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Also this was Tfrel's last possible scum team post before EoN:
On October 04 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:
Mafia team is MoosyDoosy, sicklucker, and The Shining. Possibly rsoultin, but probably not because that would mean that I sort of did something right. I hope it's not LightningStrike.
Final answer, barring a thought or two that I'm keeping to myself.
Interesting enough Rels both you and Tfrel had similar teams.
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 20:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:So let's see; You had literally said your strongest townreads are Damdred and marvellosity. That, by default means marv has done some things you consider to be extremely town, otherwise you are just plain out lying. Now, marv does not post anything after that post (where you call him town) before you call him your #2 mafia read. Some examples: Show nested quote +let's see...ls came back, and i know he's looking into college so not being around for that reason makes it nai...my main reason for suspecting him again had fallen off lol >< "LS didn't do anything to make my opinion on him change" Show nested quote +sl continued pointing out interesting things that made him less likely to be scum, and i maintain my his reads are sl-centric which is generally a town sign point "sl did some things that make him less likely to be mafia (not town to be exact), so it apparently overrides my #2 townread in towniness" Show nested quote +cool's posts feel super new to me. could be scum but i don't think for any of the reasons anyone are calling him out for "this null read on cool also overrides my #2 townread in towniness". yeah there was nothing townie moosy did, that also overrides #2 townread in towniness.
Like, unless you are just straight out throwing out conclusions out of your head without even thinking about anything for one second, you are just straight out lying. When you townread someone for any reason, the townread does just not vanish. If it did because "other people looked more town", well there is nothing you just said that suggests you are telling the truth. On October 01 2015 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 00:33 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 00:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:lol am i the only one who can see what's happening here?  what do you think that is? note where my vote remains GlowingBear is now "under attack" from rsoultin. Suddenly, when you say "if i change my vote i will vote for GlowingBear". None of the things rsoultin now points out regarding GB were not important before. GB is one of Damdred's scumreads. The same guy who was "so goood" he was worth asking about his read on you was not worth discussing a read on GlowingBear (who rsoultin never scumread before now).... The only comment about GB from rsoultin is "i would probably lynch GB over LS", and that is BEFORE you went down the pile. hmmmzzzz..... yeah it makes sense. On October 01 2015 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not trying to be an idiot towards you Tina.
But the way you present your arguments is scummy as fuck.
You don't actually take any kind of a stance on my argument against you. You call marv's argument "omgus" when it clearly is not, it has been pointed out for like 10 times in this thread.
You give defenses like "i would never do this as mafia because...." which i do not believe are true, because i KNOW you have acted otherwise in games.
You misrepresent things, like cooliodude's argument one me, if you were town it should be really easyfor you to see what i was saying at the time i did it, just because i managed to mistype one word does not make it scummy like you seem to think it does.
You are not looking for mafia, rn you are looking for someone to lynch,. and if you were town you would try to convince me to lynch scott who is btw 100% mafia (with you). There is no reason you should be thinking he is town (as you don't) and if you are town there is no reason why you should NOT try to lynch him.
You are both mafia. If you are not mafia, then pfff.... You have fucked up this game totally, because you are not even trying to figure out who is mafia (no you haven't, all game). You have not tried to lynch mafia (no you haven't, all game). That is a fact.
GlowingBear is not mafia. If i am wrong on this shit you can call me bad how much you want to but i am not gonna call myself bad if you somehow happen to flip town.
And now it's too late. On October 01 2015 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Basically i don't think marv's case on you does make you 100% scum. But i do know that when marv is so confident in his argument he is 100% town, and when he is town AND that confident he is probably right, even if i do not see it. I hadn't read your posts properly before that, for the reasons you i have outlined earlier. When i saw the case i did go back and read your posts.
What stuck out to me was this (why i think you are scum - MY CASE, regardless of marv's);
1) your read change on marv doesn't make logically any sense (in fact this is realted to his case aswell).
When you started arguing about his case, i also scumread you for;
2) your arguments were terrible, and didn't address anything he said, you just yelled "omgus omgus".
When i presented my case (1), you could not reasonable explain yourself, in fact you didn't explain anything at all, which makes (3).
Later on you scumread (or "scumread" i don't even fucking know what the read is besides "itchy") me for "not interacting with me, when you have had ZERO interest in trying to interact with me, while i DO have a reason to not interact with you, as i have explained. The only point where you have interacted with me before that, was when you 100% incorrectly "figured out Damdred's post is factually correct". Bullshit. Then you whine about you not having a read on me when you don't even try to get a read on me how you, as per your own words, read me best; by interacting with me. That would be (4).
(5) your push on GlowingBear is scummy as explained before.
(6) you twist things into looking like something they are not, you are not being clear and you don't even try to be clear.
(7) you don't have any scumreads (until you are being lynched). On October 02 2015 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 05:17 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
One of my problems with rsoultin is that she doesn't really have any reads. She just doesn't. She goes like (i added GB here);
- GB says stuff about Trfel/Damdred -> rsoultin doesn't care
- rayn says stuff about J Roc and other people -> rsoultin doesn't care
- stuff happens
- marv makes a case on rsoultin -> suddenly huge burst of posts and much caring
- rayn agrees -> rsoultin calls rayn scum because i am "itchy" and she "can't get a read on me" (when actually it's just --- she didn't care to have a read on me)
- rsoultin is, or by thread sentiment is becoming the main wagon -> suddenly rsoultin DOES care about the stuff about GB, which she didn't care about before
- things on coolTLname, J Roc for example -> rsoultin doesn't care to discuss them
like she just cares when it's beneficial to her in terms of not getting lynched, and it looks constructed as hell. maybe but it's not really true that she doesn't have reads, she have strong townreads that she stated several times who gives a fuck about townreads if you can't produce even ONE scumread? On October 02 2015 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
not to even mention... in over 20 pages of filter.
Like what is she doing in this game? What? scumhunting? On October 02 2015 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 07:02 rsoultin wrote:On October 02 2015 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2015 06:59 rsoultin wrote:
Please don't sleep on rayn, either. His broad strokes scumread of me is not really that similar to the way he normally tunnels a player for very specific things. Most of his points are completely subjective or completely false.
kindly, shut the fuck up when you have not even read what i have wrote. this post kinda sounds like you think i'm town <3 no, it sounds like you somehow think i am mafia when you haven't even gone through the thread properly, you have MULTIPLE times said you have to re-evaluate your read on me, you have MULTIPLE times said you are going to re-read me, and NEVER did that. Yet, still, you cannot precisely call me NEITHER town NOR mafia, but you still kinda call me mafia anyways... So go fucking do the read you have been saying you are doing for the past three days. Go do it now. And make the fucking read instead of flip-flopping on every single fucking thing in this game. On October 02 2015 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 07:08 rsoultin wrote:On October 02 2015 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2015 07:02 rsoultin wrote:On October 02 2015 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2015 06:59 rsoultin wrote:
Please don't sleep on rayn, either. His broad strokes scumread of me is not really that similar to the way he normally tunnels a player for very specific things. Most of his points are completely subjective or completely false.
kindly, shut the fuck up when you have not even read what i have wrote. this post kinda sounds like you think i'm town <3 no, it sounds like you somehow think i am mafia when you haven't even gone through the thread properly, you have MULTIPLE times said you have to re-evaluate your read on me, you have MULTIPLE times said you are going to re-read me, and NEVER did that. Yet, still, you cannot precisely call me NEITHER town NOR mafia, but you still kinda call me mafia anyways... So go fucking do the read you have been saying you are doing for the past three days. Go do it now. And make the fucking read instead of flip-flopping on every single fucking thing in this game. no. i'm taking a nap ^^ and i'm doing a reread tomorrow night as i said before. i have more important things than mafia to do, but as i was doing things in my limited time, yes, i posted it yeah, apparently you have had more important things to do for the past three days while whining you cant get a read on me and saying you will re-read me. While producing 25 pages of nonsense. On October 02 2015 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 07:46 rsoultin wrote:On October 02 2015 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2015 07:41 rsoultin wrote:
-sighs-
he did have 7 votes on him before damdred cc'd scott, rayn
between the time scott claim and damdred cc'd he had 7 votes on him. i remember because i wasn't sure enough would switch HAHAHAHAHAH! that's not what he is arguing though, he is arguing he had 7 voted before scott claimed. ...that doesn't appear to be what he's arguing? he appears to be arguing that he was fine with being lynched over me when he originally got the 7 votes but was happy to vote for scott after damdred cc'd...what are you pushing him for exactly? read the thread. On October 02 2015 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 07:49 rsoultin wrote:On October 02 2015 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2015 03:56 coolTLname wrote:
i was not voted because scott claimed, he claimed at the last minute after i had already a lot of votes - 7.
This is what he originally said. I don't care what he says now. This is what i was arguing about, HOW FUCKING BIG SHOULD I MAKE IT FOR YOU FOR IT TO BE OBVIOUS??!?!?!?!? i found the other time thank you rayn mmm now my question to you is, why do you miss this simple stuff all the time? somehow you cannot produce a read on that guy, in fact as i remember you called him town because "he is new" (which is btw not a reason to read anyone anything). You just conveniently miss too much stuff Tina. On October 02 2015 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
rsoultin i have one simple yes/no question to you.
Do you think it's reasonable that you have been flip-flopping about my alignment for the whole game when you yourself repeatedly say you need to re-read me (and do nothing about it -- but STILL change your read on me from time to time?!?!?), say you are gonna do that re-read now (or as the next thing -- yes i can prove that), and you are supposed to be the "best player in this game (besides marv)" in reading me, as you yourself claim? On October 02 2015 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
rstoul i just read your posts. and I learned nothing about your reads on this game. they are absolutely filler. Like you are the filler posting champion. Like you are the god OHHH SOMEONE GETS IT! <3 On October 02 2015 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 22:06 rsoultin wrote:On October 02 2015 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2015 21:59 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 01 2015 05:13 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You know what Moosy. If i am wrong on J Roc on D2 and he flips town you can lynch me on D3 no questions asked.
I am 60% sheeping marv here, 40% because of my own read on rsoultin after i started actually paying attention to her posts. I am egoistic enough to trust my own read more than marv's, but i am also good enough to know that it is less likely that he is wrong on D1 than i am, when he is town, which he totally is. When he feels about something this strongly on D1 then he is town, and most likely right. Whatever i say doesn't make the lynch go "where i want to". Just because he is the only player i consider better than i am and for the fact that people are already retarded enough to not see what i see (marv included rofl).
So yeah, i don't really have much to say about this.
I think rsoultin is mafia.
I think J Roc is mafia.
I DEFINITELY NOT THINK GB is mafia.
coolnamedude is probably the third scum.
I don't care about him much atm, just because i can't lynch more than person / day -> see above. i'm not sure this is really true tbh i trust your d1 reads above mine i am honest i didn't know that. certainly this year i'm getting heebie jeebies. i could lynch scott with you if you're so sure. almost feels like if rsoultin is mafia she deserves to live for managing to post 20 pages of filter on d1... On October 01 2015 05:22 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 05:21 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 01 2015 05:13 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You know what Moosy. If i am wrong on J Roc on D2 and he flips town you can lynch me on D3 no questions asked.
I am 60% sheeping marv here, 40% because of my own read on rsoultin after i started actually paying attention to her posts. I am egoistic enough to trust my own read more than marv's, but i am also good enough to know that it is less likely that he is wrong on D1 than i am, when he is town, which he totally is. When he feels about something this strongly on D1 then he is town, and most likely right. Whatever i say doesn't make the lynch go "where i want to". Just because he is the only player i consider better than i am and for the fact that people are already retarded enough to not see what i see (marv included rofl).
So yeah, i don't really have much to say about this.
I think rsoultin is mafia.
I think J Roc is mafia.
I DEFINITELY NOT THINK GB is mafia.
coolnamedude is probably the third scum.
I don't care about him much atm, just because i can't lynch more than person / day -> see above. i'm not sure this is really true tbh i trust your d1 reads above mine i am honest i didn't know that. certainly this year i'm getting heebie jeebies. i could lynch scott with you if you're so sure. almost feels like if rsoultin is mafia she deserves to live for managing to post 20 pages of filter on d1... eh i dunnae if this means anything honestly i think i'm the most likely of anyone on this site to be capable of that but it should be clear that i was trying to find scum for the last several hours and trying to make reads while being bashed constantly, and that should make me town to anyone. i hope it does. cause if this continues tomorrow maybe it's better that y'all just lynch me; i won't be able to keep it up i can tell you now, and i can't work this way i'd raise you HF and you've made a lot a lot alot of posts that don't look horribly shit. so maybe i should back down here. i dunno. On October 01 2015 19:46 marvellosity wrote:
gonna be so annoyed if rsoultin is mafia xD ??? like maybe he's still suspicious i guess so "clearly townreading" was overstating it, but it doesn't look very much like he's pushing me, does it? trfel by contrast is one of the only ones in his n1 filter who was he pushing on N1? This is where he ends up on Trfel: On October 02 2015 00:54 marvellosity wrote:On October 02 2015 00:35 Trfel wrote:On October 02 2015 00:30 marvellosity wrote:On October 02 2015 00:02 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 23:54 marvellosity wrote:
post 1 suggests that my entire play could come from mafia
post 2 Trfel backtracks and says it's referring to a tiny portion at the start?
it really makes no sense at all to me There was a specific part of your play where you said "I never do this as mafia". I'm saying that there is absolutely no reason why you couldn't, it would be easy to do. As for the rest of your play, you are capable of a high filter length as mafia. I see no reason why you couldn't produce an extremely high filter length in a really spammy game, if you really wanted to. If you're referring to thread involvement, I don't see you being involved to the point where you can't be mafia. the fact you're characterising my play by filter length is pretty scummy tbh. I don't think you want to know what I have to say about your play other than filter length..... You do realize that you are my top townread, right? i didn't. i guess i'm going mad. oh well. "He didn't read me mafia because he wasn't pushing me". So who was he pushing then? do you see him pushing anyone after that retraction, rayn? no, and somehow you think HE TOWNREADS YOU AS HE DIDN'T PUSH YOU ON N1?!?!?!?! ridiculous. On October 02 2015 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 22:10 rsoultin wrote:On October 02 2015 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2015 22:06 rsoultin wrote:On October 02 2015 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2015 21:59 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 01 2015 05:13 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You know what Moosy. If i am wrong on J Roc on D2 and he flips town you can lynch me on D3 no questions asked.
I am 60% sheeping marv here, 40% because of my own read on rsoultin after i started actually paying attention to her posts. I am egoistic enough to trust my own read more than marv's, but i am also good enough to know that it is less likely that he is wrong on D1 than i am, when he is town, which he totally is. When he feels about something this strongly on D1 then he is town, and most likely right. Whatever i say doesn't make the lynch go "where i want to". Just because he is the only player i consider better than i am and for the fact that people are already retarded enough to not see what i see (marv included rofl).
So yeah, i don't really have much to say about this.
I think rsoultin is mafia.
I think J Roc is mafia.
I DEFINITELY NOT THINK GB is mafia.
coolnamedude is probably the third scum.
I don't care about him much atm, just because i can't lynch more than person / day -> see above. i'm not sure this is really true tbh i trust your d1 reads above mine i am honest i didn't know that. certainly this year i'm getting heebie jeebies. i could lynch scott with you if you're so sure. almost feels like if rsoultin is mafia she deserves to live for managing to post 20 pages of filter on d1... On October 01 2015 05:22 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 05:21 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:[quote] i am honest i didn't know that. certainly this year i'm getting heebie jeebies. i could lynch scott with you if you're so sure. almost feels like if rsoultin is mafia she deserves to live for managing to post 20 pages of filter on d1... eh i dunnae if this means anything honestly i think i'm the most likely of anyone on this site to be capable of that but it should be clear that i was trying to find scum for the last several hours and trying to make reads while being bashed constantly, and that should make me town to anyone. i hope it does. cause if this continues tomorrow maybe it's better that y'all just lynch me; i won't be able to keep it up i can tell you now, and i can't work this way i'd raise you HF and you've made a lot a lot alot of posts that don't look horribly shit. so maybe i should back down here. i dunno. On October 01 2015 19:46 marvellosity wrote:
gonna be so annoyed if rsoultin is mafia xD ??? like maybe he's still suspicious i guess so "clearly townreading" was overstating it, but it doesn't look very much like he's pushing me, does it? trfel by contrast is one of the only ones in his n1 filter who was he pushing on N1? This is where he ends up on Trfel: On October 02 2015 00:54 marvellosity wrote:On October 02 2015 00:35 Trfel wrote:On October 02 2015 00:30 marvellosity wrote:On October 02 2015 00:02 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 23:54 marvellosity wrote:
post 1 suggests that my entire play could come from mafia
post 2 Trfel backtracks and says it's referring to a tiny portion at the start?
it really makes no sense at all to me There was a specific part of your play where you said "I never do this as mafia". I'm saying that there is absolutely no reason why you couldn't, it would be easy to do. As for the rest of your play, you are capable of a high filter length as mafia. I see no reason why you couldn't produce an extremely high filter length in a really spammy game, if you really wanted to. If you're referring to thread involvement, I don't see you being involved to the point where you can't be mafia. the fact you're characterising my play by filter length is pretty scummy tbh. I don't think you want to know what I have to say about your play other than filter length..... You do realize that you are my top townread, right? i didn't. i guess i'm going mad. oh well. "He didn't read me mafia because he wasn't pushing me". So who was he pushing then? do you see him pushing anyone after that retraction, rayn? no, and somehow you think HE TOWNREADS YOU AS HE DIDN'T PUSH YOU ON N1?!?!?!?! ridiculous. no i think that given his posting he at least thinks there's a fair chance i could be town. given the posts above. you did read them? yes i did read them. no, that's a ridiculous conclusion. On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary)
- yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70
- you are, logically, voting for coolname
- scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20
- marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30.
- Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it. On October 03 2015 19:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like there is a push on rsoultin from me/marv.
Shining says he's gonna take a stance on it -> never does anything about it. On October 03 2015 19:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:The way he dismisses the cases on rsoultin is also yuck... Show nested quote +Technically I also refused to listen to the cases on her because I've played with her multiple times and I'm pretty sure she's town, even after everything. It reminds me of her back and forth with Geript in Student V and they were both town. On October 03 2015 20:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 19:55 rsoultin wrote:On October 03 2015 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And btw Rels was really interested in lynching you... no he really kind of wasn't he was one of the only people arguing with marv d1 and saying we should actually wait for my analyses and giving me room. my inclination was actually to townread him going into his filter because of that like i get he said i could be scum for lack of reads later but it's not like he's doing stupid shit like sl was lol Let's assume this is true for a moment. Why do you think mafia does not hop on your wagon when marv/rayn is pushing it? I mean if i was a new player and you are town that is a perfect excuse to lynch a townie and not be blamed about it, as you can just say "i thought marv/rayn cases were good". Because i can't think of a reason, except for one... On October 03 2015 20:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 20:39 rsoultin wrote:On October 03 2015 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2015 20:36 rsoultin wrote:
rels dropping his read on truffle to push me is jumping on my lynch in my mind but since you apparently define it differently, apparently mafia didn't jump on my lynch
but he wasn't pushing you. instead after some time he gave you more room. why does he do that as mafia? he was pushing me @.@ even he says he was pushing me you're still saying the sky is green and i already answered this question. as mafia, with me making a huge stink about how he dropped his read on trfel to do this, he looks like shit when i flip town. is there some reason you're not reading my responses to you? I don't think you are lying, i am not suggesting so. I just want you to be as clear as possible so there is no way to misjudge this -- when i say this: So you think Rels is mafia. You think he is the only mafia pushing your lynch. Now let's assume Trfel is scum here. At the time the push on you starts there is - if i remember correctly - four votes on Trfel. Rels is mafia and hops onto you, from Trfel. You are the only counterwagon. It doesn't make any sense, especially considering later on Rels wants to give you more room. So Trfel cannot possibly be mafia in this game if you are town, and should not ever be mafia for you in this game, unless you think i am mafia (which you don't). That should be your #1 reason for reading Trfel town regardless of what he has ever said in this game because if Trfel was mafia mafia WOULD have hopped on you with greater numbers and pushed your lynch more. Somehow you can't realize this simple fact that if you are town Trfel must be town. And don't try to feed me with bullshit "but i think Trfel is town", i am telling you this should be your reasoning, at least part of it, yet it is not. On October 03 2015 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 21:10 rsoultin wrote:On October 03 2015 21:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels' alignment has nothing to do with this.
In fact it should be even more clear to you that Trfel is town if Rels is not mafia. -squints at- so what you're really saying is that if trfel were mafia more scum should be trying to vote for me d1. that follows. lol you should have just said that i was skeezed out by trfel asking me questions over and over, my answering them, and then him whining that i hadn't lol >< and got focused on that. you can think this makes me scum if you like but i'd think you of all people could understand how something not making sense can be distracting ^^ Yes that what i am saying, or rather i am saying YOU should be the one figuring that out easily since yo uare supposed to know you are town. If you are mafia, then, obviously none of this applies... You even did wagon analysis (mainly on Moosy/Rels/shining) here, jsut some time ago. Yet you leave out the most easily seen logical conclusion from your analysis (=because i am town, it must mean Trfel is town). So, another scumpoint to you. On October 03 2015 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So from what i have gathered from N1 and D2 (partly from D1 aswell) from you rsoultin is this:
- You didn't give any fucks about coolTLname when you imo should have. I am speaking of N1 here, you even went on defending him with factually incorrect argument. (see what i did there?) It's scummy.
- The way you "look into people further" is scummy. You are under pressure, marv says GB might be mafia -> suddenly there is a case (and a vote) on GB from you while you didn't care about the things you found him scummy for earlier, at all. sl brings up the voting behavior and I start discussing it with him on D2. Rels and Shining are under questioning for that -> suddenly you come up with "now i am looking into Rels/Shining" and you come to a conclusion that Rels looks really bad and shining is town, you don't even touch this voting behavior thing at all... Hmm no, actually that is not scummy, that is super scummy.
- You do voting analysis; you miss the most easily notable thing to you. That is scummy.
That was your N1 -> D2.
I think you are mafia. On October 05 2015 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
c'mon rels you are smarter than this.
rsoultin thinks one of you/md is scum
rsoultin thinks one of gb/shining is scum
rsoultin thinks me & ls are 100% town.
rsoultind doesn't want to vote for sicklucker asap.
1) Marv's case / my case on her.
2) When there are those cases on her, she decides GB is mafia for reasons he was not mafia before. Also the timing where the case comes.
3) Her read on coolTLname and "incapability" to see the scummy things on him (coolname's read on me throughout the game). Instead she thinks Trfel is scum. Never makes the case.
4) Her read on Trfel. She should have thought Trfel is town 100% by voting analysis.
5) Her read on shining. sicklucker pointed out how Rels/Shining voting history on D1 is fishy. rels explains this reasonably, shining doesn't explain it at all. She is interested in discussing Rels for this, not Shining.
6) Based on above, both of marv / Trfel (nk'd townies) put shining onto the scumpile (at that time noone else really did). Doesn't consider this as a reason to even investigate shining more.
7) Her read on Rels. Damdred the top townie did the same thing rels did, still it's a reason to scumread Rels (logicvally it isn't).
8) Her D3. Bullshit.
TLDR;
- not paying attention to important things that actually make sense (see for example read on GB D1, read on me, Trfel...)
- her read on me throughout the game is terrible, she should have townread me on D1 100% if she was town (see marv here - noone can actually read me except for marv, people should trust marv's read on me, and rsoultin should 100% know this)
- other reads are bad, and the reasoning is fishy (gb, rels, trfel)
- didn't have any real reads until N2 (srsly, she didn't)
- not interested in discussing shining when she 100% should
idk if i forgot some reasoning in my TLDR, but mafia mafia mafia!!
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On October 05 2015 23:03 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 23:01 Rels wrote:On October 05 2015 23:00 rsoultin wrote:On October 05 2015 22:54 rsoultin wrote:okay so let me explain my thought process here it's lylo there are 5 town if 1 is on town we've already lost unless we pile 4 on scum before they can get on the town and just don't move for anything, cause it's whoever gets to 4 first if shining's scum, and sicklucker's scum, if all town players are voting for scum we have to reach 3 before scum can pile on to a town player. so we can afford a 2/3 split there, which i wasn't really thinking much on cause i think shining is town  like i get why rayn thinks this makes me scum but the problem here is we absolutely have to consolidate on 2 wagons because if anyone is wrong here's what happens 1 town wagon 1 scum wagon race to 4 votes 1 town wagon - 1 town <- scum will end up here for the win 1 scum wagon - 2 town 1 other scum wagon - 2 town 1 town wagon - 1 town <- scum will end up here 1 town wagon - 1 town <- or here 1 scum wagon - 3 town like i get why he thinks i'm scum for not voting for sicklucker right off the bat but LEGITIMATELY if we do not consolidate on 2 wagons we're screwed. and LEGITIMATELY we could still be screwed because if town votes for town, just one town player voting for just one town player, scum can pile on and win this is what i was thinking, rayn, and this is why i am demanding that we lynch between me and sicklucker if you're not going to move there's no way for us to win with more than one wagon we have to consolidate and i really wish you would try to be objective about me rayn. please fucking try >< ^ GUYS like seriously where am i wrong here? READ THIS!! i'm not even arguing that i'm not scum i'm arguing that unless we consolidate on just two wagons right now we are going to fucking lose for sure Why are you so stressed when nobody except rayn is sure you are scum ? -_- because i know that he's voting for town and if we don't consolidate on two wagons we're going to lose like seriously, what possible scum motivation can i have for saying this rels? i've literally laid out for you why town can never ever win if there are more than two wagons. we should be lynching between me and sicklucker. we can discuss lynching between me and someone else, i suppose, but regardless if rayn will not move we have to lynch between me and exactly one other person
Yeah but we're 16 hours into the day. If scum piles on one of you it's going to be super fucking obvious. And rayn hasn't make his case, and you're already super defending yourself.
The scum motivation is easy to find; if you realized it's between you and sicklucker, you will do exactly that, since you cannot attack rayn who you stated is town. It does not mean anything though 'cause it also works as a town motivation.
And I think you're wrong about rayn. Yes he is a tunneled player; but he is able to re evalute over logical things. If there is no confirmed scum between you and sicklucker, I'm pretty sure he would switch to Shining or Moosy, who he also thinks are scum.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/490661-mini-mafia-down-under-3
^ proof that i can be slow to evaluate much more recently than that
think i'm scum, think i'm town, what have you, but my townread on ows was retarded and it took me to lylo to realize it
are we seriously suggesting that i'm infallible as town? everyone and their brother knows that isn't true @.@
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On October 05 2015 23:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I am scum for re-considering a read I had on Shining. ok.
You said you had a hard townread on Shining. Prove it.
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Meeting time. See you later folks
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On October 05 2015 23:10 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 23:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I am scum for re-considering a read I had on Shining. ok. You said you had a hard townread on Shining. Prove it.
Why else would I give myself and Shining all the credit for starting the coolTL wagon back when it was cool.
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On October 05 2015 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 20:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:So let's see; You had literally said your strongest townreads are Damdred and marvellosity. That, by default means marv has done some things you consider to be extremely town, otherwise you are just plain out lying. Now, marv does not post anything after that post (where you call him town) before you call him your #2 mafia read. Some examples: Show nested quote +let's see...ls came back, and i know he's looking into college so not being around for that reason makes it nai...my main reason for suspecting him again had fallen off lol >< "LS didn't do anything to make my opinion on him change" Show nested quote +sl continued pointing out interesting things that made him less likely to be scum, and i maintain my his reads are sl-centric which is generally a town sign point "sl did some things that make him less likely to be mafia (not town to be exact), so it apparently overrides my #2 townread in towniness" Show nested quote +cool's posts feel super new to me. could be scum but i don't think for any of the reasons anyone are calling him out for "this null read on cool also overrides my #2 townread in towniness". yeah there was nothing townie moosy did, that also overrides #2 townread in towniness.
Like, unless you are just straight out throwing out conclusions out of your head without even thinking about anything for one second, you are just straight out lying. When you townread someone for any reason, the townread does just not vanish. If it did because "other people looked more town", well there is nothing you just said that suggests you are telling the truth. On October 01 2015 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 00:33 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 00:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:lol am i the only one who can see what's happening here? what do you think that is? note where my vote remains GlowingBear is now "under attack" from rsoultin. Suddenly, when you say "if i change my vote i will vote for GlowingBear". None of the things rsoultin now points out regarding GB were not important before. GB is one of Damdred's scumreads. The same guy who was "so goood" he was worth asking about his read on you was not worth discussing a read on GlowingBear (who rsoultin never scumread before now).... The only comment about GB from rsoultin is "i would probably lynch GB over LS", and that is BEFORE you went down the pile. hmmmzzzz..... yeah it makes sense. On October 01 2015 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not trying to be an idiot towards you Tina.
But the way you present your arguments is scummy as fuck.
You don't actually take any kind of a stance on my argument against you. You call marv's argument "omgus" when it clearly is not, it has been pointed out for like 10 times in this thread.
You give defenses like "i would never do this as mafia because...." which i do not believe are true, because i KNOW you have acted otherwise in games.
You misrepresent things, like cooliodude's argument one me, if you were town it should be really easyfor you to see what i was saying at the time i did it, just because i managed to mistype one word does not make it scummy like you seem to think it does.
You are not looking for mafia, rn you are looking for someone to lynch,. and if you were town you would try to convince me to lynch scott who is btw 100% mafia (with you). There is no reason you should be thinking he is town (as you don't) and if you are town there is no reason why you should NOT try to lynch him.
You are both mafia. If you are not mafia, then pfff.... You have fucked up this game totally, because you are not even trying to figure out who is mafia (no you haven't, all game). You have not tried to lynch mafia (no you haven't, all game). That is a fact.
GlowingBear is not mafia. If i am wrong on this shit you can call me bad how much you want to but i am not gonna call myself bad if you somehow happen to flip town.
And now it's too late. On October 01 2015 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Basically i don't think marv's case on you does make you 100% scum. But i do know that when marv is so confident in his argument he is 100% town, and when he is town AND that confident he is probably right, even if i do not see it. I hadn't read your posts properly before that, for the reasons you i have outlined earlier. When i saw the case i did go back and read your posts.
What stuck out to me was this (why i think you are scum - MY CASE, regardless of marv's);
1) your read change on marv doesn't make logically any sense (in fact this is realted to his case aswell).
When you started arguing about his case, i also scumread you for;
2) your arguments were terrible, and didn't address anything he said, you just yelled "omgus omgus".
When i presented my case (1), you could not reasonable explain yourself, in fact you didn't explain anything at all, which makes (3).
Later on you scumread (or "scumread" i don't even fucking know what the read is besides "itchy") me for "not interacting with me, when you have had ZERO interest in trying to interact with me, while i DO have a reason to not interact with you, as i have explained. The only point where you have interacted with me before that, was when you 100% incorrectly "figured out Damdred's post is factually correct". Bullshit. Then you whine about you not having a read on me when you don't even try to get a read on me how you, as per your own words, read me best; by interacting with me. That would be (4).
(5) your push on GlowingBear is scummy as explained before.
(6) you twist things into looking like something they are not, you are not being clear and you don't even try to be clear.
(7) you don't have any scumreads (until you are being lynched). On October 02 2015 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 05:17 Rels wrote:On October 02 2015 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
One of my problems with rsoultin is that she doesn't really have any reads. She just doesn't. She goes like (i added GB here);
- GB says stuff about Trfel/Damdred -> rsoultin doesn't care
- rayn says stuff about J Roc and other people -> rsoultin doesn't care
- stuff happens
- marv makes a case on rsoultin -> suddenly huge burst of posts and much caring
- rayn agrees -> rsoultin calls rayn scum because i am "itchy" and she "can't get a read on me" (when actually it's just --- she didn't care to have a read on me)
- rsoultin is, or by thread sentiment is becoming the main wagon -> suddenly rsoultin DOES care about the stuff about GB, which she didn't care about before
- things on coolTLname, J Roc for example -> rsoultin doesn't care to discuss them
like she just cares when it's beneficial to her in terms of not getting lynched, and it looks constructed as hell. maybe but it's not really true that she doesn't have reads, she have strong townreads that she stated several times who gives a fuck about townreads if you can't produce even ONE scumread? On October 02 2015 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
not to even mention... in over 20 pages of filter.
Like what is she doing in this game? What? scumhunting? On October 02 2015 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 07:02 rsoultin wrote:On October 02 2015 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2015 06:59 rsoultin wrote:
Please don't sleep on rayn, either. His broad strokes scumread of me is not really that similar to the way he normally tunnels a player for very specific things. Most of his points are completely subjective or completely false.
kindly, shut the fuck up when you have not even read what i have wrote. this post kinda sounds like you think i'm town <3 no, it sounds like you somehow think i am mafia when you haven't even gone through the thread properly, you have MULTIPLE times said you have to re-evaluate your read on me, you have MULTIPLE times said you are going to re-read me, and NEVER did that. Yet, still, you cannot precisely call me NEITHER town NOR mafia, but you still kinda call me mafia anyways... So go fucking do the read you have been saying you are doing for the past three days. Go do it now. And make the fucking read instead of flip-flopping on every single fucking thing in this game. On October 02 2015 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 07:08 rsoultin wrote:On October 02 2015 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2015 07:02 rsoultin wrote:On October 02 2015 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2015 06:59 rsoultin wrote:
Please don't sleep on rayn, either. His broad strokes scumread of me is not really that similar to the way he normally tunnels a player for very specific things. Most of his points are completely subjective or completely false.
kindly, shut the fuck up when you have not even read what i have wrote. this post kinda sounds like you think i'm town <3 no, it sounds like you somehow think i am mafia when you haven't even gone through the thread properly, you have MULTIPLE times said you have to re-evaluate your read on me, you have MULTIPLE times said you are going to re-read me, and NEVER did that. Yet, still, you cannot precisely call me NEITHER town NOR mafia, but you still kinda call me mafia anyways... So go fucking do the read you have been saying you are doing for the past three days. Go do it now. And make the fucking read instead of flip-flopping on every single fucking thing in this game. no. i'm taking a nap ^^ and i'm doing a reread tomorrow night as i said before. i have more important things than mafia to do, but as i was doing things in my limited time, yes, i posted it yeah, apparently you have had more important things to do for the past three days while whining you cant get a read on me and saying you will re-read me. While producing 25 pages of nonsense. On October 02 2015 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 07:46 rsoultin wrote:On October 02 2015 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2015 07:41 rsoultin wrote:
-sighs-
he did have 7 votes on him before damdred cc'd scott, rayn
between the time scott claim and damdred cc'd he had 7 votes on him. i remember because i wasn't sure enough would switch HAHAHAHAHAH! that's not what he is arguing though, he is arguing he had 7 voted before scott claimed. ...that doesn't appear to be what he's arguing? he appears to be arguing that he was fine with being lynched over me when he originally got the 7 votes but was happy to vote for scott after damdred cc'd...what are you pushing him for exactly? read the thread. On October 02 2015 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 07:49 rsoultin wrote:On October 02 2015 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2015 03:56 coolTLname wrote:
i was not voted because scott claimed, he claimed at the last minute after i had already a lot of votes - 7.
This is what he originally said. I don't care what he says now. This is what i was arguing about, HOW FUCKING BIG SHOULD I MAKE IT FOR YOU FOR IT TO BE OBVIOUS??!?!?!?!? i found the other time thank you rayn mmm now my question to you is, why do you miss this simple stuff all the time? somehow you cannot produce a read on that guy, in fact as i remember you called him town because "he is new" (which is btw not a reason to read anyone anything). You just conveniently miss too much stuff Tina. On October 02 2015 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
rsoultin i have one simple yes/no question to you.
Do you think it's reasonable that you have been flip-flopping about my alignment for the whole game when you yourself repeatedly say you need to re-read me (and do nothing about it -- but STILL change your read on me from time to time?!?!?), say you are gonna do that re-read now (or as the next thing -- yes i can prove that), and you are supposed to be the "best player in this game (besides marv)" in reading me, as you yourself claim? On October 02 2015 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 21:51 sicklucker wrote:
rstoul i just read your posts. and I learned nothing about your reads on this game. they are absolutely filler. Like you are the filler posting champion. Like you are the god OHHH SOMEONE GETS IT! <3 On October 02 2015 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 22:06 rsoultin wrote:On October 02 2015 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2015 21:59 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 01 2015 05:13 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You know what Moosy. If i am wrong on J Roc on D2 and he flips town you can lynch me on D3 no questions asked.
I am 60% sheeping marv here, 40% because of my own read on rsoultin after i started actually paying attention to her posts. I am egoistic enough to trust my own read more than marv's, but i am also good enough to know that it is less likely that he is wrong on D1 than i am, when he is town, which he totally is. When he feels about something this strongly on D1 then he is town, and most likely right. Whatever i say doesn't make the lynch go "where i want to". Just because he is the only player i consider better than i am and for the fact that people are already retarded enough to not see what i see (marv included rofl).
So yeah, i don't really have much to say about this.
I think rsoultin is mafia.
I think J Roc is mafia.
I DEFINITELY NOT THINK GB is mafia.
coolnamedude is probably the third scum.
I don't care about him much atm, just because i can't lynch more than person / day -> see above. i'm not sure this is really true tbh i trust your d1 reads above mine i am honest i didn't know that. certainly this year i'm getting heebie jeebies. i could lynch scott with you if you're so sure. almost feels like if rsoultin is mafia she deserves to live for managing to post 20 pages of filter on d1... On October 01 2015 05:22 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 05:21 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 01 2015 05:13 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You know what Moosy. If i am wrong on J Roc on D2 and he flips town you can lynch me on D3 no questions asked.
I am 60% sheeping marv here, 40% because of my own read on rsoultin after i started actually paying attention to her posts. I am egoistic enough to trust my own read more than marv's, but i am also good enough to know that it is less likely that he is wrong on D1 than i am, when he is town, which he totally is. When he feels about something this strongly on D1 then he is town, and most likely right. Whatever i say doesn't make the lynch go "where i want to". Just because he is the only player i consider better than i am and for the fact that people are already retarded enough to not see what i see (marv included rofl).
So yeah, i don't really have much to say about this.
I think rsoultin is mafia.
I think J Roc is mafia.
I DEFINITELY NOT THINK GB is mafia.
coolnamedude is probably the third scum.
I don't care about him much atm, just because i can't lynch more than person / day -> see above. i'm not sure this is really true tbh i trust your d1 reads above mine i am honest i didn't know that. certainly this year i'm getting heebie jeebies. i could lynch scott with you if you're so sure. almost feels like if rsoultin is mafia she deserves to live for managing to post 20 pages of filter on d1... eh i dunnae if this means anything honestly i think i'm the most likely of anyone on this site to be capable of that but it should be clear that i was trying to find scum for the last several hours and trying to make reads while being bashed constantly, and that should make me town to anyone. i hope it does. cause if this continues tomorrow maybe it's better that y'all just lynch me; i won't be able to keep it up i can tell you now, and i can't work this way i'd raise you HF and you've made a lot a lot alot of posts that don't look horribly shit. so maybe i should back down here. i dunno. On October 01 2015 19:46 marvellosity wrote:
gonna be so annoyed if rsoultin is mafia xD ??? like maybe he's still suspicious i guess so "clearly townreading" was overstating it, but it doesn't look very much like he's pushing me, does it? trfel by contrast is one of the only ones in his n1 filter who was he pushing on N1? This is where he ends up on Trfel: On October 02 2015 00:54 marvellosity wrote:On October 02 2015 00:35 Trfel wrote:On October 02 2015 00:30 marvellosity wrote:On October 02 2015 00:02 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 23:54 marvellosity wrote:
post 1 suggests that my entire play could come from mafia
post 2 Trfel backtracks and says it's referring to a tiny portion at the start?
it really makes no sense at all to me There was a specific part of your play where you said "I never do this as mafia". I'm saying that there is absolutely no reason why you couldn't, it would be easy to do. As for the rest of your play, you are capable of a high filter length as mafia. I see no reason why you couldn't produce an extremely high filter length in a really spammy game, if you really wanted to. If you're referring to thread involvement, I don't see you being involved to the point where you can't be mafia. the fact you're characterising my play by filter length is pretty scummy tbh. I don't think you want to know what I have to say about your play other than filter length..... You do realize that you are my top townread, right? i didn't. i guess i'm going mad. oh well. "He didn't read me mafia because he wasn't pushing me". So who was he pushing then? do you see him pushing anyone after that retraction, rayn? no, and somehow you think HE TOWNREADS YOU AS HE DIDN'T PUSH YOU ON N1?!?!?!?! ridiculous. On October 02 2015 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 22:10 rsoultin wrote:On October 02 2015 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2015 22:06 rsoultin wrote:On October 02 2015 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 02 2015 21:59 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 01 2015 05:13 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You know what Moosy. If i am wrong on J Roc on D2 and he flips town you can lynch me on D3 no questions asked.
I am 60% sheeping marv here, 40% because of my own read on rsoultin after i started actually paying attention to her posts. I am egoistic enough to trust my own read more than marv's, but i am also good enough to know that it is less likely that he is wrong on D1 than i am, when he is town, which he totally is. When he feels about something this strongly on D1 then he is town, and most likely right. Whatever i say doesn't make the lynch go "where i want to". Just because he is the only player i consider better than i am and for the fact that people are already retarded enough to not see what i see (marv included rofl).
So yeah, i don't really have much to say about this.
I think rsoultin is mafia.
I think J Roc is mafia.
I DEFINITELY NOT THINK GB is mafia.
coolnamedude is probably the third scum.
I don't care about him much atm, just because i can't lynch more than person / day -> see above. i'm not sure this is really true tbh i trust your d1 reads above mine i am honest i didn't know that. certainly this year i'm getting heebie jeebies. i could lynch scott with you if you're so sure. almost feels like if rsoultin is mafia she deserves to live for managing to post 20 pages of filter on d1... On October 01 2015 05:22 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 05:21 rsoultin wrote:On October 01 2015 05:16 marvellosity wrote:On October 01 2015 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:[quote] i am honest i didn't know that. certainly this year i'm getting heebie jeebies. i could lynch scott with you if you're so sure. almost feels like if rsoultin is mafia she deserves to live for managing to post 20 pages of filter on d1... eh i dunnae if this means anything honestly i think i'm the most likely of anyone on this site to be capable of that but it should be clear that i was trying to find scum for the last several hours and trying to make reads while being bashed constantly, and that should make me town to anyone. i hope it does. cause if this continues tomorrow maybe it's better that y'all just lynch me; i won't be able to keep it up i can tell you now, and i can't work this way i'd raise you HF and you've made a lot a lot alot of posts that don't look horribly shit. so maybe i should back down here. i dunno. On October 01 2015 19:46 marvellosity wrote:
gonna be so annoyed if rsoultin is mafia xD ??? like maybe he's still suspicious i guess so "clearly townreading" was overstating it, but it doesn't look very much like he's pushing me, does it? trfel by contrast is one of the only ones in his n1 filter who was he pushing on N1? This is where he ends up on Trfel: On October 02 2015 00:54 marvellosity wrote:On October 02 2015 00:35 Trfel wrote:On October 02 2015 00:30 marvellosity wrote:On October 02 2015 00:02 Trfel wrote:On October 01 2015 23:54 marvellosity wrote:
post 1 suggests that my entire play could come from mafia
post 2 Trfel backtracks and says it's referring to a tiny portion at the start?
it really makes no sense at all to me There was a specific part of your play where you said "I never do this as mafia". I'm saying that there is absolutely no reason why you couldn't, it would be easy to do. As for the rest of your play, you are capable of a high filter length as mafia. I see no reason why you couldn't produce an extremely high filter length in a really spammy game, if you really wanted to. If you're referring to thread involvement, I don't see you being involved to the point where you can't be mafia. the fact you're characterising my play by filter length is pretty scummy tbh. I don't think you want to know what I have to say about your play other than filter length..... You do realize that you are my top townread, right? i didn't. i guess i'm going mad. oh well. "He didn't read me mafia because he wasn't pushing me". So who was he pushing then? do you see him pushing anyone after that retraction, rayn? no, and somehow you think HE TOWNREADS YOU AS HE DIDN'T PUSH YOU ON N1?!?!?!?! ridiculous. no i think that given his posting he at least thinks there's a fair chance i could be town. given the posts above. you did read them? yes i did read them. no, that's a ridiculous conclusion. On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means:
- your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary)
- yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70
- you are, logically, voting for coolname
- scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20
- marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30.
- Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70.
Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch?
I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it. On October 03 2015 19:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like there is a push on rsoultin from me/marv.
Shining says he's gonna take a stance on it -> never does anything about it. On October 03 2015 19:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:The way he dismisses the cases on rsoultin is also yuck... Show nested quote +Technically I also refused to listen to the cases on her because I've played with her multiple times and I'm pretty sure she's town, even after everything. It reminds me of her back and forth with Geript in Student V and they were both town. On October 03 2015 20:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 19:55 rsoultin wrote:On October 03 2015 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And btw Rels was really interested in lynching you... no he really kind of wasn't he was one of the only people arguing with marv d1 and saying we should actually wait for my analyses and giving me room. my inclination was actually to townread him going into his filter because of that like i get he said i could be scum for lack of reads later but it's not like he's doing stupid shit like sl was lol Let's assume this is true for a moment. Why do you think mafia does not hop on your wagon when marv/rayn is pushing it? I mean if i was a new player and you are town that is a perfect excuse to lynch a townie and not be blamed about it, as you can just say "i thought marv/rayn cases were good". Because i can't think of a reason, except for one... On October 03 2015 20:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 20:39 rsoultin wrote:On October 03 2015 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2015 20:36 rsoultin wrote:
rels dropping his read on truffle to push me is jumping on my lynch in my mind but since you apparently define it differently, apparently mafia didn't jump on my lynch
but he wasn't pushing you. instead after some time he gave you more room. why does he do that as mafia? he was pushing me @.@ even he says he was pushing me you're still saying the sky is green and i already answered this question. as mafia, with me making a huge stink about how he dropped his read on trfel to do this, he looks like shit when i flip town. is there some reason you're not reading my responses to you? I don't think you are lying, i am not suggesting so. I just want you to be as clear as possible so there is no way to misjudge this -- when i say this: So you think Rels is mafia. You think he is the only mafia pushing your lynch. Now let's assume Trfel is scum here. At the time the push on you starts there is - if i remember correctly - four votes on Trfel. Rels is mafia and hops onto you, from Trfel. You are the only counterwagon. It doesn't make any sense, especially considering later on Rels wants to give you more room. So Trfel cannot possibly be mafia in this game if you are town, and should not ever be mafia for you in this game, unless you think i am mafia (which you don't). That should be your #1 reason for reading Trfel town regardless of what he has ever said in this game because if Trfel was mafia mafia WOULD have hopped on you with greater numbers and pushed your lynch more. Somehow you can't realize this simple fact that if you are town Trfel must be town. And don't try to feed me with bullshit "but i think Trfel is town", i am telling you this should be your reasoning, at least part of it, yet it is not. On October 03 2015 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 21:10 rsoultin wrote:On October 03 2015 21:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels' alignment has nothing to do with this.
In fact it should be even more clear to you that Trfel is town if Rels is not mafia. -squints at- so what you're really saying is that if trfel were mafia more scum should be trying to vote for me d1. that follows. lol you should have just said that i was skeezed out by trfel asking me questions over and over, my answering them, and then him whining that i hadn't lol >< and got focused on that. you can think this makes me scum if you like but i'd think you of all people could understand how something not making sense can be distracting ^^ Yes that what i am saying, or rather i am saying YOU should be the one figuring that out easily since yo uare supposed to know you are town. If you are mafia, then, obviously none of this applies... You even did wagon analysis (mainly on Moosy/Rels/shining) here, jsut some time ago. Yet you leave out the most easily seen logical conclusion from your analysis (=because i am town, it must mean Trfel is town). So, another scumpoint to you. On October 03 2015 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So from what i have gathered from N1 and D2 (partly from D1 aswell) from you rsoultin is this:
- You didn't give any fucks about coolTLname when you imo should have. I am speaking of N1 here, you even went on defending him with factually incorrect argument. (see what i did there?) It's scummy.
- The way you "look into people further" is scummy. You are under pressure, marv says GB might be mafia -> suddenly there is a case (and a vote) on GB from you while you didn't care about the things you found him scummy for earlier, at all. sl brings up the voting behavior and I start discussing it with him on D2. Rels and Shining are under questioning for that -> suddenly you come up with "now i am looking into Rels/Shining" and you come to a conclusion that Rels looks really bad and shining is town, you don't even touch this voting behavior thing at all... Hmm no, actually that is not scummy, that is super scummy.
- You do voting analysis; you miss the most easily notable thing to you. That is scummy.
That was your N1 -> D2.
I think you are mafia. On October 05 2015 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
c'mon rels you are smarter than this.
rsoultin thinks one of you/md is scum
rsoultin thinks one of gb/shining is scum
rsoultin thinks me & ls are 100% town.
rsoultind doesn't want to vote for sicklucker asap. 1) Marv's case / my case on her. 2) When there are those cases on her, she decides GB is mafia for reasons he was not mafia before. Also the timing where the case comes. 3) Her read on coolTLname and "incapability" to see the scummy things on him (coolname's read on me throughout the game). Instead she thinks Trfel is scum. Never makes the case. 4) Her read on Trfel. She should have thought Trfel is town 100% by voting analysis. 5) Her read on shining. sicklucker pointed out how Rels/Shining voting history on D1 is fishy. rels explains this reasonably, shining doesn't explain it at all. She is interested in discussing Rels for this, not Shining.6) Based on above, both of marv / Trfel (nk'd townies) put shining onto the scumpile (at that time noone else really did). Doesn't consider this as a reason to even investigate shining more. 7) Her read on Rels. Damdred the top townie did the same thing rels did, still it's a reason to scumread Rels (logicvally it isn't). 8) Her D3. Bullshit. TLDR;- not paying attention to important things that actually make sense (see for example read on GB D1, read on me, Trfel...) - her read on me throughout the game is terrible, she should have townread me on D1 100% if she was town (see marv here - noone can actually read me except for marv, people should trust marv's read on me, and rsoultin should 100% know this) - other reads are bad, and the reasoning is fishy (gb, rels, trfel) - didn't have any real reads until N2 (srsly, she didn't) - not interested in discussing shining when she 100% should idk if i forgot some reasoning in my TLDR, but mafia mafia mafia!!
meh i'm just not scum rayn
like i've explained a lot of these things and even if you're right on shining, that doesn't mean i'm mafia? it just means i'm wrong, and i said i'd reevaluate him i just haven't yet
my read on rels is not as simplified as you were making it either
like i don't know how to convince you to listen to me and i really don't think i can because you've been tunneled on me literally from d1
but can you at least try to see things from my point of view?
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Day 3 Recall List
The Shining (2): sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Rels
rsoultin (1): raynpelikoneet
sicklucker (0): rsoultin
Not listed (5): rsoultin, GlowingBear, LightningStrike, MoosyDoosy, The Shining
Tonight, I will be banning The Shining permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey.
Day 3 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
The spirits recall list is here.
Only votes on this list will be counted.
Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill.
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like honestly can you keep your vote on me rayn, if that's what you want to do, but talk to me like i'm confirmed town and ask me questions and stuff so i can prove i'm town to you?
i dunnae this is so frustrating to me rayn @.@
like why would they even leave you alive? have you considered that? you've been pushing town all fucking game, rayn. all. fucking. game. blindly
yeah it's easier for me to see cause i know i'm town
but you KNOW that you should be the nk, and you obviously KNOW that you're town, yet you're still convinced that you're 100% right after being so fucking wrong all game and still being alive?
if shining is scum, why not kill you? if shining and i am scum, you should be like #1 nk
cause truffle was townreading me and was willing to listen (maybe) to my shining read, while you 100% are not going to
like can't you see this?
in what world with shining and myself as scum would we not nk you?
yet you're not even willing TO RECONSIDER YOUR READ
and you say me not reconsidering shining makes me mafia >< you're being a million times more bullheaded than i am
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i don't think a single person is scumreading you rayn
yet you really think that you're still 100% right and scum is leaving you alive cause what...rsoul is scum and she's masochistic? it's a hell of a lot easier for me to say he's confirmed town that's why he was nk'd then to fight your tunnel in lylo
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meh
yeah so everyone, decide who you're going to vote other than me
i have no confidence that anything i say will change rayn's mind and that's a huge problem for us but rels is right in that scum will have to wait to pile on just in case rayn actually is willing to think and might change when he sees it so
i'll try to solve the game for y'all
it's just really depressing to me that people can't see how town i am with all the work i've put in this game
we have to 100% only vote between two wagons though. it's our only chance
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On October 05 2015 23:24 rsoultin wrote:
it's just really depressing to me that people can't see how town i am with all the work i've put in this game
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I can do a "work of rsoultin multiquotepost" aswell if you guys want to.
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On October 05 2015 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can do a "work of rsoultin multiquotepost" aswell if you guys want to.
you're hurting my feelings
i know it doesn't mean anything now
but post-game...you're really hurting my feelings right now
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It consists of;
"rayn is itchy, i have to reread him".
"i don't care about stuff that is clear" [or rather, where i (or anyone else) points that out]
"i am doing schoolwork so no reading rn"
"i am doing [whatever else] so no reading rn"
"i am gonna reread [someone] soon"
I can maybe gather like 50 posts like this.
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On October 05 2015 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It consists of;
"rayn is itchy, i have to reread him".
"i don't care about stuff that is clear" [or rather, where i (or anyone else) points that out]
"i am doing schoolwork so no reading rn"
"i am doing [whatever else] so no reading rn"
"i am gonna reread [someone] soon"
I can maybe gather like 50 posts like this.
and what about all the work i did do rayn? is that worthless too?
i spent hours
i just...yeah i've got class
maybe i'll just "have class" until EoD and screw it, since i don't fucking do any work
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On October 05 2015 23:29 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2015 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can do a "work of rsoultin multiquotepost" aswell if you guys want to. you're hurting my feelings i know it doesn't mean anything now but post-game...you're really hurting my feelings right now
well i am sorry if you are town but i don't respond well to TMI.
I also asked you, really politely, on N1 (or D2 don't remember exactly) to actually read and try to understand before you post. You continued to do the same you did before.
so, however hard that might feel, it doesn't really mean anything to me after the game either in case you are town.
I have literally just made up my mind already, because in my opinion i have seen enough.
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I also asked the same thing from coolTLname and LightningStrike.
All the three of you totally failed and decided it's better to throw shit and TMI on me.
I find that disgusting, unless you are mafia ofc.
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and that is my honest opinion.
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