[M][N] Mini Mafia: The (kinda) Vanilla Experience - Page 171

On October 31 2015 03:32 Blazinghand wrote:


Why WOULDN'T you 100% bus Onegu? And when push came to shove didn't vote him until he was the only other wagon? Even when you threw away your vote D2, you threw it away on rayn, not on Onegu. You talk a big talk about lynching Onegu but... well, you never voted him, and never tried to REALLY get things going on him, until he was literally the only other wagon.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497022-mini-mafia-the-vanilla-experience-voting-thread?user=glowingbear

where are your Onegu votes, if you've been on him? It's a nice attempt at a bus I guess

On October 31 2015 03:32 Blazinghand wrote:


I mean, yes? And if he did get lynched, it's not like Onegu was carrying your team with his amazing thread presence anyways

On October 31 2015 03:33 GlowingBear wrote:
"Let's lynch slam!"
"I can read him better later, it's better to lynch Onegu"
"No let's lynch yamato then!"
"Him also. I'll vote him but seriously, I prefer lynching Onegu".

When I could just

"Oh yeah, slam play makes no sense, let's lynch him Gg"

On October 31 2015 03:33 GlowingBear wrote:
"Let's lynch slam!"
"I can read him better later, it's better to lynch Onegu"
"No let's lynch yamato then!"
"Him also. I'll vote him but seriously, I prefer lynching Onegu".

When I could just

"Oh yeah, slam play makes no sense, let's lynch him Gg"

On October 31 2015 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm gonna ignore BH and Chrome or I'll start punching baby walruses until their deaths.

I'm trusting gumshoe because I actually don't believe someone would say something like "on my parents life" like that. It's. Wow. Yeah.

On October 31 2015 03:38 Chromatically wrote:

Yes, you saying Onegu should be lynched is never going to get anyone else to vote on him and so isn't actually going to get him lynched at all. As mafia, you'd actually want to do exactly what you did: say that he looks scummy (so you can argue this when he flips) but not actually push to get him lynched.

On October 31 2015 03:40 gumshoe wrote:


When I cant talk it out, I can and will resort to emotional terrorism / : but yeah would only do that as scum if someone put a gun to my head ie "gumshoe is scum cause he hasn't sworn on everything he holds dear yet" in that scenario, what can I do right? But if its of my own volition I'm town every time : P

On October 31 2015 01:45 Chromatically wrote:

This doesn't even have anything to do with what I said! THERE IS NO LOGIC TO GB FLIPPING HIS READS LIKE THIS OUT OF NOWHERE.

GB has not been bussing Onegu. He's been throwing suspicion on Onegu and saying he's mafia, but never once has he pushed Onegu to be lynched with any kind of force. He votes yamato over Onegu D2 without pushing Onegu and then switches to rayn?

If you were mafia and your team was Onegu/Hopeless, would you really not throw suspicion on them?

Here's the kind of stuff he's been saying:





There is absolutely nothing in here that makes a GB-Onegu team unlikely at all. I would argue that the suspicion without pushing it at all makes it more likely.

On October 30 2015 11:09 Chromatically wrote:
Here's every read Onegu gave on GB:

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And here's most of what he says about Hopeless (I omitted a bunch of "lynch hopeless" posts):
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So my initial reaction to this is that Onegu never giving a read at all on GB looks really really bad. I don't think this says much about Hopeless at all, it could be Onegu pushing an easy target or it could be him putting pressure on his scumbuddy that's not playing (and wasn't really up for lynch any of those days).

On October 31 2015 01:36 Chromatically wrote:
Guys, think about this:

IF GB is town:
The mafia are three out of {me, Vivax, Hopeless}. No question.

If you believe otherwise (that at least one mafia was bussing), then you have to find a person on the Onegu wagon that couldn't have switched to secure the GB lynch.

gumshoe wrote a justification for voting GB, he could have kept his vote there.
BH was posting a lot about being worried about the lynch, he could have easily switched at the last second and people would be like "Oh BH, you silly goose! You and your shenannies!"
ritoky switched for basically no reason and hammered scum, he 100% could have just kept his vote on GB with perfect justification.
Xatalos was saying that he might be okay with lynching GB earlier in the day and he's been scumreading GB too, he could have switched.

The mafia team is EITHER GB + someone else OR {me/Vivax/Hopeless}. To believe otherwise, you have to think that scum willingly avoided, for basically no reason, lynching a town and saving Onegu, which would have put us into 4-3 LYLO.

On October 31 2015 03:43 GlowingBear wrote:


Repeatedly saying you want to lynch Onegu is me not actually wanting to lynch Onegu.

How do you think I should've pushed Onegu, then? Like my push on Vivax? It surely worked wonders, didn't it?

On July 27 2015 03:46 GlowingBear wrote:


1) Constantly whining about having to waste posts with bad things without actually using his remaining 50+ posts for anything else

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If he is so worried about wasting posts with useless stuff, WHY DOES HE WASTE POSTS TO KEEP SAYING HE IS ANNOYED? "Yes, one person is enough to annoy me", really?
Why is he so annoyed, man? "Everybody is playing like shit". No, nobody is playing like shit in this game. This game is pretty concise and to the point. His annoyance is unjustified, it's

ridiculous. Looks like mafia trying to fake being emotional.

2) Deflecting any early suspicions brought on him + guilty conscience



THIS IS HIS SECOND POST IN THE GAME! This is an unnatural reaction to what scott posted. In town mindset, the reaction I would expect would be "then you're stupid because I'm town" and not

"ok, you think I'm scum, am I the only one lol". It reveals mafia's guilty conscience.
More than that, and more important, it is a deflection of early pressure. He sees someone calling him scum and softly tries to shift pressure to someone else. If you ask "am I the only

one?" a common response would be "no, I didn't like X as well" and if they keep talking about X, the pressure is shifted.

The same reaction can be seen here:
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It can be interpreted in both ways: town not wanting to shit the thread, or scum deflecting pressure. Since Kelsier already displayed the deflection behaviour, the second option is more

likely.

3) Wanting to lynch me then backtracking when having no reasons to

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The progression is this, for people that doesn't want to read the posts: Kelsier says he doesn't like me and he would lynch me happily. I ask him why he doesn't like me. He says everything

I post looks stupid. I asked him what is stupid in them and why does that makes me mafia. He said it doesn't make me mafia but he would lynch me anyway, and that he is annoyed because

idiots (like me) are annoying him, but never says what are the problems with my posts. He then comes to the thread and says he wants to lynch "hopeless, clarity, obi and bf", not wanting

to lynch me.

It's simple: he said he didn't like me hoping to have me as an option for mislynch. When I confront it, he says I look stupid but he forgets it's something he doesn't believe is alignment

indicative for me. Then he says he would lynch me anyway implying that I annoy him. Well, I wasn't raising suspicions on him since that time. Now I've being pressuring him for the rest of

day1 and he doesn't want to lynch me anymore LOL. He is not annoyed with it.
What I mean with this is: his actions does not follows his discourse, which is mostly a scum trait.
Add to this the fact that he answers almost NOTHING of my posts directed to him. He just deflects them, adding to point (2) of this case.

4) HE IS VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT

HE IS FUCKING VOTING TOFU INSTEAD OF SCOTT. SCOTT WAS THE FIRST GUY TO ANNOY HIM (AND KELSIER WOULD LYNCH PEOPLE DOING THAT)! Why he doesn't prefer a scott lynch? Hell, a lot of people

thinks he is mafia! Instead of going against the guy that certainly looked as mafia for him, he is going against questionmark!Tofu. More than that, he wasn't advocating for a lynch on

Scott, but opened a range of possible lynches he would go against (tofu, scott, obi, clarity).
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, PEOPLE! COME ON!!!

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I am POSITIVE Kelsier is mafia. Vote him with me.

##Vote: KelsierSC

On October 31 2015 03:44 GlowingBear wrote:


let's see in the end of the game.

I'm agnostic but very superstitious. Go figure...

On October 31 2015 03:52 Chromatically wrote:

No, probably something more like the pushes you make in your town games. Here's an example:

Come on, it's in his filter.
Obviously he agrees with rayn on Xata and hopeless.

Disagrees on GB and BH.

Interestingly GB is on his lynch and so is BH, people he isn't scumreading and who were in rayn's case.
Not sure actually if rayn was still thinking of Xata being scum before he died.

He's kinda ignoring two guys who want to lynch him and who rayn scumread? Then I'd like to know his own reasoning for the reads.

On October 31 2015 03:40 GlowingBear wrote:
You guys are also saying that Onegu, when he can't back, voted on the third scum member of your #dreamteam, saw he was getting lynched anyway then voted me and begged ritiky to vote me instead of just rolling over and dying. Just because, you know, he wanted to survive over his scum partner.

Sigh

On October 30 2015 07:07 Vivax wrote:


Super flawed logic cause at the time he voted he couldn't foresee anyone switching and he made it 5 4
And if he pops up to ninjavote just to bus when Onegu has a majority he's screwed anyway, nobody would buy it from him given how he's playing.

On October 31 2015 04:05 Blazinghand wrote:


Onegu was hilariously ineffective, and suspiciously kept his vote OFF of you until he was sure it wouldn't make a difference. seems straightforwards to me

On October 31 2015 03:24 GlowingBear wrote:
That actually makes me believe you're town. You wouldn't go that far.

... would you?

ARE YOU CROSSING YOUR FINGERS NOW?