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On January 18 2015 14:20 Legio wrote:
So why do all these pros come out of the woodwork to pick a fight with Naniwa? What does that tell us about them?
A lot, a lot a lot a lot.
I wish more people were aware of the image they present. It's like any big drama, if there's people acting a bit not quite 100% that's one thing. It's obvious that they're giving off some kind of image, and likely don't care. But the people coming out in opposition to it often look like the bigger idiots in my eyes.
There is very little Naniwa can do to damage his reputation in my eyes (interpret that how you will). But everyone else seems so eager to drag their own reputation through the mud when talking about Nani.
I just love it.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.
That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too... It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result. Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far. "Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.
Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.
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On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.
That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too... It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result. Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far. "Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa. Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.
Snute too, Snute's probably above most of them even.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Right, Snute is fucking great.
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On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.
That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too... It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result. Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far. "Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa. Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.
Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.
For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.
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Thank you for coming back naniwa. TL news articles and LR threads just got alot more fun to browse!!!
If you win WCS make sure you thank the important people like the guy who put delay onto the stream, the power company for not having a blackout, your opponent for sucking. Things like that
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On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.
That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too... It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result. Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far. "Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa. Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment. Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now. For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.
I think at some point, a lot of Koreans have feared Snute. Some have probably feared Vortix Sen and Scarlett at points in at least some matchups too, though not the tip top ones obviously
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On January 18 2015 15:10 stuchiu wrote:
Right, Snute is fucking great.
i thought you hated snute don't lie
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Vatican City State582 Posts
On January 18 2015 14:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5PK9au3.png) Naniwa proving this article right already Such a low blow. Literally as low as you can get, cause it's a leg.
wow, i am going to hell........
lol'd so hard..
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.
That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too... It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result. Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far. "Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa. Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment. Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now. For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.
Sen, Taiwan Open. Only foreigner Premier Tournament Champ since the dawn of WCS.
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On January 18 2015 15:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.
That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too... It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result. Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far. "Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa. Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment. Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now. For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history. I think at some point, a lot of Koreans have feared Snute. Some have probably feared Vortix Sen and Scarlett at points in at least some matchups too, though not the tip top ones obviously
There's a chasm between IdrA, Stephano, HuK, and Naniwa and the rest of the foreigners. Except for Stephano, they had good showings in the GSL. Stephano stands out for how he completely dominated the foreign scene, but he was towards retirement when he did a stint in Korea.
Or maybe we'd like to forget what happens to the rest. Anyone remember Leenock vs. Thorzain?
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
It'll be interesting to see how far he'll go in WCS. It'll be really frickin entertaining to see how many feuds he can start along the way.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.
That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too... It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result. Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far. "Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa. Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment. Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now. For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.
I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all?
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On January 18 2015 15:18 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 15:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.
That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too... It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result. Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far. "Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa. Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment. Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now. For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history. I think at some point, a lot of Koreans have feared Snute. Some have probably feared Vortix Sen and Scarlett at points in at least some matchups too, though not the tip top ones obviously There's a chasm between IdrA, Stephano, HuK, and Naniwa and the rest of the foreigners. Except for Stephano, they had good showings in the GSL. Stephano stands out for how he completely dominated the foreign scene, but he was towards retirement when he did a stint in Korea. Or maybe we'd like to forget what happens to the rest. Anyone remember Leenock vs. Thorzain?
Any player who's peak was 2010 or early 2011 had a much easier time being dominant than you could in today's game which has way more talent all around. Idra and Huk mainly, but those others to an extent had better timing than anything else.
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I am so pumped Naniwa is BACKKKKKKKK
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On January 18 2015 15:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
It'll be interesting to see how far he'll go in WCS. It'll be really frickin entertaining to see how many feuds he can start along the way.
He might not even get that far. Kane is running a Twitter campaign now to have him DQ'ed by Blizzard.
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On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.
That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too... It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result. Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far. "Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa. Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment. Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now. For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.
I dunno about Idra man. I mean, he's beat a few Koreans, but I wouldn't say he's ever been a top-tier player in SC2 (or in BW, but he was for some time the best foreigner in BW). I suppose MMA did fear him enough that he killed his own CC, though.
On January 18 2015 15:20 Legio wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 15:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
It'll be interesting to see how far he'll go in WCS. It'll be really frickin entertaining to see how many feuds he can start along the way. He might not even get that far. Kane is running a Twitter campaign now to have him DQ'ed by Blizzard.
If Blizzard/WCS has to have a bunch of rallying pros to be able to make a decision, then the decision shouldn't be made. Tournament organizers need to have some balls and stand by their decisions.
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On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.
That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too... It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result. Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far. "Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa. Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment. Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now. For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history. I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all?
Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation.
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Sorry to go off-topic from the drama, but can we talk just a bit about nanis sc2 form? Is he as good as before? Then we can continue with the personal insults and drama please. 
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On January 18 2015 13:40 stuchiu wrote:
Naniwa is who he is.
On January 18 2015 13:40 stuchiu wrote:
Naniwa is Naniwa
Well this piece really takes a stand doesn't it? 
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