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On October 31 2015 04:55 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2015 04:49 gumshoe wrote:On October 31 2015 04:45 Vivax wrote:
Anyone with a little fact checking realizes your quote collection is just there to sic me with very low, borderline ad hominem arguments.
Look if you wanna play like a mad rager I'm not the one who's going to reciprocate that, it's a waste of time. So leave scum, I will try to turn anything and everything you say against you because you are scum, and I expect you to do the same to me because you are scum. If your not up for that you dont have to play / ; just go afk like hopeless, well get around to you eventually. Also It's not nice when someone controls fs you out of context is it? But yeah seriously you've been keeping bh on the back burner all game, that's not slander, theres at least a dozen qoutes to prove it, you just read them. Its fact / : To start with one of the quotes is about GB and not BH. To end with I always suspect a ton of people. It's meta, not the scum one. I'm trying to get around the idea you're just a townie being a dick who likes to pick fights cause his time isn't worth much so he likes to waste it fighting instead of hunting scum. I'm not biting your hook. You can go for another wank or something, get rid of your excessive energy.
a quote about gb in which you throw in a crumb of bh -_- multitasking like a boss. How does that look good if you think gb is town? (you must cause I'm scum right, with crom and bh?)
Also stop being a douche : P, feel free to ignore me , or go lurk, or go wank off as you say, but no reason to be mean in place of actually arguing against me / :
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On October 31 2015 04:56 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2015 04:52 gumshoe wrote:On October 31 2015 04:45 ritoky wrote:On October 31 2015 04:41 gumshoe wrote:On October 31 2015 04:32 ritoky wrote:
i fully expect the shot to be on me or BH tonight, being that i am essentially mod confirmed town, and BH is probably the strongest player who is a top TR alive. anything else is pretty meh. You'll probally stick around cause of your self admittedly bad scum reads : p scummers might exploit that. I might actually die now but still seems unlikely with vivax coming after me. hey hey hey! i was the one who made the PoE list of GB, onegu, hopeless first!!!!! then i just went full bitch mode and backed out of it while everyone else realized it was a good idea...i have good reads, just a habit of talking myself out of them. regardless you have to shoot people who are unlynchable in lylo. if the team is anything but gb/x i am unlynchable. if it is gb/x there's a 1% chance someone does something stupid even though i am confirmed town. well see : P you've shown a propensity to panic as you say, scum needs a patzy and a dope at lylo (and gb wont work as he will either be scum or dead) so 100 percent town or not you might make a great dope : P procedurally i disagree with you about how to win lylo as mafia, but that's neither here nor there.
well lylo is scum convincing someone to lynch the other guy instead of them / : obviously scum want to think ahead so they probably groom for the role but yeah your right, not really a big deal.
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I have no intention of arguing against you further, it's more pleasant to just be lynched and throw in some occasional comments over hammering reason into insanity.
Either way it's going to be the hopeless/me/GB combo being lynched so either we win or we lose to scum cause the remaining townies don't know how to tinfoil instead of circlejerking about a common opinion.
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On October 31 2015 05:02 Vivax wrote:
I have no intention of arguing against you further, it's more pleasant to just be lynched and throw in some occasional comments over hammering reason into insanity.
Either way it's going to be the hopeless/me/GB combo being lynched so either we win or we lose to scum cause the remaining townies don't know how to tinfoil instead of circlejerking about a common opinion.
k thanks bai.
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Vivax, if I ever get too much for you to handle you can always just shoot me : D nobody will blame you for it since you can just go wifom wifom wifom "why would I lynch gumshoe that makes me look bad!" wifom wifom wifom.
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On October 31 2015 05:01 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2015 04:56 ritoky wrote:On October 31 2015 04:52 gumshoe wrote:On October 31 2015 04:45 ritoky wrote:On October 31 2015 04:41 gumshoe wrote:On October 31 2015 04:32 ritoky wrote:
i fully expect the shot to be on me or BH tonight, being that i am essentially mod confirmed town, and BH is probably the strongest player who is a top TR alive. anything else is pretty meh. You'll probally stick around cause of your self admittedly bad scum reads : p scummers might exploit that. I might actually die now but still seems unlikely with vivax coming after me. hey hey hey! i was the one who made the PoE list of GB, onegu, hopeless first!!!!! then i just went full bitch mode and backed out of it while everyone else realized it was a good idea...i have good reads, just a habit of talking myself out of them. regardless you have to shoot people who are unlynchable in lylo. if the team is anything but gb/x i am unlynchable. if it is gb/x there's a 1% chance someone does something stupid even though i am confirmed town. well see : P you've shown a propensity to panic as you say, scum needs a patzy and a dope at lylo (and gb wont work as he will either be scum or dead) so 100 percent town or not you might make a great dope : P procedurally i disagree with you about how to win lylo as mafia, but that's neither here nor there. well lylo is scum convincing someone to lynch the other guy instead of them / : obviously scum want to think ahead so they probably groom for the role but yeah your right, not really a big deal.
right but having 2 people as an option rather than 1 is always the superior state of game. but like i said it's pointless to talk about.
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BH, gumshoe, ritoky, Xatalos are all ez town
I still think Vivax is town but it's possible he's not by poe, there's just a few things I don't like about him
So my plan is lynch GB and Hopeless
if GB is somehow town then lynch Hopeless and Vivax probably because of D3 votes
if Hopeless is somehow town then reevaluate everyone hard but probably still lynch GB and Vivax
GB is 200% scummier than Vivax
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also I agree we shouldn't just stop thinking about the game and lynch GB Hopeless Vivax, but there's no need to push tinfoil theories when the current theory fits all evidence and has much stronger reasons
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Chromatically got it right... I hope 
Anyways, let's see if I still live soon...
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On the off chance that I successfully provoked vivax into killing me, I'll just reiterate, stay the course folks, don't lynch anyone but hopeless tomorrow as hes basically a free kill / :
I would lynch vivax before gb but really doesn't matter as long as they both die.
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Blazinghand
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Day 1 Alakaslam (8): raynpelikoneet, marvellosity, Hopeless1der, yamato77, Chromatically, Vivax, gumshoe, Blazinghand raynpelikoneet (3): Alakaslam, GlowingBear, OneguOnegu (2): ritoky, Xatalos
Day 2 yamato77 (4): gumshoe, Xatalos, Hopeless1der, Vivax, GlowingBear (3): Chromatically, ritoky, Blazinghand raynpelikoneet (1): GlowingBear Xatalos (1): raynpelikoneetHopeless1der (1): Onegu
Day 3 Onegu (5): Xatalos, Blazinghand, GlowingBear, gumshoe, ritoky GlowingBear (4): Vivax, Chromatically, Hopeless1der, Onegu
So, again, looking at Day 2 it seems fairly clear to me that GB is scum or scum passed up an attempt to hammer him.
Taking a look at Hopeless1, also, I think a H1 GB team makes a lot of sense here. H1 kept the lynch off GB.
H1 imo is the other scum besides GB based on his really lackluster performance on Onegu. H makes a null comment on Onegu (link) during D1 then during D2 votes yam with another null comment on Onegu (link).
H1 votes GB over Onegu but doesn't really explain anything about his reads on either of them: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25026630
In general this situation fits "H1 trying to look vaguely active on the Onegu and GB issue but not actually doing anything." Sadly, there's not really anything BESIDES VCA and this super tiny case that can be pinned on H1 because he's barely playing the game. Looking at what he's done, though, I feel like he'd look much worse if he was playing more, you know? So even though he's a lurker I think H1 is scum.
Going a bit more in-depth on GB and H1, I think there's actually a really interesting set of things that happens with Onegu here. Onegu basically keeps his vote off of GB the entire game, including the critical Day 2 when GB is on the block. What's interesting is Onegu is effectively doing a soft scumread on GB during this time:
On October 26 2015 23:16 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 26 2015 23:11 Onegu wrote:On October 26 2015 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 26 2015 23:03 Onegu wrote:
So BH says I am scum because I come into the thread before I sleep to make a post. A post about something I have been thinking about. Then he brings something up. I say ok yeah maybe you are right we can discuss it before I vote him. Then I go to sleep because it is 2am local time.
And BH know that I just peace out as both alignments. Moreso as town so that should be NAI to him. Would lynch BH.
Out of the 2 wagons right now I could lynch either of them. Would lean more to Yamato as he looked really townie day one but then did nothing n1 and d2. This matches up to his scum meta as just fucking off and doing nothing. And I know he wasnt working because I was playing Dota with him. Onegu this is a really shitty post btw... Why? because you are claiming you know 100% yamato is lying about his irl-stuff (which most likely makes him mafia) but your post suggests you want to lynch BH over him. Where does yamato say anything about his irl stuff in this game. I dont think he said he was working and I know for sure he said he was playing CSGO. And I would lynch BH and Hopeless over yamato because yamatos day 1 did look really townie. I was talking about the 2 current wagons GB and Yamato and my thoughts on that wagon.
Pay attention to what Onegu is doing here, when we're deciding between Yam and GB. We're about 8 hours out and Onegu is saying that both GB and yam are good wagons, right? Remember he was "RNGsheepping" GB previously and graduated his read to null on GB after townreading him once it became clear there were scumreads coming out of the woodwork on GB. It's hard to say how much Onegu was actually reading the thread, but here's a decent explanation for what happened:
GB has been bussing his teammates, 1G and H1, all game. But it's been a really soft bus, one with no votes, just occasional noises so if they flip he can go back and say "see! I was right all along, and therefore clearly town. it's good I was here to convince you kids". As he's trying to do now with 1G (even though, and i'll note, 1G/Gb/H1 has clearly been the best lynch-into group for like 96 hours).
Then GB starts to come under pressure. As the Yam wagon appraoches, people start considering hte GB wagon. Onegu and H1 realize that GB can't as easily be their "hidden scum" (not without help) and can't blandly scumread him, so Onegu decides to change to a nullread. But then it's important that his vote be on Yam to save GB, or, failing that, that OTHER people vote Yam (which is what he goes with). So what does he do?
On October 26 2015 23:03 Onegu wrote:
So BH says I am scum because I come into the thread before I sleep to make a post. A post about something I have been thinking about. Then he brings something up. I say ok yeah maybe you are right we can discuss it before I vote him. Then I go to sleep because it is 2am local time.
And BH know that I just peace out as both alignments. Moreso as town so that should be NAI to him. Would lynch BH.
Out of the 2 wagons right now I could lynch either of them. Would lean more to Yamato as he looked really townie day one but then did nothing n1 and d2. This matches up to his scum meta as just fucking off and doing nothing. And I know he wasnt working because I was playing Dota with him.
Well, as much as raynpelikoneet was an enormous pain, he's a sharp guy. He called out Onegu for this:
On October 26 2015 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2015 23:11 Onegu wrote:On October 26 2015 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 26 2015 23:03 Onegu wrote:
So BH says I am scum because I come into the thread before I sleep to make a post. A post about something I have been thinking about. Then he brings something up. I say ok yeah maybe you are right we can discuss it before I vote him. Then I go to sleep because it is 2am local time.
And BH know that I just peace out as both alignments. Moreso as town so that should be NAI to him. Would lynch BH.
Out of the 2 wagons right now I could lynch either of them. Would lean more to Yamato as he looked really townie day one but then did nothing n1 and d2. This matches up to his scum meta as just fucking off and doing nothing. And I know he wasnt working because I was playing Dota with him. Onegu this is a really shitty post btw... Why? because you are claiming you know 100% yamato is lying about his irl-stuff (which most likely makes him mafia) but your post suggests you want to lynch BH over him.
So to be clear, what's going on here isn't some kind of conspiracy by Onegu but more just him flailing around and being scum, as we know. But he wants to be like "yamato is playing dota instead of playing, and isn't working". When he says "out of the two wagons", he's talking about the GB and Yam wagons. So he graduates GB to a nullread like yamato, but needs a reason to lynch Yamato. At the same time, he wants to reduce my thread presence by calling me scum. He tries to do all of this in one go, and rayn picks up that something is wrong.
But the important thing here is how crappy the reasoning in this entire post is. Like, Onegu REALLY is struggling to find some justification to lynch yam over gb. If they're both town, would Onegu really care about this? of course not. So he starts faking justifiction. One of the things about being scum is, it's hard to fake a thought process. Something that looks super duper obvious scummy to town (pretending to be afk when you're not, or outrigh tlying), well, if you're scum, you ahve to FAKE finding things scummy, so any time you try to do these thought processes, they don't make sense.
Onegu calls YAm scum, but he vastly undersells how convinced he is by this. Obviously, this is one of the many things that led to Onegu being caught. But we're leaving something else out here. Why is Onegu trying to paint Yam in a bad light? At the end of the day, Onegu ends up on H1, effectively opting out of the discourse and not like doing anything. As scum, he could have JUST done that and come out looking better. Instead, he goes to the mat, so to speak, saying he was video gaming with Yam and Yam wasn't playing Mafia when he could have been. This seems like a huge unnecessary risk to... well, to save GB. To make Yam get lynched over GB. Like, there's no reason for Onegu to do ANYTHING there if it's "GB is town, Yam is town, town is lynching between them"
Instead, Onegu appears as some of that strange resistance that crops up every time GB is on the chopping block.
Last final thoughts:
So I really really think GB/H1 for the last two scum. I've made it very clear in several filters why this is the case.
Gumshoe, and to a lesser extent Xat, have been working their butts off and are definitely town. Don't listen to Vivax' lies
Ritoky is most likely town, unless GB is scum.
Chromatically has put a modest effort into actually playing the game, and has had the right emotions at the right time. probably town for this.
Vivax's strange actions and the fact that he's been building up a scumread on me and has recently revealed a "hesistant scumreaD" of Gumshoe http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?page=164#3278
makes me think Vivax is less likely to be town.
In summary:
Lynch GB, H1, and if one of them is somehow town, Vivax, in that order or rough order.
Don't lynch Gumshoe. Really. Don't.
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Blazinghand
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"don't listen to Vivax' lies" should be "don't listen to GB's lies" but who knows!
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Rels sighed. His employees were dropping like flies, and certain occurrences on the floor revolving around the deaths of some of them were inexplicable.
He phoned his auditor to accompany him to the factory today to check in on some last hour delivery order, which provided chocolate wafers for Treleavens two newest flavours.
Rels and the auditor walked over to the shipping and receiving area, parsing through several layers of invoices and packing slips. There were several dozen orders for tonnes of wholesale orders from Bayside and other local confectioners through the last week.
Rels pulled out another order book and then began to notice where the rogue orders began. But there was one problem, invoices for the London confectioners began much later than their local suppliers' shipments had started disappearing.
"There might be an insider infiltrator somewhere. There has to be," muttered the auditor. "Did anyone start recently?"
"Not that I'm aware," replied Rels. "Might need to check some of the nearby distributors though, because that's where our problems might lie."
As if on cue, Rels' smartphone went off.
"Holy shit," he exclaimed.
"What is it?"
"There was a murder at one of the distributors we do business with. Individual in question handled a lot of chocolate in our area including Bayside. That's the prelim information coming out but investigators are concluding 100% foul play."
"This is a lot worse than I expected," replied the auditor.
"So this basically means our supply chain is fucked." Rels muttered. "Fucking motherfuckers..."
Xatalos, a factory worker (Town Vanilla) was taken out!
Day 4 has begun and in 48h you will hand out the next pink slip! Whom will it be?
Please remember to vote in the correct format so that we will not miss votes!
Day 4 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
At that time, the player with the most votes will be lynched.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Huh. I was guessing gumshoe, but maybe scum think they've got a chance of lynching him. IT's not happening, though.
##vote: glowingbear
H1 is also acceptable to me today.
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GG, take it home townies 
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If gb is scum, im protecting him, if vivax is scum, hes been accusing me all day, he literally cant shoot me / : im his patzi.
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##vote hopeless
/auto pilot
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not really sure what to make of that. wifom tells me suggests a GB/x team otherwise i am confirmed town and should be instantly shot because all other cases i am conf. brain tells me that whoever is making kills needs lessons from me on how to win as mafia....
i kinda wanna lynch GB first just cuz i am greedy and if he is town then i am full confirmed 4 lyfe instead of 99.999999999999999% confirmed like i already am. and if he is mafia then i lynch mafia and have a perfect voting record which means despite my actual play i am actually the best ever. win-win for me. but i seem to remember someone having some reason why hopeless was better first? what was it?
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