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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
October 07 2015 18:52 GMT
#5361
On October 08 2015 03:24 Blazinghand wrote:
hey guys, let's try to be reasonably nice to each other, yeah? we're all TL mafia people here

stfu
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-07 18:57:22
October 07 2015 18:57 GMT
#5362
On October 08 2015 03:47 Damdred wrote:
I do wish that there were more games that used sanity btw Hts it would change blue roles slightly and cause some interesting checks.


lol i remember when i used logic for these games. once upon a time...

before doing so just meant lynching townie after townie...

then my reads became more and more illogical...

and now i am part of the problem xP

a slippery, slippery slope

look it's a tunnel!

c'est la vie
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-07 19:01:35
October 07 2015 18:59 GMT
#5363
On October 08 2015 03:47 Damdred wrote:
I do wish that there were more games that used sanity btw Hts it would change blue roles slightly and cause some interesting checks.


http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Cop

I looked up sanities and I understand those basics but from reading I don't understand how they impact the blues aside from framers doing their normal thing. A godfather/miller by definition isn't blue so I am a bit confused...

...or do you mean it makes the DT role more interesting? I mean I get that insane might take a few days or so to figure out, but how often is anything (or should anything) other than sane/insane be used in normal minis or normal setups? Compared to you or some of the other long standing players/hosts I have yet to play a game with anything other than normal DTs (alignment or parity) here (Aperture 4 excepted, but we all know that game's roles are just way out there regardless).
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
October 07 2015 19:00 GMT
#5364
oh i took sanity to mean logical

my bad lol
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
October 07 2015 19:00 GMT
#5365
On October 07 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A few thoughts and comments:

In hindsight Damdred should have not claimed (obviously), but it would have been better even if scott was mafia. We could still have lynched another mafia, and regardless of scott's alignment him being alive on N1 it ensures Damdred gets a check. Mafia cannot roleblock him if scott is mafia, mafia will not roleblock him is scott is town. He will definitely not get strongarmed. I don't fault him for his decision, i would have probably done the same with the time left on the day phase, but it's just something that came to me a bit later....

I really really can't understand why people do not read and/or try to process what they read in certain situations. Nobody except for marv (and Rels but that's kinda irrelevant since he was mafia) understood my argument on J Roc (mainly looking at Damdred, Trfel and rsoultin here). I found out it very frustrating when i was saying "bananas are yellow", Damdred and Trfel come in and say "oranges are orange", and then rsoultin comes to say "Damdred is factually correct"................................... ugh. Please, try to understand the meaning behind the posts and thought process before you post. And this is not just for those people but to others aswell. That was just one of many examples.

I understand the argument behind shining read (that marv just pointed out -- and Trfel on D2). My problem is, like i said when the game ended, the last couple of games i have been too busy lynching stupidity. It's very hard for me to not lynch people who say the following stuff:
- first read in the game, "rayn is bussing sicklucker" [screw you motherfucker, I WAS EVEN RIGHT!!]
- some guy doesn't read the thread at all and makes bullshit argument for 72 hours and in the meantime claims "lynch all liars" and "people who don't read the thread are mafia".....
- some dude reads like only the last post in thread and follows the thread sentiment, then does VCA and ends up in a conclusion "this is how people voted". when you tell them to read the thread, they fucking mock you and somehow you are the reason they are not reading the thread in the first place... super terrible.
- "this dude counter-claims me in lylo, so i'll swap my read on him from mafia -> town" ?!?!?!?!?!?"?!"?!#¤#%(UDSJF....................

....over let's say shining, who was at least being reasonable with his posts. I understand this kinda stuff often comes from a townie, but at the same time, even if it does the town is gonna lose the game if those players are alive at the end of the game 100% (especially against Rels who was really really active here). I know this is a "shitty" thing to say but nowadays i end up lynching people who will lose the game for the town regardless of their alignment more than mafia, because they distract me from finding mafia. That's why i don't want to play anymore with people i consider to be in that category.

J Roc left scott in a really shitty position. For me there was nothing that could ever make me re-consired the read, regardless of what scott said. I am sorry for scott, but when i decide someone is mafia, there is no more "discussing", that phase is over, then i just try to lynch that player until something really extreme happens (like claim -- well that didn't really help here... ).

I liked the last day phase. The case/votes on GlowingBear basically solved the game (regardless of Rels/Moosy alignment). Rels you should have not claimed. I understand your reasoning but you have to think further. You didn't, obviously because you wanted to win the game there. That was a mistake because Shining was really really likely to be lynched anyways. Well played anyways.

sicklucker apparently says townie stuff only when he is pointing out who his scumbuddies are.
Thank you for making my game easier on D3.

Yeah, idk, it's nice to leave with a win but the game was still shit. Very shit.


Yes thats why you called me town the entire game
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
October 07 2015 19:03 GMT
#5366
On October 08 2015 04:00 rsoultin wrote:
oh i took sanity to mean logical

my bad lol


Yeh, this is more on how I could have made DT less powerful. I've heard of sane/insane, just never actually played with anything other than sane on this site.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
October 07 2015 19:07 GMT
#5367
On October 08 2015 00:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2015 00:02 KelsierSC wrote:
game was good , cohosting was fun.

I thought town was totally lost after day 2 but they turned it around somehow. I don't know if mafia made major mistakes or town played very well on day 3.

The mass exodus is concerning, I hope you can all be persuaded to return soon.



town was fucked had I not been randomly roleblocker. I was literally too scummy to be shot during the night and everything was planned around trying to kill me. lol. #bestbluerole2015


you were not really role blocked that was part of the lie...
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
October 07 2015 19:16 GMT
#5368
On October 08 2015 03:59 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2015 03:47 Damdred wrote:
I do wish that there were more games that used sanity btw Hts it would change blue roles slightly and cause some interesting checks.


http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Cop

I looked up sanities and I understand those basics but from reading I don't understand how they impact the blues aside from framers doing their normal thing. A godfather/miller by definition isn't blue so I am a bit confused...

...or do you mean it makes the DT role more interesting? I mean I get that insane might take a few days or so to figure out, but how often is anything (or should anything) other than sane/insane be used in normal minis or normal setups? Compared to you or some of the other long standing players/hosts I have yet to play a game with anything other than normal DTs (alignment or parity) here (Aperture 4 excepted, but we all know that game's roles are just way out there regardless).


I'd be hesitant to use naive or paranoid cop in general, especially in a closed setup unless it's made clear or there's a norm for this kind of role existing
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
October 07 2015 19:18 GMT
#5369
This is not a shot at shining (because we should have communicated better) but are entire plan revolved around shining playing the final day. We were going to bus (because bussing literately does not matter with no cop in lylo when you can just change your votes 1 min before deadline for the win)

I had hoped that the standard paranoia where everyone goes (SHIT EVERYONE WANTS SHINNIG DEAD HE CANT BE MAFIA) would kick in. For some reason this never happened (probably because he was afk) and I looked like a twat all day because I had no one to fight against and without that I was definitely howling. I did not want to fight against gb/rsos/rayn because I had them where I wanted them at the time and no real reason to scum read them.

Well ya I should have stayed on shining anyway but I wanted the game to end one way or the other that day ;p So when I realized you guys were not changing I said f this
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 07 2015 19:19 GMT
#5370
Geript talked to me about a setup that had a insane cop a naive cop and a normal cop in it. Perfect game . My idea was to make everyone millers as well.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
October 07 2015 19:28 GMT
#5371
On October 08 2015 04:19 Damdred wrote:
Geript talked to me about a setup that had a insane cop a naive cop and a normal cop in it. Perfect game . My idea was to make everyone millers as well.


How on earth would you balance that....that seems....interesting...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
coolTLname
Profile Joined January 2015
United States315 Posts
October 07 2015 22:51 GMT
#5372
WE WON ?!!?! :O .

Guess im 100% in mafia guise time to retire
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 07 2015 22:55 GMT
#5373
On October 08 2015 07:51 coolTLname wrote:
WE WON ?!!?! :O .

Guess im 100% in mafia guise time to retire

=D
you played super well for your first game (= sorry to push you so hard, but I needed you to die p:
If you want to continue, I'll advise you to play in the next newbie game. You know, the one you /out from and still didn't start! You will have a coach and that help sooooo much at the begining. Plus, I'm playing in it and I would be happy to play with you again; your resilience, posting so much when you were being pushed so hard for two days, was admirable. Come in if you want to play!
coolTLname
Profile Joined January 2015
United States315 Posts
October 08 2015 00:10 GMT
#5374
sure ^^
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
October 08 2015 02:52 GMT
#5375
On October 08 2015 02:20 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2015 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not quitting because i am a pussy.
I ma quitting because i don't enjoy playing with people who don't play.

I am playing fairly well as either alignment when people play (like XXX), and while i heavily disagree with the outcome of that game because it was for shit reasons, i agree with it. Like i should prolly killed other people or played better, or me and JAT should both played better on D1. But that game was actually a GAME, other games have felt like shit (in a sense that it's just -- boring) lately. deconduo game was good imo, except i didn't really get to play it because of the shit moosy pulled off. but it was a good game, for sure.

It is a miracle that it even was this close in the end. Eden was so unbelievably towny and he still got mislynched. The town lineup was next to impossible to defeat since it consisted almost entirely of player who are very easily townread. The only exception was prplhz and since town didn't know how mafia favored the setup really was he was considered confirmed town after the check. Koshis cop play was perfect.

But I not easily townrerad by people who haven't played with me that much though :\
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
October 08 2015 02:56 GMT
#5376
On October 08 2015 04:00 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2015 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
A few thoughts and comments:

In hindsight Damdred should have not claimed (obviously), but it would have been better even if scott was mafia. We could still have lynched another mafia, and regardless of scott's alignment him being alive on N1 it ensures Damdred gets a check. Mafia cannot roleblock him if scott is mafia, mafia will not roleblock him is scott is town. He will definitely not get strongarmed. I don't fault him for his decision, i would have probably done the same with the time left on the day phase, but it's just something that came to me a bit later....

I really really can't understand why people do not read and/or try to process what they read in certain situations. Nobody except for marv (and Rels but that's kinda irrelevant since he was mafia) understood my argument on J Roc (mainly looking at Damdred, Trfel and rsoultin here). I found out it very frustrating when i was saying "bananas are yellow", Damdred and Trfel come in and say "oranges are orange", and then rsoultin comes to say "Damdred is factually correct"................................... ugh. Please, try to understand the meaning behind the posts and thought process before you post. And this is not just for those people but to others aswell. That was just one of many examples.

I understand the argument behind shining read (that marv just pointed out -- and Trfel on D2). My problem is, like i said when the game ended, the last couple of games i have been too busy lynching stupidity. It's very hard for me to not lynch people who say the following stuff:
- first read in the game, "rayn is bussing sicklucker" [screw you motherfucker, I WAS EVEN RIGHT!!]
- some guy doesn't read the thread at all and makes bullshit argument for 72 hours and in the meantime claims "lynch all liars" and "people who don't read the thread are mafia".....
- some dude reads like only the last post in thread and follows the thread sentiment, then does VCA and ends up in a conclusion "this is how people voted". when you tell them to read the thread, they fucking mock you and somehow you are the reason they are not reading the thread in the first place... super terrible.
- "this dude counter-claims me in lylo, so i'll swap my read on him from mafia -> town" ?!?!?!?!?!?"?!"?!#¤#%(UDSJF....................

....over let's say shining, who was at least being reasonable with his posts. I understand this kinda stuff often comes from a townie, but at the same time, even if it does the town is gonna lose the game if those players are alive at the end of the game 100% (especially against Rels who was really really active here). I know this is a "shitty" thing to say but nowadays i end up lynching people who will lose the game for the town regardless of their alignment more than mafia, because they distract me from finding mafia. That's why i don't want to play anymore with people i consider to be in that category.

J Roc left scott in a really shitty position. For me there was nothing that could ever make me re-consired the read, regardless of what scott said. I am sorry for scott, but when i decide someone is mafia, there is no more "discussing", that phase is over, then i just try to lynch that player until something really extreme happens (like claim -- well that didn't really help here... ).

I liked the last day phase. The case/votes on GlowingBear basically solved the game (regardless of Rels/Moosy alignment). Rels you should have not claimed. I understand your reasoning but you have to think further. You didn't, obviously because you wanted to win the game there. That was a mistake because Shining was really really likely to be lynched anyways. Well played anyways.

sicklucker apparently says townie stuff only when he is pointing out who his scumbuddies are.
Thank you for making my game easier on D3.

Yeah, idk, it's nice to leave with a win but the game was still shit. Very shit.


Yes thats why you called me town the entire game


Maybe I Did. You should not have conceded you guys had a shot, but I do understand why you did. Gg
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-08 11:46:49
October 08 2015 11:46 GMT
#5377
On October 08 2015 07:55 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2015 07:51 coolTLname wrote:
WE WON ?!!?! :O .

Guess im 100% in mafia guise time to retire

=D
you played super well for your first game (= sorry to push you so hard, but I needed you to die p:
If you want to continue, I'll advise you to play in the next newbie game. You know, the one you /out from and still didn't start! You will have a coach and that help sooooo much at the begining. Plus, I'm playing in it and I would be happy to play with you again; your resilience, posting so much when you were being pushed so hard for two days, was admirable. Come in if you want to play!


Agreed, you did fairly well for being a newbie here, Rels is spot on with getting you into another newbie so you can learn how things go around here.

Whatever you do, no PMs though if you are town (and even mafia only to your fellow scummates).
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
NocturneMage
Profile Joined July 2015
United Kingdom1965 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-07 22:54:53
February 07 2016 22:54 GMT
#5378
edited
Vlad for life. SKT supporter. I policy lynch all dota players, end of.
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