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I have depression and I've always considered it but I just dont understand what the benefit of it is, or rather, the methodology by which the benefit is produced?
Like, do you just talk to someone else? Is it just catharsis? Do they just prescribe you medication?
I really don't have any interest in talking about it because talking about it just means thinking about it and thinking about it sucks, I have friends to talk with for catharsis, and I really dont have any interest in receiving medication.
It just gets old sometimes, I dunno whether I should blame depression or my career path, but fuck life is just a constant disappointment and grind sometimes. At least it can feel that way.
I've found that I can improve my mental state with exercise and dietary improvements to generally improve my physical health but its just so fucking hard to keep up with at this damn school because its just work work work work work non stop all the god damned time.
Maybe I'm just lonely? I see people when I go to class but a lot of the time their voices and mannerisms give me migraines (like when they laugh loudly and seemingly out of nowhere and I just feel the back of my fucking eyeballs pulse) and for the most part thats all I see of people. To a certain extent I prefer it that way because to be frank I just really don't enjoy most people in my department, and inter departmental relations are often minimal.
Shit, I dunno, lifes not THAT bad, and I always realize it could be worse, but like shit, it gets tiring and it just NEVER stops.
Got Thanksgiving break? You mean Thanksgiving WORK! Tired from a long day of studio, time for a nap, oh, wait, sorry, you have to work 'til ~2-3am to get your project finished for tomorrow.
I hate the notion that I'm supposed to just love every ounce of every second of this.
Art is work, art may often be enjoyable and fun, but its still non stop never ending work.
Blegh.
So whats the deal with therapy
 
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Dunno, didn't work for me. I had to actually solve my problems to get over a lifelong depression. I think if you learn about shifting your focus to different things when you think and learn a different, empowering way to speak to yourself it might do a lot for you, but psychotherapists don't really teach that so I dunno. I think it's a job that's supposed to be done by very smart and knowledgeable people but in reality you will find a person that has no idea what he/she's doing and will end up doing more harm than good.
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Won"t work until your willing to. But if life is a big bucket of fuck this shit for you now, what do you have to lose?
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On November 21 2015 13:36 Zambrah wrote:
I've found that I can improve my mental state with exercise and dietary improvements to generally improve my physical health but its just so fucking hard to keep up with at this damn school because its just work work work work work non stop all the god damned time.
if you hate what u r taking in school u need to do something about it
if u do not find at least 20% of your course work to be rewarding/interesting/fulfilling then you need to change programs or consider something else.
a lot of people i knew in university didn't belong because their personalities were not suited to a white collar career. the pinko-socialist high school teachers act like a university education somehow makes you a better human being because , of course , that is what they did. don't believe it....its bullshit.
you always have to keep up with a solid diet ( i recommend precisionnutrition.com ) and basic exercise plan ( i recommend stronglifts 5X5) no matter what man. always...
in addition to a proper diet and solid exercise plan ( i recommend stronglifts 5X5 ).... guided relaxation techniques are helpful as well.... i recommend Eli Bay's relaxation methods.
PrecisionNutrition.com, StrongLifts 5X5, and Eli Bay's stuff are a lot of work. this work is an investment in yourself. The implication is ... you are worth the effort ... and therefore your self esteem will rise.
nail down the basic things in your life like diet and exercise and relaxation... if you do not experience substantial improvement then consider spending big money on a therapist.
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I think the goal of sessions with a therapist is to pinpoint some psychological issue that is troubling you and affecting your life. It can be something that is not conscious, which is hard.
I personally think it's all fancy crap for fools but then again, I never had severe trauma as a child so you can give it a try.
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Honestly, I don't see much benefit in talking with a shrink either - I did that for a limited time and my wife for like ten years. On the other hand, there are two things to consider:
1. it really does wonder for some people. I don't really get how it works, but I find it rather easy to tell from talking with someone whether they are the kind who would use verbal therapy or not.
2. the pills can be pretty good and you won't get them without the chitchat.
That having said, I wonder if you wouldn't just use a change of focus in your life, perhaps to something that requires less work and dedication? I would also not take all this food and excercise talk too seriously, that's just a hip thing now and if you are breaking down because of too much work, forcing yourself to invest more work into mundane daily things doesn't seem like a good solution.
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ppl tend to confuse talking therapy with general depression therapy. The former is just one kind of therapy or a part of a treatment plan. Depending on your needs (or what you are open for) there are several different therapies that can often be combined. The tough task is to find out what works for you. Any good psychotherapist should start there and always be open to refer you to psychiatrist or a specialized institution (don't think psychiatry, rather recreational centres or day clinics).
Universities usually have rather good treatment facilities for depression where many specialists work together. There you can get everything from talking therapy to meds, from group sessions to occupational therapy.
edit: lots of mobile keyboard typos
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The deal with therapy is, you have someone to talk to, that is bound by law to keep all your secrets, who does not know you and who probably doesn't even care. This is very freeing. Also, he then will analyse what you say, and give you a neutral perspective, something your friends and family can't. With enough therapy, and once you understand you can be completely honest in that environment, you can start and be more honest with yourself. If you study your therapist, you can learn how to take an analytical approach to your life and it's problems.
This I feel, covers half of a happier life and a strong spirit. Everything that analysing your decisions can't give you; opening up your emotional side, you can achieve by meditation.
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pretend life is a giant message board and you are getting tired of always shit posting. And then pretend baller sits down with you now and then and helps you not be such a shit poster all the time.
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Are you subtle-y trying to tell me to post more on TL
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sure man. rekking internet nubs can be therapeutic.
what kind of projects you working on.
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I have a Creature Design class, a Storyboarding class, a class on horror movies, a class on "contemporary narratives", and an Independent Study Course working on a project for the Blizzard Student Art Contest
None of the three are going particularly well anymore. :D
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If you really do have depression, then you really should be seeing a therapist to help you deal with it. I know you probably think it won't do anything, and a single session, or just a handful of sessions probably won't make any noticeable difference. But in time you will definitely notice a difference.
It will not solve your problem. Not even close. But it will help you deal with it.
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Never been to a therapist. From what people tell me, their experiences vary from therapist to therapist. So not all techniques are the same, not all therapists are going to suit all people. I think what's the deal with therapy is really hard to pin down. Some people genuinely just want someone they can spill the beans to confidentially, and they're willing to pay a lot of money for it. I imagine for people who can't talk to anyone about anything, that's really liberating for them, and gives them the sense that they've finally gotten to tell the whole story without fear of judgment or consequence to their normal life.
If you have people you can talk with openly already, might really be as useless as you think it is. Dunno, since I've never been.
I think you've pretty much sussed out the problem, when you talk about loneliness. There's no one who likes being around people they don't get along with. For people who like being alone, it's still pretty hard to actually be alone. Some of that has to do with not being forgiving enough of other people, some of it is just your personality not gelling with the people you're usually in contact with. It is really amazing how devastating it is on the human psyche when we don't interact enough with people we like. But if you understand this, an important part of the cure is to make the effort to put yourself in situations where you WILL meet people you like. Since you're in school, you have a great opportunity to just try joining some clubs. There's plenty of nerdy ones. It's one thing I really regret not trying when I was in school, so do it for me and report back 
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I was the leader of the Dungeons and Dragons club last year and to be frank noone shows interest in clubs around here that aren't religious/ethnic clubs :/
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On November 21 2015 13:52 aTnClouD wrote:
Dunno, didn't work for me. I had to actually solve my problems to get over a lifelong depression. I think if you learn about shifting your focus to different things when you think and learn a different, empowering way to speak to yourself it might do a lot for you, but psychotherapists don't really teach that so I dunno. I think it's a job that's supposed to be done by very smart and knowledgeable people but in reality you will find a person that has no idea what he/she's doing and will end up doing more harm than good.
I feel like its something that I can solve internally, but its damn hard 'round here, its like... I love making art, but
1. its frustrating to suck at it, and considering Im graduating this year is like, get good NOW or live in mediocrity and poverty ad infinitum
2. Im poor, so its not like I have the cushion of the other 90% of the students here of mooching off of my parent's unlimited income to jumpstart an art career
3. I just don't seem to like LOVE LOVE LOVE ALL THE TIME! art, I like my hobbies, I like to exercise, and theres this constant guilty nag whenever Im NOT practicing art that I COULD be practicing art, but whats the solution here, just do less schoolwork? How do I tell me teachers, "yo, I spend too much time on your class, I'm gonna spend less time on your class's work."
Its a very frustrating cyclical nightmare, its shitty 'cause there are an innumerable count of artist with immaculate rendering skills and years of experience and thats who Im competing against. How do I top years of experience? I can accumulate it but by then whats to say that Im not trapped in some dead end job trying to make ends meet?
Blegh. Blegh, I say.
Also I've been getting these incredible migraines lately, the last few days I've been knocked flat on my ass by them, its like someone's playing the bongo drums on the back of my eyes. Im tempted to make a gif of what my vision looks like during migraine attacks/migraine aura periods.
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It is mostly catharsis but having someone help you talk through your problems and identify the key issues or the things that you can control. Therapy is helpful if your depression is hampering your life, either you are not productive or deeply unhappy. It is necessary if you are injuring yourself physically or considering suicide.
I would emphasize that it won't help if you walk in refusing to cooperate or believing strongly that it won't work, i.e. you need to see miracles to change your mind. Therapy is the first step in a lifestyle and attitude change. If you can do it yourself or with the encouragement of friends or society at large, then you should do that rather than therapy.
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I would say purely as an observation that you might just need a hobby, preferably something outdoors and active and social. It is a great way to make friends and feel refreshed by moving around. It also tends to be a big confidence booster to learn a new skill.
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On November 25 2015 12:55 coverpunch wrote:
It is mostly catharsis but having someone help you talk through your problems and identify the key issues or the things that you can control. Therapy is helpful if your depression is hampering your life, either you are not productive or deeply unhappy. It is necessary if you are injuring yourself physically or considering suicide.
I would emphasize that it won't help if you walk in refusing to cooperate or believing strongly that it won't work, i.e. you need to see miracles to change your mind. Therapy is the first step in a lifestyle and attitude change. If you can do it yourself or with the encouragement of friends or society at large, then you should do that rather than therapy.
Its like... Im not DEEPLY unhappy, I'm just like... its weird, I have this weird awful guilt complex about work because when I do something that ISNT work I feel guilty despite trying to make time to indulge in hobbies.
I also have trouble sleeping, I feel almost constantly fatigued, I'm less motivated than I would like to be and its like, unnngggghhhhhhhh
I feel that it IS hampering my life, but I also consider that maybe I just have expectations that are too high? Do people really leave school professionally proficient at art? Sometimes the professors make me think so based on what they ask and the time frame in which they ask, but maybe I'm projecting my own expectations over top of their own creating horrific monster projects?
Its a difficult thing, I'm just skeptical that a therapist would tell me something I couldn't figure out on my own? Maybe my ego is overinflated (or underinflated, theres lots of evidence of that too) but I think I have a pretty okay grasp on my own problems and interpreting these sorts of mental/emotional problems?
Time, time, time, theres never enough time, and I feel so often drained of energy. :d
Maybe I'll take the pills if they offer if I go, but it feels like givvvvvvinnnnng upppp, and I was raised to ignore all ills when you could simply apply sheer WILL POWER!
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Who said anything about pills man. I agree that those should be last resort. Just go talk to someone who might be able to help you pin point what it is that's bothering you. You are making simple therapeutic conversation sound like the psychological equivalent of open heart surgery while it is more like going to the doctor to ask why your bum is itchy.
A psychiatrist is the kind of guy that might describe you meds, but people like psychologists and psychotherapists are people that have a deep understanding of the human psyche and are often quite apt at helping you realize what the problem is yourself.
So don't be scared and just go talk to someone. You're not going in to a straight jacket. Thank god that nowadays people are starting to understand and accept that you can be mental illness or any kind of discomfort is something that is real and can be treated. No need to take unhappiness for granted.
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