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On March 03 2015 10:10 rsoultin wrote: those shuriken are 1-shot?
if they're 1-shot then nah I don't really care about ninja Here is a ninja. To the other ninja: Kill mafia first and then kill this guy. Thank you.
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I'm back and got nuked on accident -.- Robik didn't give a damn and thought I was a Suicide Bomber............ Knowing he generally gets mad at me in our games together I more likely to call him a tentitive town for how little he cares about me knowing our history together but not enough posts to make a full read on him. Geript like I said I meta reading him Town he been pushing a lot and asking a ton of questions but I have yet to play a game with him when he's Mafia so I might be a bit bias here. Slam is thinking logically this game compared to his games as Mafia when I played with him so I finding him Town on that part. HTS, rsoultin, Damdred, and Breshke you guys(and girls) need to bleed town for me this considering stuff from our most recent games together >.> Kita is null he only got the one post saying Hi. Lol at Kurumi calling himself Chezinu idk how to read Chezinu tbh would be my first time play playing with him so if anyone got a good tell on him let me know! AT.Epiphany trying to meta read geript as Mafia instead of town when he got so little posts but I kind of aware there is smurfs this game so idk to how to read it but null for me on him although he did have some critical thinking on the button stuff but tbh I think the button stuff is null in general. Also if anyone got How to Figure out Sicklucker book I would buy it because I can't read him on Day 1 correctly after the stuff in Linux and Slytherin and how bad he is on Day 1 as either alignment >.> Also rayn claiming to shoot bats I finding it funny and the fact he explained why Koshi is mafia is a nice change for the game considering his early posting.
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On March 03 2015 10:19 Sepulchre wrote:So, these two posts by Half the Sky are, perhaps intentionally, rather bad play, for obvious reasons. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it is just a bait. Laziest read in this thread.
Why do you assume that it is bait? Did you check that she follows up on the bait? If you did, why am I not reading about it. If you didn't, why didn't you?
I cannot believe you say somethings is bait and then not look if she follows up on the bait. Or check yourself if the bait worked.
Anyway. Just saying. I didn't read the rest of your post because you started with a dumb and lazy read.
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On March 03 2015 12:00 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 11:52 geript wrote:On March 03 2015 11:36 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2015 11:30 geript wrote:
I think your idea is really fucking stupid because it won't stop anyone from shooting. But that's kinda the point of it. We talk about who town wants to shoot and everyone in thread at the 24hr mark when shooting is possible shoots for the vote leader. That way the shot is controlled by town. Deferring to you or Slam's RNG target depends on either of you being there at the deadline to shoot before someone else does. With knowing what the town has voted, then more people will hopefully all shoot at the leader and we will have 6+ people shooting the preferred target. What's your less stupid idea? My less stupid idea is to have people get "approval" to shoot. I'd you need say 5-8 people vote for you to be the shooter. Then it's far more like a mayoral election and actually gives information about the backers. Currently, though I wouldn't shoot HtS. If Onegu doesn't do anything then I wouldn't object to you shooting him. But why not shoot Koshi? He seems fairly likely since he just blantantly said he can't be asked to do anything. Confirmed not reading and will be ignored for the rest of the game. I blantantly said I could be asked anything.
Could be mafia. I saw someone say something about this guy doing nothing except the voting plan, which he didn't push hard, he just mentioned that it would be nice to do.
Could be mafia indeed.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=Breshke&view=all Bresche filter.
Conclusion: Fairly likely to be mafia Recommend to be shot
Reasoning
Wishywashy Content Bresche early filter focuses on the "plan" for town to control the shot after 24hrs. This is not typically alignment indicative early on, however, it is interesting to note that Bresche has a focus on establishing "town" reads; and not questioning his "scum" reads. Even more so, given that Rayn has been quite active in the thread.
Further, note the confidence Bresche exudes when referring to Tubesock (and to a lesser degree Slam + Koshi + FecalFeast) as town. Everyone knows list collaborations are an easy tool for scum to utilising when feigning contribution. But Bresche begs to differ, offering the generic morsel that this effort is too much to be scum.
Which leads us to Congruence I get no focus in his filter. There is talk but none of it has proper conclusions that are reinforced within *THIS* game. His filter has no consistency in thought. Posts within a short duration jump from target to target; which when combined with the tendency to buddy people as town indicate a motive to blend in and offer meaningless contributions.
Possibly best exemplified by:
On March 03 2015 13:34 Breshke wrote:Can you explain these when you are around rayn? I can get behind a koshi shot though rereading horn it is more similar than i thought it was. ##Vote Koshi
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On March 03 2015 15:10 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 14:56 AT.Epiphany wrote: So here's my scumread on Geript:
Every single time he's been Mafia he's far more aggressive and confrontational than he is as Town. Moreover his mafia games have him rapidly suggesting lynch targets and putting out scumpiles pretty quickly. As a mafia (and not as a Town) he invariably pushes multiple targets and acts aggressively. Here as well, he started pushing Koshi and the moment I made my post, his first reaction (even though I said I'm posting on shots as a follow-up) was to scumread me because my post was filler.
It isn't filler, the first person to post after me recognized as such, and geript has gambled on being aggressive and unpleasant thinking that people will agree with him because I am new to this forum. Look at his main contribution in the thread.
1) He's tried to normalize the idea that there's no point in trying to reach a consensus on a shot because somebody will shoot anyway. What he's really trying to push though, is the idea that it's normal and ok for everyone to take a shot at 24 hrs and the reason he's doing this is because he doesn't want anybody to gain any information from the shot, which is why he's trying to press the line that there's no point reaching a consensus and then lynching anyone who breaks the consensus.
2) He's then tried to press the nonsensical idea of trying to hunt/lynch the 3P although that makes very little sense for reasons that have already been pointed out.
3) He tries to establish credibility by saying "these are the people I'm ok taking a shot". That doesn't prove anything though, especially since at this point he's done nothing useful except to try and debunk our most useful way of gaining information, which is to try and shoot the guy with the most votes.
4) He's been the one to try and turn the thread into a fight by abusing me (a fight he calculated he'll win because no one here knows me).
1) He suggested we nominate someone to shoot so i don't think that he is trying to avoid us lynching a consensus 2) He then later stated that he ment he doesn't care if we shoot mafia or 3p 3)Isn't trying to debunk any plan useful as it can show any weakpoints it has? Yes it could be frustrating but yeah. 4) I dont think this is true. Yeah vets seem to listen to other vets more than newbies but with geript gunning for some of them (rayn for example) how do you think he can count on them to back him? Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 14:05 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 03 2015 13:59 Damdred wrote: ....we aren't even interested in talking about t device, fuck the device we are scum hunting to figure out a shot.
I will yolo shoot you so please actually contribute now that you got that out of your system You should be, I've scum-read you as well now, because you insta-voted PRESS and are trying to avoid discussion. You are most likely scum as well, and I am just as willing to shoot you. Stop threatening the newbie. I ain't backing down to this behaviour. You say you are a newbie here yet you seem to think you know geripts meta fairly well which doesn't really add up. Also I don't like that you promised to talk about the shot before damdred started going hard against you which led me to believe you had thoughts on people other than him yet what you have posted is mostly from after you said you would give thoughts which leads me to believe you had nothing at the time yet you got angry at geript for not waiting for you to post. Im not sure if im making sense or not but if you could give reads on other people that would probably help. Couple points Bresche goes into a lot of detail to debunk Epiphany points on Geript, however, at no point takes a stance on Geript OR EPIPHANY This is critical. Bresche last 2 paragraphs reads as "Im about to wreck yo", and ends miserley with ... "please post more"
Think about this.. town *WANT* to pursue their scumspects. What we get here is Bresche saying this: (1) I want you to hang yourself; or, (2) I want someone else to take the lead with hanging you; or, (3) I am giving myself flexibilty to pursue or withdraw.
I havent played mafia in about a year, but to me, this has always been indicative of a mafia mentality.
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On March 03 2015 12:05 sicklucker wrote: Ya ill shoot koshi. He flips mafia over 50% of tht time from that noplay excuse. Which is great odds
On March 03 2015 12:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 12:25 LightningStrike wrote: Robik and OWS any thoughts so far? Robik seems somewhat apathetic which is never really a good sign from him. Koshi not doing things makes me an unhappy camper as well. That's about it at this point though. Meh.
On March 03 2015 13:01 LightningStrike wrote: Also my thoughts on Koshi I finding it odd he not really trying this game and sorta reminds me of Horns of Africa where he wasn't doing much and trying to avoid being lynched so he might be Mafia on that but he needs to give a reason for not doing much. Rayn he not doing much either and I think in a post game he said he wasn't going to do much shit as town due to people not having the ability so idk if he really going through with that or what's going on with him. So my best person I want to shoot is most likely Koshi for now. ##Shoot: Koshi
On March 03 2015 13:06 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 12:55 geript wrote: @Damdred. What do you think about Koshi and Rayn? Koshi somewhat reminds me of season of a witch, rayn feels weird. How does it remind you of that game?
On March 03 2015 13:34 Breshke wrote:Can you explain these when you are around rayn? I can get behind a koshi shot though rereading horn it is more similar than i thought it was. ##Vote Koshi You reread an entire game so you could meta it against the 3 posts I made???? wow. nice.
Holy fuck everybody reads me as scum for not doing shit first 12 hours into a game. Unbelievable. I guess I will need to be misslynched a couple times before this will ever change. Which is a shame because I will never let it happen. So I am stuck having to do shit D1 D2 and then die N1 or N2 and then see town be complete ******** and lose game after game.
Great.
Anyway. the people using meta here as suspect. As if I said enough to use meta already. rofl. I was around for 1 hour.
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Like, you can think I am maybe mafia for not doing things because that reminds you of me doing nothing and being mafia. I am fine with that. I think it is normal that you think that. Or possible. People remember things.
But if you claim you reread an entire game so you could match my meta of that game to the meta of this game you are seriously overdoing it. And you are scum.
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Seeing the rayn/breshce interchange.
Also notice how meek Bresche is. Yes hes talking, but again, it feels like for the sake of talking.
All his calls to someone being scum, are then smoothed out with justifications to backpedal.
Case in point:
On March 03 2015 21:31 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 21:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know which is better. I'd rather try it out and see what it does, if it's bad then jsut get rid of it because then noone can argue against it. I try to keep it simple.
What's your read on your mom and Mocsta?
Im lean scum on Mocsta. I don't like those pretend scum qt conversations he made doesn't seem useful to me in adding to his read because I have never really seen anyone coach people like that in scum QT's. He also mentioned that he wanted to talk about spelch and me but never ended up talking about me yet was quick to say that he thought my "slip" was important. [red]Could be biased here because of that though.[/'red] I liked your mom for scum reading you before you reentered the thread because i agreed with that line of thought. But when you came back and actually started pushing your reads more and explaining stuff instead of just calling people mafia i felt like he stuck to his read instead of reevaluating you. This doesn't make him mafia though could just be lazy town so null for now.
I wont bother to dabble in the button stuff Rayn already covered
This guy has put a votge on Koshi to be shot, and this token effort is all we get:
On March 03 2015 21:40 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 21:36 Koshi wrote:On March 03 2015 21:23 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 03 2015 21:19 Koshi wrote: No questions for Koshixxx? Okay, I'll bite? Why such low participation/unavailability? Koshixxx Game started on 0000 and didn't feel like playing. I played doto and watched House of Cards. I slept till 1200. I am now at work till 1800, I got a lot to do so I don't think I will do to much. Depends a bit. I will then be home but doto will call again and I have 0 urge to play this game as long as I didn't read anything yet. So Wednesday sounds like a fun day to start. You are one of the main people being considered to be shot. If you want to play this at all you might want to start sooner than that Koshixxx
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I have decided to be the voice of reasoning this game. I will point stuff out. I will not push people though. I will point out if people did scummy things and that's it. I will not remember people doing scummy things. I will not solve the game by PoE after I found towny things and scummy things. I will just do some stuff I like to do.
It has been decided.
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On March 03 2015 23:12 Koshi wrote: Like, you can think I am maybe mafia for not doing things because that reminds you of me doing nothing and being mafia. I am fine with that. I think it is normal that you think that. Or possible. People remember things.
But if you claim you reread an entire game so you could match my meta of that game to the meta of this game you are seriously overdoing it. And you are scum. you yourself pointed out several using meta to support their accusation.
Are you suggesting the above is the whole scum team?
When i read the 5 quotes you posted, I see varying degrees of intent. Do you?
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The voice of Reasoning is in recess. And needs to work on other things. I am not reading things for at least 4 hours. Leave questions to
KoshiTheVoiceOfReasoning
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On March 03 2015 23:15 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 23:12 Koshi wrote: Like, you can think I am maybe mafia for not doing things because that reminds you of me doing nothing and being mafia. I am fine with that. I think it is normal that you think that. Or possible. People remember things.
But if you claim you reread an entire game so you could match my meta of that game to the meta of this game you are seriously overdoing it. And you are scum. you yourself pointed out several using meta to support their accusation. Are you suggesting the above is the whole scum team? When i read the 5 quotes you posted, I see varying degrees of intent. Do you? Yes. I already explained that. I have no problem with people scumreading me or saying I might be scum for doing nothing. I might be. I can see that.
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On March 03 2015 23:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 12:05 sicklucker wrote: Ya ill shoot koshi. He flips mafia over 50% of tht time from that noplay excuse. Which is great odds Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 12:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On March 03 2015 12:25 LightningStrike wrote: Robik and OWS any thoughts so far? Robik seems somewhat apathetic which is never really a good sign from him. Koshi not doing things makes me an unhappy camper as well. That's about it at this point though. Meh. Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 13:01 LightningStrike wrote: Also my thoughts on Koshi I finding it odd he not really trying this game and sorta reminds me of Horns of Africa where he wasn't doing much and trying to avoid being lynched so he might be Mafia on that but he needs to give a reason for not doing much. Rayn he not doing much either and I think in a post game he said he wasn't going to do much shit as town due to people not having the ability so idk if he really going through with that or what's going on with him. So my best person I want to shoot is most likely Koshi for now. ##Shoot: Koshi Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 13:06 Damdred wrote:On March 03 2015 12:55 geript wrote: @Damdred. What do you think about Koshi and Rayn? Koshi somewhat reminds me of season of a witch, rayn feels weird. How does it remind you of that game? Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 13:34 Breshke wrote:On March 03 2015 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: sandroba is mafia. On March 03 2015 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi is mafia. Can you explain these when you are around rayn? I can get behind a koshi shot though rereading horn it is more similar than i thought it was. ##Vote Koshi You reread an entire game so you could meta it against the 3 posts I made???? wow. nice. Holy fuck everybody reads me as scum for not doing shit first 12 hours into a game. Unbelievable. I guess I will need to be misslynched a couple times before this will ever change. Which is a shame because I will never let it happen. So I am stuck having to do shit D1 D2 and then die N1 or N2 and then see town be complete ******** and lose game after game. Great. Anyway. the people using meta here as suspect. As if I said enough to use meta already. rofl. I was around for 1 hour. In that game you were kind of lazy and wasn't doing shit and was trying to tell people to let you live and this game you weren't doing much shit either I getting a tell on you being this game but it might be paranoia seeing that Horns of Africa was finished like 2 weeks ago.
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Yes Breshke has a really high chance of being mafia here but that would also probably mean Koshi is town which i am not willing to believe yet. Kosi's posting hasn't gotten any better he is just making some weird comments.
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Am back, I read the last 5-10 pages somewhat but not really. Anyways before re-reading that mess some quick things I wanted to get out.
I change my stance on the device, I'll want to guard it and not press it right now. Reason being that I'd assume it has something to do with interacting with our spirits (like we get a vote on which one to kill?)
Rayn is a little weird and there's some things I really agree and some things I completly disagree. But that's good, he's hyper, I'm hyper, that's bound to happen so I like him despite being weird... or more to the point because he's weird. One of the things I really disagree is his mafiaread on Sandroba based on him being useless. Yes Sandroba is really good as town but he's also lazy as fuck if he so chooses to be. It's way to early to read him and he hasn't done anything worth noting yet. Lack of doing things early on is not an indicator for Sandroba being either alignment. If anything he'll continually post more useless stuff when mafia because he thinks he has to and so far he's under that treshhold making me think he's town if anything. I wouldn't bet VEs balls on that but I certainly wouldn't call him mafia.
You mom, I'm sorry
I still think HTS posts were really awkward early on. In the game we played in she just fit in from the get go. This time around she's going around making weird posts à la "ehehe, you thought so too? Man good thing, good thing :3" that just don't seem to fit in at all and read like she's forcing herself, which certainly is a mafia trait. Not as sure as I was on it yesterday as I do agree that a big game is harder in that regard and it could be she's not able to fit in due to the sheer number of people but damn... she was fucking confirmed town d1 last game. I'd still shoot that.
I realized my talk about two people that are neither town nor mafia was stupid yesterday. I was right about what I said but I should not have said it. Now Geript (who I highly believe to be town atm... sadly) and I are more likely to be shot by them due to the simple fact that ctrl+f'ing the n-word (not the racial slur one!) won't show a 0 for both of us Please don't shoot me.
So HTS still #1 priority for me right now. Comming in third would be Kita for getting in, posting hi and nothing else when he happens to be someone cheery as well. I'd expect him to do some useless 1 or 2 liner follow up at least. #2 priority right now is Breshke. Never played with him before so I didn't pay too much attention when he was posting but his posts were rubbing me the wrong way a lot. I saw that someone made a bigger post about him later on. Have not read that yet, I'll see if I agree with anything in there.
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On March 03 2015 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes Breshke has a really high chance of being mafia here but that would also probably mean Koshi is town which i am not willing to believe yet. Kosi's posting hasn't gotten any better he is just making some weird comments. see what I mean with there's some things that I really agree with and some things I just don't like your read on Sandro?
This one is part of the "I really agree with it" group. Those were EXACTLY my thoughts as well
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On March 03 2015 23:47 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes Breshke has a really high chance of being mafia here but that would also probably mean Koshi is town which i am not willing to believe yet. Kosi's posting hasn't gotten any better he is just making some weird comments. see what I mean with there's some things that I really agree with and some things I just don't like your read on Sandro? This one is part of the "I really agree with it" group. Those were EXACTLY my thoughts as well So in your opinion sandroba hasn't done anything? In my opinion he has done things. The things he has done are both bad and not scumhunting.
ftr there is absolutely no town player who can argue against my logic regarding the device. it is just not possible someone is that stupid.
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So HtS is seriously being pushed for something stupid like that? Well Koshi is probably scum then and mafia cannot push anything else. There is pretty much no other answer.
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On March 03 2015 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 23:47 Toadesstern wrote:On March 03 2015 23:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes Breshke has a really high chance of being mafia here but that would also probably mean Koshi is town which i am not willing to believe yet. Kosi's posting hasn't gotten any better he is just making some weird comments. see what I mean with there's some things that I really agree with and some things I just don't like your read on Sandro? This one is part of the "I really agree with it" group. Those were EXACTLY my thoughts as well So in your opinion sandroba hasn't done anything? In my opinion he has done things. The things he has done are both bad and not scumhunting. ftr there is absolutely no town player who can argue against my logic regarding the device. it is just not possible someone is that stupid. I guess you can say that. I'd say all he's done so far are two posts:
On March 03 2015 09:23 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 09:16 Breshke wrote:On March 03 2015 09:09 Tubesock wrote: Why don't we just vote for the shooting like we vote for the lynch?
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##Shoot: No shoot
and then one of us keep tabs like normal? I think this is probably a good idea but would need a lot of cooperation. Also I think it is the best way to kind of see where peoples reads are and who is actually pushing for what shot. I havn't got much from the thread so far but I think it is fairly scummy that rayn has been apart of two shit fights with geript and toad that didn't really seem to go anywhere. It's pretty nice in theory, but all we need is one person to randomly decide they want to shoot to screw with town pretty hard in case of a miss. The person is probably going to be mislynched the next day, because they will probably be town and there is no way to commit to this plan without setting up a pusnishment the next day. So this will sum up to the equivalent of 2 mislynches if things go south. That's why I think the best plan is for me to try to shoot correctly in 24h. All the glory or all the shame, I'll take my chances =P. and
On March 03 2015 09:36 sandroba wrote: well if somehow everyone gets behind it I see no problem turning this into a normal lynch. This will require extreme self-control by a town player who is about to get shot, however, because if you manage to shoot before someone shoots you, you will waste 2 of town lynches instead of one. which like you said, is not scumhunting but it's really early in the day so I don't mind yet. The other posts he did are just whatever. The only bad thing I see about him is that he feels the need to post this one, which isn't really his style imo:
On March 03 2015 09:28 sandroba wrote: Also please can you guys please stick to the game in question? Half the posts in this thread are pretty hard for me to decifer what the hell people are even talking about, tons of people randomly aggroing each other for no good reason, tons of pointless spam. Let's keep it straight foward please.
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