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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:51 GMT
#4281
On July 10 2015 05:50 milo109 wrote:
Unless we are mafia partners or you are cheating, there is no way to know 100%.


what if i told you i was cheating and know you're mafia?
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 09 2015 20:51 GMT
#4282
On July 10 2015 05:49 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:49 Harkon wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:48 boxerfred wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:47 Holyflare wrote:
I can be 100% sure

you will explain that after the game, right? assuming you're town ofc.

Let him bus milo in peace already, jeez.


you realise that if rsoultin and milo flip mafia you've been shutting me down from scum reading them at every turning point? i hope you do realise that

When did I ever shut you down from scumreading milo? What the fuck does rsoultin have to do with this?
Keep being unreasonable it will surely make me townread you.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2015 20:51 GMT
#4283
On July 10 2015 05:51 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:50 milo109 wrote:
Unless we are mafia partners or you are cheating, there is no way to know 100%.


what if i told you i was cheating and know you're mafia?

Holy -.-

cmon man
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 09 2015 20:52 GMT
#4284
On July 10 2015 05:42 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:40 milo109 wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:36 marvellosity wrote:

There is no "Harkon is bothering me". you either think he's lying about his claim or you do not.

There is no grey.


Of course there is grey. This is mafia. The game is about the grey. I think he is lying, but the odds tell me he is not. So I'm willing to wait for more evidence until I call him scum.

on what basis do you think he is lying?


The use of the TMI argument on me. I think it's really quite indicative of mafia. Don't like the way he has been sheeping HF, and haven't liked his posts. That's all. Not enough to be certain.
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 09 2015 20:52 GMT
#4285
On July 10 2015 05:51 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:50 milo109 wrote:
Unless we are mafia partners or you are cheating, there is no way to know 100%.


what if i told you i was cheating and know you're mafia?

This is getting disgusting.
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 09 2015 20:53 GMT
#4286
On July 10 2015 05:51 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:50 milo109 wrote:
Unless we are mafia partners or you are cheating, there is no way to know 100%.


what if i told you i was cheating and know you're mafia?

Then I'd say you were bad at it.
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 09 2015 20:53 GMT
#4287
On July 10 2015 05:52 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:42 marvellosity wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:40 milo109 wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:36 marvellosity wrote:

There is no "Harkon is bothering me". you either think he's lying about his claim or you do not.

There is no grey.


Of course there is grey. This is mafia. The game is about the grey. I think he is lying, but the odds tell me he is not. So I'm willing to wait for more evidence until I call him scum.

on what basis do you think he is lying?


The use of the TMI argument on me. I think it's really quite indicative of mafia. Don't like the way he has been sheeping HF, and haven't liked his posts. That's all. Not enough to be certain.

rofl
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:53 GMT
#4288
On July 10 2015 05:51 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:49 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:49 Harkon wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:48 boxerfred wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:47 Holyflare wrote:
I can be 100% sure

you will explain that after the game, right? assuming you're town ofc.

Let him bus milo in peace already, jeez.


you realise that if rsoultin and milo flip mafia you've been shutting me down from scum reading them at every turning point? i hope you do realise that

When did I ever shut you down from scumreading milo? What the fuck does rsoultin have to do with this?
Keep being unreasonable it will surely make me townread you.


started pushing the milo tmi situation which is true and you decide that citing the last game where that happened would be apt instead of discussing it, pushed rsoultin and you decided that just because you were afk you couldn't talk about her at all in the slightest even though mz was ninja voting and the wagon was decided

bla bla, i dislike playing with you for exactly these reasons because it happens every game and you're boring to play with because of it
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 09 2015 20:54 GMT
#4289
Ok i'm caught up.

I skimmed it so I need to look at some filters.

##vote Damdred

sorry for being AFK the past few days.

Zerg for Life
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 09 2015 20:54 GMT
#4290
On July 10 2015 05:50 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:48 scott31337 wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:44 milo109 wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:40 Holyflare wrote:

You know what's unpleasant? Knowing you're 100% mafia and having to listen to you write all of these posts that require responding to.

Dispute the case that I just presented to you.


The fun of this game is being able to argue your point of view out over those you think are scum. Not using hyperbole and hysterics to attempt to derail any conversation. You can't know I'm 100% mafia, because I'm not. Even if you were cop and had a red check on me, you still could not be certain due to the framer. So do me and the rest of town a favor and be willing to consider that 1% .1% chance that I'm town.


Oh so there is a Framer, thanks bud....

erm that's actually as close a TMI as it gets, yep

If you hadn't noticed, I've had to type quite fast to answer all of this. There is the possibility of the framer, which is what I meant.
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 09 2015 20:55 GMT
#4291
On July 10 2015 05:53 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:51 Harkon wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:49 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:49 Harkon wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:48 boxerfred wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:47 Holyflare wrote:
I can be 100% sure

you will explain that after the game, right? assuming you're town ofc.

Let him bus milo in peace already, jeez.


you realise that if rsoultin and milo flip mafia you've been shutting me down from scum reading them at every turning point? i hope you do realise that

When did I ever shut you down from scumreading milo? What the fuck does rsoultin have to do with this?
Keep being unreasonable it will surely make me townread you.


started pushing the milo tmi situation which is true and you decide that citing the last game where that happened would be apt instead of discussing it, pushed rsoultin and you decided that just because you were afk you couldn't talk about her at all in the slightest even though mz was ninja voting and the wagon was decided

bla bla, i dislike playing with you for exactly these reasons because it happens every game and you're boring to play with because of it

So bringing up an example where a case like yours was wrong is shutting you down now? Interesting. Currently you are the one who is unbearable.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 09 2015 20:55 GMT
#4292
Will be afk until later.
Guess we're killing Damdred. I'm okay with that, as stated.

MZ either gets vig'd or gets lynched tomorrow. Either way, I'm happy.
Retired.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 09 2015 20:56 GMT
#4293
On July 10 2015 05:54 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:50 boxerfred wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:48 scott31337 wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:44 milo109 wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:40 Holyflare wrote:

You know what's unpleasant? Knowing you're 100% mafia and having to listen to you write all of these posts that require responding to.

Dispute the case that I just presented to you.


The fun of this game is being able to argue your point of view out over those you think are scum. Not using hyperbole and hysterics to attempt to derail any conversation. You can't know I'm 100% mafia, because I'm not. Even if you were cop and had a red check on me, you still could not be certain due to the framer. So do me and the rest of town a favor and be willing to consider that 1% .1% chance that I'm town.


Oh so there is a Framer, thanks bud....

erm that's actually as close a TMI as it gets, yep

If you hadn't noticed, I've had to type quite fast to answer all of this. There is the possibility of the framer, which is what I meant.

are you in a hurry? take your time to read and think.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 09 2015 20:56 GMT
#4294
On July 10 2015 05:44 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote:
I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align....


If damdred is town JK, milo is scum and scum roleblocker hit you as well.


Can you explain this to me more thoroughly please.


So a scenario in which damdred is JK, harkon is vet and milo is scum:

1 kp on marv
1 kp on harkon
damdred JK > ritoky
scum RB > ritoky
milo claims he was roleblocked.

Tah dah, a scenario where damdred is town and it all fits.


Like I don't believe it's the case, but it's possible, just saying.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 09 2015 20:57 GMT
#4295
For the love of God, please just do this milo. If you're town this argument is just shitting up the thread right now:

On July 10 2015 05:50 ritoky wrote:
Hey milo, can you make an accusation on one of your other scum reads instead?


scott, BF, clarity, and MZ were all on your list. pick one and go.

“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
July 09 2015 20:57 GMT
#4296
On July 10 2015 05:56 boxerfred wrote:
are you in a hurry? take your time to read and think.

I have dinner soon. And there hasn't been much to think about. Holy's accusations are not exactly stimulating.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2015 20:57 GMT
#4297
On July 10 2015 05:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:44 ritoky wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote:
I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align....


If damdred is town JK, milo is scum and scum roleblocker hit you as well.


Can you explain this to me more thoroughly please.


So a scenario in which damdred is JK, harkon is vet and milo is scum:

1 kp on marv
1 kp on harkon
damdred JK > ritoky
scum RB > ritoky
milo claims he was roleblocked.

Tah dah, a scenario where damdred is town and it all fits.


Like I don't believe it's the case, but it's possible, just saying.

quite possible, yes, it only relies on Damdred being a silly.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 09 2015 20:58 GMT
#4298
On July 10 2015 05:48 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:43 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:41 milo109 wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:36 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=212#4222

respond to this milo because it quite blatantly points out your lapse in logic


There is no lapse in logic. I said I had you as scum day 1. You said I did it for wrong reasons. That's an opinion, not fact, unlike my statement.


There is lapse in logic. You said you scum read me for a reason which was wrong. I corrected that reason and you agreed. You still scum read me for that reason. You also did not have mz in your list of scum reads but you became so suddenly certain that MZ was mafia that you decided to base everything off of that. You ignore the fact that i'm pushing the majority of your scum reads and still scum read me. You can say "oh but mafia can push their buddies" like you did last time but there is absolutely no way that you think i'm mafia with both HtS AND rsoulting. No way. It doesn't make sense.

You then say that even though I was pushing your scum list and the reason you originally scum read me for disappeared that I'm still scum anyway because my play is so obvious? What is so obvious about it and what makes it so scummy since you know, pushing your list of scum reads doesn't sound scummy to me.


I think you have a misunderstanding of logic. I no longer scum read you because of that post. Logic is using facts to derive others. It's not about opinions. Unless I was blatantly lying, I had no lapse in logic. And I wasn't. I no longer think you are mafia with HtS and rsoultin. The thing about your play now is the way you stick by your reads even in the oddest of hypotheticals, in the weirdest of conspiracies, when common sense should tell you otherwise. Also.. this whole train of quotes is full of play that is either from the point of view of mafia, or a town that just wants to be called town instead of winning the game.


No. You DID scum read me because of that post even after I corrected you. It's in my case right there for all to see, the quote you used. What's wrong with me sticking by my reads? I think marv pointed out excellent points on MZ at night and it made me rethink my read on you and decide that from your perspective as someone in your SECOND game that coming up with "that was definitely a deflection off of mafia mz" before mz had even really done anything (and his posts weren't that bad at the time) made absolutely no sense in the slightest. That is your first instance of TMI.

Then, today, you fake claim on clarity and get a towny reaction from it and still call him mafia for nothing. You see damdred getting screwed over by Geript and in a world where you see JAT getting shot as veteran you STILL call damdred town????? It doesn't make sense at all. You seem to think that there is a veteran a banisher a jailkeeper and 2 cops and that's all been revealed in one/two cycles? Every post you make just oozes of you knowing what happened at night and making decisions based off of that. There is no confusion behind your posts.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
July 09 2015 20:58 GMT
#4299
On July 10 2015 05:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:44 ritoky wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote:
I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align....


If damdred is town JK, milo is scum and scum roleblocker hit you as well.


Can you explain this to me more thoroughly please.


So a scenario in which damdred is JK, harkon is vet and milo is scum:

1 kp on marv
1 kp on harkon
damdred JK > ritoky
scum RB > ritoky
milo claims he was roleblocked.

Tah dah, a scenario where damdred is town and it all fits.


Like I don't believe it's the case, but it's possible, just saying.


i assume you mean palmar instead of marv here
Zerg for Life
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 09 2015 20:58 GMT
#4300
On July 10 2015 05:58 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 05:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:44 ritoky wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:25 ritoky wrote:
I mean, I kinda have to believe damdred is mafia here...I spent the past bit trying to comprehend why he would JK me and outside of using it on me cuz of the relationship we have I can't particularly justify it. But looking at it from the other angle is more troubling. If damdred was the JK, that means that the mafia fully intended for 1 investigation to go through and they chose mine over milo's. I can't really comprehend that. I understand that it is an acceptable statistical risk to take and the math makes sense; but on the chance one of the cops finds a red target why would you prefer to get into a yelling match with me rather than milo? No offense to milo, but I can yell, kick, scream, and throw a fit better than he can. And it is not like my claim is so much shadier than his to where I have so much less credit to where I am a better option in that regard. I just don't get it. Especially now that I learned there was 0 kp on me....I just am having a hard time trying to see a scenario where the stars align....


If damdred is town JK, milo is scum and scum roleblocker hit you as well.


Can you explain this to me more thoroughly please.


So a scenario in which damdred is JK, harkon is vet and milo is scum:

1 kp on marv
1 kp on harkon
damdred JK > ritoky
scum RB > ritoky
milo claims he was roleblocked.

Tah dah, a scenario where damdred is town and it all fits.


Like I don't believe it's the case, but it's possible, just saying.


i assume you mean palmar instead of marv here


Yeah my bad
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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