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HF is using ad hom against confirmed townies. check
HF is throwing shit at townleader for no reason. check
The mafiaHF checklist grows and grows.
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On July 10 2015 05:55 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:53 Holyflare wrote:On July 10 2015 05:51 Harkon wrote:On July 10 2015 05:49 Holyflare wrote:On July 10 2015 05:49 Harkon wrote:On July 10 2015 05:48 boxerfred wrote:you will explain that after the game, right? assuming you're town ofc. Let him bus milo in peace already, jeez. you realise that if rsoultin and milo flip mafia you've been shutting me down from scum reading them at every turning point? i hope you do realise that When did I ever shut you down from scumreading milo? What the fuck does rsoultin have to do with this? Keep being unreasonable it will surely make me townread you. started pushing the milo tmi situation which is true and you decide that citing the last game where that happened would be apt instead of discussing it, pushed rsoultin and you decided that just because you were afk you couldn't talk about her at all in the slightest even though mz was ninja voting and the wagon was decided bla bla, i dislike playing with you for exactly these reasons because it happens every game and you're boring to play with because of it So bringing up an example where a case like yours was wrong is shutting you down now? Interesting. Currently you are the one who is unbearable.
You should know better than one event of it happening does not mean some other person doing it in another game in completely different circumstances means the same thing. Yet, whenever I post something you disagree with it's instant shit all over everything. "oh what's the point of this", "oh yeh that's shit", "oh no go look for yourself", "oh gosh you're unbearable", "oh look let that guy bus".
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On July 10 2015 05:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:48 milo109 wrote:On July 10 2015 05:43 Holyflare wrote:On July 10 2015 05:41 milo109 wrote:There is no lapse in logic. I said I had you as scum day 1. You said I did it for wrong reasons. That's an opinion, not fact, unlike my statement. There is lapse in logic. You said you scum read me for a reason which was wrong. I corrected that reason and you agreed. You still scum read me for that reason. You also did not have mz in your list of scum reads but you became so suddenly certain that MZ was mafia that you decided to base everything off of that. You ignore the fact that i'm pushing the majority of your scum reads and still scum read me. You can say "oh but mafia can push their buddies" like you did last time but there is absolutely no way that you think i'm mafia with both HtS AND rsoulting. No way. It doesn't make sense. You then say that even though I was pushing your scum list and the reason you originally scum read me for disappeared that I'm still scum anyway because my play is so obvious? What is so obvious about it and what makes it so scummy since you know, pushing your list of scum reads doesn't sound scummy to me. I think you have a misunderstanding of logic. I no longer scum read you because of that post. Logic is using facts to derive others. It's not about opinions. Unless I was blatantly lying, I had no lapse in logic. And I wasn't. I no longer think you are mafia with HtS and rsoultin. The thing about your play now is the way you stick by your reads even in the oddest of hypotheticals, in the weirdest of conspiracies, when common sense should tell you otherwise. Also.. this whole train of quotes is full of play that is either from the point of view of mafia, or a town that just wants to be called town instead of winning the game. No. You DID scum read me because of that post even after I corrected you. It's in my case right there for all to see, the quote you used. What's wrong with me sticking by my reads? I think marv pointed out excellent points on MZ at night and it made me rethink my read on you and decide that from your perspective as someone in your SECOND game that coming up with "that was definitely a deflection off of mafia mz" before mz had even really done anything (and his posts weren't that bad at the time) made absolutely no sense in the slightest. That is your first instance of TMI. Then, today, you fake claim on clarity and get a towny reaction from it and still call him mafia for nothing. You see damdred getting screwed over by Geript and in a world where you see JAT getting shot as veteran you STILL call damdred town????? It doesn't make sense at all. You seem to think that there is a veteran a banisher a jailkeeper and 2 cops and that's all been revealed in one/two cycles? Every post you make just oozes of you knowing what happened at night and making decisions based off of that. There is no confusion behind your posts.
There is no confusion because this entire game has been about whether or not the claims are real. And I know that I am real. Also, obviously the switch off of MZ was suspicious. I tried to freaking lynch him. Read my past posts if you want to know why it was suspicious. I'm off to make a case on Scott.
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i think you two should kiss, break the tension
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On July 10 2015 05:56 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:44 ritoky wrote:On July 10 2015 05:42 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 10 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote:
I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align.... If damdred is town JK, milo is scum and scum roleblocker hit you as well. Can you explain this to me more thoroughly please. So a scenario in which damdred is JK, harkon is vet and milo is scum: 1 kp on marv 1 kp on harkon damdred JK > ritoky scum RB > ritoky milo claims he was roleblocked. Tah dah, a scenario where damdred is town and it all fits. Like I don't believe it's the case, but it's possible, just saying.
My problem with this is that I think milo is cop for a very admittedly stupid reason, but it is the unshakable kinda stupid....so there's that...
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On July 10 2015 06:01 milo109 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:58 Holyflare wrote:On July 10 2015 05:48 milo109 wrote:On July 10 2015 05:43 Holyflare wrote:On July 10 2015 05:41 milo109 wrote:There is no lapse in logic. I said I had you as scum day 1. You said I did it for wrong reasons. That's an opinion, not fact, unlike my statement. There is lapse in logic. You said you scum read me for a reason which was wrong. I corrected that reason and you agreed. You still scum read me for that reason. You also did not have mz in your list of scum reads but you became so suddenly certain that MZ was mafia that you decided to base everything off of that. You ignore the fact that i'm pushing the majority of your scum reads and still scum read me. You can say "oh but mafia can push their buddies" like you did last time but there is absolutely no way that you think i'm mafia with both HtS AND rsoulting. No way. It doesn't make sense. You then say that even though I was pushing your scum list and the reason you originally scum read me for disappeared that I'm still scum anyway because my play is so obvious? What is so obvious about it and what makes it so scummy since you know, pushing your list of scum reads doesn't sound scummy to me. I think you have a misunderstanding of logic. I no longer scum read you because of that post. Logic is using facts to derive others. It's not about opinions. Unless I was blatantly lying, I had no lapse in logic. And I wasn't. I no longer think you are mafia with HtS and rsoultin. The thing about your play now is the way you stick by your reads even in the oddest of hypotheticals, in the weirdest of conspiracies, when common sense should tell you otherwise. Also.. this whole train of quotes is full of play that is either from the point of view of mafia, or a town that just wants to be called town instead of winning the game. No. You DID scum read me because of that post even after I corrected you. It's in my case right there for all to see, the quote you used. What's wrong with me sticking by my reads? I think marv pointed out excellent points on MZ at night and it made me rethink my read on you and decide that from your perspective as someone in your SECOND game that coming up with "that was definitely a deflection off of mafia mz" before mz had even really done anything (and his posts weren't that bad at the time) made absolutely no sense in the slightest. That is your first instance of TMI. Then, today, you fake claim on clarity and get a towny reaction from it and still call him mafia for nothing. You see damdred getting screwed over by Geript and in a world where you see JAT getting shot as veteran you STILL call damdred town????? It doesn't make sense at all. You seem to think that there is a veteran a banisher a jailkeeper and 2 cops and that's all been revealed in one/two cycles? Every post you make just oozes of you knowing what happened at night and making decisions based off of that. There is no confusion behind your posts. There is no confusion because this entire game has been about whether or not the claims are real. And I know that I am real. Also, obviously the switch off of MZ was suspicious. I tried to freaking lynch him. Read my past posts if you want to know why it was suspicious. I'm off to make a case on Scott.
How on earth was it suspicious in the slightest? MZ starts posting, Bill Murray has posted nothing and has claimed wanderer as mafia in the past. Why is that suspicious and don't you dare just say go check my past posts. Re-answer this if you have already because I don't see anything suspicious about it in the slightest.
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Hi guys, so I think we should move votes off me and onto Milo or Rsoultin, maybe lightning strike
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On July 10 2015 05:59 Harkon wrote:
HF is using ad hom against confirmed townies. check
HF is throwing shit at townleader for no reason. check
The mafiaHF checklist grows and grows.
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I wont let you guys lynch me that easily.
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On July 10 2015 06:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 05:55 Harkon wrote:On July 10 2015 05:53 Holyflare wrote:On July 10 2015 05:51 Harkon wrote:On July 10 2015 05:49 Holyflare wrote:On July 10 2015 05:49 Harkon wrote:On July 10 2015 05:48 boxerfred wrote:you will explain that after the game, right? assuming you're town ofc. Let him bus milo in peace already, jeez. you realise that if rsoultin and milo flip mafia you've been shutting me down from scum reading them at every turning point? i hope you do realise that When did I ever shut you down from scumreading milo? What the fuck does rsoultin have to do with this? Keep being unreasonable it will surely make me townread you. started pushing the milo tmi situation which is true and you decide that citing the last game where that happened would be apt instead of discussing it, pushed rsoultin and you decided that just because you were afk you couldn't talk about her at all in the slightest even though mz was ninja voting and the wagon was decided bla bla, i dislike playing with you for exactly these reasons because it happens every game and you're boring to play with because of it So bringing up an example where a case like yours was wrong is shutting you down now? Interesting. Currently you are the one who is unbearable. You should know better than one event of it happening does not mean some other person doing it in another game in completely different circumstances means the same thing. Yet, whenever I post something you disagree with it's instant shit all over everything. "oh what's the point of this", "oh yeh that's shit", "oh no go look for yourself", "oh gosh you're unbearable", "oh look let that guy bus".
Dude, you were the one starting the bm. I also never personally insulted you I am just calling you mafia. You have no moral ground to stand on. End of discussion.
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On July 10 2015 06:03 Damdred wrote:
Hi guys, so I think we should move votes off me and onto Milo or Rsoultin, maybe lightning strike
Paint me your likely scenario of night actions this past night.
Also open to hearing cases on LS and rsoul.
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You don't even think for a second about anything i've done this game and instead throw in little shitty quips that clearly just derail anything i'm doing and call me mafia for the sake of it, it's frustrating as fuck
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On July 10 2015 06:05 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 06:03 Damdred wrote:
Hi guys, so I think we should move votes off me and onto Milo or Rsoultin, maybe lightning strike Paint me your likely scenario of night actions this past night.Also open to hearing cases on LS and rsoul.
i like this
also how you rationalise 3 protective roles, if that's what you do
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On July 10 2015 06:03 LightningStrike wrote:
I wont let you guys lynch me that easily.
so you're here and reading and electing to contribute nothing. isn't that your mafia meta?
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I've said a few things about ls honestly. Not doing anything, no meta. Town reading me for things and when the opportunity presented itself,he turns it around to justify a vote
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On July 08 2015 05:30 Holyflare wrote:
plz
rsoultin hasn't really given ANY scum reads other than me
rsoultin said she had a hard on for lynching people she thought was scummy because she likes being correct
rsoultin cases me
rsoultin asks marv if i'm scum
marv says no
rsoultin completely drops it and never makes another read again
11 pages, what reads do you remember her making?
On July 08 2015 05:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 07:57 rsoultin wrote:
do i really need to be all collegiate again cause that worked so well last time when y'all ignored my scumread on marv that was completely baller for someone who says the above and then writes this post: + Show Spoiler +On July 07 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 15:26 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 15:22 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 15:19 Trfel wrote:On July 06 2015 15:17 Holyflare wrote:
Uh oh trfel Hm? It seems you are suffering from consecutivemafiarollingitis and are subsequently burnt out. I am sorry for your loss. I will never back down from this busread. It's far too similar to what I used to experience and what I would be posting in that situation. You can read the thread all you want but just get this in your head. All the effort you can muster for this second game in a row will be futile. Have fun  Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:00 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 15:55 Trfel wrote:On July 06 2015 15:54 Holyflare wrote:Hey, your vote means nothing anyway right? What harm is it following me for a bit? I thought you were never ever going to change your read on me no matter what? Who says my vote will be changing and why would that matter? I know it's hard man. I feel your pain i really do. You're in the trolling and pointing out irrelevant crap for the sake of it part of the mafiarollingitis waiting for a scummy post or your motivation to reappear. It will happen later but it's already too late for you. Rest dear boy. Your time shall come again next game. Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:37 Holyflare wrote:
I also have no idea why you repeatedly jump to people's defences before they even speak for themselves. Not only does it inhibit people playing the game and getting their groove on but it constantly gives the people under pressure multiple outs and feelings of less pressure. Back off and go to bed. You're messing with things you don't understand. Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:44 Holyflare wrote:
What shitty logic "i know this guy best so just stop playing the game that you play where you have no information and instead of quizzing people and letting them post I'll just disregard it and blindly defend them!"
There's a reason people seemingly ignore your posts and that's the majority of the reason why. "you're 100% scum no matter what you do hahaha" "shut up bitch stop interfering with my quizzing" not only was that blatant misrepresentation of what i was doing, but it started with me saying this? like, seriously? Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:23 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 16:21 Breshke wrote:On July 06 2015 16:19 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 16:14 Breshke wrote:
But nah rsoul i like damdys read so meh
I jsut don't see how you said "keep pretending this is what my problem is" when from the initial post you didn't say anything about damdred and i later explained that i voted not for my own reason but for damdreds.
Trefel what are you doing? i missed the vote like you say early votes mean jack shit, and it was just to show how much you agreed with damdy's point. that's a pretty damn strong agreement, and wasn't the impression i got when i first read your posting. i don't get why you think damdy calling ls lazy a few pages into the game is good, certainly not that goodso basically it comes down to strength of agreement Okay i follow. You were right in your last post when you said you dont care to pursue this i jsut became really bored with it aswell. Watcha think of trefel and why isn't HF trying to get you to vote him xP could get that from reading the thread i've already said i doubt trfel is scum (tone! \o/) and hf isn't an imbecile lol >< i'm stubborn as hell Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:28 rsoultin wrote:
or maybe he's already forgotten how stubborn i am, after all lol ><
pretty sure that wasn't the purpose of those questions hf xP but i'm not going to speak for him pretty damn obvious to anyone with a brain that all i was saying there was i didn't agree, and he comes back with: Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though. so not only is hf misrepresenting me, but he's going out of his way to be a dick about it at the same time, and if this is his idea of just "pressuring" or "quizzing" someone, it's sure not coming through in his posts i'm not usually this fucking paranoid, but after last game when hf and bugs spent d1/n1 deliberately shitting on me and trying to throw me on tilt... especially with how well we usually get along when he's town, i highly doubt this is town hf and i really don't care if the rest of you are too chicken shit to push him i'm tired of getting nkd and watching hf win again and again has trfel posted anything amazing? no. does that make him scum? no. i read him by his off-brand of humor and a few other indicators...i usually get a solid read on him within his first page of filter. i'm good at it. i don't give a damn if you question him, but hell if you're going to bully me into shutting up by slinging shit at me, hf Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 03:05 rsoultin wrote:On July 07 2015 03:04 Holyflare wrote:On July 07 2015 03:02 rsoultin wrote:On July 07 2015 02:59 Holyflare wrote:
i've read his filter and he actually plays the game which he has yet to do despite actually being here. lol >< and you started in on him before he'd even gotten a chance to settle in? of course he eventually did stuff, and i fully expect him to again this game talk about something else we're never going to agree on this no thanks fine ^^ when can we lynch hf? Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 03:44 rsoultin wrote:On July 07 2015 03:41 marvellosity wrote:On July 07 2015 03:39 rsoultin wrote:On July 07 2015 03:37 marvellosity wrote:On July 07 2015 03:36 rsoultin wrote:
why is hf town marv? i think he's town because i intuitively grasp his reads, both scum and town, which has worked pretty reliably for me in the past so mindmeld...how good is this read of yours? like in rough percentage? god. like 80%? normally what has happened is that i have a good read on HF early and then other people make me wrongly doubt it. like if HF starts pushing things i don't see then i'll reconsider, but i've not seen that yet. like it's *possible* he just happened to pick out a bunch of townreads that were the same i hadn't mentioned yet because he's just that good, but meeeeeh nh i haven't played as many games with him as you have. but the shitfight thing is a perfect read so far, and it was better than yours in ippo. i dunnae...i'll just sit on it i guess does that look like the equivalent response??? then there's a shit fight about trfel and we get: Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 09:38 rsoultin wrote:On July 07 2015 09:34 Harkon wrote:On July 07 2015 09:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso and Hf stop fighting.
You make the thread unreadable when you fight like this. ^ Especially rsoultin stop defending people for no reason if you aren't going to explain anything. do you have any clue how frustrating this is? HOLYFLARE IS MAFIA maybe the all-caps will make this get through your thick skulls i'm not fucking defending truffle i'm saying hf is fucking mafia for the way he's approaching this >< whatever i'm not doing this anymore you guys keep being obtuse and then she just talks to me normally right after discussing all the reads?? it's so irrational + Show Spoiler +maybe because she's a woman, probably because she's mafia
On July 08 2015 05:54 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 05:51 Half the Sky wrote:HF, since you asked.... On July 08 2015 05:34 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 05:30 Holyflare wrote:
plz
rsoultin hasn't really given ANY scum reads other than me
rsoultin said she had a hard on for lynching people she thought was scummy because she likes being correct
rsoultin cases me
rsoultin asks marv if i'm scum
marv says no
rsoultin completely drops it and never makes another read again
11 pages, what reads do you remember her making? On July 06 2015 23:11 rsoultin wrote:
Lol ruxx/hf prob scum
Get rekt
To the rest of y'all...learn to read Pushes ruxxar after that. Is doubting that Damdred is town.... If you're going to argue that she hasn't been memorable that's a different argument I have to filter dive her to look at her other reads besides you.... On July 07 2015 03:22 rsoultin wrote:On July 07 2015 03:17 rsoultin wrote:
harkon, what you got?
you've been hanging back, and only one person i know i'm actually fine letting that slide with cause that's how he plays, but i don't think you're him anymore disregard i'm possibly just being more paranoid about ruxxar, because some of the biggest clues to his scumgame, apart from that damning post end-game in his first newbie where he basically described how he was playing mafia in himalayas to the world lol ><, were in the wording
he had a completely unnatural reaction to holyflare's "but i'm town guys really" whining in particular
i could retrieve the post
like my only reservation on the whole wording thing really is that it might be a language thing, but i didn't like the combination with the soft push when everyone was up my ass The only question I have after going through her filter is how/why she drops the ruxxar read for milo. Or rather why she drops the ruxxar read altogether. She talks about ruxxar quite a bit in her filter. And I don't think her read on Damdred was hard scum but she had concerns on it. I don't think I'd lynch her without her talking about that stuff though. yes obviously she has some scum reads but they are based on useless crap like the phrasing of ruxxar's post that isn't even weird in the slightest and meant nothing and that's about it, it's not intuitive of deep at all
^ the above is weird because how can anyone that played with ruxxar last game say that ruxxar is mafia this game and she is the person that prides herself on shitty tone reads
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On July 10 2015 06:05 Holyflare wrote:
You don't even think for a second about anything i've done this game and instead throw in little shitty quips that clearly just derail anything i'm doing and call me mafia for the sake of it, it's frustrating as fuck
okay, so you're VT, and you did contribute greatly.
If you want me to believe that, please show me where you contributed greatly. I remember your VT claim and I initially didn't believe, then I believed, now I have doubts again: combination of Hark's arguments, you reading me scum (since I'm town) and the fact that several people believe you're a great scum player, making you capable of faking that claim.
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ah you sniped me. gonna read through that, given it's supposed to be a list of your contributions?
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Damdred (15): XEliteBlueHunter69X, scott31337, Harkon, Half the Sky, rsoultin, WaveofShadow, Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, ruXxar, LightningStrike, geript, Boxerfred, Meapak_Ziphh, KelsierSC, ObiWanShinobi
Milo109 (2): Holyflare, Breshke
Clarity_nl (1): Damdred
Holyflare (1): Milo109
Not Voting (4): marvellosity, vivax, ritoky, Trfel, Oatsmaster
Currently, Damdred is set to be lynched. With 23 alive it takes 12 to lynch. Day ends at Friday, Jul 10 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .
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