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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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fruity.
England1711 Posts
The design seems cleaner. Though as others have mentioned the lack of calendar is an issue. Even if I don't login to post (being more of a lurker than poster) I'll often come here to see if there's any streams I want to watch. For me this is integral and one of the best features of TL - a global source for what's happening. The livestream section seems a bit on the large side too, the compactness of the current method is more ideal in my most humble opinion. I guess the only layout features that I currently don't like, is the narrowness, and split sidebars. But a lot of this can be reduced should one choose through settings. ClanBase was similar in this respect, though perhaps more guilty as there'd be a long sidebar, with not much meat in the middle, something I recall mentioning to Tal. Have to add though I think the concept is great, clearly thought and time has gone into it, and that has to be a good thing. Good job!  | ||
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zdfgucker
China594 Posts
I think the current design (speaking strictly of LD, I don't visit the other sites anymore) is perfect, my only gripe is that the website should be more customizable (i.e. allow me to drag certain parts of the website up or down - tl;dr change the order). Probably also optimized for mobile, but I don't use that so I don't know. | ||
[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Now, the redesing not necesarily needs to be something extreme. I personally think using liquidlegends as a base would be pretty good, as that site looks very modern, while mantaining the familiarity of tl.net Of course that site is not perfect. When you go there it looks nice, but once you scroll down it looks progressively worse and ends up with big unsuded spaces to the sides, just as this one. The left sidebars don¿'t display as much info as this, therefore using the forums that don't appear there becomes 2 or 3 clicks more difficult, but that has the effect of having a considerable ammount of people not using them. I liked your design in general. The calendar would be a nice addition, and on the featured articles, I think the top bar the one that says features, store etc, should remain in the color of the site. Idk if you are TL staff, but since chances are they are reding this I'll say it anyway. Just redesigning each of the sites is simply not enough. Tl is decreasing in popularity and the other sites apart from liquiddota don't have a lot of succes, because of this TL needs to go back to the drawing board to re-create their game coverage sites. I want other people to experience the good experiences I've had on TL.net, but it is not posible right now with the unsuccesful site expansion tl has had. The rumored esporthub needs to come sooner than later. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On May 26 2015 06:39 [Phantom] wrote: Don't listen to the people that don't want a redesign. Most people are always confortable with something that is familiar and are oposed to change, but a redesing of TL would not only be good, it is a necessity. Why? | ||
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
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BookTwo
1985 Posts
Just to clear this up: I'm not TL staff. As mentioned this is an unsolicited redesign. I'm getting the vibe from some comments that people might be 'waiting for this to happen'. Or you've worded your post like I'm part of the staff. I'm not I've quickly realised that you guys like information density. Information density works very well once you get used to it. I've been using TL for 6 years and know it like the back of my hand. We should keep the first users experience in mind. This assists in growing a user base. For those of us that were here during BW's golden age, we can navigate with our eyes closed. But teamliquid can be so much more than what it was in 2009 (and more than it is in 2015 and so on). A lot of comments about streams being too big. Yes, they probably are. They definitely are when compared to what they're like now. Thing is, if you want a very low % of misclicks (especially on mobile/tablet devices) you gotta increase padding/heights for certain elements so it becomes a balancing act. But I probably overdid it And don't worry, I was expecting this. It's very rare that a redesign is universally appreciated. I've been a part of a rebranding exercise and know what it's like It's the constructive criticism that's the most important. People aren't being disrespectful or unappreciative, they are providing very valuable feedback *looks at JieXian* It's interesting some comments are about 'not wanting to look at it'. I believe the web is all about content. Strip away the words and images on any website and you're left with a hollow shell. This design makes content the hero. The brief is creating a design that celebrates that content. I didn't spend much time on padding for streams or where the calendar would sit etc. That stuff is more granular. I'm focusing on a more high-level overview of what a redesign may look/feel like. So the vibe I'm getting is "less major redesign, more minor adjustments/improvements to existing site" instead right? Edit: For you guys who've asked very specific q's I'll PM you so we don't clutter the thread. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
Maybe they look good to people because when you're looking at the pics on the website, the thing isn't over your whole screen. What teamliquid does well, is that the forums work very well and are a lot more legible and easier to follow than say that of reddit. However, the front page, and most of its features, look quite underwhelming and outdated from an aesthetic point of view. | ||
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ZeroCartin
Costa Rica2390 Posts
Much easier to read than current system and really enjoy the main start page. Things I like
Things that need some thought
Great job so far, and I really support a new design | ||
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sixfour
England11060 Posts
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
looking at it more and more, i do really like the streaming thing for tablets that is super well done. Im just not sure how would the forums with posts look, also would our profile, blog, posts liquibet things stay at the top? would it be easy to search through the site, look for bans, old posts, posts by users? thats what im mainly curious about. The front page i prefer the one we have now (but i also remember being pretty meh about it during the first change) so maybe'll it will also happen if i use it more over time, i just really like the way the forum posts are pretty compact and simple. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
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swag_bro
Japan782 Posts
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BartCraft
Netherlands45 Posts
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
News and articles are part-and-parcel of that, but your redesign puts them into the forefront, and community interaction and forums are shunted to the background. Too much emphasis on content and not enough emphasis on community or events/streams is a step in the wrong direction. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On May 26 2015 08:20 BookTwo wrote: Wow so many comments. Thank you guys so much, tons of great feedback. I posted this at 1:20am my time and crashed right away so just catching up now. Just to clear this up: I'm not TL staff. As mentioned this is an unsolicited redesign. I'm getting the vibe from some comments that people might be 'waiting for this to happen'. Or you've worded your post like I'm part of the staff. I'm not I've quickly realised that you guys like information density. Information density works very well once you get used to it. I've been using TL for 6 years and know it like the back of my hand. We should keep the first users experience in mind. This assists in growing a user base. For those of us that were here during BW's golden age, we can navigate with our eyes closed. But teamliquid can be so much more than what it was in 2009 (and more than it is in 2015 and so on). A lot of comments about streams being too big. Yes, they probably are. They definitely are when compared to what they're like now. Thing is, if you want a very low % of misclicks (especially on mobile/tablet devices) you gotta increase padding/heights for certain elements so it becomes a balancing act. But I probably overdid it And don't worry, I was expecting this. It's very rare that a redesign is universally appreciated. I've been a part of a rebranding exercise and know what it's like It's the constructive criticism that's the most important. People aren't being disrespectful or unappreciative, they are providing very valuable feedback *looks at JieXian* It's interesting some comments are about 'not wanting to look at it'. I believe the web is all about content. Strip away the words and images on any website and you're left with a hollow shell. This design makes content the hero. The brief is creating a design that celebrates that content. I didn't spend much time on padding for streams or where the calendar would sit etc. That stuff is more granular. I'm focusing on a more high-level overview of what a redesign may look/feel like. So the vibe I'm getting is "less major redesign, more minor adjustments/improvements to existing site" instead right? Edit: For you guys who've asked very specific q's I'll PM you so we don't clutter the thread. I do apologise for my negativity and I hope you understood why. I have overreacted in certain parts. Most importantly, I did expect to like the redesign before I clicked on it. I am not a stubborn old dog. I'm all for improvements (the mobile version needs it badly, as I have stated in the thread). And I'm glad you are experienced and have been part of a rebranding before. I just took a strong stance because I didn't want a situation where everybody acts nice (when they don't like it that much) and the mods think everyone loves it and they are pressured into redesigning it that way and we are all sad pandas. However my opinion on the design in the OP still stands, other people only said it in a nicer way. The other people who "liked it but had objections" probably aren't too different from me. They probably just felt the need to balance my negativity, that's what I'd do. And since you have been working in design long enough you'd know that people can be incredibly indecisive at what they want or like until they actually use it. Either way I respect you for your reply because at least you have a good attitude to not go mad at me. I look forward to your next iterations (I don't think you're giving up that quickly). On May 26 2015 07:20 Alabasern wrote: I feel a simple disconnection between the sites. This too. On May 26 2015 05:26 BigFan wrote: Though I love TL's current design and usually the first to turn down any other designs, I have to say that I like what you've done. The colors used aren't too bad though an option to change background/fonts would be great. Needed changes: - The top bar is taking up a bit too much space- reduce the size - Live streams- considering shrinking them a bit more - Add more details under the title so maybe the first 1-2 sentences or something with ... at the end. Feels too bare - Might not be the best option but you need to differentiate further on the left side bar- consider underlining headings There are more stuff that can be changed. I like how the article usually takes up more of the screen than it does currently. Also, ignore the hateful comments of the poster called JieXian Ignore BigFan, he is infamous for loving everything hahahahahaha | ||
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YuiHirasawa
Japan220 Posts
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Powerpill
United States1692 Posts
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iamho
United States3345 Posts
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aslejoh
Norway96 Posts
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