EPT[T] Jack of All Trades Mafia - Page 35
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raynpelikoneet
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AT.Epiphany
India117 Posts
On March 03 2015 20:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: For the record i wanna press the device to see what happens, now when if it's a bad thing it doesn't fucking kill us outright. sandroba suggesting this: is scummyscummyscum..... The only correct way to do this is either figure out what pressing the device does NOW, or destroy it immediately. I was just about to post, I do think sandrobras may be scum, but he is theoretically right here. I sense no one's going to listen to me about the damn device, so I'll shut up about it after this post, but if you just think about it, if you have a chance to insert a totally random unknown effect into any game, it stands to reason that whenever you're losing anyway is a good time to do it. By the way, really not pushing the device discussion, but why does that comment make him scummy? Also, the reason I think he may be scum is first of all a low content, but more interestingly that when discussing the "shoot as lynch" policy, he was incredibly unwilling to commit and basically flip-flopped around saying we can do this, or we can do that while leaving his phraseology so ambiguous that it could be interpreted as either. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On March 03 2015 20:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you want to wish good luck to town or mafia? If I got shot mafia obviously. But I don't think I got shot unless someone spelled my name wrong. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 03 2015 20:36 batsnacks wrote: If I got shot mafia obviously. But I don't think I got shot unless someone spelled my name wrong. Did you just claim scum?  | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
Why don't you shoot me and find out? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On March 03 2015 19:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I posted as I read the thread.The problem here for me is that apparently Mocsta sees you as some kind of a dumbass who has no clue in how to play mafia. I heavily disagree with that because of your post on geript. While i think you are wrong on geript's alignment and at the start of the game focused on things i find to be irrelevant your post on geript was really thought out and it fits with how you think the D1 here should be played in your opinion. I find those cases on geript a massive towntell for you, and i also find them to show that you are actually well capable of thinking which makes you NOT a bad player. However Mocsta seems to be thinking the opposite and i can't understand why. Like i don't even know what he got out of calling you mafia??? Many big wasted posts to end up in a conclusion "this guy is dumb"?? I don't buy it. I genuinely thought his first two posts were scummy. However, he has an influx of posts on the proceeding pages that: A - Do not move the thread forward B - Heavily argue his theory on how the game should be play (akin to yourself right now) Clearly, someone could make a case on him saying he is posting useless content for the sake of it... however, i think he is a butthurt over-zealous individual, as opposed to someone maliciously posting in the thread to destroy town atmosphere/blend in. This makes him a low priority for my evaluation day 1. Frankly, I am surprised you haven't question Epiphany regarding his town read of Koshi. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On March 03 2015 20:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: For the record i wanna press the device to see what happens, now when if it's a bad thing it doesn't fucking kill us outright. sandroba suggesting this: is scummyscummyscum..... The only correct way to do this is either figure out what pressing the device does NOW, or destroy it immediately. And you want the cake to eat it.... On March 03 2015 16:18 Mocsta wrote: Hi guys. ##Vote: Destroy Bye guys. Scum if you want to guard. Scum if you want to destory. Let me guess.. only town want to press... the signature is proven true Rayn. Hail Palmar | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 03 2015 20:36 AT.Epiphany wrote: I was just about to post, I do think sandrobras may be scum, but he is theoretically right here. I sense no one's going to listen to me about the damn device, so I'll shut up about it after this post, but if you just think about it, if you have a chance to insert a totally random unknown effect into any game, it stands to reason that whenever you're losing anyway is a good time to do it. By the way, really not pushing the device discussion, but why does that comment make him scummy? Also, the reason I think he may be scum is first of all a low content, but more interestingly that when discussing the "shoot as lynch" policy, he was incredibly unwilling to commit and basically flip-flopped around saying we can do this, or we can do that while leaving his phraseology so ambiguous that it could be interpreted as either. The reason is as far as the game is going on you are never "already lost". In LYLO you do not want ANYTHING that could possibly give mafia KP or fuck up the lynch. You just want the townies to lynch mafia. Therefore, as i said, the only correct plays regarding the device are: 1) figure out what it does now, and then decide what to do with it or if it's worth keeping around at all 2) ignore it, accept it doesn't need to be in the game and destroy it Keeping it around and not doing anything with it isn't an option because at some point it might become a liability to the town. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
I must say, i find this an odd way to approach the game.?? | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
I think all this button stuff is null. Town doesn't know what the button does neither does mafia. I don't see a way we can "work out" what the device does so we either push is now when any damage it can do to town might not be as strong. Or we press it when we are in a really bad position (this is iffy because it would still probably be better to try lynch our way out if we can rather than leave it to some device.) I think if it is going to be pressed then these are the two times that it is done and i don't think anyone suggesting otherwise is scummy in itself unless they are doing so to not talk about reads or w/e. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 03 2015 20:45 Breshke wrote: Town doesn't know what the button does neither does mafia. You know the underline how? Because i sure as hell don't know it. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On March 03 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: You know the underline how? Because i sure as hell don't know it. nope i just kinda assumed | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On March 03 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: You know the underline how? Because i sure as hell don't know it. Im about to ahve dinner. please pursue. This is a valid pickup i think. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 03 2015 20:45 Breshke wrote: rayn I don't agree that sandroba wanting to push the button is scummy. I think all this button stuff is null. Town doesn't know what the button does neither does mafia. I don't see a way we can "work out" what the device does so we either push is now when any damage it can do to town might not be as strong. Or we press it when we are in a really bad position (this is iffy because it would still probably be better to try lynch our way out if we can rather than leave it to some device.) I think if it is going to be pressed then these are the two times that it is done and i don't think anyone suggesting otherwise is scummy in itself unless they are doing so to not talk about reads or w/e. Like in this post you literally argue the exact same thing i do. sandroba says the opposite yet it is not scummy? | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On March 03 2015 20:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like in this post you literally argue the exact same thing i do. sandroba says the opposite yet it is not scummy? I never considered that mafia would know what the device does tbh And the stuff in brackets I realized as i was typing it and that's the part that contradicts the first part. Still IF sandroba is town I think her logic makes sense if town is in a bad position that they for some reason don't want to lynch out of pushing the button is an option. For her to say that as mafia we she would know it is a bad thing else why press it when town is about to lose? In which case why would you want to press it now? | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On March 03 2015 20:50 Mocsta wrote: Im about to ahve dinner. please pursue. This is a valid pickup i think. This is mafia. I shoot this person. Well I'll read the thread first and then probably shoot this person anyway cause confirmation bias. | ||
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AT.Epiphany
India117 Posts
On March 03 2015 20:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: The reason is as far as the game is going on you are never "already lost". In LYLO you do not want ANYTHING that could possibly give mafia KP or fuck up the lynch. You just want the townies to lynch mafia. Therefore, as i said, the only correct plays regarding the device are: 1) figure out what it does now, and then decide what to do with it or if it's worth keeping around at all 2) ignore it, accept it doesn't need to be in the game and destroy it Keeping it around and not doing anything with it isn't an option because at some point it might become a liability to the town. Ok. That's a fair enough argument, but it would have helped if you or someone else made this a while ago rather than simply suppressing the debate. I think the town can be in a situation desperate enough before it's actually LYLO, but at least I can see now what your point is, so I'll leave this issue. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 03 2015 20:55 Breshke wrote: I never considered that mafia would know what the device does tbh And the stuff in brackets I realized as i was typing it and that's the part that contradicts the first part. Still IF sandroba is town I think her logic makes sense if town is in a bad position that they for some reason don't want to lynch out of pushing the button is an option. For her to say that as mafia we she would know it is a bad thing else why press it when town is about to lose? In which case why would you want to press it now? No, the logic makes absolutely no sense. If we at some point are in LYLO you don't want to have an 30 page argument about if we should do something that is possibly going to lose us the game right away or not. You want to focus on finding mafia, and lynching mafia. If the device is unknown to the town at that point you are never ever going to even argue about using it because you do not want distraction in scumhunting. The cons outweigh the pros 100% in that situation. What sandroba suggested is really really really mafia favored regardless of if the mafia knows what the device does or if they doesn't. Because his argument is that when TOWN is in a really bad position we should try it. Even if the device is unknown to mafia, in that situation it doesn't make MAFIA LOSE, but it CAN make TOWN LOSE. If the device is town-favored you want to use it as soon as possible (if you are going to). If the device is mafia-favored you want to find that out as soon as possible so you can get rid of it. If you don't want to find out either, you just get rid of it, because the more time it stays unknown to the town, it becomes more mafia favoured just by being an unknown factor in the game. It's like massclaiming in all-roled setups. You should always do it the first thing in the game. Dumb people are always gonna argue against it and then they still end up massclaiming in like LYLO when the most benefit of the act is already lost... But sandroba is not dumb. He is mafia. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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