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NaNiwa vs The World: The Icon and the Pariah - Page 8

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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 18 2015 08:15 GMT
#141
On January 18 2015 17:09 opterown wrote:
manofoneway


What an incredibly appropriate id for boxer.
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HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
January 18 2015 08:17 GMT
#142
On January 18 2015 16:39 Advantageous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 16:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:02 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:55 Sub40APM wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:48 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:32 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
[quote]

Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all?

Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation.


Vortix was more consistent than idra was in a more competitive time period for a longer period of time. I respect his multiple top 8 finishes from the latter end of 2012 to the end of 2014 more than Idra's reputation as a great Zerg in the early 2010-2011 period and MLG runs.

And Thorzain's reputation was as good as Idra's during his prime. He was respected by Koreans for his methodical builds, compositions and ideas. Slayers greatly respected his play and MMA and him talked about strategy fairly often. His prime was from latter half 2011 to halfway 2012, but his strategic innovations on TvP play were extremely important and he was Naniwa's rival during that entire era for a reason with both going even in maps the entire way. Oh he also won Stockholm in 2012.

And "players who Koreans feared" is fairly intangible. And yes, Vortix and Thorzain did succeed to some extent against highest level competition.

I didn't say "highest level competition." I said "at the highest level," which means IN KOREA... you seem to have amnesia about IdrA winning an IEM too. All I can gather from this is that you haven't been watching SC2 as long as I have, given how you discount pre-patch WoL performances, or how you forget just how IdrA and HuK stood above the rest back then. Micro has gotten a bit better and the maps have become more balanced, but the game hasn't changed that much. The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance.

pre-patch WoL? The game where InControl was a top 4 MLG player and no Korean actually played?

Yea, when IdrA was the most consistent foreigner in Korea, living there and doing well in Code S. But cherry-pick and believe whatever you want, I'm done trying to teach history to a bunch of people who probably didn't watch Foxer.


Oh shit name dropping obscure players like Foxer, this guy is serious.


Can't tell if that was sarcasm or you're just a dim-witted Zerg player like most of them out there. If you don't remember, Foxer stands for Fake-Boxer, a.k.a. MVP.MarineKing. I guess he has "fallen off" a bit since WoL days, so maybe you calling him an "obscure player" kinda fit. But, like I said, unless you're "sarcastic" on the "name dropping"-comment, you have just proved me right.

P.S. at this point saying you're sarcastic just makes you look like dim-witted liar, sorry you can't win. You play Zerg :\
So you are saying zerg is weak and zerg players only win because of skill?
P.S. What was the point that he proved right in the first place :D
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
January 18 2015 08:36 GMT
#143
Haha, great article NaNi does bring life into things though^^
Also his theme song should be Without me - Eminem :D
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Nimrod.519
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada19 Posts
January 18 2015 08:38 GMT
#144
I don't think I realized how much I missed naniwa until he came back. Sc2 seems so dull without him, I hope he's here to stay.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 18 2015 08:38 GMT
#145
On January 18 2015 17:09 opterown wrote:
manofoneway


The greatest starcraft id ever.

Boxer wasted it as an alt :/
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IcookTacos
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden295 Posts
January 18 2015 08:44 GMT
#146
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


If you really liked Starcraft, you would understand why he's one of the most important players we have ever had.


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forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
January 18 2015 08:44 GMT
#147
Is he back?

That's a shame.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
January 18 2015 08:49 GMT
#148
I have no strong opinions either way on naniwa
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 09:08:00
January 18 2015 09:07 GMT
#149
On January 18 2015 17:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 16:52 OtherWorld wrote:
Is this really an article that is only about Naniwa? Is the SC2 scene weird to the point where a player can have the most unprofessional possible behavior and still have an article only about him?
As Kane said, how about making an article about Nerchio or about all the respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers out there (instead of calling them some random "qualifier hero")?


Players being extremely unprofessional and getting articles about only them as a result is extremely common in sports; I don't know what you're talking about. Plus writing articles about random pros isn't as interesting.

Except that in sports, unprofessional players are not the only ones to get articles about them. They also get articles about them because of their results, their showman behavior, a memorable moment of the year, a recovery after an accident (ok this one is uncommon in eSports), etc.
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 09:17:47
January 18 2015 09:14 GMT
#150
On January 18 2015 18:07 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 17:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:52 OtherWorld wrote:
Is this really an article that is only about Naniwa? Is the SC2 scene weird to the point where a player can have the most unprofessional possible behavior and still have an article only about him?
As Kane said, how about making an article about Nerchio or about all the respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers out there (instead of calling them some random "qualifier hero")?


Players being extremely unprofessional and getting articles about only them as a result is extremely common in sports; I don't know what you're talking about. Plus writing articles about random pros isn't as interesting.

Except that in sports, unprofessional players are not the only ones to get articles about them. They also get articles about them because of their results, their showman behavior, a memorable moment of the year, a recovery after an accident (ok this one is uncommon in eSports), etc.

Naniwa is obviously a big deal in the StarCraft community. Him qualifying for WCS is a huge storyline and the idea that he shouldn't be written about unless they write an article for everyone is absurd. You don't have to agree or condone with his behavior to understand this. Obviously plenty of people care about him. I for one thing think he was way over the line for his comment about Kane. However try telling a sports newspaper they shouldn't write about Zlatan. It makes no sense. Both Zlatan and Naniwa are some of the very best to have played the game.
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Ciubhran
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden98 Posts
January 18 2015 09:18 GMT
#151
On January 18 2015 18:14 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 18:07 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 18 2015 17:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:52 OtherWorld wrote:
Is this really an article that is only about Naniwa? Is the SC2 scene weird to the point where a player can have the most unprofessional possible behavior and still have an article only about him?
As Kane said, how about making an article about Nerchio or about all the respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers out there (instead of calling them some random "qualifier hero")?


Players being extremely unprofessional and getting articles about only them as a result is extremely common in sports; I don't know what you're talking about. Plus writing articles about random pros isn't as interesting.

Except that in sports, unprofessional players are not the only ones to get articles about them. They also get articles about them because of their results, their showman behavior, a memorable moment of the year, a recovery after an accident (ok this one is uncommon in eSports), etc.

Naniwa is obviously a big deal in the StarCraft community. Him qualifying for WCS is a huge storyline and the idea that he shouldn't be written about unless they write an article for everyone is absurd. You don't have to agree or condone with his behavior to understand this. Obviously plenty of people care about him. I for one thing think he was way over the line for his comment about Kane. However try telling a sports newspaper they shouldn't write about Zlatan. It makes no sense. Both Zlatan and Naniwa are some of the very best to have played the game.


They're also both Swedish!

Go Sweden!
phyren
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1067 Posts
January 18 2015 09:19 GMT
#152


With all the talk of professionalism and old player name dropping in this thread, I felt compelled to search out this clip. Not that I'm trying to draw parallels, but I hope for more lols like what I had from this video and this thread.
JyB
Profile Joined January 2012
France466 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 09:26:35
January 18 2015 09:26 GMT
#153
ahah Kane. You threw the jab.


Ciubhran
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden98 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 09:27:44
January 18 2015 09:26 GMT
#154
On January 18 2015 18:26 JyB wrote:
ahah

https://twitter.com/mYiKane/status/556680516984766464


Oh, man... This is embarassing. The cringe is real.

Seems like Kane will do anything to not have to get rekt by Naniwa in WCS.
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
January 18 2015 09:28 GMT
#155
On January 18 2015 18:26 JyB wrote:
ahah Kane. You threw the jab.

https://twitter.com/mYiKane/status/556680516984766464


The old saying regarding houses of glass and stone throwing comes to mind.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 18 2015 09:28 GMT
#156
On January 18 2015 18:26 Ciubhran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 18:26 JyB wrote:
ahah

https://twitter.com/mYiKane/status/556680516984766464


Oh, man... This is embarassing. The cringe is real.

Seems like Kane will do anything to not have to get rekt by Naniwa in WCS.


Yeah. I don't really like Naniwa anymore, but this is super weak on Kane's part xD
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SonGoku
Profile Joined September 2013
Germany152 Posts
January 18 2015 09:29 GMT
#157
I just love Naniwa.
Kane acts just like a little child. First poke the bear and then go tells mammy when bear hits back. little spineless heh?
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
January 18 2015 09:29 GMT
#158
On January 18 2015 16:52 OtherWorld wrote:
Is this really an article that is only about Naniwa? Is the SC2 scene weird to the point where a player can have the most unprofessional possible behavior and still have an article only about him?
As Kane said, how about making an article about Nerchio or about all the respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers out there (instead of calling them some random "qualifier hero")?



Agreed. If TL wants suggestions, I met a really nice, respectful opponent on gold league the other day who would make a great subject. He is just as relevant the current batch of non-naniwa foreigner pros, so why not.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 09:40:19
January 18 2015 09:36 GMT
#159
On January 18 2015 18:14 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 18:07 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 18 2015 17:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:52 OtherWorld wrote:
Is this really an article that is only about Naniwa? Is the SC2 scene weird to the point where a player can have the most unprofessional possible behavior and still have an article only about him?
As Kane said, how about making an article about Nerchio or about all the respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers out there (instead of calling them some random "qualifier hero")?


Players being extremely unprofessional and getting articles about only them as a result is extremely common in sports; I don't know what you're talking about. Plus writing articles about random pros isn't as interesting.

Except that in sports, unprofessional players are not the only ones to get articles about them. They also get articles about them because of their results, their showman behavior, a memorable moment of the year, a recovery after an accident (ok this one is uncommon in eSports), etc.

Naniwa is obviously a big deal in the StarCraft community. Him qualifying for WCS is a huge storyline and the idea that he shouldn't be written about unless they write an article for everyone is absurd. You don't have to agree or condone with his behavior to understand this. Obviously plenty of people care about him. I for one thing think he was way over the line for his comment about Kane. However try telling a sports newspaper they shouldn't write about Zlatan. It makes no sense. Both Zlatan and Naniwa are some of the very best to have played the game.

I guess I'm just angry at him getting more exposure than he would get if he had the behavior of a Snute or of a Scarlett then.
edit : I guess I'm also angry at all the NaNifans coming back to praise him and excuse every mistake he makes by accusing Swarm Hosts/Terran/soundproofing/whatever (and insulting his opponents too).
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Frost bitE
Profile Joined July 2013
Malaysia27 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 09:39:28
January 18 2015 09:37 GMT
#160
Go Go Go Naniwa !! All the best in your career !! It's back boys ! this is hypeeeuuu !! ^__^
Plus Naniwa is handsome ! tee hehe
Drone like a madmen ! ^_^
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