EPTNaNiwa vs The World: The Icon and the Pariah - Page 5
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
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Jornada
United States223 Posts
On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote: I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy  I'd rather be an irrelevant fanboy then have no success in SC2... but i guess you have become accustomed to that position.... I'd rather also be an irrelevant fanboy then make lame videos of myself petting myself. yea... im good with where im at you on the other hand. Keep on qualifying for challenger. And if you want a piece of this Fanboy all you gotta do is msg Jornada.156 | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On January 18 2015 15:20 Legio wrote: He might not even get that far. Kane is running a Twitter campaign now to have him DQ'ed by Blizzard. Won't happen. Worse Blizzard will do is fine him, I don't think even that. I guess since its Naniwa, he might ragequit SCII because of the fine, and claim its unfair and that Kane should be fined for his other Twitter comments, but I doubt it. On January 18 2015 15:25 Cascade wrote: Sorry to go off-topic from the drama, but can we talk just a bit about nanis sc2 form? Is he as good as before? Then we can continue with the personal insults and drama please. We haven't seen much of his play, but he hasn't practised for a while so he's certainly not at his former level at the peak of his form. However, due to that his form may increase dramatically as we approach the WCS season, so there's really no way to know. Personally I don't think he'll make it far, but its really up in the air. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote: Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation. Vortix was more consistent than idra was in a more competitive time period for a longer period of time. I respect his multiple top 8 finishes from the latter end of 2012 to the end of 2014 more than Idra's reputation as a great Zerg in the early 2010-2011 period and MLG runs. And Thorzain's reputation was as good as Idra's during his prime. He was respected by Koreans for his methodical builds, compositions and ideas. Slayers greatly respected his play and MMA and him talked about strategy fairly often. His prime was from latter half 2011 to halfway 2012, but his strategic innovations on TvP play were extremely important and he was Naniwa's rival during that entire era for a reason with both going even in maps the entire way. Oh he also won Stockholm in 2012. And "players who Koreans feared" is fairly intangible. And yes, Vortix and Thorzain did succeed to some extent against highest level competition. | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 18 2015 15:26 oBlade wrote: Well this piece really takes a stand doesn't it?  a tautological stand | ||
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ColdSCII
United States12 Posts
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
On January 18 2015 15:25 Cascade wrote: Sorry to go off-topic from the drama, but can we talk just a bit about nanis sc2 form? Is he as good as before? Then we can continue with the personal insults and drama please. Well, no one actually knows Naniwa's current state. From the looks of it, he only participated in the third qualifier for WCS EU, and he made it through in that one time. He beat Space Marine, Mana, Hanfy, and Happy -- mostly players who ended up qualifying eventually. He looked quite solid versus those players. Does he look as good as before? Well, depends on what stage of before you look at. Does he look like a top 8 GSL player? No, of course not. But he does look very solid, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him beat Nerchio. For reference, Nerchio beat Tefel, lost to Dayshi, beat Complain, lost to Ptit Drogo, lost to some guy named Miszu, lost to fraer, beat ZhuGeLiang, beat Complain (again), and beat Space Marine. He qualified on his 5th qualifier versus Naniwa's 1st qualifier. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote: Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation. Thorzain is easily up there with the best foreigners. Winning TSL3 and an offline premiere (DH) with Koreans in it is nothing to scoff at. He had his share of other good performances against Koreans as well, such as when he almost beat DRG in DH Valencia. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Only foreigner to win a Premier Tournament in the WCS era, guys can't argue against that | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On January 18 2015 15:42 lichter wrote: I like how everyone neglected Sen in this argument, just like always. Only foreigner to win a Premier Tournament in the WCS era, guys can't argue against that oh fo sho Top 5 foreigner of all time imo. The forgotten badass. Been one of the best outside of Korea since the beta days of WoL. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On January 18 2015 15:42 lichter wrote: I like how everyone neglected Sen in this argument, just like always. Only foreigner to win a Premier Tournament in the WCS era, guys can't argue against that Well, you kind of can when you look at his bracket | ||
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IMLyte
Canada714 Posts
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argonautdice
Canada2704 Posts
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pigmanbear
Angola2010 Posts
On January 18 2015 15:32 stuchiu wrote: Vortix was more consistent than idra was in a more competitive time period for a longer period of time. I respect his multiple top 8 finishes from the latter end of 2012 to the end of 2014 more than Idra's reputation as a great Zerg in the early 2010-2011 period and MLG runs. And Thorzain's reputation was as good as Idra's during his prime. He was respected by Koreans for his methodical builds, compositions and ideas. Slayers greatly respected his play and MMA and him talked about strategy fairly often. His prime was from latter half 2011 to halfway 2012, but his strategic innovations on TvP play were extremely important and he was Naniwa's rival during that entire era for a reason with both going even in maps the entire way. Oh he also won Stockholm in 2012. And "players who Koreans feared" is fairly intangible. And yes, Vortix and Thorzain did succeed to some extent against highest level competition. I didn't say "highest level competition." I said "at the highest level," which means IN KOREA... you seem to have amnesia about IdrA winning an IEM too. All I can gather from this is that you haven't been watching SC2 as long as I have, given how you discount pre-patch WoL performances, or how you forget just how IdrA and HuK stood above the rest back then. Micro has gotten a bit better and the maps have become more balanced, but the game hasn't changed that much. The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance. | ||
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pigmanbear
Angola2010 Posts
On January 18 2015 15:42 lichter wrote: I like how everyone neglected Sen in this argument, just like always. Only foreigner to win a Premier Tournament in the WCS era, guys can't argue against that Homefield advantage + underwhelming competition + few terrans when terrans dominated = unimpressive. I'm happy for Sen, but a lone tournament victory does not measure up to what the other guys I mentioned did. No clue why Taiwan Open was given Premier status even. Sen belongs in the next tier of foreigners with Scarlett, Snute, and Thorzain. | ||
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Legio
Sweden235 Posts
On January 18 2015 15:25 Cascade wrote: Sorry to go off-topic from the drama, but can we talk just a bit about nanis sc2 form? Is he as good as before? Then we can continue with the personal insults and drama please. I think he looked kind of rough around the edges. Definitely not in shape to start killing Koreans, I felt like he was simply waiting out Happy, and hoping his control would win him a decisive engagement. But even when Naniwa did win engagements, he didn't pounce on them for the kill like you see Koreans doing. In terms of macro and micro, he was top shelf foreigner level for sure. He is not going to make mistakes or get stressed out, but he was vulnerable against Happy in game one. His main was getting dropped over and over. He seems to be content to play with an economy deficit for some reason. I'm not sure if that is confidence, or simply his style of protoss. | ||
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
On January 18 2015 15:48 argonautdice wrote: I like Naniwa because he is kind to women. Yeah, Kas can't say that. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On January 18 2015 15:48 pigmanbear wrote: I didn't say "highest level competition." I said "at the highest level," which means IN KOREA... you seem to have amnesia about IdrA winning an IEM too. All I can gather from this is that you haven't been watching SC2 as long as I have, given how you discount pre-patch WoL performances, or how you forget just how IdrA and HuK stood above the rest back then. Micro has gotten a bit better and the maps have become more balanced, but the game hasn't changed that much. The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance. pre-patch WoL? The game where InControl was a top 4 MLG player and no Korean actually played? | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 18 2015 15:48 pigmanbear wrote: I didn't say "highest level competition." I said "at the highest level," which means IN KOREA... you seem to have amnesia about IdrA winning an IEM too. All I can gather from this is that you haven't been watching SC2 as long as I have, given how you discount pre-patch WoL performances, or how you forget just how IdrA and HuK stood above the rest back then. Micro has gotten a bit better and the maps have become more balanced, but the game hasn't changed that much. The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance. You're making multiple fallacious arguments. And even more ad hominem attacks as time goes on. At this point, no argument I make no matter how cogent or factual will convince you otherwise. May as well stop here. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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