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On January 18 2015 16:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 16:02 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:55 Sub40APM wrote:On January 18 2015 15:48 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:32 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
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"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa. Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment. Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now. For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history. I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all? Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation. Vortix was more consistent than idra was in a more competitive time period for a longer period of time. I respect his multiple top 8 finishes from the latter end of 2012 to the end of 2014 more than Idra's reputation as a great Zerg in the early 2010-2011 period and MLG runs. And Thorzain's reputation was as good as Idra's during his prime. He was respected by Koreans for his methodical builds, compositions and ideas. Slayers greatly respected his play and MMA and him talked about strategy fairly often. His prime was from latter half 2011 to halfway 2012, but his strategic innovations on TvP play were extremely important and he was Naniwa's rival during that entire era for a reason with both going even in maps the entire way. Oh he also won Stockholm in 2012. And "players who Koreans feared" is fairly intangible. And yes, Vortix and Thorzain did succeed to some extent against highest level competition. I didn't say "highest level competition." I said "at the highest level," which means IN KOREA... you seem to have amnesia about IdrA winning an IEM too. All I can gather from this is that you haven't been watching SC2 as long as I have, given how you discount pre-patch WoL performances, or how you forget just how IdrA and HuK stood above the rest back then. Micro has gotten a bit better and the maps have become more balanced, but the game hasn't changed that much. The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance. pre-patch WoL? The game where InControl was a top 4 MLG player and no Korean actually played? Yea, when IdrA was the most consistent foreigner in Korea, living there and doing well in Code S. But cherry-pick and believe whatever you want, I'm done trying to teach history to a bunch of people who probably didn't watch Foxer. Oh shit name dropping obscure players like Foxer, this guy is serious.
Can't tell if that was sarcasm or you're just a dim-witted Zerg player like most of them out there. If you don't remember, Foxer stands for Fake-Boxer, a.k.a. MVP.MarineKing. I guess he has "fallen off" a bit since WoL days, so maybe you calling him an "obscure player" kinda fit. But, like I said, unless you're "sarcastic" on the "name dropping"-comment, you have just proved me right.
P.S. at this point saying you're sarcastic just makes you look like dim-witted liar, sorry you can't win. You play Zerg :\
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pigmanbear confirmed the SC2 specialist because he knows what MK's original handle in SC2 was
edit: LOL that post above me
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Finland7062 Posts
On January 18 2015 16:39 Advantageous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 16:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 18 2015 16:02 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:55 Sub40APM wrote:On January 18 2015 15:48 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:32 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
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Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment. Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now. For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history. I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all? Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation. Vortix was more consistent than idra was in a more competitive time period for a longer period of time. I respect his multiple top 8 finishes from the latter end of 2012 to the end of 2014 more than Idra's reputation as a great Zerg in the early 2010-2011 period and MLG runs. And Thorzain's reputation was as good as Idra's during his prime. He was respected by Koreans for his methodical builds, compositions and ideas. Slayers greatly respected his play and MMA and him talked about strategy fairly often. His prime was from latter half 2011 to halfway 2012, but his strategic innovations on TvP play were extremely important and he was Naniwa's rival during that entire era for a reason with both going even in maps the entire way. Oh he also won Stockholm in 2012. And "players who Koreans feared" is fairly intangible. And yes, Vortix and Thorzain did succeed to some extent against highest level competition. I didn't say "highest level competition." I said "at the highest level," which means IN KOREA... you seem to have amnesia about IdrA winning an IEM too. All I can gather from this is that you haven't been watching SC2 as long as I have, given how you discount pre-patch WoL performances, or how you forget just how IdrA and HuK stood above the rest back then. Micro has gotten a bit better and the maps have become more balanced, but the game hasn't changed that much. The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance. pre-patch WoL? The game where InControl was a top 4 MLG player and no Korean actually played? Yea, when IdrA was the most consistent foreigner in Korea, living there and doing well in Code S. But cherry-pick and believe whatever you want, I'm done trying to teach history to a bunch of people who probably didn't watch Foxer. Oh shit name dropping obscure players like Foxer, this guy is serious. Can't tell if that was sarcasm or you're just a dim-witted Zerg player like most of them out there. If you don't remember, Foxer stands for Fake-Boxer, a.k.a. MVP.MarineKing. I guess he has "fallen off" a bit since WoL days, so maybe you calling him an "obscure player" kinda fit. But, like I said, unless you're "sarcastic" on the "name dropping"-comment, you have just proved me right. P.S. at this point saying you're sarcastic just makes you look like dim-witted liar, sorry you can't win. You play Zerg :\
¨Talking about pre-patch wol is kinda stupid tho. Even BitByBit got top 4 (?) in gsl at the time.
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I'll probably get a ban for this (which I gladly accept), but after working in the corporate sector for about 10 years, my opinion about Naniwa is this:
He's a passive-aggressive piece of shit, and in ANY other "professional" environment, he'd been fired many times over a LONG time ago... Employers DO NOT tolerate unprofessional behavior, and rightly so!
Naniwa is a stupid kid who has much to learn, not just about SC2
User was temp banned for this post.
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Still can't see, why it should be called the "worth" player 
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United States1225 Posts
On January 18 2015 16:03 stuchiu wrote:I am also Bill Simmons Jalen Rose David Jacoby Bill Barnwell Juliet Litman Rembert Browne Zach Lowe
If you're goin for a Fab Five'r, go for Juwan Howard. He's actually got dem rings.
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On January 18 2015 14:25 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 14:20 Legio wrote:
So why do all these pros come out of the woodwork to pick a fight with Naniwa? What does that tell us about them? Actually, Naniwa during his retirement came out of the woodwork to pick a fight with kane.
Maybe it only took him 2 weeks to get back in the top of foreign SC2, but his Twitter skills needed regular practice.
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Is this really an article that is only about Naniwa? Is the SC2 scene weird to the point where a player can have the most unprofessional possible behavior and still have an article only about him?
As Kane said, how about making an article about Nerchio or about all the respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers out there (instead of calling them some random "qualifier hero")?
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TLADT24920 Posts
hehe drama. Regardless whether someone is a Nani fan or a hater, still gotta admit that he gets the views. The first SCII article that I've read in ages and I agree with the overall point of it.
On January 18 2015 16:45 fronkschnonk wrote:Still can't see, why it should be called the "worth" player
check who edited the article 
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Mute City2363 Posts
Nerchio
respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers
lol
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On January 18 2015 16:41 Ej_ wrote:
pigmanbear confirmed the SC2 specialist because he knows what MK's original handle in SC2 was
edit: LOL that post above me
MarineKing's original handle was Boxer, Foxer is just a nickname; don't think he ever actually used it.
Not that this is in the slightest relevant to anything at all.
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On January 18 2015 16:57 thecrazymunchkin wrote:lol
You missed the "or" part. Though Nerchio never accused ESL's PCs or soundproofing for his losses afaik.
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On January 18 2015 16:52 OtherWorld wrote:
Is this really an article that is only about Naniwa? Is the SC2 scene weird to the point where a player can have the most unprofessional possible behavior and still have an article only about him?
As Kane said, how about making an article about Nerchio or about all the respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers out there (instead of calling them some random "qualifier hero")?
Players being extremely unprofessional and getting articles about only them as a result is extremely common in sports; I don't know what you're talking about. Plus writing articles about random pros isn't as interesting.
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On January 18 2015 16:44 RevTiberius wrote:
I'll probably get a ban for this (which I gladly accept), but after working in the corporate sector for about 10 years, my opinion about Naniwa is this:
He's a passive-aggressive piece of shit, and in ANY other "professional" environment, he'd been fired many times over a LONG time ago... Employers DO NOT tolerate unprofessional behavior, and rightly so!
Naniwa is a stupid kid who has much to learn, not just about SC2
User was temp banned for this post.
Martyr ban: making life easy for TL moderators for years.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On January 18 2015 16:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 16:41 Ej_ wrote:
pigmanbear confirmed the SC2 specialist because he knows what MK's original handle in SC2 was
edit: LOL that post above me MarineKing's original handle was Boxer, Foxer is just a nickname; don't think he ever actually used it. Not that this is in the slightest relevant to anything at all.
this. Boxer used to have the manofpower or somethng handle back when rumours came out that he was trying the game then once he started playing it, the fans changed MKP's handle from boxer to foxer (fake boxer) into MKP eventually (info for those who weren't present at the time ^^).
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On January 18 2015 16:39 Advantageous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 16:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 18 2015 16:02 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:55 Sub40APM wrote:On January 18 2015 15:48 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:32 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
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Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment. Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now. For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history. I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all? Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation. Vortix was more consistent than idra was in a more competitive time period for a longer period of time. I respect his multiple top 8 finishes from the latter end of 2012 to the end of 2014 more than Idra's reputation as a great Zerg in the early 2010-2011 period and MLG runs. And Thorzain's reputation was as good as Idra's during his prime. He was respected by Koreans for his methodical builds, compositions and ideas. Slayers greatly respected his play and MMA and him talked about strategy fairly often. His prime was from latter half 2011 to halfway 2012, but his strategic innovations on TvP play were extremely important and he was Naniwa's rival during that entire era for a reason with both going even in maps the entire way. Oh he also won Stockholm in 2012. And "players who Koreans feared" is fairly intangible. And yes, Vortix and Thorzain did succeed to some extent against highest level competition. I didn't say "highest level competition." I said "at the highest level," which means IN KOREA... you seem to have amnesia about IdrA winning an IEM too. All I can gather from this is that you haven't been watching SC2 as long as I have, given how you discount pre-patch WoL performances, or how you forget just how IdrA and HuK stood above the rest back then. Micro has gotten a bit better and the maps have become more balanced, but the game hasn't changed that much. The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance. pre-patch WoL? The game where InControl was a top 4 MLG player and no Korean actually played? Yea, when IdrA was the most consistent foreigner in Korea, living there and doing well in Code S. But cherry-pick and believe whatever you want, I'm done trying to teach history to a bunch of people who probably didn't watch Foxer. Oh shit name dropping obscure players like Foxer, this guy is serious. Can't tell if that was sarcasm or you're just a dim-witted Zerg player like most of them out there. If you don't remember, Foxer stands for Fake-Boxer, a.k.a. MVP.MarineKing. I guess he has "fallen off" a bit since WoL days, so maybe you calling him an "obscure player" kinda fit. But, like I said, unless you're "sarcastic" on the "name dropping"-comment, you have just proved me right. P.S. at this point saying you're sarcastic just makes you look like dim-witted liar, sorry you can't win. You play Zerg :\
Can't tell if serious or troll.. Need swag bro in here to fill me in.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On January 18 2015 17:02 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 16:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On January 18 2015 16:41 Ej_ wrote:
pigmanbear confirmed the SC2 specialist because he knows what MK's original handle in SC2 was
edit: LOL that post above me MarineKing's original handle was Boxer, Foxer is just a nickname; don't think he ever actually used it. Not that this is in the slightest relevant to anything at all. this. Boxer used to have the manofpower or somethng handle back when rumours came out that he was trying the game then once he started playing it, the fans changed MKP's handle from boxer to foxer (fake boxer) into MKP eventually (info for those who weren't present at the time ^^).
Boxer's handle for a short while was ManofOneway
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I still don't get why folks in this community get upset when players trash talk or "missbehave" as this community puts it. It's like none of you ever watched sports or been apart of the entertainment industry. It's like common among professional athletes to have drama, trash talk, stir the pot to make things interesting.
It's so silly reading peoples comments on how everyone should behave like they are bankers or in the office handling clients all day. You guys are silly.
At the end of the day Esports is apart of the entertainment industry, are you not entertained?
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On January 18 2015 16:39 Advantageous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 16:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 18 2015 16:02 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:55 Sub40APM wrote:On January 18 2015 15:48 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:32 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
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Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment. Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now. For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history. I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all? Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation. Vortix was more consistent than idra was in a more competitive time period for a longer period of time. I respect his multiple top 8 finishes from the latter end of 2012 to the end of 2014 more than Idra's reputation as a great Zerg in the early 2010-2011 period and MLG runs. And Thorzain's reputation was as good as Idra's during his prime. He was respected by Koreans for his methodical builds, compositions and ideas. Slayers greatly respected his play and MMA and him talked about strategy fairly often. His prime was from latter half 2011 to halfway 2012, but his strategic innovations on TvP play were extremely important and he was Naniwa's rival during that entire era for a reason with both going even in maps the entire way. Oh he also won Stockholm in 2012. And "players who Koreans feared" is fairly intangible. And yes, Vortix and Thorzain did succeed to some extent against highest level competition. I didn't say "highest level competition." I said "at the highest level," which means IN KOREA... you seem to have amnesia about IdrA winning an IEM too. All I can gather from this is that you haven't been watching SC2 as long as I have, given how you discount pre-patch WoL performances, or how you forget just how IdrA and HuK stood above the rest back then. Micro has gotten a bit better and the maps have become more balanced, but the game hasn't changed that much. The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance. pre-patch WoL? The game where InControl was a top 4 MLG player and no Korean actually played? Yea, when IdrA was the most consistent foreigner in Korea, living there and doing well in Code S. But cherry-pick and believe whatever you want, I'm done trying to teach history to a bunch of people who probably didn't watch Foxer. Oh shit name dropping obscure players like Foxer, this guy is serious. Can't tell if that was sarcasm or you're just a dim-witted Zerg player like most of them out there. If you don't remember, Foxer stands for Fake-Boxer, a.k.a. MVP.MarineKing. I guess he has "fallen off" a bit since WoL days, so maybe you calling him an "obscure player" kinda fit. But, like I said, unless you're "sarcastic" on the "name dropping"-comment, you have just proved me right. P.S. at this point saying you're sarcastic just makes you look like dim-witted liar, sorry you can't win. You play Zerg :\
Thx for the comic relief bro. Even after your seemingly hateful and angry edit, I feel you. I know deeeeeeeep down that you knew that the guy stuchis was talking to was acting like a bitter fool and thus posted your first post as a comic distraction from the hate, and then followed up with your "hateful" edit to continue the joke by any means necessary.
Don't worry, I never thought you sucked at getting sarcasm and made a fool of yourself twice over in one post. Props to you man.
Continuing on, pretty sad day seeing this nani kid back in SC2. It does point out how many sc2 fans are bad people inside though! Although this was known beforehand anyways...
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