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On October 08 2015 02:38 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2015 01:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 07 2015 21:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 07 2015 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 07 2015 21:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I would appeal to emotion but for some reason, people don't believe it. Then it makes you better (in that regards) than the people who are believed. It really does. Eh, usually when people go for that they were pushed too far. The line between playing to win as hard as possible and signing up just to have fun is one that's different for everyone. At some point, people break and they'll do so in a different way depending on their alignment. I don't think you can put the blame merely at those who crack. You may play to win, but the goal (in terms of why people sign up) is to have fun. ![[image loading]](http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/msty.gif) I totally get this and btw I am not condoning pushing people too far, but I actually play to win. Most people, when mafia, do not. For me this means stuff like being willing to lie about IRL stuff, emotions, about moving house, about depression, about feeling alone in the world and giving up on mafia, or even about eating dinner. Most people have lines they're not willing to cross as mafia even though they're willing to cross those lines as town which is understandable but also unfortunate.
You can play to win and also play to have fun.
I'm getting upset with this because although I do stuff that may seem stupid, they often bring good information to the thread. And when I was really in danger of being lynched I've managed to show I wasn't Mafia.
For example, rsoultin caught Rels when I claimed being roleblocker at night. Sicklucker looked most likely scum when he got off of Shining's wafon to join mine. If shining flipped red he was certainly dead in the next day.
I am carried in a lot of games, especially when I'm Mafia. ButI manage to have a good win/loss ratio. Usually it's because good players caught good information that I have developed. And that's what people fail to see in those "plays" I do.
Maybe NOT doing those plays is better? Maybe. But it is intentionally trolling just to throw the game? No, I'm still playing to win.
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On October 08 2015 02:39 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2015 02:33 rsoultin wrote:
thank you though gb <3
you solved the game for me, no joke lol >< i was kinda missing your fire from this game and it was a big reason why i kept swinging back and forth on your alignment. you brought the gb fire lol >< <3 Well, I am traveling and wasn't following the thread very closely after all. But I've made so many plays that couldn't have Mafia motivation behind it that I couldn't believe I was a wagon in LYLO
eh i was just seeing what happened tbh lol rather mean of me
like i didn't think we were going to end up lynching scum if i couldn't convince rayn to lynch either rels or sl, so i was just yolo voting with him since we weren't going to win if we split votes anyway
you were so obviously town though with the votes on you that even if i'd willfully tried to scumread you i couldn't xP so woot!
you're my spirit man lol ^^ i mean it. we see the same things more than you know; i just don't always give weight to them for various reasons
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On October 08 2015 02:46 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2015 02:39 GlowingBear wrote:On October 08 2015 02:33 rsoultin wrote:
thank you though gb <3
you solved the game for me, no joke lol >< i was kinda missing your fire from this game and it was a big reason why i kept swinging back and forth on your alignment. you brought the gb fire lol >< <3 Well, I am traveling and wasn't following the thread very closely after all. But I've made so many plays that couldn't have Mafia motivation behind it that I couldn't believe I was a wagon in LYLO eh i was just seeing what happened tbh lol rather mean of me like i didn't think we were going to end up lynching scum if i couldn't convince rayn to lynch either rels or sl, so i was just yolo voting with him since we weren't going to win if we split votes anyway you were so obviously town though with the votes on you that even if i'd willfully tried to scumread you i couldn't xP so woot! you're my spirit man lol ^^ i mean it. we see the same things more than you know; i just don't always give weight to them for various reasons
Marry me
I thought you could have been voting me just to pressure me lol and it worked. I mean, when I was screaming out of my lungs and nobody was here I thought maybe people are reading it and laughing at me hahaha
We have the eyes of chupazi
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On October 08 2015 02:45 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2015 02:38 Blazinghand wrote:On October 08 2015 01:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 07 2015 21:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 07 2015 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 07 2015 21:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I would appeal to emotion but for some reason, people don't believe it. Then it makes you better (in that regards) than the people who are believed. It really does. Eh, usually when people go for that they were pushed too far. The line between playing to win as hard as possible and signing up just to have fun is one that's different for everyone. At some point, people break and they'll do so in a different way depending on their alignment. I don't think you can put the blame merely at those who crack. You may play to win, but the goal (in terms of why people sign up) is to have fun. I totally get this and btw I am not condoning pushing people too far, but I actually play to win. Most people, when mafia, do not. For me this means stuff like being willing to lie about IRL stuff, emotions, about moving house, about depression, about feeling alone in the world and giving up on mafia, or even about eating dinner. Most people have lines they're not willing to cross as mafia even though they're willing to cross those lines as town which is understandable but also unfortunate. You can play to win and also play to have fun. I'm getting upset with this because although I do stuff that may seem stupid, they often bring good information to the thread. And when I was really in danger of being lynched I've managed to show I wasn't Mafia. For example, rsoultin caught Rels when I claimed being roleblocker at night. Sicklucker looked most likely scum when he got off of Shining's wafon to join mine. If shining flipped red he was certainly dead in the next day. I am carried in a lot of games, especially when I'm Mafia. ButI manage to have a good win/loss ratio. Usually it's because good players caught good information that I have developed. And that's what people fail to see in those "plays" I do. Maybe NOT doing those plays is better? Maybe. But it is intentionally trolling just to throw the game? No, I'm still playing to win.
Yes, sometimes doing something stupid by chance will lead to a good result. That doesn't mean it is good to do stupid things.
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On October 08 2015 02:50 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2015 02:46 rsoultin wrote:On October 08 2015 02:39 GlowingBear wrote:On October 08 2015 02:33 rsoultin wrote:
thank you though gb <3
you solved the game for me, no joke lol >< i was kinda missing your fire from this game and it was a big reason why i kept swinging back and forth on your alignment. you brought the gb fire lol >< <3 Well, I am traveling and wasn't following the thread very closely after all. But I've made so many plays that couldn't have Mafia motivation behind it that I couldn't believe I was a wagon in LYLO eh i was just seeing what happened tbh lol rather mean of me like i didn't think we were going to end up lynching scum if i couldn't convince rayn to lynch either rels or sl, so i was just yolo voting with him since we weren't going to win if we split votes anyway you were so obviously town though with the votes on you that even if i'd willfully tried to scumread you i couldn't xP so woot! you're my spirit man lol ^^ i mean it. we see the same things more than you know; i just don't always give weight to them for various reasons Marry me I thought you could have been voting me just to pressure me lol and it worked. I mean, when I was screaming out of my lungs and nobody was here I thought maybe people are reading it and laughing at me hahaha We have the eyes of chupazi
oh lord lol >< no i'm not that mean. i was in class. i came in and switched my vote the moment i caught up to the thread and called for rayn to come switch
no inhumane bear torture i promise <3
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On October 08 2015 02:52 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2015 02:45 GlowingBear wrote:On October 08 2015 02:38 Blazinghand wrote:On October 08 2015 01:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 07 2015 21:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 07 2015 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 07 2015 21:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I would appeal to emotion but for some reason, people don't believe it. Then it makes you better (in that regards) than the people who are believed. It really does. Eh, usually when people go for that they were pushed too far. The line between playing to win as hard as possible and signing up just to have fun is one that's different for everyone. At some point, people break and they'll do so in a different way depending on their alignment. I don't think you can put the blame merely at those who crack. You may play to win, but the goal (in terms of why people sign up) is to have fun. I totally get this and btw I am not condoning pushing people too far, but I actually play to win. Most people, when mafia, do not. For me this means stuff like being willing to lie about IRL stuff, emotions, about moving house, about depression, about feeling alone in the world and giving up on mafia, or even about eating dinner. Most people have lines they're not willing to cross as mafia even though they're willing to cross those lines as town which is understandable but also unfortunate. You can play to win and also play to have fun. I'm getting upset with this because although I do stuff that may seem stupid, they often bring good information to the thread. And when I was really in danger of being lynched I've managed to show I wasn't Mafia. For example, rsoultin caught Rels when I claimed being roleblocker at night. Sicklucker looked most likely scum when he got off of Shining's wafon to join mine. If shining flipped red he was certainly dead in the next day. I am carried in a lot of games, especially when I'm Mafia. ButI manage to have a good win/loss ratio. Usually it's because good players caught good information that I have developed. And that's what people fail to see in those "plays" I do. Maybe NOT doing those plays is better? Maybe. But it is intentionally trolling just to throw the game? No, I'm still playing to win. Yes, sometimes doing something stupid by chance will lead to a good result. That doesn't mean it is good to do stupid things.
Ok, but what I'm trying to convey is doing stupid stuff doesn't mean a player isn't trying to win
Anyone could play the game with simple logic. It just isn't fun. Going for the gr8 plays is way funnier. That's all.
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On October 08 2015 02:54 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2015 02:52 justanothertownie wrote:On October 08 2015 02:45 GlowingBear wrote:On October 08 2015 02:38 Blazinghand wrote:On October 08 2015 01:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 07 2015 21:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 07 2015 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 07 2015 21:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I would appeal to emotion but for some reason, people don't believe it. Then it makes you better (in that regards) than the people who are believed. It really does. Eh, usually when people go for that they were pushed too far. The line between playing to win as hard as possible and signing up just to have fun is one that's different for everyone. At some point, people break and they'll do so in a different way depending on their alignment. I don't think you can put the blame merely at those who crack. You may play to win, but the goal (in terms of why people sign up) is to have fun. I totally get this and btw I am not condoning pushing people too far, but I actually play to win. Most people, when mafia, do not. For me this means stuff like being willing to lie about IRL stuff, emotions, about moving house, about depression, about feeling alone in the world and giving up on mafia, or even about eating dinner. Most people have lines they're not willing to cross as mafia even though they're willing to cross those lines as town which is understandable but also unfortunate. You can play to win and also play to have fun. I'm getting upset with this because although I do stuff that may seem stupid, they often bring good information to the thread. And when I was really in danger of being lynched I've managed to show I wasn't Mafia. For example, rsoultin caught Rels when I claimed being roleblocker at night. Sicklucker looked most likely scum when he got off of Shining's wafon to join mine. If shining flipped red he was certainly dead in the next day. I am carried in a lot of games, especially when I'm Mafia. ButI manage to have a good win/loss ratio. Usually it's because good players caught good information that I have developed. And that's what people fail to see in those "plays" I do. Maybe NOT doing those plays is better? Maybe. But it is intentionally trolling just to throw the game? No, I'm still playing to win. Yes, sometimes doing something stupid by chance will lead to a good result. That doesn't mean it is good to do stupid things. Ok, but what I'm trying to convey is doing stupid stuff doesn't mean a player isn't trying to winAnyone could play the game with simple logic. It just isn't fun. Going for the gr8 plays is way funnier. That's all.
Cool. But not going for the great plays will actually win town more games and is the strictly better play. So yes, in a sense you aren't trying to win. At least if you know at that point that what you are doing is stupid.
It's not only about you. Maybe you think being retarded is funny but the other people on your team may think differently and THEY might have a lot less fun if they lose because of you.
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Marry me everyone!
It will leadf to good resylts!
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Blazinghand
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On October 08 2015 02:45 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2015 02:38 Blazinghand wrote:On October 08 2015 01:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 07 2015 21:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 07 2015 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 07 2015 21:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I would appeal to emotion but for some reason, people don't believe it. Then it makes you better (in that regards) than the people who are believed. It really does. Eh, usually when people go for that they were pushed too far. The line between playing to win as hard as possible and signing up just to have fun is one that's different for everyone. At some point, people break and they'll do so in a different way depending on their alignment. I don't think you can put the blame merely at those who crack. You may play to win, but the goal (in terms of why people sign up) is to have fun. I totally get this and btw I am not condoning pushing people too far, but I actually play to win. Most people, when mafia, do not. For me this means stuff like being willing to lie about IRL stuff, emotions, about moving house, about depression, about feeling alone in the world and giving up on mafia, or even about eating dinner. Most people have lines they're not willing to cross as mafia even though they're willing to cross those lines as town which is understandable but also unfortunate. You can play to win and also play to have fun. I'm getting upset with this because although I do stuff that may seem stupid, they often bring good information to the thread. And when I was really in danger of being lynched I've managed to show I wasn't Mafia. For example, rsoultin caught Rels when I claimed being roleblocker at night. Sicklucker looked most likely scum when he got off of Shining's wafon to join mine. If shining flipped red he was certainly dead in the next day. I am carried in a lot of games, especially when I'm Mafia. ButI manage to have a good win/loss ratio. Usually it's because good players caught good information that I have developed. And that's what people fail to see in those "plays" I do. Maybe NOT doing those plays is better? Maybe. But it is intentionally trolling just to throw the game? No, I'm still playing to win.
context: I have not read a single word of this game so this was definitely not a critique of your gameplay, i didn't even know you were in this game.
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On October 08 2015 02:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2015 02:54 GlowingBear wrote:On October 08 2015 02:52 justanothertownie wrote:On October 08 2015 02:45 GlowingBear wrote:On October 08 2015 02:38 Blazinghand wrote:On October 08 2015 01:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 07 2015 21:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 07 2015 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 07 2015 21:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I would appeal to emotion but for some reason, people don't believe it. Then it makes you better (in that regards) than the people who are believed. It really does. Eh, usually when people go for that they were pushed too far. The line between playing to win as hard as possible and signing up just to have fun is one that's different for everyone. At some point, people break and they'll do so in a different way depending on their alignment. I don't think you can put the blame merely at those who crack. You may play to win, but the goal (in terms of why people sign up) is to have fun. I totally get this and btw I am not condoning pushing people too far, but I actually play to win. Most people, when mafia, do not. For me this means stuff like being willing to lie about IRL stuff, emotions, about moving house, about depression, about feeling alone in the world and giving up on mafia, or even about eating dinner. Most people have lines they're not willing to cross as mafia even though they're willing to cross those lines as town which is understandable but also unfortunate. You can play to win and also play to have fun. I'm getting upset with this because although I do stuff that may seem stupid, they often bring good information to the thread. And when I was really in danger of being lynched I've managed to show I wasn't Mafia. For example, rsoultin caught Rels when I claimed being roleblocker at night. Sicklucker looked most likely scum when he got off of Shining's wafon to join mine. If shining flipped red he was certainly dead in the next day. I am carried in a lot of games, especially when I'm Mafia. ButI manage to have a good win/loss ratio. Usually it's because good players caught good information that I have developed. And that's what people fail to see in those "plays" I do. Maybe NOT doing those plays is better? Maybe. But it is intentionally trolling just to throw the game? No, I'm still playing to win. Yes, sometimes doing something stupid by chance will lead to a good result. That doesn't mean it is good to do stupid things. Ok, but what I'm trying to convey is doing stupid stuff doesn't mean a player isn't trying to winAnyone could play the game with simple logic. It just isn't fun. Going for the gr8 plays is way funnier. That's all. Cool. But not going for the great plays will actually win town more games and is the strictly better play. So yes, in a sense you aren't trying to win. At least if you know at that point that what you are doing is stupid. It's not only about you. Maybe you think being retarded is funny but the other people on your team may think differently and THEY might have a lot less fun if they lose because of you.
Well, that's their problem, not mine.
And it's very very easy to read me when I do those kind of things. Rayn lynched me when I was scum. Rsoultin can easily townread me. Truffle easily townread me. It's all about looking if I had Mafia motivation behind it and the fact is that I had none.
And no, if I choose to take a less effective path to win the game doesn't mean I'm not trying to win. That is a stretch of the concept. As I've said, some stupid moves CAN make me be scumread but it also can bring very good information in thread, in a game where information is everything.
Anyway, no use discussing this since I'm not willing to change my opinion not will you change yours. It's just a shame people take things so seriously that it influences their emotion. Life is already too serious to take this forum in such depressive way
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No GB. its very hard toi not lynch yiu when you do those things.
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On October 08 2015 03:08 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2015 02:58 justanothertownie wrote:On October 08 2015 02:54 GlowingBear wrote:On October 08 2015 02:52 justanothertownie wrote:On October 08 2015 02:45 GlowingBear wrote:On October 08 2015 02:38 Blazinghand wrote:On October 08 2015 01:22 GlowingBear wrote:On October 07 2015 21:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On October 07 2015 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 07 2015 21:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I would appeal to emotion but for some reason, people don't believe it. Then it makes you better (in that regards) than the people who are believed. It really does. Eh, usually when people go for that they were pushed too far. The line between playing to win as hard as possible and signing up just to have fun is one that's different for everyone. At some point, people break and they'll do so in a different way depending on their alignment. I don't think you can put the blame merely at those who crack. You may play to win, but the goal (in terms of why people sign up) is to have fun. I totally get this and btw I am not condoning pushing people too far, but I actually play to win. Most people, when mafia, do not. For me this means stuff like being willing to lie about IRL stuff, emotions, about moving house, about depression, about feeling alone in the world and giving up on mafia, or even about eating dinner. Most people have lines they're not willing to cross as mafia even though they're willing to cross those lines as town which is understandable but also unfortunate. You can play to win and also play to have fun. I'm getting upset with this because although I do stuff that may seem stupid, they often bring good information to the thread. And when I was really in danger of being lynched I've managed to show I wasn't Mafia. For example, rsoultin caught Rels when I claimed being roleblocker at night. Sicklucker looked most likely scum when he got off of Shining's wafon to join mine. If shining flipped red he was certainly dead in the next day. I am carried in a lot of games, especially when I'm Mafia. ButI manage to have a good win/loss ratio. Usually it's because good players caught good information that I have developed. And that's what people fail to see in those "plays" I do. Maybe NOT doing those plays is better? Maybe. But it is intentionally trolling just to throw the game? No, I'm still playing to win. Yes, sometimes doing something stupid by chance will lead to a good result. That doesn't mean it is good to do stupid things. Ok, but what I'm trying to convey is doing stupid stuff doesn't mean a player isn't trying to winAnyone could play the game with simple logic. It just isn't fun. Going for the gr8 plays is way funnier. That's all. Cool. But not going for the great plays will actually win town more games and is the strictly better play. So yes, in a sense you aren't trying to win. At least if you know at that point that what you are doing is stupid. It's not only about you. Maybe you think being retarded is funny but the other people on your team may think differently and THEY might have a lot less fun if they lose because of you. Well, that's their problem, not mine. And it's very very easy to read me when I do those kind of things. Rayn lynched me when I was scum. Rsoultin can easily townread me. Truffle easily townread me. It's all about looking if I had Mafia motivation behind it and the fact is that I had none. And no, if I choose to take a less effective path to win the game doesn't mean I'm not trying to win. That is a stretch of the concept. As I've said, some stupid moves CAN make me be scumread but it also can bring very good information in thread, in a game where information is everything. Anyway, no use discussing this since I'm not willing to change my opinion not will you change yours. It's just a shame people take things so seriously that it influences their emotion. Life is already too serious to take this forum in such depressive way
It isn't that easy. Best example: your attempt at a "great play" when you got yourself lynched instead of your redcheck.
But you are right - berating you is kinda pointless.
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
hey guys, let's try to be reasonably nice to each other, yeah? we're all TL mafia people here
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Just to say that I understand what you guys are saying 100%. I just don't feel like playing differently.
But I will try to do in the next game as I already said. I will give it a shot
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I was halfway tempted d2 to claim a red check on GB to see what happened. Great big plays am I right?
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On October 08 2015 03:24 Blazinghand wrote:
hey guys, let's try to be reasonably nice to each other, yeah? we're all TL mafia people here
I am not trying to be an ass to anyone. Sorry if it sounded that way.
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On October 08 2015 03:25 Damdred wrote:
I was halfway tempted d2 to claim a red check on GB to see what happened. Great big plays am I right?
Well it would make the game very spicy 
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I do wish that there were more games that used sanity btw Hts it would change blue roles slightly and cause some interesting checks.
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