywhere, it doesn't seem like he's been solving the game. This has been said before, I'll try to state it in a simple and clear way.
He started by checking meta on Rels and comparing that to his opening in this game, and voted for Rels. Then he said that Race Bannon could be mafia for his post about PMs. Then he said that "maybe the others have a point" about disformation not having many reads, implying that he's getting a bit suspicious of disformation. Then he says that Palmar's townread on Race Bannon makes sense, but Race Bannon is still in his mafia pool. Then he says he's down for lynching Tumblewood as well.
Then he votes for Tumblewood, with no explanation.
And he still hasn't even said why he thinks Tumblewood is scum. Scott31337 has zero continuity to his reads at all. It doesn't look like he's actually trying to figure out the best lynch but rather saying whatever sounds towny in that instant.
##vote scott31337
See in comparison I like this case much more. simply because it is much easier to read, doesnt have the weird grack opening and is overall very concise.
I also did actually miss that scott votes TW without any explanation.
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Dane's kinda an odd duck. Everything is black and white as if he types sitting in proper posture. He just doesn't look comfy; being new, I'm guessing, it's a bit understandable. It's very odd to me that his opinions are so polarized while not coming across as confident. Idk about him, but I think he's the best fall back option available. We're not likely to get any better info or post on him, so just lynch him if there's not a better target.
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Fucking damnit I don't think scott is mafia but he could easily be mafia.
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Reading his filter and for me it is a pile of null with possible town moments. There is no way somebody like Vivax actually believes so hard that he is mafia based on meta of ANOTHER player.
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On August 29 2016 10:20 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 10:10 DanelerH wrote:I don't know if this is how xe normally plays, but I am currently suspicious of Koshi. Out of 27 posts so far, 16 of them were irrelevant and uncontributive. Out of the 11 that are a bit more contributive, two of them are cause for immediate suspicion: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that. Or he is mafia with him! 2 found? On August 29 2016 07:02 Koshi wrote:
If anybody is interested. I don't think Tfrel has the balls to come out and claim scum. He was superscared last game as mafia. I would be VERY surprised if he turned that around so fast.
Almost 100% lock town tbh. Five of them are voting for Tumblewood without adding anything: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 07:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote:
gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship
doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it.
vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that. This guy is mafia. On August 29 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote:
Tumblewood/Rels
prime suspects. On August 29 2016 07:15 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 07:14 Trfel wrote:
Wait, Koshi, I thought that you were joking about Tumblewood being mafia?
Assuming that you are actually suspicious of him, why? I don't like the read. Seems forced. Face value read. On August 29 2016 07:17 Koshi wrote:
Maybe that isn't the best explanation but you just gotta believe. On August 29 2016 07:20 Koshi wrote:
Ohh I know it:
He makes a really forced read on Tfrel and then adds "oh and Vivax is town" to get away with the forced read and get some extra cred. After xyr first vote, xe almost immediately switches to someone else, then back to the first vote: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 07:52 Koshi wrote:
Going to vote Tumblewood. If he is mafia I am confirmed greatest player alive.
##unvote
##vote Tumblewood On August 29 2016 07:59 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote disformation
Goddamn. I had spidersenses going off on one of those posts as well but ignored them. But I like that read even more than mine. On August 29 2016 08:02 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##Tumblewood
I am going to stick with my own read. Maybe I like it a bit more after all. Even though that were some superpoor reads from disfo. Tell me more why those two posts cause for immediate suspicion. + Show Spoiler +I had a rough thought that the two could be mafia as well, so I wasn't so off on that second post from Koshi
Scott doubts the Koshi is mafia read from Danel because he had the exact same thought as I had. This shows he in his mind believes he is town and then uses this information to call me town for thinking the same. Town mindset.
On August 29 2016 11:01 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote:
wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me Umm, I think the game has been going decently well. Every body has posted at least once, and I started my spreadsheet and have notes for everybody. Could you tell me more?
Positive mindset and is following the game closely.
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On August 30 2016 17:17 Trfel wrote:
He started by checking meta on Rels and comparing that to his opening in this game, and voted for Rels. Then he said that Race Bannon could be mafia for his post about PMs. Then he said that "maybe the others have a point" about disformation not having many reads, implying that he's getting a bit suspicious of disformation. Then he says that Palmar's townread on Race Bannon makes sense, but Race Bannon is still in his mafia pool. Then he says he's down for lynching Tumblewood as well.
Then he votes for Tumblewood, with no explanation.
##vote scott31337
What in all this makes him mafia over town playing the game?
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