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On March 03 2015 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 20:55 Breshke wrote:On March 03 2015 20:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 03 2015 20:45 Breshke wrote:
rayn I don't agree that sandroba wanting to push the button is scummy.
I think all this button stuff is null.
Town doesn't know what the button does neither does mafia. I don't see a way we can "work out" what the device does so we either push is now when any damage it can do to town might not be as strong. Or we press it when we are in a really bad position (this is iffy because it would still probably be better to try lynch our way out if we can rather than leave it to some device.)
I think if it is going to be pressed then these are the two times that it is done and i don't think anyone suggesting otherwise is scummy in itself unless they are doing so to not talk about reads or w/e. Like in this post you literally argue the exact same thing i do. sandroba says the opposite yet it is not scummy? I never considered that mafia would know what the device does tbh And the stuff in brackets I realized as i was typing it and that's the part that contradicts the first part. Still IF sandroba is town I think her logic makes sense if town is in a bad position that they for some reason don't want to lynch out of pushing the button is an option. For her to say that as mafia we she would know it is a bad thing else why press it when town is about to lose? In which case why would you want to press it now? No, the logic makes absolutely no sense. If we at some point are in LYLO you don't want to have an 30 page argument about if we should do something that is possibly going to lose us the game right away or not. You want to focus on finding mafia, and lynching mafia. If the device is unknown to the town at that point you are never ever going to even argue about using it because you do not want distraction in scumhunting. The cons outweigh the pros 100% in that situation. What sandroba suggested is really really really mafia favored regardless of if the mafia knows what the device does or if they doesn't. Because his argument is that when TOWN is in a really bad position we should try it. Even if the device is unknown to mafia, in that situation it doesn't make MAFIA LOSE, but it CAN make TOWN LOSE. If the device is town-favored you want to use it as soon as possible (if you are going to). If the device is mafia-favored you want to find that out as soon as possible so you can get rid of it. If you don't want to find out either, you just get rid of it, because the more time it stays unknown to the town, it becomes more mafia favoured just by being an unknown factor in the game. It's like massclaiming in all-roled setups. You should always do it the first thing in the game. Dumb people are always gonna argue against it and then they still end up massclaiming in like LYLO when the most benefit of the act is already lost... But sandroba is not dumb. He is mafia.
Okay i understand and yes you are right my bad. Hail Rayn why did i ever doubt you.
There is probs better stuff to talk about but koshi not being around and you keep saying we should "work out" what the device does. Is there anyway we can actually do this because i can't think of one. Would it not be better to just destroy it now and have it out of the way.
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On March 03 2015 21:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
batsnacks why did you want to wish good luck to mafia?
Cause town "shot" me.
And no mafia would never shoot me d1 when I hadn't said anything yet.
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I don't know which is better. I'd rather try it out and see what it does, if it's bad then jsut get rid of it because then noone can argue against it. I try to keep it simple.
What's your read on your mom and Mocsta?
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No questions for Koshixxx?
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On March 03 2015 20:42 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 19:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 03 2015 19:03 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 03 2015 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 03 2015 18:43 Mocsta wrote:
Anyways, I was more alluding hes either faking dubm (a la BH) or is the typical fallacious status quo.
I judged a lot of the interactions as philosophical warring and treat him as #2 (fallacious) currently.
Thus, my current expectation for him is to act in the way you deem unfit for perfect play.
I am not sure i buy this explanation. So your conclusion (yes, in the post where you originally posted your comment i talked about it WAS a conclusion of yours) is that he, as town, for some reason should scumread people who scumread his town reads. I have absolutely no idea how you end up on this conclusion because it is a narrative YOU invented for him and nothing in his play implicates he should think this way. I agree with what you write, though I don't really have any conclusion coming out of it. I don't think that disagreeing with me about somebody being town makes them suspicious in my eyes. By the way, I didn't even see that as a "narrative he invented for me", but simply as what was natural to his thought process, I might have disagreed with him about it on another day, but I've had enough hostility on me without quibbling with him about what approach is natural. He posted that under 'basis' so I took that to be his thought process about whom he tends to suspect rather than him creating a narrative for me. The problem here for me is that apparently Mocsta sees you as some kind of a dumbass who has no clue in how to play mafia. I heavily disagree with that because of your post on geript. While i think you are wrong on geript's alignment and at the start of the game focused on things i find to be irrelevant your post on geript was really thought out and it fits with how you think the D1 here should be played in your opinion. I find those cases on geript a massive towntell for you, and i also find them to show that you are actually well capable of thinking which makes you NOT a bad player. However Mocsta seems to be thinking the opposite and i can't understand why. Like i don't even know what he got out of calling you mafia??? Many big wasted posts to end up in a conclusion "this guy is dumb"?? I don't buy it. I posted as I read the thread. I genuinely thought his first two posts were scummy. However, he has an influx of posts on the proceeding pages that: A - Do not move the thread forward B - Heavily argue his theory on how the game should be play (akin to yourself right now) Clearly, someone could make a case on him saying he is posting useless content for the sake of it... however, i think he is a butthurt over-zealous individual, as opposed to someone maliciously posting in the thread to destroy town atmosphere/blend in. This makes him a low priority for my evaluation day 1. Frankly, I am surprised you haven't question Epiphany regarding his town read of Koshi.
Seriously, arguing how I think we should proceed does move the thread forward. Whether that's a good or bad thing depends on whether you agree with the direction I'm advocating, but it's a genuine and entirely logical argument on what we should do. You'll also notice I've abandoned that line and focused a lot on scumhunting, once it's become abundantly clear that people aren't going to follow that plan, and hence there is no value to my continuing to advocate that line of action.
Secondly, if you find my town read of Koshi suspicious, why not question me yourself instead of asking Rayn to do it?
As for me being butt-hurt and zealous, I suspect you would react the same way if some guy starts abusing you the way geript was. I'm not going to apologize for that, and if he starts again, I'll continue to give as good as I get.
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On March 03 2015 21:19 Koshi wrote:
No questions for Koshixxx?
Okay, I'll bite? Why such low participation/unavailability? Koshixxx
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On March 03 2015 20:42 Mocsta wrote:
Frankly, I am surprised you haven't question Epiphany regarding his town read of Koshi.
Because i don't care about it.
I think he is wrong but it does not matter because i think he is town anyways and i don't need to convince him to lynch Koshi as we can just shoot the shit out of Koshi with or without him.
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On March 03 2015 21:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know which is better. I'd rather try it out and see what it does, if it's bad then jsut get rid of it because then noone can argue against it. I try to keep it simple.
What's your read on your mom and Mocsta?
Im lean scum on Mocsta. I don't like those pretend scum qt conversations he made doesn't seem useful to me in adding to his read because I have never really seen anyone coach people like that in scum QT's. He also mentioned that he wanted to talk about spelch and me but never ended up talking about me yet was quick to say that he thought my "slip" was important. Could be biased here because of that though.
I liked your mom for scum reading you before you reentered the thread because i agreed with that line of thought. But when you came back and actually started pushing your reads more and explaining stuff instead of just calling people mafia i felt like he stuck to his read instead of reevaluating you. This doesn't make him mafia though could just be lazy town so null for now.
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On March 03 2015 21:23 AT.Epiphany wrote:Okay, I'll bite? Why such low participation/unavailability? Koshixxx
Game started on 0000 and didn't feel like playing. I played doto and watched House of Cards.
I slept till 1200.
I am now at work till 1800, I got a lot to do so I don't think I will do to much. Depends a bit.
I will then be home but doto will call again and I have 0 urge to play this game as long as I didn't read anything yet.
So Wednesday sounds like a fun day to start.
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On March 03 2015 21:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 21:23 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 03 2015 21:19 Koshi wrote:
No questions for Koshixxx? Okay, I'll bite? Why such low participation/unavailability? Koshixxx Game started on 0000 and didn't feel like playing. I played doto and watched House of Cards. I slept till 1200. I am now at work till 1800, I got a lot to do so I don't think I will do to much. Depends a bit. I will then be home but doto will call again and I have 0 urge to play this game as long as I didn't read anything yet. So Wednesday sounds like a fun day to start.
You are one of the main people being considered to be shot. If you want to play this at all you might want to start sooner than that Koshixxx
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On March 03 2015 21:40 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 21:36 Koshi wrote:On March 03 2015 21:23 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 03 2015 21:19 Koshi wrote:
No questions for Koshixxx? Okay, I'll bite? Why such low participation/unavailability? Koshixxx Game started on 0000 and didn't feel like playing. I played doto and watched House of Cards. I slept till 1200. I am now at work till 1800, I got a lot to do so I don't think I will do to much. Depends a bit. I will then be home but doto will call again and I have 0 urge to play this game as long as I didn't read anything yet. So Wednesday sounds like a fun day to start. You are one of the main people being considered to be shot. If you want to play this at all you might want to start sooner than that Koshixxx
Kill the people sitting in rayn his ass pushing the shot on me. Or maybe rayn. We will see Wednesday. Or maybe sooner? Who knows. Really. I need to work.
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On March 03 2015 21:31 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 21:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know which is better. I'd rather try it out and see what it does, if it's bad then jsut get rid of it because then noone can argue against it. I try to keep it simple.
What's your read on your mom and Mocsta?
Im lean scum on Mocsta. I don't like those pretend scum qt conversations he made doesn't seem useful to me in adding to his read because I have never really seen anyone coach people like that in scum QT's. He also mentioned that he wanted to talk about spelch and me but never ended up talking about me yet was quick to say that he thought my "slip" was important. Could be biased here because of that though. I liked your mom for scum reading you before you reentered the thread because i agreed with that line of thought. But when you came back and actually started pushing your reads more and explaining stuff instead of just calling people mafia i felt like he stuck to his read instead of reevaluating you. This doesn't make him mafia though could just be lazy town so null for now.
The problem is your mom scumread me AFTER i had already re-entered the thread.
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And Breshke, a serious question:
Do you really think if i was mafia i would just call some random people mafia just to keep my options open?
Do you really think it's a possibility?
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The balance in this game is probably so off. It really discourages me as well.
If town starts with 3 ml they lose. Might be faster if ninjas decide to kill townies. The lynch mechanic is letting some random dude shoot another random dude in the face. Great information.
At the end of the game I already know the host + balance committee will use the excuse "but what if town actually played perfect and shot scum anyday everyday? Then the game is perfectly balanced"
Being able to convince me this is balanced might make me play sooner.
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Ssons of BUTTHIJOLE
Go forth and see that California goes to sleep at 5
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On March 03 2015 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 21:31 Breshke wrote:On March 03 2015 21:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know which is better. I'd rather try it out and see what it does, if it's bad then jsut get rid of it because then noone can argue against it. I try to keep it simple.
What's your read on your mom and Mocsta?
Im lean scum on Mocsta. I don't like those pretend scum qt conversations he made doesn't seem useful to me in adding to his read because I have never really seen anyone coach people like that in scum QT's. He also mentioned that he wanted to talk about spelch and me but never ended up talking about me yet was quick to say that he thought my "slip" was important. Could be biased here because of that though. I liked your mom for scum reading you before you reentered the thread because i agreed with that line of thought. But when you came back and actually started pushing your reads more and explaining stuff instead of just calling people mafia i felt like he stuck to his read instead of reevaluating you. This doesn't make him mafia though could just be lazy town so null for now. The problem is your mom scumread me AFTER i had already re-entered the thread.
Yeah reading his filter I didn't see that so it is probably more scummy yeah
On March 03 2015 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And Breshke, a serious question:
Do you really think if i was mafia i would just call some random people mafia just to keep my options open?
Do you really think it's a possibility?
I didn't like that you left the thread without explaining your reads. Obviously if you thought it was important enough to say those people were mafia it should have been important enough to say why, Are you asking if i think YOU would do that or if anyone would do that?
You personally I have no idea. My favorite game ive played of this you were a baller replacement so i naturally have high expectations of you. Like i don't even really see how that is keeping your options open because you have stated a clear scumread for a number of people so if you randomly start town reading them people would be suspicious.
Anyway it is getting late I'm going to head off so I'm up for what is realistically going to be the deadline tomorrow
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If I read this thread and there is nobody telling people we should shoot the first 48 hours after we actually can shoot I will be pretty sad.
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On March 03 2015 21:56 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 03 2015 21:31 Breshke wrote:On March 03 2015 21:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know which is better. I'd rather try it out and see what it does, if it's bad then jsut get rid of it because then noone can argue against it. I try to keep it simple.
What's your read on your mom and Mocsta?
Im lean scum on Mocsta. I don't like those pretend scum qt conversations he made doesn't seem useful to me in adding to his read because I have never really seen anyone coach people like that in scum QT's. He also mentioned that he wanted to talk about spelch and me but never ended up talking about me yet was quick to say that he thought my "slip" was important. Could be biased here because of that though. I liked your mom for scum reading you before you reentered the thread because i agreed with that line of thought. But when you came back and actually started pushing your reads more and explaining stuff instead of just calling people mafia i felt like he stuck to his read instead of reevaluating you. This doesn't make him mafia though could just be lazy town so null for now. The problem is your mom scumread me AFTER i had already re-entered the thread. Yeah reading his filter I didn't see that so it is probably more scummy yeah Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And Breshke, a serious question:
Do you really think if i was mafia i would just call some random people mafia just to keep my options open?
Do you really think it's a possibility? I didn't like that you left the thread without explaining your reads. Obviously if you thought it was important enough to say those people were mafia it should have been important enough to say why, Are you asking if i think YOU would do that or if anyone would do that? You personally I have no idea. My favorite game ive played of this you were a baller replacement so i naturally have high expectations of you. Like i don't even really see how that is keeping your options open because you have stated a clear scumread for a number of people so if you randomly start town reading them people would be suspicious. Anyway it is getting late I'm going to head off so I'm up for what is realistically going to be the deadline tomorrow
Okay so walk me through this. You have said these things (originally) now in the last couple of hours or so:
- sandroba is not scummy for doing a scummy thing (yes you even argued for that ^^)
- you understood your mom's read on me despite it being completely wrong as i have stated in the thread a numerous times in the last couple of pages
- you had the same thought your mom did about me calling people mafia and not explaining it further when:
- that was not your original argument against me this morning, in fact when i posted "Koshi is scum" you wanted to shoot him! You never stated that as an argument for why i am mafia, yet now you did it. I intentionally asked you about it because what you posted this morning (probably your last night) in thread does not add up with what you are saying now.
- the game you just referenced in your post, the game where i was "really good town" i started the game EXACTLY like i did here. I called two people scum and held off the reasoning for a very long time. Apparently you remember this game quite well since you referenced it, why don't you remember my play in this game at the start of the game is EXACTLY the same?
- you say you don't have an idea if i would throw out random scumreads as mafia. well, you know i do give out scumreads without initially reasoning them as town as i pointed above. You even AGREED with a scumread with me, the Koshi read, regardless of what my reasoning is/was, and now you were calling me mafia for it?
Your arguments are really out of place and you are definitely not thinking about the game properly. You are not stupid, which has been proven by your actions in many of the games you have played, so it means you are probably mafia.
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On March 03 2015 22:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2015 21:56 Breshke wrote:On March 03 2015 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 03 2015 21:31 Breshke wrote:On March 03 2015 21:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know which is better. I'd rather try it out and see what it does, if it's bad then jsut get rid of it because then noone can argue against it. I try to keep it simple.
What's your read on your mom and Mocsta?
Im lean scum on Mocsta. I don't like those pretend scum qt conversations he made doesn't seem useful to me in adding to his read because I have never really seen anyone coach people like that in scum QT's. He also mentioned that he wanted to talk about spelch and me but never ended up talking about me yet was quick to say that he thought my "slip" was important. Could be biased here because of that though. I liked your mom for scum reading you before you reentered the thread because i agreed with that line of thought. But when you came back and actually started pushing your reads more and explaining stuff instead of just calling people mafia i felt like he stuck to his read instead of reevaluating you. This doesn't make him mafia though could just be lazy town so null for now. The problem is your mom scumread me AFTER i had already re-entered the thread. Yeah reading his filter I didn't see that so it is probably more scummy yeah On March 03 2015 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And Breshke, a serious question:
Do you really think if i was mafia i would just call some random people mafia just to keep my options open?
Do you really think it's a possibility? I didn't like that you left the thread without explaining your reads. Obviously if you thought it was important enough to say those people were mafia it should have been important enough to say why, Are you asking if i think YOU would do that or if anyone would do that? You personally I have no idea. My favorite game ive played of this you were a baller replacement so i naturally have high expectations of you. Like i don't even really see how that is keeping your options open because you have stated a clear scumread for a number of people so if you randomly start town reading them people would be suspicious. Anyway it is getting late I'm going to head off so I'm up for what is realistically going to be the deadline tomorrow Okay so walk me through this. You have said these things (originally) now in the last couple of hours or so: - sandroba is not scummy for doing a scummy thing (yes you even argued for that ^^) - you understood your mom's read on me despite it being completely wrong as i have stated in the thread a numerous times in the last couple of pages - you had the same thought your mom did about me calling people mafia and not explaining it further when: - that was not your original argument against me this morning, in fact when i posted "Koshi is scum" you wanted to shoot him! You never stated that as an argument for why i am mafia, yet now you did it. I intentionally asked you about it because what you posted this morning (probably your last night) in thread does not add up with what you are saying now.
- the game you just referenced in your post, the game where i was "really good town" i started the game EXACTLY like i did here. I called two people scum and held off the reasoning for a very long time. Apparently you remember this game quite well since you referenced it, why don't you remember my play in this game at the start of the game is EXACTLY the same?
- you say you don't have an idea if i would throw out random scumreads as mafia. well, you know i do give out scumreads without initially reasoning them as town as i pointed above. You even AGREED with a scumread with me, the Koshi read, regardless of what my reasoning is/was, and now you were calling me mafia for it? Your arguments are really out of place and you are definitely not thinking about the game properly. You are not stupid, which has been proven by your actions in many of the games you have played, so it means you are probably mafia.
urgh got out of bed for this
Yes I didn't think sandroba is scummy because i didn't think about the device being a distraction when town was in a bad way. I intially said that i thought the device would be fine to be used either right away or when town was in a bad way and pointed out some reasons against the later option that occurred to me as i was writing that post. I'm town and the good reason (the one you gave about it being a distraction) did not occur to me so I find it hard to scumread sandroba for not realizing something that I also did not.
I don't get what you don't understand about my read on you. It is not a good assumption to say i remember that game well because I don't so I have no clue if your opening is similar or not. Just because I enjoyed that came doesn't mean i remember everything about it, that is a weird assumption to make.
What I do know is that you were in the thread, called people mafia and then left without explaining it. Yeah I might have agreed with you but without knowing your reasoning i can't know your thought process so i have no idea how you got these reads and that is scummy to me.
I also agreed that your moms read on you was wrong as I have also clearly stated.
Im probably not making sense because its late so im going to bed for reals this time, night.
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