[T] Jack of All Trades Mafia - Page 38

On March 04 2015 00:27 Half the Sky wrote:
Toad is reminding me much on the way he played in Hammertime. He's most likely town, as he's starting off relatively carefree (looking at his first 4-5 posts) and the question to Tubesock is coming off natural considering he doesn't know him (whereas I've played with both separately and I'd expect Tube to be making those elementary questions). The scumread on me is also following logically, since he has his expectation on how I should be playing, though I feel I've answered his concern there. Also his logic in arguing against the 3p campaign is pretty sound, and we're coming to the same conclusion on Kita as well.

To me disagreement on the Sandroba read doesn't jump out to me as alignment indicative since it's very possible you two could have very different interpretations of his play as town.

On March 04 2015 00:37 Half the Sky wrote:
I looked through YM's filter, being a smurf, obviously I cannot tell if the guy should be familiar with your play.

After playing with you in Titanic, if i recall right though, I don't like his interpretation of you keeping your reads open. It could be townie but inaccurate if this were a newer player but I'm highly doubting it. From what I recall your town game in Titanic, you did hand out a number of different reads based on your observations so I definitely don't think "you're keeping your options open" as scum. From what I recall of you, you aren't the big casemaker type when you give your reads, you only gave one in Titanic when you were effectively forced to.

Also the funny thing with YM is with his read on me is that he's clinging onto that opening without really paying attention to the rest of my content like others have. People asked me to give a read since I just spoke what was on my mind and this isnt' the first time that I'll say something and not necessarily post a conclusion in the same post as town. So where he's getting fabricated also looks like a stretch on his end.

On March 04 2015 00:33 Koshi wrote:
I will post absolutely nothing for the next 18 hours. Koshi will not make another post till this countdown is on 0:00




I made this decision after reading the posts made by 7-8 players in this game. Nothing I did was scummy this game, I just decided to not play for the first 2 hours of the game because I wanted to do other things during that time (00:00 till 02:00), slept for 10 hours and had to work after that. But for some fucking reason I am scumread by 7-8 people for this, while it doesn't make any sense in the world that I should be SHOT for this. Yes, you can put some suspicion on me, I guess that is fine. But to read the dumb certainty from people like sicklucker and rayn about my alignment just bores me and makes me mad + somewhat sad.

So I decided to do nothing till after I wake up tomorrow and maybe glance over the thread again.

Let it also be known the sentiment in this thread is pretty mafia favored, we got too many people wanting to shoot way too early. If I have to read more post from somebody like geript I actually might get cancer. The guy thinks he got reads while he just got proven wrong on every flip in an ongoing game I will not discuss further than these flips. It is just cancerous.

So I might get shot for deciding to not play this game hard in the first 24hours, so be it. This is not on me. This is on the townleaders in this thread using this lynchsystem extremely bad and thinking they are better than they actually are. Because don't be fooled. There is no case on me except meta. And the meta used on me is actually not that good, it's extremely lazy form of meta based on me not playing for 2 hours before going to bed.
Quite obviously I am still not playing, even after being awake for 4 more hours, even though I posted some things, and I just declared another +17 hours of not posting. So I guess now you could make some sort of meta read. Maybe. But tbh as mafia I am more around than this. But maybe not. I am not sure how my mafia game looks like.


I would say that we should shoot somewhere in 48 hours. That would be optimal. But I don't think that will happen because some dumbasses are putting the idea in the thread we should shoot really fast because otherwise mafia will use the shot (which is not the worst play in this atmoshphere because you might get away with it, because nobody is saying that shooting is claiming scum, or trying to make sure town doesn't shoot. And on top of that the game looks shitty balanced and getting a ml already is pretty awesome, especially if tomorrow it is cell (and then the shooter isn't in the cell) and the day after that it is mayor and mafia is able to get a scum mayor because there are no townies left anyway. GG.

Anyway. Do w.e the fuck you want. I am sitting this one out on the sidelines. I will post some smart stuff in 17 hours. If I get the chance. And I feel like. Because if somebody else is shot and it is a town I might just not give 2 fucks at all. Unless I then see mafia not nk anybody. And the ninjas hitting scum. Or something like that. My expectation for this game are low. I can already not wait to see how fast town spirit will gain points and how expensive the blue roles are against the mafia counterpart.

On March 04 2015 00:40 Half the Sky wrote:


Palmar scumread you for your scumhunting methods, IIRC, the fact that you were trying to PoE and as a result weren't coming up with any scumreads early enough. He was town and tunnelled on you, and we bowed to his pressure D2, which we shouldn't have. I didn't know your play any better otherwise I wouldn't have hammered you that game. Although considering most people here are scumread for not having scumreads, if that's the method you have normally used to find scum (PoE) I can completely understand why you've changed it since.

On March 04 2015 00:43 kitaman27 wrote:[...]

On March 04 2015 00:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I want to shoot your mom and i am doing it when the 24h mark passes if i am awake.
I encourage everyone who is town to do that because that dude is 100% mafia.

On March 04 2015 00:43 kitaman27 wrote:


Upon reading the thread, this was the first thing that I noticed. Typically town will benefit from roles more than mafia. I have no evidence that it would benefit us to maximize the length of day one, but if I had to guess I would probably say that the more points the spirit gains before the night cycle the better. The challenge would be how do we get this to happen? I'd be in favor of some sort of policy where we all agree not to shoot until an hour before the actual deadline, but for this to work everyone would need to be on board and willing to go after anyone who breaks the policy. Being realistic, there is always going to be one townie who decides to yolo the shot immediately, but I'll put the idea out there anyways. Despite this, I am also playing with the idea of taking the selfish role and insta-shooting like sandroba suggests just to have the control if I feel somewhat confident.

I like Tube's suggestion about the shot vote count, though that doesn't say much about tube the player. The biggest problem with this format is that if town makes it clear that player X is getting shot, player X simply shoots first, but that's not a problem if we just follow it for the first 22 hours.

To get the rest of the policy out of the way, I'll be guarding the button unless I have a reason to choose one of the other options. From a setup perspective, I'd put the button in the "manipulative" category where a certain player or faction has to convince others to blindly perform an action, which tends to get ugly.

Ninja's should be shooting early and often. From my experience, a ninja very rarely locates another ninja through analysis. It's mostly winning by staying alive longer. By shooting early, you maximize your chance to eliminate the other ninja's vest an open them up to a night kill. Furthermore, if you happen to hit a player with your first shot and they live, odds are you've probably won right there. Dying with two shots in hand is pretty worthless. The reason I'm saying this is that shooting early also benefits town because the mafia kp can be reduced by reducing their numbers and flipping the first mafia always snowballs the game. Ninja isn't an anti-town 3p like serial killer so we can both benefit in setups like these by working together.

Epiphany had the weak intro post feeling obligated to explain why he wasn't posting. He mentions that he is a newbie several times, even before the Mocsta post, yet then starts talking about geript saying that:

"Every single time he's been Mafia he's far more aggressive and confrontational than he is as Town. Moreover his mafia games have him rapidly suggesting lynch targets and putting out scumpiles pretty quickly. As a mafia (and not as a Town) he invariably pushes multiple targets and acts aggressively."

I could be wrong, but this would imply that he probably isn't a newbie. I don't have a problem with smurfs, but the likely deception seems scummy. Also, he needs to be less angry



This one I found a bit odd. It's fine to joke with him about being shot, but then following up with another question as if he is actually trying to trap him here either means he is attempting to look like he is scum hunting or is feeling really, really optimistic.



Heh so you thought a host was able to modify the appearance of the TeamLiquid forums for his mafia game? Right....

Koshi's idea to policy a day one shot is decent in theory to deter a poor shot, but it probably won't go anywhere.

Toads suggestion that he doesn't want to be too townish is pretty silly. You can't justify that with a straight face.

Damdred seems scummy enough to warrant keeping an eye on. Can't point to anything in specific though.

I didn't really see Obi as the clear suspect upon my first read through like Sepulchre suggests. Sepulchre comes off as a reasonable individual though.

Hopefully I'll have a better idea for a few shot targets before the 24 hour mark.