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On May 26 2015 01:54 Subversive wrote:I'm really surprised. I thought I'd dislike whatever was presented, because I'm very happy with the current design. But I really enjoy what Phil/Book's done aesthetically. Very clean finish. It looks very professional and modern. Perhaps less of a 'homely' TL feel, but comes across very mainstream, feels like you could be reading about football or any sport. I'm happy if TL never changes, but I think this looks really good and I wouldn't mind it changing either. Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 01:43 JieXian wrote:On May 26 2015 01:35 Sn0_Man wrote:On May 26 2015 01:24 JieXian wrote:
Call me old but I don't want TL to change, at least not teamliquid.net Somebody needs to link pics of OLD TL. I'm sure some people didn't want it to change back then either  The previous ones weren't a complete remake to some generic modern fancy startup website that sells some REVOLUTIONARY hipster crap or some poser's blog about stupid business advice but were touch merely ups or facelifts. Some of the pictures even screamed GosuGamers and I'm sure none of us want that. Haha. I guess I like the generic look in this case :D.
Actually I clicked it expecting to be happy with it, since there are a lot of talented people on TL.
Anyway. I didn't think it was a well done modern mainstream look at all. But why would any one you want TL to look like any other website in the first place, especially since it already has a firm foundation?
Edit: I just took a look at NYtimes and it's not that bad, maybe I've just been to beautiful sites. I guess the current TL is just very nicely done. All it would need are some touch ups.
On May 26 2015 01:59 Faeny wrote:
Anything that doesn't waste >50% of the screen space to the left and the right is an improvement for me.
Dunno why liquid sites still so stubbornly stick to this shitty fixed layout.
You have a point, but that can be solved with touch ups. As for me I just zoom in and enjoy the view.
Upon thinking about it, I agree the TL mobile/tablet site could use some work, one that respects the old design more of course.
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I think it looks good. Aesthetically. I don't know about the rest, but I really do like it. Would agree that it'd look better with more blue!
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On May 26 2015 02:05 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 01:54 Subversive wrote:I'm really surprised. I thought I'd dislike whatever was presented, because I'm very happy with the current design. But I really enjoy what Phil/Book's done aesthetically. Very clean finish. It looks very professional and modern. Perhaps less of a 'homely' TL feel, but comes across very mainstream, feels like you could be reading about football or any sport. I'm happy if TL never changes, but I think this looks really good and I wouldn't mind it changing either. On May 26 2015 01:43 JieXian wrote:On May 26 2015 01:35 Sn0_Man wrote:On May 26 2015 01:24 JieXian wrote:
Call me old but I don't want TL to change, at least not teamliquid.net Somebody needs to link pics of OLD TL. I'm sure some people didn't want it to change back then either The previous ones weren't a complete remake to some generic modern fancy startup website that sells some REVOLUTIONARY hipster crap or some poser's blog about stupid business advice but were touch merely ups or facelifts. Some of the pictures even screamed GosuGamers and I'm sure none of us want that. Haha. I guess I like the generic look in this case :D. Actually I didn't think it was a well done modern mainstream look at all. But why would any one you want TL to look like any other website in the first place, especially since it already has a firm foundation? Edit: I just took a look at NYtimes and it's not that bad, maybe I've just been to beautiful sites. I guess the current TL is just very nicely done. All it would need are some touch ups. Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 01:59 Faeny wrote:
Anything that doesn't waste >50% of the screen space to the left and the right is an improvement for me.
Dunno why liquid sites still so stubbornly stick to this shitty fixed layout. You have a point, but that can be solved with touch ups. As for me I just zoom in and enjoy the view. Upon thinking about it, I agree the TL mobile/tablet site could use some work, that respects the old design of course.
Haha fair enough. I can see where you're coming from, but I still like it. I enjoy what it is now as well, so I'm happy. I think the new look is a lot cleaner though.
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On May 26 2015 02:05 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 01:59 Faeny wrote:
Anything that doesn't waste >50% of the screen space to the left and the right is an improvement for me.
Dunno why liquid sites still so stubbornly stick to this shitty fixed layout. You have a point, but that can be solved with touch ups.
I mean, that just isn't true
There isn't a simple touchup that effectively fixes the aspect ratio of the site from ~4:3 to 16-to-9, and thats before you think about ultrawide and 4K resolutions since TL uses fixed-pixel-dimensions which is a disaster.
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On May 26 2015 02:31 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 02:05 JieXian wrote:On May 26 2015 01:54 Subversive wrote:I'm really surprised. I thought I'd dislike whatever was presented, because I'm very happy with the current design. But I really enjoy what Phil/Book's done aesthetically. Very clean finish. It looks very professional and modern. Perhaps less of a 'homely' TL feel, but comes across very mainstream, feels like you could be reading about football or any sport. I'm happy if TL never changes, but I think this looks really good and I wouldn't mind it changing either. On May 26 2015 01:43 JieXian wrote:On May 26 2015 01:35 Sn0_Man wrote:On May 26 2015 01:24 JieXian wrote:
Call me old but I don't want TL to change, at least not teamliquid.net Somebody needs to link pics of OLD TL. I'm sure some people didn't want it to change back then either The previous ones weren't a complete remake to some generic modern fancy startup website that sells some REVOLUTIONARY hipster crap or some poser's blog about stupid business advice but were touch merely ups or facelifts. Some of the pictures even screamed GosuGamers and I'm sure none of us want that. Haha. I guess I like the generic look in this case :D. Actually I didn't think it was a well done modern mainstream look at all. But why would any one you want TL to look like any other website in the first place, especially since it already has a firm foundation? Edit: I just took a look at NYtimes and it's not that bad, maybe I've just been to beautiful sites. I guess the current TL is just very nicely done. All it would need are some touch ups. On May 26 2015 01:59 Faeny wrote:
Anything that doesn't waste >50% of the screen space to the left and the right is an improvement for me.
Dunno why liquid sites still so stubbornly stick to this shitty fixed layout. You have a point, but that can be solved with touch ups. As for me I just zoom in and enjoy the view. Upon thinking about it, I agree the TL mobile/tablet site could use some work, that respects the old design of course. Haha fair enough. I can see where you're coming from, but I still like it. I enjoy what it is now as well, so I'm happy. I think the new look is a lot cleaner though.
I agree that it may look messy to people. But cleaning it up a bit can be done without a redesign as major (as badly done) as this.
On May 26 2015 02:39 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 02:05 JieXian wrote:On May 26 2015 01:59 Faeny wrote:
Anything that doesn't waste >50% of the screen space to the left and the right is an improvement for me.
Dunno why liquid sites still so stubbornly stick to this shitty fixed layout. You have a point, but that can be solved with touch ups. I mean, that just isn't true There isn't a simple touchup that effectively fixes the aspect ratio of the site from ~4:3 to 16-to-9, and thats before you think about ultrawide and 4K resolutions since TL uses fixed-pixel-dimensions which is a disaster.
Ok I studied CSS for a website before so I get where you're coming from. You misunderstand. What I meant by touch ups is from the user's perspective, not the front end developer's perspective. It is completely possible recode the CSS to meet your stated needs while appearing to have been a touch up from the user's perspective right?
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Biggest thing for me would be a consolidated event calendar.
If the redesign doesn't have that, it's all rather moot.
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No quick calendar on homepage, and no real indication that it's been moved to some united calendar of events that you can bookmark. My biggest gripe.
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On May 26 2015 01:59 Faeny wrote:
Anything that doesn't waste >50% of the screen space to the left and the right is an improvement for me.
Dunno why liquid sites still so stubbornly stick to this shitty fixed layout.
This design seems even worse in terms of screen space left/right than the current design. The calendar is gone and streams are pushed down to make space for top story stuff, but you can just leave the calendar on the right since the SC2 site is already narrow as-is. No need to waste even more space as this redesign does.
Also, the LoL site has a "responsive" design where it reconfigures on narrower screens and it doesn't have a fixed layout at all, it's just only the LoL site and not the SC/SC2 site (don't know about the others).
The redesign IMO is rubbish for the simple reason it seems like it's designed for 4:3 screens and wastes all the space. Some other ideas might be good, but that's pretty much made irrelevant by the starting point being wrong.
The current TL design isn't great for widescreen due to the wasted space as mentioned, but this seems to waste even more space.
I find the LoL site works for mobile devices in portrait mode using the responsive design, and also works on my 21 screen when it's set to use half the screen (as does the main TL site, but the main TL site doesn't work so well on a mobile device).
Any re-design should be along the lines of an upgraded TL-LoL site, IMO, using it as a starting point and considering what can be tweaked to optimise for all platforms.
(the TL LoL site is functional, but nowhere near perfect, and looks a bit of a disjointed mess due to inconsistent borders, random use of white spaces etc, it's a good starting point with many things that could be improved).
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I dislike how the space for the livestream area takes space to show a little picture of what is going on the stream, would prefer it more like it is now with the names of streamers compact how it is now.
Also would like more contrast on the left bar to easier differentiate each section of the forums, like how the current design has the headers for each section (General, Tournaments, etc) surrounded in thick navy blue bars
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teamliquid.net is a disaster to use on mobile devices, and seeing how much of browsing is done on mobile devices should be reason enough to change the layout. Mobile enhanced mode is not enough, if this change makes that happen I am all for it.
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On May 26 2015 04:07 Imbajoe wrote:
I dislike how the space for the livestream area takes space to show a little picture of what is going on the stream, would prefer it more like it is now with the names of streamers compact how it is now.
Also would like more contrast on the left bar to easier differentiate each section of the forums, like how the current design has the headers for each section (General, Tournaments, etc) surrounded in thick navy blue bars
The Stream section has taken away information that's currently presented, reduced the number of visible streams and uses less width than the current design. It's worse in pretty much every way.
The design, although could do with some more differentiation, does look more cohesive than some designs (especially the TL-LoL site which is disjointed as hell).
On problem that seems common on all websites, not this specific redesign, is the idea that if you are on a mobile device, suddenly everything needs to be 5x as big, rather than only 2x or whatever, meaning you see only a fraction of what you should be able to see, and then these sorts of ideas transferring across to non-mobile sites where everything is massive and you see hardly anything on your screen at any one time, but then there's ALSO masses of white space.
Worst of both worlds on many website.
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I thought I was gonna hate it, but I actually like it.
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That's mostly good. At least better than what we have currently. And yeah ofc people are gonna be against it just because it changes things, stop being so afraid guys.
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I like how it looks, but I do hope that it is not one of those fancy new designs that run horribly on less-than-flagship mobile devices. I have an asus netbook with a broadwell intel atom (EEEbook X205) and it cannot handle websites that are overly dynamic very well. What I like about the current state of tl.net is that it is very old-school, in a good way.
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And doto gets shafted again
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Well it would be just another drop in the bucket in TL's bid to become a generic mainstream branded organisation with appropriate web design.
As long as someone makes a script to revert it to the previous look I dun care what changes are made though.
Edit: Can't believe R1CH would let something like that pass for his website though.
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i just want to say I'm glad you guys are like making the whole teamliquid experience more cohesive.
Like if Team Liquid is in the LCS, and I'm a lol player, I'd probably like question why you wouldnt just call that team LiquidLegends since TL the website is all BW/Starcraft + smaller communities that you haven't expanded into heavily yet (website/forums-wise), like Halo/Smash/CS:GO.
The site looks very crisp. Are there any new features designed to launch with the redesign?
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LiquidLegends has a nicer color palette considering the density of the colors used, with red being the most vibrant and the purples being more desaturated theres a good hierarchy of color thats really important that I don't think is there in LiquidStarCraft. The vibrant green, yellow, and blue are, firstly, different from the duo tone of LiquidLegends but also dont have a value hierarchy and aren't used enough to really warrant, for instance, how often does the green and yellow occur? Almost never, and when it does its only together. While the vibrancy is attention grabbing and the colors are pretty okay together its not doing too much to really establish a sense of visual hierarchy.
Those are my quick thoughts about the color anyways
EDIT: Iffy on the typography as well, I don't hate it or anything, but I have to admit that I associate TL with thinner type, the type under "THE NEW STRUCTURE" looks nice, I like that quite a bit, but not quite as sold on the typography on the website examples, it feels... okay, but it feels really distinctly okay rather than excellent. Maybe play around more with the type, its not awful, but it feels like it could be nice.
What fonts are you using? Sans serif + serif is always nice and is often a good way to go but I maybe two sans-serifs are the way to go for TL, but maybe its just my own relative vibe of the TL brand.
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Also, unsure of what in particular this may be, is it referring to comments? Likes? I initially didnt think it was anything because of the way that it matches up with the rest of the information, it reads to me like a line of factoids about it and I'm not sure if the tail is supposed to be the indicator of whether or not its the likes, or views, or comments, or shares or whatever, but I don't think its visually distinct enough, and I think that relates to the lack of any real hierarchy in the information in that. The green/yellow/blue are all distinct things, and it looks like they're all descriptors of the article, so to me the number should be a color and the other three descriptors should be a single color, its visually a confusing situation in that area.
A mockup of how this would scroll would be great, I'd really like to see how everything is in motion, there are some elements I'm not sure how I should feel about until I see how the website actually navigates.
As far as people's concern about screen real estate being eaten up by the side bars, maybe have the calendar section be collapsible, I know that I dont usually need that information up at all times.
Also, since school is out I'd be glad to help if you really need anything on the art side of things.
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Though I love TL's current design and usually the first to turn down any other designs, I have to say that I like what you've done. The colors used aren't too bad though an option to change background/fonts would be great. Needed changes:
- The top bar is taking up a bit too much space- reduce the size
- Live streams- considering shrinking them a bit more
- Add more details under the title so maybe the first 1-2 sentences or something with ... at the end. Feels too bare
- Might not be the best option but you need to differentiate further on the left side bar- consider underlining headings
There are more stuff that can be changed. I like how the article usually takes up more of the screen than it does currently. Also, ignore the hateful comments of the poster called JieXian
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