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NaNiwa vs The World: The Icon and the Pariah

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NaNiwa vs The World: The Icon and the Pariah

Text bystuchiu
Graphics byv1
January 18th, 2015 04:40 GMT

by stuchiu

10 months. It has been 10 long months since the last time Naniwa stepped into the booth to play SC2. And in that time SC2 had become a much calmer, more peaceful place. But the second Naniwa decided to enter competitive play once more, the entire EU community erupted as player after player after player wanted to take him out, including: Dayshi, Kas, Happy, MarineLord, Miniraiser, Nerchio, Kane. And what caused it all was Naniwa exercising his right to force the Russian stream off the game as they had been broadcasting without delay. In typical Naniwa fashion, he made certain to accuse Happy of stream watching before kicking them out.

As has become tradition, the Live Report thread ended with fans and haters slinging mud at each other until it all ended with a hail of bans. Nothing had changed. Even 10 months since his departure from SC2, Naniwa’s mere participation had led to more EU rivalries in one day than the entirety of 2013.

Naniwa himself incites conflict.

Even before his infamous incident at IEM Katowice, Naniwa was a nexus of constant arguing. Take for instance his road to Blizzcon in 2013. During that year, Zealousy released an article previewing Naniwa at Blizzcon. In it he described Naniwa as the most polarizing figure to have ever played the game. One that had always played the game for himself above all else. In typical fashion, posters got angry at the assessment, calling it negative, false, biased or shit. Naniwa then went on to almost quote Zealousy verbatim in his Blizzcon preview video where he said, "I came here with my own strength, and I will continue to play for myself. Whether you cheer for me or not, that's up to you, of course. I appreciate it but, you're not the reason I play the game. I play because I like to win."

This anecdote is a microcosm of the entire dynamic of SC2’s relationship with Naniwa. No statement made about Naniwa, no matter how true, can be made without an entire discourse that ends with both sides flaming each other. Those who hate Naniwa constantly bring up his attitude problems, his flaming and his unprofessional behavior. Those who love him either shrug off those antics or revel in them. In either case both his fans and his haters cannot deny his skill in the game. It is a common turn of phrase when discussing Naniwa to hear something along the lines of, “Despite what he does, I love Naniwa because he wins.” Or “If only Naniwa would stop doing this shit, I’d be a fan.”

The arguments about Naniwa hinge on two major aspects. His skill in the game, and his actions outside of it. And a majority of fans focus on either one or the other as though they were two separate, distinct parts. I believe this is a flawed simplification of who or what Naniwa is.

It is Naniwa’s ego that drives everything above all else. It is why he is one of the most intensely competitive players in the scene. It is also why he is a terrible loser prone to flaming people for his losses. It is why he can go practice upwards to 14 hours a day on ladder or drop the game for months before coming back. It is the drive, the ego, the ambition, the relentless pursuit of being the best that makes Naniwa both an icon of SC2 and its pariah.

That drive is what forced Naniwa to push through and get 2nd at MLG Providence in 2011. It was also that same drive that made him feel utterly repulsed and disgusted at being forced to play a meaningless game against Nestea. That drive forced him to go to Korea and try to become the best and led to his consecutive Ro8 finishes in Code S. That drive is also what led him to scream in the parking lot after his loss to Mvp and then accuse Polt and ST of leaking replays.

For every pro SC2 player, every victory or loss is keenly felt (unless you’re Taeja or Life who don’t seem to give a fuck). Every victory is an affirmation of your skill, your time, you work, your everything. Every loss is a condemnation. A mark of shame that reaches into your chest and boils over as the rage, the shame, the hatred, the anger, the disgust, the repulsion overcomes and overwhelms you in waves. These feelings are something every competitive player has felt at some point in their career. The biggest difference between Naniwa and the rest of the SC2 players is he can’t contain it. He cannot put on a public persona for his fans. He loves his fans, but in the end he plays for himself. So when he loses he finds excuses, he flames, he rages, he talks shit, or he forfeits one of the largest tournaments of the year after 1 game due to soundproofing issues.

As to the truth of the situation we will almost certainly never know. And the truth of the matter is that it doesn’t matter. Because this was just another incident of Naniwa being who he is. A force of competitive will that has simultaneously created some of the best and some of the worst moments in SC2 history. One whose ego, drive, ambition, and will has forced him atop the SC2 elite class with equal amounts of praise and derision. That is what Naniwa is. To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws is to deny Naniwa his humanity, the source of what has pushed him so far. To ignore his skill and focus on his failings and unending drama he creates is to ignore the burning competitive spirit that defines Starcraft 2 competition which Naniwa exemplifies.

You can say many things about Naniwa. He is a Champion and a rager, he is a hero and a villain, an icon and a pariah. But what you cannot say is Naniwa is a fake. A hand crafted personality that is put on when he has to deal with the fans or the public. Naniwa is who he is. He never pretended to be otherwise whether it be fighting Life to the death at IEM NY, pulling the probes against Nestea, dancing his zealots in front of MC to only die to DTs, raging at Tefel as the worth player on earht, or forfeiting Katowice. Naniwa is Naniwa for better and for worse and I wouldn’t have it any other way.


Writers: stuchiu
Graphics: v1
Editor: lichter
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mYiKane
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Canada1772 Posts
January 18 2015 04:48 GMT
#2
Let's have one for Nerchio now
The_Templar
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your Country52797 Posts
January 18 2015 04:48 GMT
#3
On January 18 2015 13:48 mYiKane wrote:
Let's have one for Nerchio now

King Artur rises above the haters.
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 18 2015 04:49 GMT
#4
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
January 18 2015 04:49 GMT
#5
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 18 2015 04:52 GMT
#6
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


Let's hope. Just one week until Nerchio gives him a lesson in Swarm Host and we'll see how he handles that.
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Nedereden
Profile Joined June 2013
777 Posts
January 18 2015 04:53 GMT
#7
Goo Nani! Consecutive Ro8 finishes in GSL... damn son... I can't even believe it happened... He was stunningly good. Best foreigner for sure!
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hatp
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7 Posts
January 18 2015 04:57 GMT
#8
Naniwa is autistic

User was warned for this post
Jornada
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United States223 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 05:00:48
January 18 2015 05:00 GMT
#9
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.
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RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
January 18 2015 05:02 GMT
#10
NaNiwa is the villain this game needs. I think he's a massive tool but I am cheering for him to succeed because ultimately that will be good for the growth of the game.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
Roachu
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden692 Posts
January 18 2015 05:02 GMT
#11
Hail the return of the true king of the north. All y'all haters keep hatin'.
Don't be asshats
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 18 2015 05:03 GMT
#12
On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.

I think Kane has a better shot agianst qxc than nani does against nerchio tbh
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mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
January 18 2015 05:04 GMT
#13
On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.


I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 05:06:54
January 18 2015 05:06 GMT
#14
yay drama already on the first page

everything goes as planned, stuchiu

[image loading]
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Roachu
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden692 Posts
January 18 2015 05:06 GMT
#15
On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.


I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy

How about a top 8 in code S? Hmm?
Don't be asshats
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
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Last Edited: 2015-01-18 05:09:31
January 18 2015 05:09 GMT
#16
[image loading]

Naniwa proving this article right already
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 18 2015 05:10 GMT
#17
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

Naniwa proving this article right already

Such a low blow. Literally as low as you can get, cause it's a leg.
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Adept
Profile Joined December 2009
United States472 Posts
January 18 2015 05:10 GMT
#18
Well posts for this article are already getting interesting! *Grabs popcorn*
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Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
January 18 2015 05:11 GMT
#19
On January 18 2015 14:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

Naniwa proving this article right already

Such a low blow. Literally as low as you can get, cause it's a leg.


Could be a foot.
Writermaru pls
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
January 18 2015 05:12 GMT
#20
On January 18 2015 14:06 lichter wrote:
yay drama already on the first page

everything goes as planned, stuchiu

[image loading]

why didn't you put that as the fp img
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LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
January 18 2015 05:13 GMT
#21
regardless if you like or don't like NaNiwa the dude is a beast at the game.
JD, need I say more? :D
ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
January 18 2015 05:13 GMT
#22
On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.


I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy


+1 for Kane here. At the end it just a video game and how you treat people is what really matters.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 18 2015 05:13 GMT
#23
On January 18 2015 14:12 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:06 lichter wrote:
yay drama already on the first page

everything goes as planned, stuchiu

[image loading]

why didn't you put that as the fp img


R1CH zaps me with lightning from the heavens whenever the FP image is larger than 90kb
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 05:18:31
January 18 2015 05:15 GMT
#24
On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.


I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy


Well, you're being a bad person and a bad player, where does it leave you?

stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 18 2015 05:16 GMT
#25
On January 18 2015 14:06 lichter wrote:
yay drama already on the first page

everything goes as planned, stuchiu

[image loading]


Just as keikaku

[image loading]
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Legio
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden235 Posts
January 18 2015 05:20 GMT
#26
So why do all these pros come out of the woodwork to pick a fight with Naniwa? What does that tell us about them?
Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3099 Posts
January 18 2015 05:21 GMT
#27
I'm all for good behavior, but I honestly never thought Naniwa's antics were that bad...I'm glad he's back, mostly because he's a karking good Protoss player. Good for him.
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 05:24:02
January 18 2015 05:23 GMT
#28
On January 18 2015 14:20 Legio wrote:
So why do all these pros come out of the woodwork to pick a fight with Naniwa? What does that tell us about them?


They are jelly of Naniwa and his achievements. They never wanted him to come back, because it reminds people of what they could be as a foreigner.

And what they aren't.
danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
January 18 2015 05:24 GMT
#29
On January 18 2015 13:57 hatp wrote:
Naniwa is autistic

User was warned for this post


Hey dont hate the Nani-walk. At least hes doing starcraft, GO Nani!
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hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 05:25:43
January 18 2015 05:24 GMT
#30
Hahaha. What's even funny was that I actually wrote article about NaNiwa because I thought Zealously was a bit too negative with his depiction, and one guy on reddit accidentally titled my article as the trademarked "Road to BlizzCon". I treated NaNiwa more as a person who made a lot of sacrifices because of his determination to win (more like a misunderstood sociopath).

But even then, I actually wish he would stay retired because of numerous cases of being unprofessional...
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Lucrania
Profile Joined December 2012
United States44 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 05:30:52
January 18 2015 05:25 GMT
#31
On January 18 2015 14:13 ElMeanYo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.


I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy


+1 for Kane here. At the end it just a video game and how you treat people is what really matters.


Treating people nicely is far less important than succeeding at something, anything, even if it is "just a video game," because the people will forget you and the game will fade into obscurity, but the accomplishment will always remain.

Edit: Also I think it says something about Kane that he passive aggressively insults Naniwa without provocation in his own spotlight thread.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 18 2015 05:25 GMT
#32
On January 18 2015 14:20 Legio wrote:
So why do all these pros come out of the woodwork to pick a fight with Naniwa? What does that tell us about them?


Actually, Naniwa during his retirement came out of the woodwork to pick a fight with kane.

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aeligos
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United States172 Posts
January 18 2015 05:28 GMT
#33
The BM is stronk with this one...
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
January 18 2015 05:33 GMT
#34
Under an hour, two pages, a spillover onto Twitter, and a grudge between two players already in Challenger.

Damn if the dude doesn't get people's attention.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
January 18 2015 05:36 GMT
#35
as I forgot to mention due the drama, stuchiu as usual you're writing is amazing.
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peanuts
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States1225 Posts
January 18 2015 05:36 GMT
#36
Welp, I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy this one. Have fun kids. Daily reminder that not even Nani is as evil as Sniper though.

Nani, if you win WCS, I'm dying my hair blue again. Just saying.
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TheWarWaffle
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada115 Posts
January 18 2015 05:36 GMT
#37
NaNiwa (I love how he has undefined in his name) is more accurately a martyr and a pariah. Despite his actions proving that he cares for nobody other than himself, there will always be a few stubborn sycophants of his trying to elevate him beyond being a very good foreigner. He was a good player. He is a shitty person. What is more important now?
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Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
January 18 2015 05:37 GMT
#38
Great article!
Love naniwa and the fight in the comments already :D
Legio
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden235 Posts
January 18 2015 05:37 GMT
#39
On January 18 2015 14:25 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:20 Legio wrote:
So why do all these pros come out of the woodwork to pick a fight with Naniwa? What does that tell us about them?


Actually, Naniwa during his retirement came out of the woodwork to pick a fight with kane.

https://twitter.com/NaNiwaSC2/status/488768997836734465


And what about the other 6-7 pros mentioned in the article that want to pick a fight with Naniwa? What about Kane soliciting money on twitter to have Nerchio attack Naniwa in real life?
Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
January 18 2015 05:37 GMT
#40
On January 18 2015 14:13 ElMeanYo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.


I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy


+1 for Kane here. At the end it just a video game and how you treat people is what really matters.



No, sorry. At the end of the day being happy is what matters. I'd rather be an asshole with hundreds of thousands of dollars and the knowledge that I'm one of the best competitors in my area, than bee a poor, bitter nerd who feels the need to rage at people for their precieved lack of "professionalism" out of what I can only assume is jealousy.

Great article. I love what Naniwa does to the starcraft scene.
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Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1102 Posts
January 18 2015 05:38 GMT
#41
On January 18 2015 14:33 Circumstance wrote:
Under an hour, two pages, a spillover onto Twitter, and a grudge between two players already in Challenger.

Damn if the dude doesn't get people's attention.


Exactly! NaNi saving eSports. Rivalries galore! WE NEEDED THIS.
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
January 18 2015 05:39 GMT
#42
God I love Naniwa because of the emotion he brings out of other people. He says stuff that most people should (with any shred of maturity) just brush off and ignore. But it is his skill and his achievement in SC2 that make people even more pissed. And I fucking love it lol. Rivalry and player-to-player trashtalk is what makes things interesting, and Naniwa brings the dash of salt to a much needed stale professional community.

I fucking love this drama because, in the end, its completely meaningless.
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bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
January 18 2015 05:41 GMT
#43
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Profile Joined December 2012
United States44 Posts
January 18 2015 05:41 GMT
#44
Kane's salty that a player who doesn't pretend to care as much as him is so much more successful.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 05:44:25
January 18 2015 05:43 GMT
#45
On January 18 2015 14:37 Legio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:25 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:20 Legio wrote:
So why do all these pros come out of the woodwork to pick a fight with Naniwa? What does that tell us about them?


Actually, Naniwa during his retirement came out of the woodwork to pick a fight with kane.

https://twitter.com/NaNiwaSC2/status/488768997836734465


And what about the other 6-7 pros mentioned in the article that want to pick a fight with Naniwa? What about Kane soliciting money on twitter to have Nerchio attack Naniwa in real life?


Naniwa accused Happy of stream watching.
Naniwa called Dayshi Dayshit.
Kas and Marinelord wanted to teach him a lesson for insulting their friends. He called them ladder heroes with no achevements.
There was that entire Miniraiser on Nation Wars drama thing I dont even want to touch.
Nerchio is Nerchio.
Then he also insulted every SEA player who played in the SEA qualifier.

Don't know about Kane asking Nerchio to attack Naniwa, but knowing what I know about Nerchio, I'm almost certain that's a joke.

I'm pretty neutral about all this though. I'm neither for nor against Naniwa.
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2101 Posts
January 18 2015 05:46 GMT
#46
On January 18 2015 14:13 ElMeanYo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.


I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy


+1 for Kane here. At the end it just a video game and how you treat people is what really matters.

Let's be honest here. If you dedicate your childhood and young adult life to playing a video game competitively over a career that actually makes a serious difference in the world, you probably give more of a shit about winning than how you treat others. Though, it's not like you cannot be a nice person while playing a competitive game, either. Sheth was pretty nice.

When it comes to a competitive game, it's the competition that matters. I come to see impressive shit... Not to see Gandhi in gold-league.
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
January 18 2015 05:47 GMT
#47
Funny to hear Kane calling Naniwa a bad person ... if you remember seeing Kane BM everybody on NA ladder when he was coming up.
Legio
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden235 Posts
January 18 2015 05:48 GMT
#48
On January 18 2015 14:43 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:37 Legio wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:25 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:20 Legio wrote:
So why do all these pros come out of the woodwork to pick a fight with Naniwa? What does that tell us about them?


Actually, Naniwa during his retirement came out of the woodwork to pick a fight with kane.

https://twitter.com/NaNiwaSC2/status/488768997836734465


And what about the other 6-7 pros mentioned in the article that want to pick a fight with Naniwa? What about Kane soliciting money on twitter to have Nerchio attack Naniwa in real life?


Naniwa accused Happy of stream watching.
Naniwa called Dayshi Dayshit.
Kas and Marinelord wanted to teach him a lesson for insulting their friends. He called them ladder heroes with no achevements.
There was that entire Miniraiser on Nation Wars drama thing I dont even want to touch.
Nerchio is Nerchio.
Then he also insulted every SEA player who played in the SEA qualifier.

Don't know about Kane asking Nerchio to attack Naniwa, but knowing what I know about Nerchio, I'm almost certain that's a joke.

I'm pretty neutral about all this though. I'm neither for nor against Naniwa.


Dude, Kane has solicited $800 on Twitter so far for Nerchio to attack Naniwa in real life. If you call that a joke, then why is Naniwas "picking a fight" not jokes?
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 18 2015 05:48 GMT
#49
On January 18 2015 14:48 Legio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:43 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:37 Legio wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:25 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:20 Legio wrote:
So why do all these pros come out of the woodwork to pick a fight with Naniwa? What does that tell us about them?


Actually, Naniwa during his retirement came out of the woodwork to pick a fight with kane.

https://twitter.com/NaNiwaSC2/status/488768997836734465


And what about the other 6-7 pros mentioned in the article that want to pick a fight with Naniwa? What about Kane soliciting money on twitter to have Nerchio attack Naniwa in real life?


Naniwa accused Happy of stream watching.
Naniwa called Dayshi Dayshit.
Kas and Marinelord wanted to teach him a lesson for insulting their friends. He called them ladder heroes with no achevements.
There was that entire Miniraiser on Nation Wars drama thing I dont even want to touch.
Nerchio is Nerchio.
Then he also insulted every SEA player who played in the SEA qualifier.

Don't know about Kane asking Nerchio to attack Naniwa, but knowing what I know about Nerchio, I'm almost certain that's a joke.

I'm pretty neutral about all this though. I'm neither for nor against Naniwa.


Dude, Kane has solicited $800 on Twitter so far for Nerchio to attack Naniwa in real life. If you call that a joke, then why is Naniwas "picking a fight" not jokes?


lol orginizing a fight isn't "attacking"
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SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5414 Posts
January 18 2015 05:50 GMT
#50
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
January 18 2015 05:51 GMT
#51
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough

The more white dudes who can beat Koreans the beeter. Nani has been the best at doing that.
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Legio
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden235 Posts
January 18 2015 05:52 GMT
#52
On January 18 2015 14:48 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:48 Legio wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:43 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:37 Legio wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:25 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:20 Legio wrote:
So why do all these pros come out of the woodwork to pick a fight with Naniwa? What does that tell us about them?


Actually, Naniwa during his retirement came out of the woodwork to pick a fight with kane.

https://twitter.com/NaNiwaSC2/status/488768997836734465


And what about the other 6-7 pros mentioned in the article that want to pick a fight with Naniwa? What about Kane soliciting money on twitter to have Nerchio attack Naniwa in real life?


Naniwa accused Happy of stream watching.
Naniwa called Dayshi Dayshit.
Kas and Marinelord wanted to teach him a lesson for insulting their friends. He called them ladder heroes with no achevements.
There was that entire Miniraiser on Nation Wars drama thing I dont even want to touch.
Nerchio is Nerchio.
Then he also insulted every SEA player who played in the SEA qualifier.

Don't know about Kane asking Nerchio to attack Naniwa, but knowing what I know about Nerchio, I'm almost certain that's a joke.

I'm pretty neutral about all this though. I'm neither for nor against Naniwa.


Dude, Kane has solicited $800 on Twitter so far for Nerchio to attack Naniwa in real life. If you call that a joke, then why is Naniwas "picking a fight" not jokes?


lol orginizing a fight isn't "attacking"

SetGuitarsToKill ‏@SetGuitars2Kill 5h5 hours ago

@mYiKane Shit, I'd throw in some money too. Might wanna open up a kickstarter or something for that.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 18 2015 05:53 GMT
#53
On January 18 2015 14:52 Legio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:48 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:48 Legio wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:43 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:37 Legio wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:25 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:20 Legio wrote:
So why do all these pros come out of the woodwork to pick a fight with Naniwa? What does that tell us about them?


Actually, Naniwa during his retirement came out of the woodwork to pick a fight with kane.

https://twitter.com/NaNiwaSC2/status/488768997836734465


And what about the other 6-7 pros mentioned in the article that want to pick a fight with Naniwa? What about Kane soliciting money on twitter to have Nerchio attack Naniwa in real life?


Naniwa accused Happy of stream watching.
Naniwa called Dayshi Dayshit.
Kas and Marinelord wanted to teach him a lesson for insulting their friends. He called them ladder heroes with no achevements.
There was that entire Miniraiser on Nation Wars drama thing I dont even want to touch.
Nerchio is Nerchio.
Then he also insulted every SEA player who played in the SEA qualifier.

Don't know about Kane asking Nerchio to attack Naniwa, but knowing what I know about Nerchio, I'm almost certain that's a joke.

I'm pretty neutral about all this though. I'm neither for nor against Naniwa.


Dude, Kane has solicited $800 on Twitter so far for Nerchio to attack Naniwa in real life. If you call that a joke, then why is Naniwas "picking a fight" not jokes?


lol orginizing a fight isn't "attacking"

SetGuitarsToKill ‏@SetGuitars2Kill 5h5 hours ago

@mYiKane Shit, I'd throw in some money too. Might wanna open up a kickstarter or something for that.


I'd be a funny fight.
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imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
January 18 2015 05:55 GMT
#54
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I for one couldn't be happier that Naniwa is back. Can't wait to have someone with some emotion to cheer for who can actually win.
... In life very little goes right. "Right" meaning the way one expected and the way one wanted it. One has no right to want or expect anything.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
January 18 2015 05:56 GMT
#55
On January 18 2015 14:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:52 Legio wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:48 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:48 Legio wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:43 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:37 Legio wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:25 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:20 Legio wrote:
So why do all these pros come out of the woodwork to pick a fight with Naniwa? What does that tell us about them?


Actually, Naniwa during his retirement came out of the woodwork to pick a fight with kane.

https://twitter.com/NaNiwaSC2/status/488768997836734465


And what about the other 6-7 pros mentioned in the article that want to pick a fight with Naniwa? What about Kane soliciting money on twitter to have Nerchio attack Naniwa in real life?


Naniwa accused Happy of stream watching.
Naniwa called Dayshi Dayshit.
Kas and Marinelord wanted to teach him a lesson for insulting their friends. He called them ladder heroes with no achevements.
There was that entire Miniraiser on Nation Wars drama thing I dont even want to touch.
Nerchio is Nerchio.
Then he also insulted every SEA player who played in the SEA qualifier.

Don't know about Kane asking Nerchio to attack Naniwa, but knowing what I know about Nerchio, I'm almost certain that's a joke.

I'm pretty neutral about all this though. I'm neither for nor against Naniwa.


Dude, Kane has solicited $800 on Twitter so far for Nerchio to attack Naniwa in real life. If you call that a joke, then why is Naniwas "picking a fight" not jokes?


lol orginizing a fight isn't "attacking"

SetGuitarsToKill ‏@SetGuitars2Kill 5h5 hours ago

@mYiKane Shit, I'd throw in some money too. Might wanna open up a kickstarter or something for that.


I'd be a funny fight.


It would be hilarious, until we all realized that Nerchio is a string bean who would just snap.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
January 18 2015 05:57 GMT
#56
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.
blinken
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada368 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-03 06:17:27
January 18 2015 05:59 GMT
#57
asd
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 18 2015 06:01 GMT
#58
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

[image loading]
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pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
January 18 2015 06:05 GMT
#59
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 18 2015 06:06 GMT
#60
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

[image loading]


Don't bother dude. Naniwa is absolutely flawless and perfect in their eyes. Every single thing he's ever done is justifiable in some crazy way. And he never loses.
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Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
January 18 2015 06:08 GMT
#61
On January 18 2015 14:20 Legio wrote:
So why do all these pros come out of the woodwork to pick a fight with Naniwa? What does that tell us about them?

A lot, a lot a lot a lot.

I wish more people were aware of the image they present. It's like any big drama, if there's people acting a bit not quite 100% that's one thing. It's obvious that they're giving off some kind of image, and likely don't care. But the people coming out in opposition to it often look like the bigger idiots in my eyes.

There is very little Naniwa can do to damage his reputation in my eyes (interpret that how you will). But everyone else seems so eager to drag their own reputation through the mud when talking about Nani.

I just love it.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 18 2015 06:08 GMT
#62
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 18 2015 06:09 GMT
#63
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Snute too, Snute's probably above most of them even.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 18 2015 06:10 GMT
#64
Right, Snute is fucking great.
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pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
January 18 2015 06:11 GMT
#65
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
January 18 2015 06:12 GMT
#66
Thank you for coming back naniwa. TL news articles and LR threads just got alot more fun to browse!!!

If you win WCS make sure you thank the important people like the guy who put delay onto the stream, the power company for not having a blackout, your opponent for sucking. Things like that
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 18 2015 06:14 GMT
#67
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


I think at some point, a lot of Koreans have feared Snute. Some have probably feared Vortix Sen and Scarlett at points in at least some matchups too, though not the tip top ones obviously
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 18 2015 06:15 GMT
#68
On January 18 2015 15:10 stuchiu wrote:
Right, Snute is fucking great.


i thought you hated snute don't lie
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dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
January 18 2015 06:16 GMT
#69
On January 18 2015 14:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
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Naniwa proving this article right already

Such a low blow. Literally as low as you can get, cause it's a leg.


wow, i am going to hell........

lol'd so hard..
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 06:18:41
January 18 2015 06:17 GMT
#70
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


Sen, Taiwan Open. Only foreigner Premier Tournament Champ since the dawn of WCS.
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pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
January 18 2015 06:18 GMT
#71
On January 18 2015 15:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
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On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


I think at some point, a lot of Koreans have feared Snute. Some have probably feared Vortix Sen and Scarlett at points in at least some matchups too, though not the tip top ones obviously

There's a chasm between IdrA, Stephano, HuK, and Naniwa and the rest of the foreigners. Except for Stephano, they had good showings in the GSL. Stephano stands out for how he completely dominated the foreign scene, but he was towards retirement when he did a stint in Korea.

Or maybe we'd like to forget what happens to the rest. Anyone remember Leenock vs. Thorzain?
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 18 2015 06:18 GMT
#72
It'll be interesting to see how far he'll go in WCS. It'll be really frickin entertaining to see how many feuds he can start along the way.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 18 2015 06:19 GMT
#73
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
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On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all?
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 18 2015 06:20 GMT
#74
On January 18 2015 15:18 pigmanbear wrote:
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On January 18 2015 15:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


I think at some point, a lot of Koreans have feared Snute. Some have probably feared Vortix Sen and Scarlett at points in at least some matchups too, though not the tip top ones obviously

There's a chasm between IdrA, Stephano, HuK, and Naniwa and the rest of the foreigners. Except for Stephano, they had good showings in the GSL. Stephano stands out for how he completely dominated the foreign scene, but he was towards retirement when he did a stint in Korea.

Or maybe we'd like to forget what happens to the rest. Anyone remember Leenock vs. Thorzain?


Any player who's peak was 2010 or early 2011 had a much easier time being dominant than you could in today's game which has way more talent all around. Idra and Huk mainly, but those others to an extent had better timing than anything else.
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covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
January 18 2015 06:20 GMT
#75
I am so pumped Naniwa is BACKKKKKKKK
Legio
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden235 Posts
January 18 2015 06:20 GMT
#76
On January 18 2015 15:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
It'll be interesting to see how far he'll go in WCS. It'll be really frickin entertaining to see how many feuds he can start along the way.


He might not even get that far. Kane is running a Twitter campaign now to have him DQ'ed by Blizzard.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2101 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 06:26:10
January 18 2015 06:22 GMT
#77
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
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On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.

I dunno about Idra man. I mean, he's beat a few Koreans, but I wouldn't say he's ever been a top-tier player in SC2 (or in BW, but he was for some time the best foreigner in BW). I suppose MMA did fear him enough that he killed his own CC, though.

On January 18 2015 15:20 Legio wrote:
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On January 18 2015 15:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
It'll be interesting to see how far he'll go in WCS. It'll be really frickin entertaining to see how many feuds he can start along the way.


He might not even get that far. Kane is running a Twitter campaign now to have him DQ'ed by Blizzard.

If Blizzard/WCS has to have a bunch of rallying pros to be able to make a decision, then the decision shouldn't be made. Tournament organizers need to have some balls and stand by their decisions.
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
January 18 2015 06:22 GMT
#78
On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:
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On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all?

Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
January 18 2015 06:25 GMT
#79
Sorry to go off-topic from the drama, but can we talk just a bit about nanis sc2 form? Is he as good as before? Then we can continue with the personal insults and drama please.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5500 Posts
January 18 2015 06:26 GMT
#80
On January 18 2015 13:40 stuchiu wrote:
Naniwa is who he is.

On January 18 2015 13:40 stuchiu wrote:
Naniwa is Naniwa


Well this piece really takes a stand doesn't it?
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TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
January 18 2015 06:26 GMT
#81
I think people are just hungry for drama. Nothing Naniwa has ever done has struck me as over the top. Nani brings passion back into the scene. Whether you hate him or love him, you're going to watch his games.
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Jornada
Profile Joined February 2012
United States223 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 06:29:19
January 18 2015 06:28 GMT
#82
On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote:
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On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.


I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy


I'd rather be an irrelevant fanboy then have no success in SC2...

but i guess you have become accustomed to that position....

I'd rather also be an irrelevant fanboy then make lame videos of myself petting myself.

yea... im good with where im at

you on the other hand. Keep on qualifying for challenger. And if you want a piece of this Fanboy all you gotta do is msg

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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 06:33:14
January 18 2015 06:29 GMT
#83
On January 18 2015 15:20 Legio wrote:
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On January 18 2015 15:18 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
It'll be interesting to see how far he'll go in WCS. It'll be really frickin entertaining to see how many feuds he can start along the way.


He might not even get that far. Kane is running a Twitter campaign now to have him DQ'ed by Blizzard.


Won't happen. Worse Blizzard will do is fine him, I don't think even that. I guess since its Naniwa, he might ragequit SCII because of the fine, and claim its unfair and that Kane should be fined for his other Twitter comments, but I doubt it.

On January 18 2015 15:25 Cascade wrote:
Sorry to go off-topic from the drama, but can we talk just a bit about nanis sc2 form? Is he as good as before? Then we can continue with the personal insults and drama please.


We haven't seen much of his play, but he hasn't practised for a while so he's certainly not at his former level at the peak of his form. However, due to that his form may increase dramatically as we approach the WCS season, so there's really no way to know. Personally I don't think he'll make it far, but its really up in the air.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 18 2015 06:32 GMT
#84
On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote:
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On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all?

Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation.


Vortix was more consistent than idra was in a more competitive time period for a longer period of time. I respect his multiple top 8 finishes from the latter end of 2012 to the end of 2014 more than Idra's reputation as a great Zerg in the early 2010-2011 period and MLG runs.

And Thorzain's reputation was as good as Idra's during his prime. He was respected by Koreans for his methodical builds, compositions and ideas. Slayers greatly respected his play and MMA and him talked about strategy fairly often. His prime was from latter half 2011 to halfway 2012, but his strategic innovations on TvP play were extremely important and he was Naniwa's rival during that entire era for a reason with both going even in maps the entire way. Oh he also won Stockholm in 2012.

And "players who Koreans feared" is fairly intangible. And yes, Vortix and Thorzain did succeed to some extent against highest level competition.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 18 2015 06:33 GMT
#85
On January 18 2015 15:26 oBlade wrote:
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On January 18 2015 13:40 stuchiu wrote:
Naniwa is who he is.

Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 13:40 stuchiu wrote:
Naniwa is Naniwa


Well this piece really takes a stand doesn't it?


a tautological stand
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ColdSCII
Profile Joined June 2014
United States12 Posts
January 18 2015 06:34 GMT
#86
Naniwa is drama gold. Always good content when he is around.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2101 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 06:36:03
January 18 2015 06:34 GMT
#87
On January 18 2015 15:25 Cascade wrote:
Sorry to go off-topic from the drama, but can we talk just a bit about nanis sc2 form? Is he as good as before? Then we can continue with the personal insults and drama please.

Well, no one actually knows Naniwa's current state. From the looks of it, he only participated in the third qualifier for WCS EU, and he made it through in that one time. He beat Space Marine, Mana, Hanfy, and Happy -- mostly players who ended up qualifying eventually. He looked quite solid versus those players. Does he look as good as before? Well, depends on what stage of before you look at. Does he look like a top 8 GSL player? No, of course not. But he does look very solid, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him beat Nerchio.

For reference, Nerchio beat Tefel, lost to Dayshi, beat Complain, lost to Ptit Drogo, lost to some guy named Miszu, lost to fraer, beat ZhuGeLiang, beat Complain (again), and beat Space Marine. He qualified on his 5th qualifier versus Naniwa's 1st qualifier.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 18 2015 06:37 GMT
#88
On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote:
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On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all?

Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation.


Thorzain is easily up there with the best foreigners. Winning TSL3 and an offline premiere (DH) with Koreans in it is nothing to scoff at. He had his share of other good performances against Koreans as well, such as when he almost beat DRG in DH Valencia.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 18 2015 06:42 GMT
#89
I like how everyone neglected Sen in this argument, just like always.

Only foreigner to win a Premier Tournament in the WCS era, guys

can't argue against that
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 06:45:05
January 18 2015 06:44 GMT
#90
On January 18 2015 15:42 lichter wrote:
I like how everyone neglected Sen in this argument, just like always.

Only foreigner to win a Premier Tournament in the WCS era, guys

can't argue against that


oh fo sho

Top 5 foreigner of all time imo. The forgotten badass. Been one of the best outside of Korea since the beta days of WoL.
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 18 2015 06:46 GMT
#91
On January 18 2015 15:42 lichter wrote:
I like how everyone neglected Sen in this argument, just like always.

Only foreigner to win a Premier Tournament in the WCS era, guys

can't argue against that


Well, you kind of can when you look at his bracket
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IMLyte
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada714 Posts
January 18 2015 06:47 GMT
#92
Regardless of what Naniwa does, he definitely benefits the overall scene.
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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2716 Posts
January 18 2015 06:48 GMT
#93
I like Naniwa because he is kind to women.
very illegal and very uncool
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
January 18 2015 06:48 GMT
#94
On January 18 2015 15:32 stuchiu wrote:
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On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all?

Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation.


Vortix was more consistent than idra was in a more competitive time period for a longer period of time. I respect his multiple top 8 finishes from the latter end of 2012 to the end of 2014 more than Idra's reputation as a great Zerg in the early 2010-2011 period and MLG runs.

And Thorzain's reputation was as good as Idra's during his prime. He was respected by Koreans for his methodical builds, compositions and ideas. Slayers greatly respected his play and MMA and him talked about strategy fairly often. His prime was from latter half 2011 to halfway 2012, but his strategic innovations on TvP play were extremely important and he was Naniwa's rival during that entire era for a reason with both going even in maps the entire way. Oh he also won Stockholm in 2012.

And "players who Koreans feared" is fairly intangible. And yes, Vortix and Thorzain did succeed to some extent against highest level competition.

I didn't say "highest level competition." I said "at the highest level," which means IN KOREA... you seem to have amnesia about IdrA winning an IEM too. All I can gather from this is that you haven't been watching SC2 as long as I have, given how you discount pre-patch WoL performances, or how you forget just how IdrA and HuK stood above the rest back then. Micro has gotten a bit better and the maps have become more balanced, but the game hasn't changed that much. The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance.
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
January 18 2015 06:51 GMT
#95
On January 18 2015 15:42 lichter wrote:
I like how everyone neglected Sen in this argument, just like always.

Only foreigner to win a Premier Tournament in the WCS era, guys

can't argue against that

Homefield advantage + underwhelming competition + few terrans when terrans dominated = unimpressive. I'm happy for Sen, but a lone tournament victory does not measure up to what the other guys I mentioned did. No clue why Taiwan Open was given Premier status even. Sen belongs in the next tier of foreigners with Scarlett, Snute, and Thorzain.
Legio
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden235 Posts
January 18 2015 06:53 GMT
#96
On January 18 2015 15:25 Cascade wrote:
Sorry to go off-topic from the drama, but can we talk just a bit about nanis sc2 form? Is he as good as before? Then we can continue with the personal insults and drama please.


I think he looked kind of rough around the edges. Definitely not in shape to start killing Koreans, I felt like he was simply waiting out Happy, and hoping his control would win him a decisive engagement. But even when Naniwa did win engagements, he didn't pounce on them for the kill like you see Koreans doing.

In terms of macro and micro, he was top shelf foreigner level for sure. He is not going to make mistakes or get stressed out, but he was vulnerable against Happy in game one. His main was getting dropped over and over.

He seems to be content to play with an economy deficit for some reason. I'm not sure if that is confidence, or simply his style of protoss.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2101 Posts
January 18 2015 06:55 GMT
#97
On January 18 2015 15:48 argonautdice wrote:
I like Naniwa because he is kind to women.

Yeah, Kas can't say that.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
January 18 2015 06:55 GMT
#98
On January 18 2015 15:48 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 15:32 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all?

Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation.


Vortix was more consistent than idra was in a more competitive time period for a longer period of time. I respect his multiple top 8 finishes from the latter end of 2012 to the end of 2014 more than Idra's reputation as a great Zerg in the early 2010-2011 period and MLG runs.

And Thorzain's reputation was as good as Idra's during his prime. He was respected by Koreans for his methodical builds, compositions and ideas. Slayers greatly respected his play and MMA and him talked about strategy fairly often. His prime was from latter half 2011 to halfway 2012, but his strategic innovations on TvP play were extremely important and he was Naniwa's rival during that entire era for a reason with both going even in maps the entire way. Oh he also won Stockholm in 2012.

And "players who Koreans feared" is fairly intangible. And yes, Vortix and Thorzain did succeed to some extent against highest level competition.

I didn't say "highest level competition." I said "at the highest level," which means IN KOREA... you seem to have amnesia about IdrA winning an IEM too. All I can gather from this is that you haven't been watching SC2 as long as I have, given how you discount pre-patch WoL performances, or how you forget just how IdrA and HuK stood above the rest back then. Micro has gotten a bit better and the maps have become more balanced, but the game hasn't changed that much. The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance.

pre-patch WoL? The game where InControl was a top 4 MLG player and no Korean actually played?
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 18 2015 07:00 GMT
#99
On January 18 2015 15:48 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 15:32 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all?

Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation.


Vortix was more consistent than idra was in a more competitive time period for a longer period of time. I respect his multiple top 8 finishes from the latter end of 2012 to the end of 2014 more than Idra's reputation as a great Zerg in the early 2010-2011 period and MLG runs.

And Thorzain's reputation was as good as Idra's during his prime. He was respected by Koreans for his methodical builds, compositions and ideas. Slayers greatly respected his play and MMA and him talked about strategy fairly often. His prime was from latter half 2011 to halfway 2012, but his strategic innovations on TvP play were extremely important and he was Naniwa's rival during that entire era for a reason with both going even in maps the entire way. Oh he also won Stockholm in 2012.

And "players who Koreans feared" is fairly intangible. And yes, Vortix and Thorzain did succeed to some extent against highest level competition.

I didn't say "highest level competition." I said "at the highest level," which means IN KOREA... you seem to have amnesia about IdrA winning an IEM too. All I can gather from this is that you haven't been watching SC2 as long as I have, given how you discount pre-patch WoL performances, or how you forget just how IdrA and HuK stood above the rest back then. Micro has gotten a bit better and the maps have become more balanced, but the game hasn't changed that much. The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance.


You're making multiple fallacious arguments. And even more ad hominem attacks as time goes on. At this point, no argument I make no matter how cogent or factual will convince you otherwise. May as well stop here.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 18 2015 07:01 GMT
#100
wow cogent? are you cosmicspiral
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pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
January 18 2015 07:02 GMT
#101
On January 18 2015 15:55 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 15:48 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:32 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
[quote]
It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all?

Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation.


Vortix was more consistent than idra was in a more competitive time period for a longer period of time. I respect his multiple top 8 finishes from the latter end of 2012 to the end of 2014 more than Idra's reputation as a great Zerg in the early 2010-2011 period and MLG runs.

And Thorzain's reputation was as good as Idra's during his prime. He was respected by Koreans for his methodical builds, compositions and ideas. Slayers greatly respected his play and MMA and him talked about strategy fairly often. His prime was from latter half 2011 to halfway 2012, but his strategic innovations on TvP play were extremely important and he was Naniwa's rival during that entire era for a reason with both going even in maps the entire way. Oh he also won Stockholm in 2012.

And "players who Koreans feared" is fairly intangible. And yes, Vortix and Thorzain did succeed to some extent against highest level competition.

I didn't say "highest level competition." I said "at the highest level," which means IN KOREA... you seem to have amnesia about IdrA winning an IEM too. All I can gather from this is that you haven't been watching SC2 as long as I have, given how you discount pre-patch WoL performances, or how you forget just how IdrA and HuK stood above the rest back then. Micro has gotten a bit better and the maps have become more balanced, but the game hasn't changed that much. The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance.

pre-patch WoL? The game where InControl was a top 4 MLG player and no Korean actually played?

Yea, when IdrA was the most consistent foreigner in Korea, living there and doing well in Code S. But cherry-pick and believe whatever you want, I'm done trying to teach history to a bunch of people who probably didn't watch Foxer.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 18 2015 07:03 GMT
#102
On January 18 2015 16:02 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 15:55 Sub40APM wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:48 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:32 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
[quote]

Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all?

Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation.


Vortix was more consistent than idra was in a more competitive time period for a longer period of time. I respect his multiple top 8 finishes from the latter end of 2012 to the end of 2014 more than Idra's reputation as a great Zerg in the early 2010-2011 period and MLG runs.

And Thorzain's reputation was as good as Idra's during his prime. He was respected by Koreans for his methodical builds, compositions and ideas. Slayers greatly respected his play and MMA and him talked about strategy fairly often. His prime was from latter half 2011 to halfway 2012, but his strategic innovations on TvP play were extremely important and he was Naniwa's rival during that entire era for a reason with both going even in maps the entire way. Oh he also won Stockholm in 2012.

And "players who Koreans feared" is fairly intangible. And yes, Vortix and Thorzain did succeed to some extent against highest level competition.

I didn't say "highest level competition." I said "at the highest level," which means IN KOREA... you seem to have amnesia about IdrA winning an IEM too. All I can gather from this is that you haven't been watching SC2 as long as I have, given how you discount pre-patch WoL performances, or how you forget just how IdrA and HuK stood above the rest back then. Micro has gotten a bit better and the maps have become more balanced, but the game hasn't changed that much. The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance.

pre-patch WoL? The game where InControl was a top 4 MLG player and no Korean actually played?

Yea, when IdrA was the most consistent foreigner in Korea, living there and doing well in Code S. But cherry-pick and believe whatever you want, I'm done trying to teach history to a bunch of people who probably didn't watch Foxer.


Oh shit name dropping obscure players like Foxer, this guy is serious.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 18 2015 07:03 GMT
#103
On January 18 2015 16:01 lichter wrote:
wow cogent? are you cosmicspiral


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Garemie
Profile Joined April 2011
United States248 Posts
January 18 2015 07:04 GMT
#104
im just glad to see him return.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 18 2015 07:04 GMT
#105
On January 18 2015 16:03 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 16:01 lichter wrote:
wow cogent? are you cosmicspiral


I am also
Bill Simmons
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David Jacoby
Bill Barnwell
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Nah. They're you, but you're not them.
orllyfools
Profile Joined May 2012
United States153 Posts
January 18 2015 07:08 GMT
#106
On January 18 2015 14:25 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:20 Legio wrote:
So why do all these pros come out of the woodwork to pick a fight with Naniwa? What does that tell us about them?


Actually, Naniwa during his retirement came out of the woodwork to pick a fight with kane.

https://twitter.com/NaNiwaSC2/status/488768997836734465



Kane can move anywhere in the world and still not have any results. bad player+bad person. Ladder doesn't really mean much.
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Cheeseling
Profile Joined March 2012
Ukraine132 Posts
January 18 2015 07:10 GMT
#107
I would prefer Idrah but NaNiwa is ok
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 18 2015 07:14 GMT
#108
On January 18 2015 16:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 16:02 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:55 Sub40APM wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:48 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:32 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
[quote]
"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all?

Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation.


Vortix was more consistent than idra was in a more competitive time period for a longer period of time. I respect his multiple top 8 finishes from the latter end of 2012 to the end of 2014 more than Idra's reputation as a great Zerg in the early 2010-2011 period and MLG runs.

And Thorzain's reputation was as good as Idra's during his prime. He was respected by Koreans for his methodical builds, compositions and ideas. Slayers greatly respected his play and MMA and him talked about strategy fairly often. His prime was from latter half 2011 to halfway 2012, but his strategic innovations on TvP play were extremely important and he was Naniwa's rival during that entire era for a reason with both going even in maps the entire way. Oh he also won Stockholm in 2012.

And "players who Koreans feared" is fairly intangible. And yes, Vortix and Thorzain did succeed to some extent against highest level competition.

I didn't say "highest level competition." I said "at the highest level," which means IN KOREA... you seem to have amnesia about IdrA winning an IEM too. All I can gather from this is that you haven't been watching SC2 as long as I have, given how you discount pre-patch WoL performances, or how you forget just how IdrA and HuK stood above the rest back then. Micro has gotten a bit better and the maps have become more balanced, but the game hasn't changed that much. The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance.

pre-patch WoL? The game where InControl was a top 4 MLG player and no Korean actually played?

Yea, when IdrA was the most consistent foreigner in Korea, living there and doing well in Code S. But cherry-pick and believe whatever you want, I'm done trying to teach history to a bunch of people who probably didn't watch Foxer.


Oh shit name dropping obscure players like Foxer, this guy is serious.


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Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
January 18 2015 07:14 GMT
#109
To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws is to deny Naniwa his humanity,


10000000000000000000000000000% On point! Best article on TL for the entire duration of SC2 so far. Only other article that is compatible to the level of epic-ness that is this article, would be Naniwa's "temporary retirement" article.

"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
Spect8rCraft
Profile Joined December 2012
649 Posts
January 18 2015 07:15 GMT
#110
On January 18 2015 16:10 Cheeseling wrote:
I would prefer Idrah but NaNiwa is ok


I want to make an Idra vs. Naniwa joke, but I would not survive the ensuing hellfire.
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
January 18 2015 07:23 GMT
#111
On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.


I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy


Kane sounds pretty salty right now :\ must be stressing over the fact that he has to play qualifiers over and over again... btw Kane the fact that you're insulting people for liking a personality other than you, kind of contradicts yourself proclaimed title of a "good person" or to "be[come] a good person".
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6328 Posts
January 18 2015 07:25 GMT
#112
Typical Naniwa thread, love it.
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Cool C
Profile Joined November 2011
United States69 Posts
January 18 2015 07:27 GMT
#113
I like Naniwa and I'm super excited to see some more games of his this season. Hope you do well in WCS this year Nani!
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Darkened
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Bulgaria105 Posts
January 18 2015 07:31 GMT
#114
Good article. Typo in second to last row - "earht".
YurnerotheJuggernaut
Profile Joined November 2014
Faroe Islands65 Posts
January 18 2015 07:31 GMT
#115
I for one certainly appriciate the fact that Naniwa speaks his mind; I am much too simple a man for conceit, intrigues and public relations-approved communication.
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Covariance
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada59 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 07:34:48
January 18 2015 07:34 GMT
#116
Earlier in this thread, Kane had this to say:

I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy


in other words, Kane thinks everyone who ISN'T making money from the scene, "irrelevant fanboys." Seriously, fuck this guy. Your motherfucking pay cheque is based at some point on our attention and willingness to donate to you.
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JDI1
Profile Joined December 2010
United States69 Posts
January 18 2015 07:34 GMT
#117
On January 18 2015 16:31 Darkened wrote:
Good article. Typo in second to last row - "earht".


Not a typo, check page 3 for the tefel screenshot.
LingBlingBling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States353 Posts
January 18 2015 07:34 GMT
#118
How come Kane is salty? He use to harass everyone on the NA ladder back when he was just an average GM. I use to watch IdrA/huk/incontrol stream back in the day, and Kane would annoy/snipe/bm all day lol.

I'm glad Naniwa is coming back, despite his attitude, he is a good player with many achievements in his career.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 18 2015 07:34 GMT
#119
On January 18 2015 16:31 Darkened wrote:
Good article. Typo in second to last row - "earht".


tefel disagrees
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hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
January 18 2015 07:37 GMT
#120


Who's not having fun with the NaNiwa controversy?
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 07:40:17
January 18 2015 07:39 GMT
#121
On January 18 2015 16:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 16:02 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:55 Sub40APM wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:48 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:32 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
[quote]
"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all?

Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation.


Vortix was more consistent than idra was in a more competitive time period for a longer period of time. I respect his multiple top 8 finishes from the latter end of 2012 to the end of 2014 more than Idra's reputation as a great Zerg in the early 2010-2011 period and MLG runs.

And Thorzain's reputation was as good as Idra's during his prime. He was respected by Koreans for his methodical builds, compositions and ideas. Slayers greatly respected his play and MMA and him talked about strategy fairly often. His prime was from latter half 2011 to halfway 2012, but his strategic innovations on TvP play were extremely important and he was Naniwa's rival during that entire era for a reason with both going even in maps the entire way. Oh he also won Stockholm in 2012.

And "players who Koreans feared" is fairly intangible. And yes, Vortix and Thorzain did succeed to some extent against highest level competition.

I didn't say "highest level competition." I said "at the highest level," which means IN KOREA... you seem to have amnesia about IdrA winning an IEM too. All I can gather from this is that you haven't been watching SC2 as long as I have, given how you discount pre-patch WoL performances, or how you forget just how IdrA and HuK stood above the rest back then. Micro has gotten a bit better and the maps have become more balanced, but the game hasn't changed that much. The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance.

pre-patch WoL? The game where InControl was a top 4 MLG player and no Korean actually played?

Yea, when IdrA was the most consistent foreigner in Korea, living there and doing well in Code S. But cherry-pick and believe whatever you want, I'm done trying to teach history to a bunch of people who probably didn't watch Foxer.


Oh shit name dropping obscure players like Foxer, this guy is serious.


Can't tell if that was sarcasm or you're just a dim-witted Zerg player like most of them out there. If you don't remember, Foxer stands for Fake-Boxer, a.k.a. MVP.MarineKing. I guess he has "fallen off" a bit since WoL days, so maybe you calling him an "obscure player" kinda fit. But, like I said, unless you're "sarcastic" on the "name dropping"-comment, you have just proved me right.

P.S. at this point saying you're sarcastic just makes you look like dim-witted liar, sorry you can't win. You play Zerg :\
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 07:41:51
January 18 2015 07:41 GMT
#122
pigmanbear confirmed the SC2 specialist because he knows what MK's original handle in SC2 was

edit: LOL that post above me
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7103 Posts
January 18 2015 07:43 GMT
#123
On January 18 2015 16:39 Advantageous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 16:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:02 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:55 Sub40APM wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:48 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:32 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
[quote]

Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all?

Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation.


Vortix was more consistent than idra was in a more competitive time period for a longer period of time. I respect his multiple top 8 finishes from the latter end of 2012 to the end of 2014 more than Idra's reputation as a great Zerg in the early 2010-2011 period and MLG runs.

And Thorzain's reputation was as good as Idra's during his prime. He was respected by Koreans for his methodical builds, compositions and ideas. Slayers greatly respected his play and MMA and him talked about strategy fairly often. His prime was from latter half 2011 to halfway 2012, but his strategic innovations on TvP play were extremely important and he was Naniwa's rival during that entire era for a reason with both going even in maps the entire way. Oh he also won Stockholm in 2012.

And "players who Koreans feared" is fairly intangible. And yes, Vortix and Thorzain did succeed to some extent against highest level competition.

I didn't say "highest level competition." I said "at the highest level," which means IN KOREA... you seem to have amnesia about IdrA winning an IEM too. All I can gather from this is that you haven't been watching SC2 as long as I have, given how you discount pre-patch WoL performances, or how you forget just how IdrA and HuK stood above the rest back then. Micro has gotten a bit better and the maps have become more balanced, but the game hasn't changed that much. The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance.

pre-patch WoL? The game where InControl was a top 4 MLG player and no Korean actually played?

Yea, when IdrA was the most consistent foreigner in Korea, living there and doing well in Code S. But cherry-pick and believe whatever you want, I'm done trying to teach history to a bunch of people who probably didn't watch Foxer.


Oh shit name dropping obscure players like Foxer, this guy is serious.


Can't tell if that was sarcasm or you're just a dim-witted Zerg player like most of them out there. If you don't remember, Foxer stands for Fake-Boxer, a.k.a. MVP.MarineKing. I guess he has "fallen off" a bit since WoL days, so maybe you calling him an "obscure player" kinda fit. But, like I said, unless you're "sarcastic" on the "name dropping"-comment, you have just proved me right.

P.S. at this point saying you're sarcastic just makes you look like dim-witted liar, sorry you can't win. You play Zerg :\

¨Talking about pre-patch wol is kinda stupid tho. Even BitByBit got top 4 (?) in gsl at the time.
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RevTiberius
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada353 Posts
January 18 2015 07:44 GMT
#124
I'll probably get a ban for this (which I gladly accept), but after working in the corporate sector for about 10 years, my opinion about Naniwa is this:

He's a passive-aggressive piece of shit, and in ANY other "professional" environment, he'd been fired many times over a LONG time ago... Employers DO NOT tolerate unprofessional behavior, and rightly so!

Naniwa is a stupid kid who has much to learn, not just about SC2

User was temp banned for this post.
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fronkschnonk
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany622 Posts
January 18 2015 07:45 GMT
#125
On January 18 2015 16:34 lichter wrote:
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On January 18 2015 16:31 Darkened wrote:
Good article. Typo in second to last row - "earht".


tefel disagrees

Still can't see, why it should be called the "worth" player
Furthermore, I consider that some kind of Code A must be reestablished.
peanuts
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States1225 Posts
January 18 2015 07:50 GMT
#126
On January 18 2015 16:03 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 16:01 lichter wrote:
wow cogent? are you cosmicspiral


I am also
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PepsiMaxxxx
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden5452 Posts
January 18 2015 07:52 GMT
#127
On January 18 2015 14:25 stuchiu wrote:
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On January 18 2015 14:20 Legio wrote:
So why do all these pros come out of the woodwork to pick a fight with Naniwa? What does that tell us about them?


Actually, Naniwa during his retirement came out of the woodwork to pick a fight with kane.

https://twitter.com/NaNiwaSC2/status/488768997836734465


Maybe it only took him 2 weeks to get back in the top of foreign SC2, but his Twitter skills needed regular practice.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 18 2015 07:52 GMT
#128
Is this really an article that is only about Naniwa? Is the SC2 scene weird to the point where a player can have the most unprofessional possible behavior and still have an article only about him?
As Kane said, how about making an article about Nerchio or about all the respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers out there (instead of calling them some random "qualifier hero")?
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 18 2015 07:55 GMT
#129
hehe drama. Regardless whether someone is a Nani fan or a hater, still gotta admit that he gets the views. The first SCII article that I've read in ages and I agree with the overall point of it.

On January 18 2015 16:45 fronkschnonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 16:34 lichter wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:31 Darkened wrote:
Good article. Typo in second to last row - "earht".


tefel disagrees

Still can't see, why it should be called the "worth" player

check who edited the article
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munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
January 18 2015 07:57 GMT
#130
Nerchio

respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers


lol
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 18 2015 07:57 GMT
#131
On January 18 2015 16:41 Ej_ wrote:
pigmanbear confirmed the SC2 specialist because he knows what MK's original handle in SC2 was

edit: LOL that post above me


MarineKing's original handle was Boxer, Foxer is just a nickname; don't think he ever actually used it.

Not that this is in the slightest relevant to anything at all.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 18 2015 07:59 GMT
#132
On January 18 2015 16:57 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
Nerchio

Show nested quote +
respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers


lol

You missed the "or" part. Though Nerchio never accused ESL's PCs or soundproofing for his losses afaik.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 18 2015 08:01 GMT
#133
On January 18 2015 16:52 OtherWorld wrote:
Is this really an article that is only about Naniwa? Is the SC2 scene weird to the point where a player can have the most unprofessional possible behavior and still have an article only about him?
As Kane said, how about making an article about Nerchio or about all the respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers out there (instead of calling them some random "qualifier hero")?


Players being extremely unprofessional and getting articles about only them as a result is extremely common in sports; I don't know what you're talking about. Plus writing articles about random pros isn't as interesting.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
January 18 2015 08:01 GMT
#134
On January 18 2015 16:44 RevTiberius wrote:
I'll probably get a ban for this (which I gladly accept), but after working in the corporate sector for about 10 years, my opinion about Naniwa is this:

He's a passive-aggressive piece of shit, and in ANY other "professional" environment, he'd been fired many times over a LONG time ago... Employers DO NOT tolerate unprofessional behavior, and rightly so!

Naniwa is a stupid kid who has much to learn, not just about SC2

User was temp banned for this post.

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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 18 2015 08:02 GMT
#135
On January 18 2015 16:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 16:41 Ej_ wrote:
pigmanbear confirmed the SC2 specialist because he knows what MK's original handle in SC2 was

edit: LOL that post above me


MarineKing's original handle was Boxer, Foxer is just a nickname; don't think he ever actually used it.

Not that this is in the slightest relevant to anything at all.

this. Boxer used to have the manofpower or somethng handle back when rumours came out that he was trying the game then once he started playing it, the fans changed MKP's handle from boxer to foxer (fake boxer) into MKP eventually (info for those who weren't present at the time ^^).
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
January 18 2015 08:09 GMT
#136
manofoneway
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
January 18 2015 08:09 GMT
#137
On January 18 2015 16:39 Advantageous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 16:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:02 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:55 Sub40APM wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:48 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:32 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
[quote]

Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all?

Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation.


Vortix was more consistent than idra was in a more competitive time period for a longer period of time. I respect his multiple top 8 finishes from the latter end of 2012 to the end of 2014 more than Idra's reputation as a great Zerg in the early 2010-2011 period and MLG runs.

And Thorzain's reputation was as good as Idra's during his prime. He was respected by Koreans for his methodical builds, compositions and ideas. Slayers greatly respected his play and MMA and him talked about strategy fairly often. His prime was from latter half 2011 to halfway 2012, but his strategic innovations on TvP play were extremely important and he was Naniwa's rival during that entire era for a reason with both going even in maps the entire way. Oh he also won Stockholm in 2012.

And "players who Koreans feared" is fairly intangible. And yes, Vortix and Thorzain did succeed to some extent against highest level competition.

I didn't say "highest level competition." I said "at the highest level," which means IN KOREA... you seem to have amnesia about IdrA winning an IEM too. All I can gather from this is that you haven't been watching SC2 as long as I have, given how you discount pre-patch WoL performances, or how you forget just how IdrA and HuK stood above the rest back then. Micro has gotten a bit better and the maps have become more balanced, but the game hasn't changed that much. The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance.

pre-patch WoL? The game where InControl was a top 4 MLG player and no Korean actually played?

Yea, when IdrA was the most consistent foreigner in Korea, living there and doing well in Code S. But cherry-pick and believe whatever you want, I'm done trying to teach history to a bunch of people who probably didn't watch Foxer.


Oh shit name dropping obscure players like Foxer, this guy is serious.


Can't tell if that was sarcasm or you're just a dim-witted Zerg player like most of them out there. If you don't remember, Foxer stands for Fake-Boxer, a.k.a. MVP.MarineKing. I guess he has "fallen off" a bit since WoL days, so maybe you calling him an "obscure player" kinda fit. But, like I said, unless you're "sarcastic" on the "name dropping"-comment, you have just proved me right.

P.S. at this point saying you're sarcastic just makes you look like dim-witted liar, sorry you can't win. You play Zerg :\


Can't tell if serious or troll.. Need swag bro in here to fill me in.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 18 2015 08:10 GMT
#138
On January 18 2015 17:02 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 16:57 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:41 Ej_ wrote:
pigmanbear confirmed the SC2 specialist because he knows what MK's original handle in SC2 was

edit: LOL that post above me


MarineKing's original handle was Boxer, Foxer is just a nickname; don't think he ever actually used it.

Not that this is in the slightest relevant to anything at all.

this. Boxer used to have the manofpower or somethng handle back when rumours came out that he was trying the game then once he started playing it, the fans changed MKP's handle from boxer to foxer (fake boxer) into MKP eventually (info for those who weren't present at the time ^^).


Boxer's handle for a short while was ManofOneway
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LingBlingBling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States353 Posts
January 18 2015 08:13 GMT
#139
I still don't get why folks in this community get upset when players trash talk or "missbehave" as this community puts it. It's like none of you ever watched sports or been apart of the entertainment industry. It's like common among professional athletes to have drama, trash talk, stir the pot to make things interesting.

It's so silly reading peoples comments on how everyone should behave like they are bankers or in the office handling clients all day. You guys are silly.

At the end of the day Esports is apart of the entertainment industry, are you not entertained?
Remember our motto: We ain't got it.
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Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
January 18 2015 08:14 GMT
#140
On January 18 2015 16:39 Advantageous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 16:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:02 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:55 Sub40APM wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:48 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:32 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
[quote]

Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all?

Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation.


Vortix was more consistent than idra was in a more competitive time period for a longer period of time. I respect his multiple top 8 finishes from the latter end of 2012 to the end of 2014 more than Idra's reputation as a great Zerg in the early 2010-2011 period and MLG runs.

And Thorzain's reputation was as good as Idra's during his prime. He was respected by Koreans for his methodical builds, compositions and ideas. Slayers greatly respected his play and MMA and him talked about strategy fairly often. His prime was from latter half 2011 to halfway 2012, but his strategic innovations on TvP play were extremely important and he was Naniwa's rival during that entire era for a reason with both going even in maps the entire way. Oh he also won Stockholm in 2012.

And "players who Koreans feared" is fairly intangible. And yes, Vortix and Thorzain did succeed to some extent against highest level competition.

I didn't say "highest level competition." I said "at the highest level," which means IN KOREA... you seem to have amnesia about IdrA winning an IEM too. All I can gather from this is that you haven't been watching SC2 as long as I have, given how you discount pre-patch WoL performances, or how you forget just how IdrA and HuK stood above the rest back then. Micro has gotten a bit better and the maps have become more balanced, but the game hasn't changed that much. The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance.

pre-patch WoL? The game where InControl was a top 4 MLG player and no Korean actually played?

Yea, when IdrA was the most consistent foreigner in Korea, living there and doing well in Code S. But cherry-pick and believe whatever you want, I'm done trying to teach history to a bunch of people who probably didn't watch Foxer.


Oh shit name dropping obscure players like Foxer, this guy is serious.


Can't tell if that was sarcasm or you're just a dim-witted Zerg player like most of them out there. If you don't remember, Foxer stands for Fake-Boxer, a.k.a. MVP.MarineKing. I guess he has "fallen off" a bit since WoL days, so maybe you calling him an "obscure player" kinda fit. But, like I said, unless you're "sarcastic" on the "name dropping"-comment, you have just proved me right.

P.S. at this point saying you're sarcastic just makes you look like dim-witted liar, sorry you can't win. You play Zerg :\

Thx for the comic relief bro. Even after your seemingly hateful and angry edit, I feel you. I know deeeeeeeep down that you knew that the guy stuchis was talking to was acting like a bitter fool and thus posted your first post as a comic distraction from the hate, and then followed up with your "hateful" edit to continue the joke by any means necessary.

Don't worry, I never thought you sucked at getting sarcasm and made a fool of yourself twice over in one post. Props to you man.


Continuing on, pretty sad day seeing this nani kid back in SC2. It does point out how many sc2 fans are bad people inside though! Although this was known beforehand anyways...
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 18 2015 08:15 GMT
#141
On January 18 2015 17:09 opterown wrote:
manofoneway


What an incredibly appropriate id for boxer.
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HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
January 18 2015 08:17 GMT
#142
On January 18 2015 16:39 Advantageous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 16:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:02 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:55 Sub40APM wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:48 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:32 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:22 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:19 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:11 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
[quote]

Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

Right, I left HuK out, but he's borderline. Had Jinro competed longer in Korea he might belong. The rest aren't close. When I talk about Naniwa, IdrA, Stephano, and (possibly) HuK, I'm talking about foreigners who have succeeded to some extent at the highest level against good completition. Players who Koreans feared. We'll see if Naniwa can bring it back to that now.

For somebody who writes so much about SC2, you have a distorted view of the game's history.


I don't think I have a distorted view of SC2 at all?

Evidently you do, if you think that Vortix or Thorzain remotely belong in this conversation.


Vortix was more consistent than idra was in a more competitive time period for a longer period of time. I respect his multiple top 8 finishes from the latter end of 2012 to the end of 2014 more than Idra's reputation as a great Zerg in the early 2010-2011 period and MLG runs.

And Thorzain's reputation was as good as Idra's during his prime. He was respected by Koreans for his methodical builds, compositions and ideas. Slayers greatly respected his play and MMA and him talked about strategy fairly often. His prime was from latter half 2011 to halfway 2012, but his strategic innovations on TvP play were extremely important and he was Naniwa's rival during that entire era for a reason with both going even in maps the entire way. Oh he also won Stockholm in 2012.

And "players who Koreans feared" is fairly intangible. And yes, Vortix and Thorzain did succeed to some extent against highest level competition.

I didn't say "highest level competition." I said "at the highest level," which means IN KOREA... you seem to have amnesia about IdrA winning an IEM too. All I can gather from this is that you haven't been watching SC2 as long as I have, given how you discount pre-patch WoL performances, or how you forget just how IdrA and HuK stood above the rest back then. Micro has gotten a bit better and the maps have become more balanced, but the game hasn't changed that much. The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance.

pre-patch WoL? The game where InControl was a top 4 MLG player and no Korean actually played?

Yea, when IdrA was the most consistent foreigner in Korea, living there and doing well in Code S. But cherry-pick and believe whatever you want, I'm done trying to teach history to a bunch of people who probably didn't watch Foxer.


Oh shit name dropping obscure players like Foxer, this guy is serious.


Can't tell if that was sarcasm or you're just a dim-witted Zerg player like most of them out there. If you don't remember, Foxer stands for Fake-Boxer, a.k.a. MVP.MarineKing. I guess he has "fallen off" a bit since WoL days, so maybe you calling him an "obscure player" kinda fit. But, like I said, unless you're "sarcastic" on the "name dropping"-comment, you have just proved me right.

P.S. at this point saying you're sarcastic just makes you look like dim-witted liar, sorry you can't win. You play Zerg :\
So you are saying zerg is weak and zerg players only win because of skill?
P.S. What was the point that he proved right in the first place :D
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
January 18 2015 08:36 GMT
#143
Haha, great article NaNi does bring life into things though^^
Also his theme song should be Without me - Eminem :D
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Nimrod.519
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada19 Posts
January 18 2015 08:38 GMT
#144
I don't think I realized how much I missed naniwa until he came back. Sc2 seems so dull without him, I hope he's here to stay.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 18 2015 08:38 GMT
#145
On January 18 2015 17:09 opterown wrote:
manofoneway


The greatest starcraft id ever.

Boxer wasted it as an alt :/
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IcookTacos
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden295 Posts
January 18 2015 08:44 GMT
#146
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


If you really liked Starcraft, you would understand why he's one of the most important players we have ever had.


Life | Ryung | Mvp | MarineKing | Jaedong | Bisu | HerO
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
January 18 2015 08:44 GMT
#147
Is he back?

That's a shame.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
January 18 2015 08:49 GMT
#148
I have no strong opinions either way on naniwa
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 09:08:00
January 18 2015 09:07 GMT
#149
On January 18 2015 17:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 16:52 OtherWorld wrote:
Is this really an article that is only about Naniwa? Is the SC2 scene weird to the point where a player can have the most unprofessional possible behavior and still have an article only about him?
As Kane said, how about making an article about Nerchio or about all the respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers out there (instead of calling them some random "qualifier hero")?


Players being extremely unprofessional and getting articles about only them as a result is extremely common in sports; I don't know what you're talking about. Plus writing articles about random pros isn't as interesting.

Except that in sports, unprofessional players are not the only ones to get articles about them. They also get articles about them because of their results, their showman behavior, a memorable moment of the year, a recovery after an accident (ok this one is uncommon in eSports), etc.
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 09:17:47
January 18 2015 09:14 GMT
#150
On January 18 2015 18:07 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 17:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:52 OtherWorld wrote:
Is this really an article that is only about Naniwa? Is the SC2 scene weird to the point where a player can have the most unprofessional possible behavior and still have an article only about him?
As Kane said, how about making an article about Nerchio or about all the respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers out there (instead of calling them some random "qualifier hero")?


Players being extremely unprofessional and getting articles about only them as a result is extremely common in sports; I don't know what you're talking about. Plus writing articles about random pros isn't as interesting.

Except that in sports, unprofessional players are not the only ones to get articles about them. They also get articles about them because of their results, their showman behavior, a memorable moment of the year, a recovery after an accident (ok this one is uncommon in eSports), etc.

Naniwa is obviously a big deal in the StarCraft community. Him qualifying for WCS is a huge storyline and the idea that he shouldn't be written about unless they write an article for everyone is absurd. You don't have to agree or condone with his behavior to understand this. Obviously plenty of people care about him. I for one thing think he was way over the line for his comment about Kane. However try telling a sports newspaper they shouldn't write about Zlatan. It makes no sense. Both Zlatan and Naniwa are some of the very best to have played the game.
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Ciubhran
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden98 Posts
January 18 2015 09:18 GMT
#151
On January 18 2015 18:14 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 18:07 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 18 2015 17:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:52 OtherWorld wrote:
Is this really an article that is only about Naniwa? Is the SC2 scene weird to the point where a player can have the most unprofessional possible behavior and still have an article only about him?
As Kane said, how about making an article about Nerchio or about all the respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers out there (instead of calling them some random "qualifier hero")?


Players being extremely unprofessional and getting articles about only them as a result is extremely common in sports; I don't know what you're talking about. Plus writing articles about random pros isn't as interesting.

Except that in sports, unprofessional players are not the only ones to get articles about them. They also get articles about them because of their results, their showman behavior, a memorable moment of the year, a recovery after an accident (ok this one is uncommon in eSports), etc.

Naniwa is obviously a big deal in the StarCraft community. Him qualifying for WCS is a huge storyline and the idea that he shouldn't be written about unless they write an article for everyone is absurd. You don't have to agree or condone with his behavior to understand this. Obviously plenty of people care about him. I for one thing think he was way over the line for his comment about Kane. However try telling a sports newspaper they shouldn't write about Zlatan. It makes no sense. Both Zlatan and Naniwa are some of the very best to have played the game.


They're also both Swedish!

Go Sweden!
phyren
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1067 Posts
January 18 2015 09:19 GMT
#152


With all the talk of professionalism and old player name dropping in this thread, I felt compelled to search out this clip. Not that I'm trying to draw parallels, but I hope for more lols like what I had from this video and this thread.
JyB
Profile Joined January 2012
France466 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 09:26:35
January 18 2015 09:26 GMT
#153
ahah Kane. You threw the jab.


Ciubhran
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden98 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 09:27:44
January 18 2015 09:26 GMT
#154
On January 18 2015 18:26 JyB wrote:
ahah

https://twitter.com/mYiKane/status/556680516984766464


Oh, man... This is embarassing. The cringe is real.

Seems like Kane will do anything to not have to get rekt by Naniwa in WCS.
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
January 18 2015 09:28 GMT
#155
On January 18 2015 18:26 JyB wrote:
ahah Kane. You threw the jab.

https://twitter.com/mYiKane/status/556680516984766464


The old saying regarding houses of glass and stone throwing comes to mind.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 18 2015 09:28 GMT
#156
On January 18 2015 18:26 Ciubhran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 18:26 JyB wrote:
ahah

https://twitter.com/mYiKane/status/556680516984766464


Oh, man... This is embarassing. The cringe is real.

Seems like Kane will do anything to not have to get rekt by Naniwa in WCS.


Yeah. I don't really like Naniwa anymore, but this is super weak on Kane's part xD
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SonGoku
Profile Joined September 2013
Germany152 Posts
January 18 2015 09:29 GMT
#157
I just love Naniwa.
Kane acts just like a little child. First poke the bear and then go tells mammy when bear hits back. little spineless heh?
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
January 18 2015 09:29 GMT
#158
On January 18 2015 16:52 OtherWorld wrote:
Is this really an article that is only about Naniwa? Is the SC2 scene weird to the point where a player can have the most unprofessional possible behavior and still have an article only about him?
As Kane said, how about making an article about Nerchio or about all the respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers out there (instead of calling them some random "qualifier hero")?



Agreed. If TL wants suggestions, I met a really nice, respectful opponent on gold league the other day who would make a great subject. He is just as relevant the current batch of non-naniwa foreigner pros, so why not.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 09:40:19
January 18 2015 09:36 GMT
#159
On January 18 2015 18:14 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 18:07 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 18 2015 17:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:52 OtherWorld wrote:
Is this really an article that is only about Naniwa? Is the SC2 scene weird to the point where a player can have the most unprofessional possible behavior and still have an article only about him?
As Kane said, how about making an article about Nerchio or about all the respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers out there (instead of calling them some random "qualifier hero")?


Players being extremely unprofessional and getting articles about only them as a result is extremely common in sports; I don't know what you're talking about. Plus writing articles about random pros isn't as interesting.

Except that in sports, unprofessional players are not the only ones to get articles about them. They also get articles about them because of their results, their showman behavior, a memorable moment of the year, a recovery after an accident (ok this one is uncommon in eSports), etc.

Naniwa is obviously a big deal in the StarCraft community. Him qualifying for WCS is a huge storyline and the idea that he shouldn't be written about unless they write an article for everyone is absurd. You don't have to agree or condone with his behavior to understand this. Obviously plenty of people care about him. I for one thing think he was way over the line for his comment about Kane. However try telling a sports newspaper they shouldn't write about Zlatan. It makes no sense. Both Zlatan and Naniwa are some of the very best to have played the game.

I guess I'm just angry at him getting more exposure than he would get if he had the behavior of a Snute or of a Scarlett then.
edit : I guess I'm also angry at all the NaNifans coming back to praise him and excuse every mistake he makes by accusing Swarm Hosts/Terran/soundproofing/whatever (and insulting his opponents too).
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Frost bitE
Profile Joined July 2013
Malaysia27 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 09:39:28
January 18 2015 09:37 GMT
#160
Go Go Go Naniwa !! All the best in your career !! It's back boys ! this is hypeeeuuu !! ^__^
Plus Naniwa is handsome ! tee hehe
Drone like a madmen ! ^_^
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
January 18 2015 09:39 GMT
#161
Nerchio, destroy his ass please
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Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
January 18 2015 09:46 GMT
#162
On January 18 2015 16:59 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 16:57 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Nerchio

respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers


lol

You missed the "or" part. Though Nerchio never accused ESL's PCs or soundproofing for his losses afaik.

Meh, I think that most of what I did and why a lot of people don't like me was really blown up out of proportion. It's true that I was always balance whining but it's my opinion about the game. Sure there was some soft insults from time to time which were probably quite unnecessary but that weren't the end of the world either. Being on the other side of insults or whines from other players I actually have more fun instead of being butthurt, thinking to myself "Did you really say that?".
I think you guys(or progamers) are really too sensitive from time to time, especially those that do the same behing curtains.
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
Faefae
Profile Joined June 2014
2203 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 09:48:21
January 18 2015 09:47 GMT
#163
That's one of the few MU involving nerchio where i root for him! Go nerchio !

Sure there was some soft insults from time to time

lol :D
ForGG. 29/11/2014
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
January 18 2015 09:47 GMT
#164
I love Naniwa's personality and his SC2 skills
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ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 09:49 GMT
#165
Love or hate him; Naniwa always makes me excited to check TL to see what he's done now. An article about any other random Sc2 pro wouldn't have 9 pages of #passion after the same amount of time, that's for sure.
Cogito, ergo toss.
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 09:51:09
January 18 2015 09:50 GMT
#166
On January 18 2015 18:47 Faefae wrote:
That's one of the few MU involving nerchio where i root for him! Go nerchio !

Show nested quote +
Sure there was some soft insults from time to time

lol :D

If you have time show me insults that weren't soft ;p can be on PM on twitter or TL
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
Legio
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden235 Posts
January 18 2015 09:51 GMT
#167
On January 18 2015 18:46 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 16:59 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:57 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Nerchio

respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers


lol

You missed the "or" part. Though Nerchio never accused ESL's PCs or soundproofing for his losses afaik.

Meh, I think that most of what I did and why a lot of people don't like me was really blown up out of proportion. It's true that I was always balance whining but it's my opinion about the game. Sure there was some soft insults from time to time which were probably quite unnecessary but that weren't the end of the world either. Being on the other side of insults or whines from other players I actually have more fun instead of being butthurt, thinking to myself "Did you really say that?".
I think you guys(or progamers) are really too sensitive from time to time, especially those that do the same behing curtains.

Out of curiosity, would you ever try to get an opponent disqualified from a tournament if he BM'ed you?
Faefae
Profile Joined June 2014
2203 Posts
January 18 2015 09:52 GMT
#168
On January 18 2015 18:49 ClueClueClue wrote:
Love or hate him; Naniwa always makes me excited to check TL to see what he's done now. An article about any other random Sc2 pro wouldn't have 9 pages of #passion after the same amount of time, that's for sure.

Love them or hate them; the terrorist always makes me excited to check the news to see what they've done.
Not comparing Naniwa to terrorist ofc..
ForGG. 29/11/2014
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 09:56:31
January 18 2015 09:53 GMT
#169
On January 18 2015 18:51 Legio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 18:46 Nerchio wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:59 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:57 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Nerchio

respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers


lol

You missed the "or" part. Though Nerchio never accused ESL's PCs or soundproofing for his losses afaik.

Meh, I think that most of what I did and why a lot of people don't like me was really blown up out of proportion. It's true that I was always balance whining but it's my opinion about the game. Sure there was some soft insults from time to time which were probably quite unnecessary but that weren't the end of the world either. Being on the other side of insults or whines from other players I actually have more fun instead of being butthurt, thinking to myself "Did you really say that?".
I think you guys(or progamers) are really too sensitive from time to time, especially those that do the same behing curtains.

Out of curiosity, would you ever try to get an opponent disqualified from a tournament if he BM'ed you?

Of course not, considering what I did in the past that would be hypocrisy. And as I said in my post, I don't really take any insult towards me too personal inside the game and I think nobody really should unless it's something really bad.
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 09:56 GMT
#170
On January 18 2015 18:52 Faefae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 18:49 ClueClueClue wrote:
Love or hate him; Naniwa always makes me excited to check TL to see what he's done now. An article about any other random Sc2 pro wouldn't have 9 pages of #passion after the same amount of time, that's for sure.

Love them or hate them; the terrorist always makes me excited to check the news to see what they've done.
Not comparing Naniwa to terrorist ofc..


"The terrorists" aren't as easily pinpointed as the single person NaNiwa, and afaik the shots they fire are of a different kind... as long as you're not physically hurting people, any ruckus a player like NaNi can stir up is pretty entertaining imo.
Cogito, ergo toss.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
January 18 2015 09:57 GMT
#171
On January 18 2015 18:39 Lorning wrote:
Nerchio, destroy his ass please

This 100 times. Though I don't think Nerchio is in a good shape right now, sadly.
Liliputin
Profile Joined January 2012
Czech Republic458 Posts
January 18 2015 09:58 GMT
#172
haha all this salt, hate and attention thanks to one guy, amazing! This is what sc2 needs! ^^

#alivegame

NaNiwa, btw please... Win against few koreans in Dreamhack or IEM and in no-time everyone will be cheering for you again... :D
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ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 10:00 GMT
#173
Dream scenario: NaNi reaches premier finals, loses terribly to Life, swears that he will have his revenge on humanity, flees into space where he becomes a sith lord and is taught the way of the light saber.
Cogito, ergo toss.
Faefae
Profile Joined June 2014
2203 Posts
January 18 2015 10:02 GMT
#174
On January 18 2015 18:56 ClueClueClue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 18:52 Faefae wrote:
On January 18 2015 18:49 ClueClueClue wrote:
Love or hate him; Naniwa always makes me excited to check TL to see what he's done now. An article about any other random Sc2 pro wouldn't have 9 pages of #passion after the same amount of time, that's for sure.

Love them or hate them; the terrorist always makes me excited to check the news to see what they've done.
Not comparing Naniwa to terrorist ofc..


"The terrorists" aren't as easily pinpointed as the single person NaNiwa, and afaik the shots they fire are of a different kind... as long as you're not physically hurting people, any ruckus a player like NaNi can stir up is pretty entertaining imo.

I should not have said "terrorist" T_T... I can only bold "Not comparing Naniwa to terrorist ofc" ...
All i'm saying is that the "let's not care about what someone does because they create drama" reasoning is in my opinion a terrible one.
ForGG. 29/11/2014
Legio
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden235 Posts
January 18 2015 10:02 GMT
#175
On January 18 2015 18:39 Lorning wrote:
Nerchio, destroy his ass please

That's very Freudian of you.
SkullEST
Profile Joined July 2010
Estonia32 Posts
January 18 2015 10:02 GMT
#176
Nani ur my fev player allways have been, fuck haters do what u allways do SLAY THESE NERDS ! Anyways big fan my friend im very happy that u came back. U saved our race and starcraft!!
pichoo
Profile Joined May 2014
Australia123 Posts
January 18 2015 10:03 GMT
#177
Regardless I'd say Naniwa is the most successful foreigner against Korean, especially when the scene has been very saturated with Koreans. He's the only one who's able to stand toe to toe with many Koreans even as Kespa players entered the scene, beating Dear (during his peak), Innovation, Hyun, Jaedong, San, Duckduck, and also reaching multiple finals against Leenock and life.

Most foreigners can only dream what he has achieved. IMO he did better than Stephano in this regard.
MattLance
Profile Joined October 2013
Germany11 Posts
January 18 2015 10:03 GMT
#178
It will be very funny to cheer for him in the twitch chat! :D
Daylight's burnin'!
TheRidd
Profile Joined January 2011
713 Posts
January 18 2015 10:07 GMT
#179
O man, time to watch some starcraft again. It's been a while.
SonGoku
Profile Joined September 2013
Germany152 Posts
January 18 2015 10:08 GMT
#180
On January 18 2015 18:52 Faefae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 18:49 ClueClueClue wrote:
Love or hate him; Naniwa always makes me excited to check TL to see what he's done now. An article about any other random Sc2 pro wouldn't have 9 pages of #passion after the same amount of time, that's for sure.

Love them or hate them; the terrorist always makes me excited to check the news to see what they've done.
Not comparing Naniwa to terrorist ofc..


What a jerk posting... i dont get excited seeing ppl die. Something is very very wrong with you
Faefae
Profile Joined June 2014
2203 Posts
January 18 2015 10:12 GMT
#181
On January 18 2015 19:08 SonGoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 18:52 Faefae wrote:
On January 18 2015 18:49 ClueClueClue wrote:
Love or hate him; Naniwa always makes me excited to check TL to see what he's done now. An article about any other random Sc2 pro wouldn't have 9 pages of #passion after the same amount of time, that's for sure.

Love them or hate them; the terrorist always makes me excited to check the news to see what they've done.
Not comparing Naniwa to terrorist ofc..


What a jerk posting... i dont get excited seeing ppl die. Something is very very wrong with you

That was not at all what i was saying ?
ForGG. 29/11/2014
SonGoku
Profile Joined September 2013
Germany152 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 10:14:16
January 18 2015 10:13 GMT
#182
That is exactly what you were saying. What else do terrorists do then?
Kuchikikun
Profile Joined March 2013
Italy560 Posts
January 18 2015 10:13 GMT
#183
" the terrorist always makes me excited to check the news to see what they've done"

Worst post I've read in a long time...and sometimes I open Twitch chat
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
January 18 2015 10:14 GMT
#184
I just think he meant excited in another way than what you are thinking
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Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
January 18 2015 10:15 GMT
#185
On January 18 2015 19:12 Faefae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 19:08 SonGoku wrote:
On January 18 2015 18:52 Faefae wrote:
On January 18 2015 18:49 ClueClueClue wrote:
Love or hate him; Naniwa always makes me excited to check TL to see what he's done now. An article about any other random Sc2 pro wouldn't have 9 pages of #passion after the same amount of time, that's for sure.

Love them or hate them; the terrorist always makes me excited to check the news to see what they've done.
Not comparing Naniwa to terrorist ofc..


What a jerk posting... i dont get excited seeing ppl die. Something is very very wrong with you

That was not at all what i was saying ?

You say you're excited to check the news to check upon whatever shenanigans terrorists are doing.. they usually kill people. Seems a bit fucked up, mate.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 10:17 GMT
#186
Great article and even better thread. I wonder how many people will tune in for the (P)NaNiwa vs (Z)Nerchio match!
Sooo much ; Gonna explode!
I Protoss winner, could it be?
SonGoku
Profile Joined September 2013
Germany152 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 10:19:12
January 18 2015 10:17 GMT
#187
On January 18 2015 19:14 nkr wrote:
I just think he meant excited in another way than what you are thinking

Well, i guess there arent too many ways to define excitement in that context...
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 18 2015 10:20 GMT
#188
he doesn't actually deserve a TL.net writeup.
Faefae
Profile Joined June 2014
2203 Posts
January 18 2015 10:21 GMT
#189
On January 18 2015 19:15 Bojas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 19:12 Faefae wrote:
On January 18 2015 19:08 SonGoku wrote:
On January 18 2015 18:52 Faefae wrote:
On January 18 2015 18:49 ClueClueClue wrote:
Love or hate him; Naniwa always makes me excited to check TL to see what he's done now. An article about any other random Sc2 pro wouldn't have 9 pages of #passion after the same amount of time, that's for sure.

Love them or hate them; the terrorist always makes me excited to check the news to see what they've done.
Not comparing Naniwa to terrorist ofc..


What a jerk posting... i dont get excited seeing ppl die. Something is very very wrong with you

That was not at all what i was saying ?

You say you're excited to check the news to check upon whatever shenanigans terrorists are doing.. they usually kill people. Seems a bit fucked up, mate.

wtf i was quoting a post... I pushed the reasoning of the guy i quote to show that it was stupid.
ForGG. 29/11/2014
terrancake
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Sweden30 Posts
January 18 2015 10:21 GMT
#190
SC2 in 2015 is already a more exciting year than the whole of 2014 combined.
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
January 18 2015 10:22 GMT
#191
On January 18 2015 19:20 boxerfred wrote:
he doesn't actually deserve a TL.net writeup.

I think TL.net decides who deserves one, and it seems that NaNiwa actually does.
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SonGoku
Profile Joined September 2013
Germany152 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 10:25:29
January 18 2015 10:22 GMT
#192
On January 18 2015 19:21 Faefae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 19:15 Bojas wrote:
On January 18 2015 19:12 Faefae wrote:
On January 18 2015 19:08 SonGoku wrote:
On January 18 2015 18:52 Faefae wrote:
On January 18 2015 18:49 ClueClueClue wrote:
Love or hate him; Naniwa always makes me excited to check TL to see what he's done now. An article about any other random Sc2 pro wouldn't have 9 pages of #passion after the same amount of time, that's for sure.

Love them or hate them; the terrorist always makes me excited to check the news to see what they've done.
Not comparing Naniwa to terrorist ofc..


What a jerk posting... i dont get excited seeing ppl die. Something is very very wrong with you

That was not at all what i was saying ?

You say you're excited to check the news to check upon whatever shenanigans terrorists are doing.. they usually kill people. Seems a bit fucked up, mate.

wtf i was quoting a post... I pushed the reasoning of the guy i quote to show that it was stupid.

In that case your are comparing Naniwa to terrorists (altough you claim not to) wich doesnt make it any better.
Shitty post stays very very shitty

Additionally your quoted post isnt stupid at all. Look at other big industries, you need ppl like Naniwa who make stuff controversal, it gets the ppl going. It generates the attention you need to make an industrie.
Simple example (just as simple as your terrorist statement): you think hollywood would draw so much attention and ppl you give up on their lifes to try to become succesfull there without all that gossip/drama around? think not
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 10:24:46
January 18 2015 10:24 GMT
#193
On January 18 2015 19:22 TheOneAboveU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 19:20 boxerfred wrote:
he doesn't actually deserve a TL.net writeup.

I think TL.net decides who deserves one, and it seems that NaNiwa actually does.

he does as much as a random car accident deserves to be broadcasted on CNN
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
January 18 2015 10:25 GMT
#194
Thanks stuchiu, this is a very good article.
SonGoku
Profile Joined September 2013
Germany152 Posts
January 18 2015 10:26 GMT
#195
This thread should be renamed in "worst comparisons ever" t.t
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
January 18 2015 10:26 GMT
#196
Hahahaha this thread. Has their ever been a more polarising figure in sc2?
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Faefae
Profile Joined June 2014
2203 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 10:27:31
January 18 2015 10:27 GMT
#197
On January 18 2015 19:26 SonGoku wrote:
This thread should be renamed in "worst comparisons ever" t.t

Yeah it was a pretty terrible one i admit, people don't understand at all what i was saying lol
Comparing situation != comparing people
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 10:27 GMT
#198
On January 18 2015 19:24 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 19:22 TheOneAboveU wrote:
On January 18 2015 19:20 boxerfred wrote:
he doesn't actually deserve a TL.net writeup.

I think TL.net decides who deserves one, and it seems that NaNiwa actually does.

he does as much as a random car accident deserves to be broadcasted on CNN

Why do you hate him so much boxer? It's not like he's a serious criminal or something.. Did he do something to you personally? :-S
I Protoss winner, could it be?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 18 2015 10:30 GMT
#199
On January 18 2015 19:27 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 19:24 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 19:22 TheOneAboveU wrote:
On January 18 2015 19:20 boxerfred wrote:
he doesn't actually deserve a TL.net writeup.

I think TL.net decides who deserves one, and it seems that NaNiwa actually does.

he does as much as a random car accident deserves to be broadcasted on CNN

Why do you hate him so much boxer? It's not like he's a serious criminal or something.. Did he do something to you personally? :-S

nonono, don't get me started. I'm off this thread now.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 10:32:20
January 18 2015 10:30 GMT
#200
On January 18 2015 19:03 pichoo wrote:
Regardless I'd say Naniwa is the most successful foreigner against Korean, especially when the scene has been very saturated with Koreans. He's the only one who's able to stand toe to toe with many Koreans even as Kespa players entered the scene, beating Dear (during his peak), Innovation, Hyun, Jaedong, San, Duckduck, and also reaching multiple finals against Leenock and life.

Most foreigners can only dream what he has achieved. IMO he did better than Stephano in this regard.


aligulac appears to be down but something tells me Stephano is way ahead in that regard.

Naniwa's only real advantage over him and most foreigners is that he was successful against Koreans in the gsl. Back to back ro8s in 2012 (when the competition had really ramped up) is quite a feat but still I'd firmly rank Stephano ahead of him as the undisputed #1 foreigner. After his big IPL3 win Stephano began to win so much against Koreans it almost stopped being noteworthy. He really felt indistinguishable from the average Korean zerg.

Hell, even in Stephano's nadir, he was still the only foreigner to ever make a WCS final during the Korean invasion of 2013-2014.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 18 2015 10:34 GMT
#201
On January 18 2015 19:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 19:03 pichoo wrote:
Regardless I'd say Naniwa is the most successful foreigner against Korean, especially when the scene has been very saturated with Koreans. He's the only one who's able to stand toe to toe with many Koreans even as Kespa players entered the scene, beating Dear (during his peak), Innovation, Hyun, Jaedong, San, Duckduck, and also reaching multiple finals against Leenock and life.

Most foreigners can only dream what he has achieved. IMO he did better than Stephano in this regard.


aligulac appears to be down but something tells me Stephano is way ahead in that regard.

Naniwa's only real advantage over him and most foreigners is that he was successful against Koreans in the gsl. Back to back ro8s in 2012 (when the competition had really ramped up) is quite a feat but still I'd firmly rank Stephano ahead of him as the undisputed #1 foreigner. After his big IPL3 win Stephano began to win so much against Koreans it almost stopped being noteworthy. He really felt indistinguishable from the average Korean zerg.

Hell, even in Stephano's nadir, he was still the only foreigner to ever make a WCS final during the Korean invasion of 2013-2014.

Are you trying to use actual facts while arguing with Naniwa fans? Please
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xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
January 18 2015 10:35 GMT
#202
On January 18 2015 14:06 lichter wrote:
yay drama already on the first page

everything goes as planned, stuchiu



haha yeah, i like to take the neutral side here

drama flows in the veins of the sc community; MOAR DRAMA = more viewership

Life - forever the Legend in my heart
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
January 18 2015 10:36 GMT
#203
I for one am glad that Naniwa is back, despite his incredibly toxic attitude.

After the last year, I welcome any foreigner that has the potential to fight Koreans on even grounds.
terrancake
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Sweden30 Posts
January 18 2015 10:38 GMT
#204
On January 18 2015 19:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 19:03 pichoo wrote:
Regardless I'd say Naniwa is the most successful foreigner against Korean, especially when the scene has been very saturated with Koreans. He's the only one who's able to stand toe to toe with many Koreans even as Kespa players entered the scene, beating Dear (during his peak), Innovation, Hyun, Jaedong, San, Duckduck, and also reaching multiple finals against Leenock and life.

Most foreigners can only dream what he has achieved. IMO he did better than Stephano in this regard.


aligulac appears to be down but something tells me Stephano is way ahead in that regard.

Naniwa's only real advantage over him and most foreigners is that he was successful against Koreans in the gsl. Back to back ro8s in 2012 (when the competition had really ramped up) is quite a feat but still I'd firmly rank Stephano ahead of him as the undisputed #1 foreigner. After his big IPL3 win Stephano began to win so much against Koreans it almost stopped being noteworthy. He really felt indistinguishable from the average Korean zerg.

Hell, even in Stephano's nadir, he was still the only foreigner to ever make a WCS final during the Korean invasion of 2013-2014.



Zerg achievements during the Brood Lord / Infestor era doesn't count as achievements. There were plenty of foreigner zergs taking games and series of Koreans back then.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
January 18 2015 10:39 GMT
#205
Good to have the best foreigner back.
Scene got hella lot more interesting.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 10:44:07
January 18 2015 10:43 GMT
#206
On January 18 2015 19:38 terrancake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 19:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On January 18 2015 19:03 pichoo wrote:
Regardless I'd say Naniwa is the most successful foreigner against Korean, especially when the scene has been very saturated with Koreans. He's the only one who's able to stand toe to toe with many Koreans even as Kespa players entered the scene, beating Dear (during his peak), Innovation, Hyun, Jaedong, San, Duckduck, and also reaching multiple finals against Leenock and life.

Most foreigners can only dream what he has achieved. IMO he did better than Stephano in this regard.


aligulac appears to be down but something tells me Stephano is way ahead in that regard.

Naniwa's only real advantage over him and most foreigners is that he was successful against Koreans in the gsl. Back to back ro8s in 2012 (when the competition had really ramped up) is quite a feat but still I'd firmly rank Stephano ahead of him as the undisputed #1 foreigner. After his big IPL3 win Stephano began to win so much against Koreans it almost stopped being noteworthy. He really felt indistinguishable from the average Korean zerg.

Hell, even in Stephano's nadir, he was still the only foreigner to ever make a WCS final during the Korean invasion of 2013-2014.



Zerg achievements during the Brood Lord / Infestor era doesn't count as achievements. There were plenty of foreigner zergs taking games and series of Koreans back then.


Agreed, especially since Stephano was so known because he abused BL / Infestor, amirite?

Everybody remembers the Stephano 12 min BL / Infestor max out, which gave him the vast majority of his wins.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 10:44 GMT
#207
On January 18 2015 19:38 terrancake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 19:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On January 18 2015 19:03 pichoo wrote:
Regardless I'd say Naniwa is the most successful foreigner against Korean, especially when the scene has been very saturated with Koreans. He's the only one who's able to stand toe to toe with many Koreans even as Kespa players entered the scene, beating Dear (during his peak), Innovation, Hyun, Jaedong, San, Duckduck, and also reaching multiple finals against Leenock and life.

Most foreigners can only dream what he has achieved. IMO he did better than Stephano in this regard.


aligulac appears to be down but something tells me Stephano is way ahead in that regard.

Naniwa's only real advantage over him and most foreigners is that he was successful against Koreans in the gsl. Back to back ro8s in 2012 (when the competition had really ramped up) is quite a feat but still I'd firmly rank Stephano ahead of him as the undisputed #1 foreigner. After his big IPL3 win Stephano began to win so much against Koreans it almost stopped being noteworthy. He really felt indistinguishable from the average Korean zerg.

Hell, even in Stephano's nadir, he was still the only foreigner to ever make a WCS final during the Korean invasion of 2013-2014.



Zerg achievements during the Brood Lord / Infestor era doesn't count as achievements. There were plenty of foreigner zergs taking games and series of Koreans back then.

Ever heard of a thing called roach? I don't think you know what you're talking about
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
January 18 2015 10:50 GMT
#208
On January 18 2015 19:38 terrancake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 19:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On January 18 2015 19:03 pichoo wrote:
Regardless I'd say Naniwa is the most successful foreigner against Korean, especially when the scene has been very saturated with Koreans. He's the only one who's able to stand toe to toe with many Koreans even as Kespa players entered the scene, beating Dear (during his peak), Innovation, Hyun, Jaedong, San, Duckduck, and also reaching multiple finals against Leenock and life.

Most foreigners can only dream what he has achieved. IMO he did better than Stephano in this regard.


aligulac appears to be down but something tells me Stephano is way ahead in that regard.

Naniwa's only real advantage over him and most foreigners is that he was successful against Koreans in the gsl. Back to back ro8s in 2012 (when the competition had really ramped up) is quite a feat but still I'd firmly rank Stephano ahead of him as the undisputed #1 foreigner. After his big IPL3 win Stephano began to win so much against Koreans it almost stopped being noteworthy. He really felt indistinguishable from the average Korean zerg.

Hell, even in Stephano's nadir, he was still the only foreigner to ever make a WCS final during the Korean invasion of 2013-2014.



Zerg achievements during the Brood Lord / Infestor era doesn't count as achievements. There were plenty of foreigner zergs taking games and series of Koreans back then.

People have been riding imbalances throughout the game. Should never discredit peoples achievements. The achievements are what the players play for, shouldn't take it away from them. No matter what imbalanced thing they used.

Only thing that should discredit achievements is straight up cheating. And fortunally we haven't had many big cheating scandals in sc2.
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Liliputin
Profile Joined January 2012
Czech Republic458 Posts
January 18 2015 10:50 GMT
#209
On January 18 2015 19:39 Weavel wrote:
Good to have the best foreigner back.
Scene got hella lot more interesting.

Exactly my thoughts!
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4133 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 10:54:06
January 18 2015 10:50 GMT
#210
On January 18 2015 19:38 terrancake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 19:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On January 18 2015 19:03 pichoo wrote:
Regardless I'd say Naniwa is the most successful foreigner against Korean, especially when the scene has been very saturated with Koreans. He's the only one who's able to stand toe to toe with many Koreans even as Kespa players entered the scene, beating Dear (during his peak), Innovation, Hyun, Jaedong, San, Duckduck, and also reaching multiple finals against Leenock and life.

Most foreigners can only dream what he has achieved. IMO he did better than Stephano in this regard.


aligulac appears to be down but something tells me Stephano is way ahead in that regard.

Naniwa's only real advantage over him and most foreigners is that he was successful against Koreans in the gsl. Back to back ro8s in 2012 (when the competition had really ramped up) is quite a feat but still I'd firmly rank Stephano ahead of him as the undisputed #1 foreigner. After his big IPL3 win Stephano began to win so much against Koreans it almost stopped being noteworthy. He really felt indistinguishable from the average Korean zerg.

Hell, even in Stephano's nadir, he was still the only foreigner to ever make a WCS final during the Korean invasion of 2013-2014.



Zerg achievements during the Brood Lord / Infestor era doesn't count as achievements. There were plenty of foreigner zergs taking games and series of Koreans back then.

thats true but not at Stephano's first year. First sign of BroodLord /Infestor era begun around May/June 2012. Stephano won IPL3 in October 2011. Plenty foreign zerg taking alot games during that BL/inf era, where Stephano lost his "alone" dominance.

but hell, why other Zerg were unable to win any tournament that time?
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Kosak
Profile Joined August 2013
Czech Republic193 Posts
January 18 2015 10:53 GMT
#211
best foreign SC player ever and mediocre kids are still trying to somehow justify their lack of skill by talking shit, better zip it and learn from the guy that still manages to kill you even that he retired
it's good to be the king
Kuchikikun
Profile Joined March 2013
Italy560 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 10:58:49
January 18 2015 10:58 GMT
#212

BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
January 18 2015 11:01 GMT
#213
On January 18 2015 19:36 JustPassingBy wrote:
I for one am glad that Naniwa is back, despite his incredibly toxic attitude.

After the last year, I welcome any foreigner that has the potential to fight Koreans on even grounds.


Yeah, I'm also happy that is he is back and yeah, last year was lukewarm at best, with foreigner contenders failing consistently when it counted the most. Let's see if the N-factor can make an impact in the long run, or if it is a temporary visit...
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
derc
Profile Joined November 2011
France126 Posts
January 18 2015 11:02 GMT
#214
It's not that easy to not flame/rage, work on our behaviour is one of the hardest thing to do.

Beside this, when playing becomes a job, you HAVE to do this work on yourself.

Since i watch this game, i've always been amazed about the reaction of losers (i-e losing a final last match to a cheese), they always seem "oh well i lost, meh .., well play to the other guy". Impressive self-control.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 18 2015 11:03 GMT
#215
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed.
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
January 18 2015 11:05 GMT
#216


Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
January 18 2015 11:05 GMT
#217
--- Nuked ---
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7103 Posts
January 18 2015 11:06 GMT
#218
On January 18 2015 19:53 Kosak wrote:
best foreign SC player ever and mediocre kids are still trying to somehow justify their lack of skill by talking shit, better zip it and learn from the guy that still manages to kill you even that he retired

A: He never retired.
B: He acts like the biggest douche in the world, so theres a reaason why peo0ple dont like him.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 11:07 GMT
#219
On January 18 2015 20:05 BaneRiders wrote:
https://twitter.com/NaNiwaSC2/status/556683273003630592


ahahahahaaaa xD
I Protoss winner, could it be?
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5585 Posts
January 18 2015 11:09 GMT
#220
Over 10 pages of nanipassion, what a way to start the morning!
don't wall off against random
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 11:12 GMT
#221
On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed.

Just when you think you're out; You yourself pulls you back in!
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Ve5pa
Profile Joined December 2014
United Kingdom252 Posts
January 18 2015 11:16 GMT
#222
I hope we get a Naniwa vs everyone who hates him tournament where we have post match interviews with all parties involved. It would be epic!

Get on it Basetrade TV.

Good luck to Nani, let's hope he stays respectful and well mannered, same with all those that play against him. Oh well.....
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
January 18 2015 11:16 GMT
#223
Polt is amused by the return and is looking forward playing him and winning the series after game one, yet again. Thumbs down

Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
January 18 2015 11:16 GMT
#224
got a theory why ppl hates Nani

simply, cause he's talented and able to show high results, the highest in Europe I would say.

a person that our scene needs, the evil genius, but I like it :D he's a very special guy, u don't have to bash him, simply enjoy him playing
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7103 Posts
January 18 2015 11:17 GMT
#225
On January 18 2015 20:16 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
got a theory why ppl hates Nani

simply, cause he's talented and able to show high results, the highest in Europe I would say.

a person that our scene needs, the evil genius, but I like it :D he's a very special guy, u don't have to bash him, simply enjoy him playing

lol people hate him because hes a dick
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SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
January 18 2015 11:18 GMT
#226
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

Naniwa proving this article right already

I hope he will be DQ from WCS.
Vasacast always in my <3
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
January 18 2015 11:19 GMT
#227
I really really really hope blizzard does not do any weak stuff like DQing him for trashing bad players on twitter

I want naniwa to beat all lame foreign pros in casual fashion and then cause some controversy so that other hardworking foreigners can once again look at him and see what they're lacking: skill and carisma
maru G5L pls
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 11:23:04
January 18 2015 11:21 GMT
#228
On January 18 2015 19:38 terrancake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 19:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On January 18 2015 19:03 pichoo wrote:
Regardless I'd say Naniwa is the most successful foreigner against Korean, especially when the scene has been very saturated with Koreans. He's the only one who's able to stand toe to toe with many Koreans even as Kespa players entered the scene, beating Dear (during his peak), Innovation, Hyun, Jaedong, San, Duckduck, and also reaching multiple finals against Leenock and life.

Most foreigners can only dream what he has achieved. IMO he did better than Stephano in this regard.


aligulac appears to be down but something tells me Stephano is way ahead in that regard.

Naniwa's only real advantage over him and most foreigners is that he was successful against Koreans in the gsl. Back to back ro8s in 2012 (when the competition had really ramped up) is quite a feat but still I'd firmly rank Stephano ahead of him as the undisputed #1 foreigner. After his big IPL3 win Stephano began to win so much against Koreans it almost stopped being noteworthy. He really felt indistinguishable from the average Korean zerg.

Hell, even in Stephano's nadir, he was still the only foreigner to ever make a WCS final during the Korean invasion of 2013-2014.



Zerg achievements during the Brood Lord / Infestor era doesn't count as achievements. There were plenty of foreigner zergs taking games and series of Koreans back then.


Stephano was doing good way before BL/Infestor showed up. I don't think it's a coincidence that we suddenly saw ling/infestor popping up everywhere in Korean games after he won IPL3. Skill recognize skill.
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Kuchikikun
Profile Joined March 2013
Italy560 Posts
January 18 2015 11:22 GMT
#229
On January 18 2015 20:18 SuperHofmann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

Naniwa proving this article right already

I hope he will be DQ from WCS.


What about Kane?



On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.


I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
January 18 2015 11:23 GMT
#230
Great player, good he isnt wasting his talent.

I would probably have done half the shit he's done anyway. He's emotional and struggles to contain himself which makes him act unprofessional and appear rude, when really he's just being forced to deal with his own emotions in the public eye. It doesnt make what he does right, but it would do everyone well to remember how some teenagers can struggle with things like this.
Useless wet fish.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 11:25:24
January 18 2015 11:23 GMT
#231
On January 18 2015 20:16 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
got a theory why ppl hates Nani

simply, cause he's talented and able to show high results, the highest in Europe I would say.

a person that our scene needs, the evil genius, but I like it :D he's a very special guy, u don't have to bash him, simply enjoy him playing

I have a theory on this too. It's because he often shows disrespect towards his opponents, towards casters, towards the community, towards the game itself, because he constantly whines about everything.
Edit : oh yeah, and the behavior of some/most of his fans probably plays a part in that too.
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BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
January 18 2015 11:24 GMT
#232
On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed.


Nani is posting in here, and he is not permed. So he must be behaving a lot better here than the average community I suppose?
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
CoB-Vince
Profile Joined July 2010
143 Posts
January 18 2015 11:24 GMT
#233
Reading all the comments i wish Naniwa the best of luck and hope he has a great WCS run
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
January 18 2015 11:28 GMT
#234
On January 18 2015 20:18 SuperHofmann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

Naniwa proving this article right already

I hope he will be DQ from WCS.


He won't and he shouldn't.
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SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
January 18 2015 11:32 GMT
#235
On January 18 2015 20:28 ROOTiaguz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 20:18 SuperHofmann wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

Naniwa proving this article right already

I hope he will be DQ from WCS.


He won't and he shouldn't.

but deserve it.
Vasacast always in my <3
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
January 18 2015 11:34 GMT
#236
On January 18 2015 20:32 SuperHofmann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 20:28 ROOTiaguz wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:18 SuperHofmann wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

Naniwa proving this article right already

I hope he will be DQ from WCS.


He won't and he shouldn't.

but deserve it.


True but we give skilled players more leeway and that's ok considering the spotlight on them.
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Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
January 18 2015 11:37 GMT
#237
On January 18 2015 20:23 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 20:16 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
got a theory why ppl hates Nani

simply, cause he's talented and able to show high results, the highest in Europe I would say.

a person that our scene needs, the evil genius, but I like it :D he's a very special guy, u don't have to bash him, simply enjoy him playing

I have a theory on this too. It's because he often shows disrespect towards his opponents, towards casters, towards the community, towards the game itself, because he constantly whines about everything.
Edit : oh yeah, and the behavior of some/most of his fans probably plays a part in that too.


He had a real point in everything he ever started to complain. Is it so hard to accept behind the wall of hate?
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 18 2015 11:39 GMT
#238
On January 18 2015 20:34 ROOTiaguz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 20:32 SuperHofmann wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:28 ROOTiaguz wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:18 SuperHofmann wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

Naniwa proving this article right already

I hope he will be DQ from WCS.


He won't and he shouldn't.

but deserve it.


True but we give skilled players more leeway and that's ok considering the spotlight on them.

Is that really OK? That's double standard. A rule being a rule, it should be applied without double standards.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 18 2015 11:40 GMT
#239
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough

Who are you ?
Whats up with some no name flaming Naniwa ahahah
Get some results before flaming dood
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7103 Posts
January 18 2015 11:41 GMT
#240
On January 18 2015 20:37 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 20:23 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:16 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
got a theory why ppl hates Nani

simply, cause he's talented and able to show high results, the highest in Europe I would say.

a person that our scene needs, the evil genius, but I like it :D he's a very special guy, u don't have to bash him, simply enjoy him playing

I have a theory on this too. It's because he often shows disrespect towards his opponents, towards casters, towards the community, towards the game itself, because he constantly whines about everything.
Edit : oh yeah, and the behavior of some/most of his fans probably plays a part in that too.


He had a real point in everything he ever started to complain. Is it so hard to accept behind the wall of hate?

Like Happy "stream cheating"? Or a soundproof problem at IEM? Or all the other things hes done lol. Its simple, hes a whiny kid who cannot accept a loss.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 11:46:39
January 18 2015 11:45 GMT
#241
On January 18 2015 20:37 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 20:23 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:16 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
got a theory why ppl hates Nani

simply, cause he's talented and able to show high results, the highest in Europe I would say.

a person that our scene needs, the evil genius, but I like it :D he's a very special guy, u don't have to bash him, simply enjoy him playing

I have a theory on this too. It's because he often shows disrespect towards his opponents, towards casters, towards the community, towards the game itself, because he constantly whines about everything.
Edit : oh yeah, and the behavior of some/most of his fans probably plays a part in that too.


He had a real point in everything he ever started to complain. Is it so hard to accept behind the wall of hate?

He had a real point? Funny how no one else complained about ESL's PCs, then. Funny how he was still saying how Protoss was UP back in the Golden Era of Protoss. Oh yeah, too, how is insulting Stephano (the "you already made 200K$ building only infestors" tweet), or Kane ("you know SC2 is dead when Kane is number one on ladder"), or other progamers, making a good point?
I'm sorry but no. Some of his concerns/complaints were legit. Most of them were not.
edit : funnily enough I've never seen him complain after a win lol.
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MavivaM
Profile Joined November 2011
1535 Posts
January 18 2015 11:47 GMT
#242
Expectancy theory at its finest.
Sigh.
Your Opinion has been counted. Only 3 more Opinions needed for a reddit thread.
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
January 18 2015 11:49 GMT
#243
On January 18 2015 20:39 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 20:34 ROOTiaguz wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:32 SuperHofmann wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:28 ROOTiaguz wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:18 SuperHofmann wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

Naniwa proving this article right already

I hope he will be DQ from WCS.


He won't and he shouldn't.

but deserve it.


True but we give skilled players more leeway and that's ok considering the spotlight on them.

Is that really OK? That's double standard. A rule being a rule, it should be applied without double standards.


Eh, progamers are special.
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
January 18 2015 11:49 GMT
#244
On January 18 2015 20:39 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 20:34 ROOTiaguz wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:32 SuperHofmann wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:28 ROOTiaguz wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:18 SuperHofmann wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

Naniwa proving this article right already

I hope he will be DQ from WCS.


He won't and he shouldn't.

but deserve it.


True but we give skilled players more leeway and that's ok considering the spotlight on them.

Is that really OK? That's double standard. A rule being a rule, it should be applied without double standards.

I think he meant that any misstep someone does as top player is blown up a lot more than a misstep from a no-name player. Also, top players will be provoced more. So I can see the point of being more forgiving with top player, without being "double standard".

Also, even if top players are treated differently, so what? They want the best players for the best tournaments to get as many views as possible. If that requires being a bit unfair to some players, I don't see what would stop them.
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
January 18 2015 11:51 GMT
#245
On January 18 2015 20:39 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 20:34 ROOTiaguz wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:32 SuperHofmann wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:28 ROOTiaguz wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:18 SuperHofmann wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

Naniwa proving this article right already

I hope he will be DQ from WCS.


He won't and he shouldn't.

but deserve it.


True but we give skilled players more leeway and that's ok considering the spotlight on them.

Is that really OK? That's double standard. A rule being a rule, it should be applied without double standards.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tl-community/17883-tlnet-ten-commandments

Rule 6.
I think esports is pretty nice.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
January 18 2015 11:51 GMT
#246
On January 18 2015 20:45 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 20:37 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:23 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:16 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
got a theory why ppl hates Nani

simply, cause he's talented and able to show high results, the highest in Europe I would say.

a person that our scene needs, the evil genius, but I like it :D he's a very special guy, u don't have to bash him, simply enjoy him playing

I have a theory on this too. It's because he often shows disrespect towards his opponents, towards casters, towards the community, towards the game itself, because he constantly whines about everything.
Edit : oh yeah, and the behavior of some/most of his fans probably plays a part in that too.


He had a real point in everything he ever started to complain. Is it so hard to accept behind the wall of hate?

He had a real point? Funny how no one else complained about ESL's PCs, then. Funny how he was still saying how Protoss was UP back in the Golden Era of Protoss. Oh yeah, too, how is insulting Stephano (the "you already made 200K$ building only infestors" tweet), or Kane ("you know SC2 is dead when Kane is number one on ladder"), or other progamers, making a good point?
I'm sorry but no. Some of his concerns/complaints were legit. Most of them were not.
edit : funnily enough I've never seen him complain after a win lol.

Proven: Naniwa winning is a sign of good, fair conditions!
pichoo
Profile Joined May 2014
Australia123 Posts
January 18 2015 11:54 GMT
#247
aligulac appears to be down but something tells me Stephano is way ahead in that regard.

Naniwa's only real advantage over him and most foreigners is that he was successful against Koreans in the gsl. Back to back ro8s in 2012 (when the competition had really ramped up) is quite a feat but still I'd firmly rank Stephano ahead of him as the undisputed #1 foreigner. After his big IPL3 win Stephano began to win so much against Koreans it almost stopped being noteworthy. He really felt indistinguishable from the average Korean zerg.

Hell, even in Stephano's nadir, he was still the only foreigner to ever make a WCS final during the Korean invasion of 2013-2014.


On winning tournament, is no doubt Stephano is the best foreigner, however I'm comparing a different era, when Kespa players stepping in to the scene. Naniwa was the only foreigner who can go far in major tournaments full of Koreans and Kespa players. I guess you can say Scarlett was also doing really good in 2013 and early 2014.

OtherWorld: No I'm not Nani fanboy, i'm not even protoss fan. I'm just like everyone else hungry for foreigners doing well in tournaments. With the new WCS system, more chance for foreigners to participate which means more experience and motivations for them, and hopefully we'll see them doing well in other tourneys like IEM or Dreamhack.
Gothic
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden122 Posts
January 18 2015 11:55 GMT
#248
On January 18 2015 18:53 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 18:51 Legio wrote:
On January 18 2015 18:46 Nerchio wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:59 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:57 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Nerchio

respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers


lol

You missed the "or" part. Though Nerchio never accused ESL's PCs or soundproofing for his losses afaik.

Meh, I think that most of what I did and why a lot of people don't like me was really blown up out of proportion. It's true that I was always balance whining but it's my opinion about the game. Sure there was some soft insults from time to time which were probably quite unnecessary but that weren't the end of the world either. Being on the other side of insults or whines from other players I actually have more fun instead of being butthurt, thinking to myself "Did you really say that?".
I think you guys(or progamers) are really too sensitive from time to time, especially those that do the same behing curtains.

Out of curiosity, would you ever try to get an opponent disqualified from a tournament if he BM'ed you?

Of course not, considering what I did in the past that would be hypocrisy. And as I said in my post, I don't really take any insult towards me too personal inside the game and I think nobody really should unless it's something really bad.


Oh Nerchio. I've ... strongly disliked you for years. First because you were a damn beast, destroying many players I was cheering for in various tournaments. Then because I'm a huge Naniwa fanboy and you guys seemed to be enemies, so of course I'd stand by my champ in the rivalry.

But now, with these posts you're... mffhhssmgff.... getting my respect. You display a great deal of self distance and perspective here, just as I think Naniwa does. You made a small fan out of me just now. It's always tough to cheer for two guys with a huge rivalry, so I guess this should be interesting.

Btw for those who missed it, my favourite Nani quote from Desrow's show the other day (not verbatim, and credit to Daniel B, a poster in Barcraft Sthlm):

NaNiwa: I don't remember this game being so hard to play but I've improved so much in just a month

XMGToD: But you said you would be the best forigner in one (1) week?

NaNiwa: Yes but I talk alot of shit


:D
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Alex007
Profile Joined December 2010
Ukraine211 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 12:01:49
January 18 2015 11:55 GMT
#249
Why the hell are TL authors not even checking what they are writing? It was figured out like 100 times that Russian stream HAD a 3-min delay (which was less than 5-min on other streams, but still it was clear, that nobody could listern to a stream, it's a bullshit), so you're just lying in the article. Great job!
Senior Product Manager for ESL SC2 Pro Tour
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
January 18 2015 11:55 GMT
#250
On January 18 2015 20:45 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 20:37 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:23 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:16 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
got a theory why ppl hates Nani

simply, cause he's talented and able to show high results, the highest in Europe I would say.

a person that our scene needs, the evil genius, but I like it :D he's a very special guy, u don't have to bash him, simply enjoy him playing

I have a theory on this too. It's because he often shows disrespect towards his opponents, towards casters, towards the community, towards the game itself, because he constantly whines about everything.
Edit : oh yeah, and the behavior of some/most of his fans probably plays a part in that too.


He had a real point in everything he ever started to complain. Is it so hard to accept behind the wall of hate?

He had a real point? Funny how no one else complained about ESL's PCs, then. Funny how he was still saying how Protoss was UP back in the Golden Era of Protoss. Oh yeah, too, how is insulting Stephano (the "you already made 200K$ building only infestors" tweet), or Kane ("you know SC2 is dead when Kane is number one on ladder"), or other progamers, making a good point?
I'm sorry but no. Some of his concerns/complaints were legit. Most of them were not.
edit : funnily enough I've never seen him complain after a win lol.


Some people are not afraid to show emotions and not afraid to share emotions. And it's clrearly can be seens that half of his posts are filled with sarcasm almost completely. Exactly that post was about Kane us number 1 on ladder while #dreampool, "daed gaem". Soundproofing at IEM? It is a very real issue, streamcheating by Happy? Less likely but the result was different and Happy played an awful decider.

Hate him or love him, more likely u're still going to watch him playing which is going to be positive for viewer numbers.
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mRpolite
Profile Joined March 2012
189 Posts
January 18 2015 12:01 GMT
#251
I will never, ever, evereverever understand people's opsesion with a player's personality. How can you care about something outside of the game? You think naniwa's personality is awful? You think there are no others like him in other sports? The only problem with naniwa is he communicates with the community and then he hits a wall made by idlers who can never understand what it means to give it your all and try and move the world around you.
The only thing important is that he is fucking good at the game, that he gives us amazing series, allways seeks out new ways to win and that his micro allows him to stop a push warping exatly 1 more zealot. I could not care less even he draws dicks in the chat as long as he plays his all.
I think naniwa is the best thing that happened to foreign starcraft. I don't see how it could not be. He skills set and dedication to win are what few outside of korea have shown during the years.

Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4133 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 12:09:47
January 18 2015 12:07 GMT
#252
On January 18 2015 21:01 mRpolite wrote:
I will never, ever, evereverever understand people's opsesion with a player's personality. How can you care about something outside of the game?

And prizepool gets more attraction than the playerpool or/and tournament itself.
All this phenomenons exist since sc2. I complained this thing for 5 yrs now.
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messioso
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark635 Posts
January 18 2015 12:08 GMT
#253
I enjoyed this Long may he reign.
Former ESL League Operations. I ran IEM/WCS for like 3 years or something. I did map vetos on a tablet. That guy.
SonGoku
Profile Joined September 2013
Germany152 Posts
January 18 2015 12:11 GMT
#254
https://twitter.com/mYiKane/status/556606972737224704

Why not You vs Naniwa in real life? Is it because you think you have a slight... disadvantage...?
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 12:15:34
January 18 2015 12:12 GMT
#255
On January 18 2015 20:55 Alex007 wrote:
Why the hell are TL authors not even checking what they are writing? It was figured out like 100 times that Russian stream HAD a 3-min delay (which was less than 5-min on other streams, but still it was clear, that nobody could listern to a stream, it's a bullshit), so you're just lying in the article. Great job!


The Russian stream was breaking the rules by considerable margin of 2 minutes and that's what matters. In fact, they should be punished in some way for that.

WCS Player Handbook, pg. 32:
+ Show Spoiler +
Guidelines for non-official World Championship Series Shoutcasters and Streams
The shoutcaster must receive permission from both players to broadcast if the game is being broadcast on a non-official World Championship Series Qualifier stream;
The stream must be broadcast on a 5 minute delay;
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4133 Posts
January 18 2015 12:15 GMT
#256
thank you @pms for that handbook site. It also says that players can play the game without any stream.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
January 18 2015 12:19 GMT
#257
Do people actually know Kane has an amputated foot? How can you say he had that coming. Nuts. It's like Kane poked Naniwa in the cheek and Naniwa blew his head off in return. It's way over the line.
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Alex007
Profile Joined December 2010
Ukraine211 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 12:23:08
January 18 2015 12:22 GMT
#258
The Russian stream was breaking the rules by considerable margin of 2 minutes and that's what matters. In fact, they should be punished in some way for that.

WCS Player Handbook, pg. 32:

If you're such a fan of last year's handbook, try also to count the amount of times Naniwa broke it while insulting his opponent and all russians in general. That's definitely the one to be "punished".
Senior Product Manager for ESL SC2 Pro Tour
TargA
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway204 Posts
January 18 2015 12:26 GMT
#259
On January 18 2015 21:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Do people actually know Kane has an amputated foot? How can you say he had that coming. Nuts. It's like Kane poked Naniwa in the cheek and Naniwa blew his head off in return. It's way over the line.



When you fuck with people 24/7, they might actually say or do something back at you.
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BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
January 18 2015 12:27 GMT
#260
On January 18 2015 21:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Do people actually know Kane has an amputated foot? How can you say he had that coming. Nuts. It's like Kane poked Naniwa in the cheek and Naniwa blew his head off in return. It's way over the line.


Yea but Kane does a lot of that sort of provoking shit. Can't say I sympathise all that much.
ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
January 18 2015 12:30 GMT
#261
On January 18 2015 21:08 messioso wrote:
I enjoyed this Long may he reign.


You seem to be excited :>
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Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
January 18 2015 12:30 GMT
#262
On January 18 2015 21:22 Alex007 wrote:
Show nested quote +
The Russian stream was breaking the rules by considerable margin of 2 minutes and that's what matters. In fact, they should be punished in some way for that.

WCS Player Handbook, pg. 32:

If you're such a fan of last year's handbook, try also to count the amount of times Naniwa broke it while insulting his opponent and all russians in general. That's definitely the one to be "punished".


It's so hard to change a single number of delay in your OBS...You are trying to prove actually what? Insulting russians in general? Are we living in different worlds or what? :D
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10668 Posts
January 18 2015 12:30 GMT
#263
Naniwa is a boss, met him in RL at MLG couple years back, true boss gogo nani
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
January 18 2015 12:32 GMT
#264
On January 18 2015 21:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Do people actually know Kane has an amputated foot? How can you say he had that coming. Nuts. It's like Kane poked Naniwa in the cheek and Naniwa blew his head off in return. It's way over the line.


Making people to boo Naniwa out of the scene is a little more than a poke in the cheek for me. If you make harsch attacks towards someone, you should be prepared to take the backlash and that´s just what came his way. I think your comparison is way off.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
January 18 2015 12:33 GMT
#265
On January 18 2015 21:26 TargA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 21:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Do people actually know Kane has an amputated foot? How can you say he had that coming. Nuts. It's like Kane poked Naniwa in the cheek and Naniwa blew his head off in return. It's way over the line.



When you fuck with people 24/7, they might actually say or do something back at you.

Or blow your head off :D
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
January 18 2015 12:35 GMT
#266
On January 18 2015 21:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Do people actually know Kane has an amputated foot? How can you say he had that coming. Nuts. It's like Kane poked Naniwa in the cheek and Naniwa blew his head off in return. It's way over the line.

Not in Florida it's not.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
January 18 2015 12:35 GMT
#267
On January 18 2015 21:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Do people actually know Kane has an amputated foot? How can you say he had that coming. Nuts. It's like Kane poked Naniwa in the cheek and Naniwa blew his head off in return. It's way over the line.


Folks, let's get it straight:
Naniwa's comment about Kane was disgusting, but at least he quickly removed it and replaced it with the peace-oriented tweets, so he knows that he did wrong and corrected it in the way he could.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
January 18 2015 12:39 GMT
#268
On January 18 2015 21:35 pms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 21:19 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Do people actually know Kane has an amputated foot? How can you say he had that coming. Nuts. It's like Kane poked Naniwa in the cheek and Naniwa blew his head off in return. It's way over the line.


Folks, let's get it straight:
Naniwa's comment about Kane was disgusting, but at least he quickly removed it and replaced it with the peace-oriented tweets, so he knows that he did wrong and corrected it in the way he could.

Ah, nice. I didn't realize.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 12:39:40
January 18 2015 12:39 GMT
#269
Oh stuchiu what have you done lol. Nice article .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
_fool
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands676 Posts
January 18 2015 12:42 GMT
#270
On January 18 2015 15:48 pigmanbear wrote:
[...] The idea that Vortix can be compared to IdrA is laughable. Vortix literally never won a thing of significance.


1) "The idea of comparing these 2 players is laughable!"
2) [Proceeds to compare the 2 players]

This thread is pure gold.
"News is to the mind what sugar is to the body"
Flopgun
Profile Joined August 2005
Germany274 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 12:45:49
January 18 2015 12:45 GMT
#271
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]



From WCS Player Handbook:

Player Rules and Responsibilities
16.0
Player Code of Conduct

B.
Behavior – Players are required to behave in a sportsmanlike manner towards other competitors, members of the administration team, media, and fans.

17.0 Player Code of Conduct Offenses

B.
Violations of the Code of Conduct may vary including a warning, an immediate disqualification, removal from the tournament, and/or restriction from participation in future events.


https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/5WJHXI5A98CS1394665510029.pdf


If drawing inappropriate things with scans is not ok, then this can not be acceptable.
Jaedong fighting
DailYLeet
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany827 Posts
January 18 2015 12:46 GMT
#272
i fckn love naniwa, brings action into the gameeeee
"King Goody spoke - you have to treat his words like gold , he is the wisest man , who ever crossed the EU server" - Cloud
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 12:50 GMT
#273
On January 18 2015 21:45 Flopgun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]



From WCS Player Handbook:

Player Rules and Responsibilities
16.0
Player Code of Conduct

B.
Behavior – Players are required to behave in a sportsmanlike manner towards other competitors, members of the administration team, media, and fans.

17.0 Player Code of Conduct Offenses

B.
Violations of the Code of Conduct may vary including a warning, an immediate disqualification, removal from the tournament, and/or restriction from participation in future events.


https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/5WJHXI5A98CS1394665510029.pdf


If drawing inappropriate things with scans is not ok, then this can not be acceptable.

Meh, that's so last years handbook. Now everything goes!
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
January 18 2015 12:51 GMT
#274
On January 18 2015 14:36 peanuts wrote:
Welp, I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy this one. Have fun kids. Daily reminder that not even Nani is as evil as Sniper though.

Nani, if you win WCS, I'm dying my hair blue again. Just saying.

"again" wtf dude :D

aaaaand of course it's stuchiu who wrote this article! great article!
ye nani is awesome, more a hero than a villain imo. a personality we needed to make this gaem aliev again!
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Mangooze
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands301 Posts
January 18 2015 12:52 GMT
#275
I love the "went too far" thing. If you get punched in the face, you can punch back as hard as you want. Seeing these are words only, this was not over the line at all in my opinion. Happy Naniwa is back, fed up with all these people on their high horses. Hope he does well.
Liquid`TLO
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Germany767 Posts
January 18 2015 12:52 GMT
#276
On January 18 2015 21:50 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 21:45 Flopgun wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]



From WCS Player Handbook:

Player Rules and Responsibilities
16.0
Player Code of Conduct

B.
Behavior – Players are required to behave in a sportsmanlike manner towards other competitors, members of the administration team, media, and fans.

17.0 Player Code of Conduct Offenses

B.
Violations of the Code of Conduct may vary including a warning, an immediate disqualification, removal from the tournament, and/or restriction from participation in future events.


https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/5WJHXI5A98CS1394665510029.pdf


If drawing inappropriate things with scans is not ok, then this can not be acceptable.

Meh, that's so last years handbook. Now everything goes!


THERE'S NO RULES! I declare myself winner of WCS 2015 season 1! WOOOH
Team Liquidalea iacta est
PepsiMaxxxx
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden5452 Posts
January 18 2015 12:53 GMT
#277
Isn't that during a WCS tournament? What players do on their free time should be their own business.
TargA
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway204 Posts
January 18 2015 12:55 GMT
#278
On January 18 2015 21:52 Liquid`TLO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 21:50 Penev wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:45 Flopgun wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]



From WCS Player Handbook:

Player Rules and Responsibilities
16.0
Player Code of Conduct

B.
Behavior – Players are required to behave in a sportsmanlike manner towards other competitors, members of the administration team, media, and fans.

17.0 Player Code of Conduct Offenses

B.
Violations of the Code of Conduct may vary including a warning, an immediate disqualification, removal from the tournament, and/or restriction from participation in future events.


https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/5WJHXI5A98CS1394665510029.pdf


If drawing inappropriate things with scans is not ok, then this can not be acceptable.

Meh, that's so last years handbook. Now everything goes!


THERE'S NO RULES! I declare myself winner of WCS 2015 season 1! WOOOH


I also declare myself the winner of wcs 2015 season 1, we'll have to fight to the death for the title!
ProgamerOn October 26 2013 00:10 Nerchio wrote: Shoutout to Targa, best zerg in europe || http://twitter.com/#!/TargA01
PepsiMaxxxx
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden5452 Posts
January 18 2015 12:56 GMT
#279
On January 18 2015 21:52 Liquid`TLO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 21:50 Penev wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:45 Flopgun wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]



From WCS Player Handbook:

Player Rules and Responsibilities
16.0
Player Code of Conduct

B.
Behavior – Players are required to behave in a sportsmanlike manner towards other competitors, members of the administration team, media, and fans.

17.0 Player Code of Conduct Offenses

B.
Violations of the Code of Conduct may vary including a warning, an immediate disqualification, removal from the tournament, and/or restriction from participation in future events.


https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/5WJHXI5A98CS1394665510029.pdf


If drawing inappropriate things with scans is not ok, then this can not be acceptable.

Meh, that's so last years handbook. Now everything goes!


THERE'S NO RULES! I declare myself winner of WCS 2015 season 1! WOOOH


C'mon! Let's keep it a little realistic at least...
Gothic
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden122 Posts
January 18 2015 12:57 GMT
#280
I usually detest comments about handicaps, but man.. imagine an Annoyotron poking at Deathwing for 20 turns... "hello, hello, hello!!!" Of course he's going to get fricking obliterated.
In the age of the internet, attaching a famous name to your personal opinion to give more weight to it is a very valid strategy. - Benjamin Franklin
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 12:58 GMT
#281
On January 18 2015 21:55 TargA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 21:52 Liquid`TLO wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:50 Penev wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:45 Flopgun wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]



From WCS Player Handbook:

Player Rules and Responsibilities
16.0
Player Code of Conduct

B.
Behavior – Players are required to behave in a sportsmanlike manner towards other competitors, members of the administration team, media, and fans.

17.0 Player Code of Conduct Offenses

B.
Violations of the Code of Conduct may vary including a warning, an immediate disqualification, removal from the tournament, and/or restriction from participation in future events.


https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/5WJHXI5A98CS1394665510029.pdf


If drawing inappropriate things with scans is not ok, then this can not be acceptable.

Meh, that's so last years handbook. Now everything goes!


THERE'S NO RULES! I declare myself winner of WCS 2015 season 1! WOOOH


I also declare myself the winner of wcs 2015 season 1, we'll have to fight to the death for the title!

There's already 800 bucks in it! Not fair though; You'll win easy..
I Protoss winner, could it be?
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
January 18 2015 12:58 GMT
#282
It's funny how Kane and people call for WCS rules in this situation as if he needed to say absolutely nothing during his stay in WCS lel
TL+ Member
onlyRox
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany26 Posts
January 18 2015 12:59 GMT
#283
well written article!
there is a spelling mistake in the sentence next to the last.
TaeJa Life InnoVatioN Maru PartinG <3
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
January 18 2015 13:02 GMT
#284
On January 18 2015 21:45 Flopgun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]



From WCS Player Handbook:

Player Rules and Responsibilities
16.0
Player Code of Conduct

B.
Behavior – Players are required to behave in a sportsmanlike manner towards other competitors, members of the administration team, media, and fans.

17.0 Player Code of Conduct Offenses

B.
Violations of the Code of Conduct may vary including a warning, an immediate disqualification, removal from the tournament, and/or restriction from participation in future events.


https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/5WJHXI5A98CS1394665510029.pdf


If drawing inappropriate things with scans is not ok, then this can not be acceptable.


Thanks for that. However, in this case I think that the players were talking outside of the game about things which are only indirectly related to the game. I mean, isn't it a personal business of the players what kind of a relation they have in real life outside of the game?

One could consider the legal interpretations of tweets that wish physical harm or stage physical fights, but I'm pretty sure that everyone agrees here that this would be a hugely overblown case. Finally, Naniwa removed his tweet, so he backed off from his statement.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 18 2015 13:05 GMT
#285
On January 18 2015 22:02 pms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 21:45 Flopgun wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]



From WCS Player Handbook:

Player Rules and Responsibilities
16.0
Player Code of Conduct

B.
Behavior – Players are required to behave in a sportsmanlike manner towards other competitors, members of the administration team, media, and fans.

17.0 Player Code of Conduct Offenses

B.
Violations of the Code of Conduct may vary including a warning, an immediate disqualification, removal from the tournament, and/or restriction from participation in future events.


https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/5WJHXI5A98CS1394665510029.pdf


If drawing inappropriate things with scans is not ok, then this can not be acceptable.


Thanks for that. However, in this case I think that the players were talking outside of the game about things which are only indirectly related to the game. I mean, isn't it a personal business of the players what kind of a relation they have in real life outside of the game?

One could consider the legal interpretations of tweets that wish physical harm or stage physical fights, but I'm pretty sure that everyone agrees here that this would be a hugely overblown case. Finally, Naniwa removed his tweet, so he backed off from his statement.


I think he remembered this:

The WCS Administration team is also aware of other reported infractions of our Behavior rule (16.B in the WCS Player Handbook) on various social media and other public locations by players competing in the World Championship Series. Warnings will continue to be issued when players are in violation of the Code of Conduct, and further action may be taken after additional review. We take all reports of misconduct very seriously and will investigate all matters to maintain the ongoing confidence of our competitors and viewers.


http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/wcs-europe-disciplinary-action-jan-13-2015

So it was smart to delete that tweet. Pretty sure he would've gotten a warning at least. Blizzard is monitoring the twitter game.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
PepsiMaxxxx
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden5452 Posts
January 18 2015 13:06 GMT
#286
On January 18 2015 21:59 onlyRox wrote:
well written article!
there is a spelling mistake in the sentence next to the last.


No there's not.


SinO[Ob]
Profile Joined October 2010
France897 Posts
January 18 2015 13:06 GMT
#287
On January 18 2015 21:56 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 21:52 Liquid`TLO wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:50 Penev wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:45 Flopgun wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]



From WCS Player Handbook:

Player Rules and Responsibilities
16.0
Player Code of Conduct

B.
Behavior – Players are required to behave in a sportsmanlike manner towards other competitors, members of the administration team, media, and fans.

17.0 Player Code of Conduct Offenses

B.
Violations of the Code of Conduct may vary including a warning, an immediate disqualification, removal from the tournament, and/or restriction from participation in future events.


https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/5WJHXI5A98CS1394665510029.pdf


If drawing inappropriate things with scans is not ok, then this can not be acceptable.

Meh, that's so last years handbook. Now everything goes!


THERE'S NO RULES! I declare myself winner of WCS 2015 season 1! WOOOH


C'mon! Let's keep it a little realistic at least...


Daaamn xD! That's harsh!
Stephano and Clem enjoyer
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
January 18 2015 13:11 GMT
#288
On January 18 2015 21:55 TargA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 21:52 Liquid`TLO wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:50 Penev wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:45 Flopgun wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]



From WCS Player Handbook:

Player Rules and Responsibilities
16.0
Player Code of Conduct

B.
Behavior – Players are required to behave in a sportsmanlike manner towards other competitors, members of the administration team, media, and fans.

17.0 Player Code of Conduct Offenses

B.
Violations of the Code of Conduct may vary including a warning, an immediate disqualification, removal from the tournament, and/or restriction from participation in future events.


https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/5WJHXI5A98CS1394665510029.pdf


If drawing inappropriate things with scans is not ok, then this can not be acceptable.

Meh, that's so last years handbook. Now everything goes!


THERE'S NO RULES! I declare myself winner of WCS 2015 season 1! WOOOH


I also declare myself the winner of wcs 2015 season 1, we'll have to fight to the death for the title!



Death by tray it shall be!
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
DeadByDawn
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom476 Posts
January 18 2015 13:24 GMT
#289
Sports has plenty of bad boys - they bring drama into the game. Here I am thinking of the likes of Jose Mourinho, not that piece of human effluence Michael Vicks.

Great to see Naniwa back in the game - loved his skill and the excitement/controversy he brought into the game. He was, and probably still is, the only Protoss I will ever support against a Terran player.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
January 18 2015 13:25 GMT
#290
I don't like this 'hate campaign' versus naniwa from Kane and others. Reminds me of the incontrol and idra high fiving moment vs destiny. Easy to pick on someone with a group. It's just silly.

I mean Naniwa has no filter, so he's brutally honest which makes him very rude and people think he's an asshole for it, which is totally fine of course. But gathering together as a group versus 1 person is way worse than being an asshole, it means you can't distance yourself from it which means you are no better a person. What is wrong with just accepting you don't like someone. You don't have to get along with every other progamer. Why do you need to gather together and try to demoralize him... Sad group mentality.

I was never a fan of Naniwa but seeing the reactions to his return makes me want cheer for him lol.
Neosteel Enthusiast
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
January 18 2015 13:26 GMT
#291
On January 18 2015 22:06 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 21:59 onlyRox wrote:
well written article!
there is a spelling mistake in the sentence next to the last.


No there's not.




raging at Tefel as the worth player on earht


dunno about that
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 18 2015 13:28 GMT
#292
On January 18 2015 22:26 Noonius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 22:06 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:59 onlyRox wrote:
well written article!
there is a spelling mistake in the sentence next to the last.


No there's not.




Show nested quote +
raging at Tefel as the worth player on earht


dunno about that


its a quote
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Ovid
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United Kingdom948 Posts
January 18 2015 13:28 GMT
#293
On January 18 2015 21:52 Liquid`TLO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 21:50 Penev wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:45 Flopgun wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]



From WCS Player Handbook:

Player Rules and Responsibilities
16.0
Player Code of Conduct

B.
Behavior – Players are required to behave in a sportsmanlike manner towards other competitors, members of the administration team, media, and fans.

17.0 Player Code of Conduct Offenses

B.
Violations of the Code of Conduct may vary including a warning, an immediate disqualification, removal from the tournament, and/or restriction from participation in future events.


https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/5WJHXI5A98CS1394665510029.pdf


If drawing inappropriate things with scans is not ok, then this can not be acceptable.

Meh, that's so last years handbook. Now everything goes!


THERE'S NO RULES! I declare myself winner of WCS 2015 season 1! WOOOH


Sure when LotV comes out and you can crazy strat people! Ala SH drops at the start of Hots.
I will make Yogg Saron priest work...
PepsiMaxxxx
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden5452 Posts
January 18 2015 13:28 GMT
#294
On January 18 2015 22:26 Noonius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 22:06 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:59 onlyRox wrote:
well written article!
there is a spelling mistake in the sentence next to the last.


No there's not.




Show nested quote +
raging at Tefel as the worth player on earht


dunno about that

Damn casuals!
http://i.imgur.com/WkP1Dz2.jpg
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 18 2015 13:30 GMT
#295
On January 18 2015 22:28 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 22:26 Noonius wrote:
On January 18 2015 22:06 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:59 onlyRox wrote:
well written article!
there is a spelling mistake in the sentence next to the last.


No there's not.




raging at Tefel as the worth player on earht


dunno about that

Damn casuals!
http://i.imgur.com/WkP1Dz2.jpg

It's "worst" on that pic though, not "worth"
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
PepsiMaxxxx
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden5452 Posts
January 18 2015 13:31 GMT
#296
Oh man, do I feel silly now. ^^
messioso
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark635 Posts
January 18 2015 13:31 GMT
#297
On January 18 2015 21:12 pms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 20:55 Alex007 wrote:
Why the hell are TL authors not even checking what they are writing? It was figured out like 100 times that Russian stream HAD a 3-min delay (which was less than 5-min on other streams, but still it was clear, that nobody could listern to a stream, it's a bullshit), so you're just lying in the article. Great job!


The Russian stream was breaking the rules by considerable margin of 2 minutes and that's what matters. In fact, they should be punished in some way for that.

WCS Player Handbook, pg. 32:
+ Show Spoiler +
Guidelines for non-official World Championship Series Shoutcasters and Streams
The shoutcaster must receive permission from both players to broadcast if the game is being broadcast on a non-official World Championship Series Qualifier stream;
The stream must be broadcast on a 5 minute delay;


All the other streams had 3 minutes. The Russian stream had 0 delay beyond standard Twitch delay. If they didn't, I wouldn't have removed them.
Former ESL League Operations. I ran IEM/WCS for like 3 years or something. I did map vetos on a tablet. That guy.
TsogiMaster
Profile Joined October 2014
191 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 13:34:20
January 18 2015 13:33 GMT
#298
Gaming is love. Gaming is life.
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
January 18 2015 13:38 GMT
#299
On January 18 2015 22:31 messioso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 21:12 pms wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:55 Alex007 wrote:
Why the hell are TL authors not even checking what they are writing? It was figured out like 100 times that Russian stream HAD a 3-min delay (which was less than 5-min on other streams, but still it was clear, that nobody could listern to a stream, it's a bullshit), so you're just lying in the article. Great job!


The Russian stream was breaking the rules by considerable margin of 2 minutes and that's what matters. In fact, they should be punished in some way for that.

WCS Player Handbook, pg. 32:
+ Show Spoiler +
Guidelines for non-official World Championship Series Shoutcasters and Streams
The shoutcaster must receive permission from both players to broadcast if the game is being broadcast on a non-official World Championship Series Qualifier stream;
The stream must be broadcast on a 5 minute delay;


All the other streams had 3 minutes. The Russian stream had 0 delay beyond standard Twitch delay. If they didn't, I wouldn't have removed them.


Thanks. I was wondering if this apparently pro-Russian fan from Ukraine was presenting the facts correctly or not, so thanks for clarifications. Btw. by standard Twitch delay you mean a few seconds? Anyway, the conclusions are the same.
shin ken
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Germany612 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 13:43:44
January 18 2015 13:39 GMT
#300
Can someone please do one of those crazy hype trailers for the NaNiwa vs. Nerchio match? With all the drama etc.? Just as the icing on the cake? That's like the most hype match since the WCS finals.

THE BATTLE OF THE FALLEN KINGS!
messioso
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark635 Posts
January 18 2015 13:40 GMT
#301
On January 18 2015 22:38 pms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 22:31 messioso wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:12 pms wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:55 Alex007 wrote:
Why the hell are TL authors not even checking what they are writing? It was figured out like 100 times that Russian stream HAD a 3-min delay (which was less than 5-min on other streams, but still it was clear, that nobody could listern to a stream, it's a bullshit), so you're just lying in the article. Great job!


The Russian stream was breaking the rules by considerable margin of 2 minutes and that's what matters. In fact, they should be punished in some way for that.

WCS Player Handbook, pg. 32:
+ Show Spoiler +
Guidelines for non-official World Championship Series Shoutcasters and Streams
The shoutcaster must receive permission from both players to broadcast if the game is being broadcast on a non-official World Championship Series Qualifier stream;
The stream must be broadcast on a 5 minute delay;


All the other streams had 3 minutes. The Russian stream had 0 delay beyond standard Twitch delay. If they didn't, I wouldn't have removed them.


Thanks. I was wondering if this apparently pro-Russian fan from Ukraine was presenting the facts correctly or not, so thanks for clarifications. Btw. by standard Twitch delay you mean a few seconds? Anyway, the conclusions are the same.


I find it can range from anything to 10-50 seconds usually.
Former ESL League Operations. I ran IEM/WCS for like 3 years or something. I did map vetos on a tablet. That guy.
SorrowShine
Profile Joined October 2011
698 Posts
January 18 2015 13:41 GMT
#302
oooh. Naniwa. Didnt miss him at all. He is a garbage person and thats it. U have to accept it.
He cannot control himself. He is not 5 years old.
And I disagree with Stichu. If Naniwa was more stable and could control himself he could have reached in Sc2 much more.
I dont wanna overlook his character because of his SC2 achievments.
The best thing we could is just ignore him.
RIP
StatixEx
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United Kingdom779 Posts
January 18 2015 13:42 GMT
#303
but what if naniwa and idra team up

sc2=alyveGaeM?
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 13:43 GMT
#304
On January 18 2015 22:31 messioso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 21:12 pms wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:55 Alex007 wrote:
Why the hell are TL authors not even checking what they are writing? It was figured out like 100 times that Russian stream HAD a 3-min delay (which was less than 5-min on other streams, but still it was clear, that nobody could listern to a stream, it's a bullshit), so you're just lying in the article. Great job!


The Russian stream was breaking the rules by considerable margin of 2 minutes and that's what matters. In fact, they should be punished in some way for that.

WCS Player Handbook, pg. 32:
+ Show Spoiler +
Guidelines for non-official World Championship Series Shoutcasters and Streams
The shoutcaster must receive permission from both players to broadcast if the game is being broadcast on a non-official World Championship Series Qualifier stream;
The stream must be broadcast on a 5 minute delay;


All the other streams had 3 minutes. The Russian stream had 0 delay beyond standard Twitch delay. If they didn't, I wouldn't have removed them.

Ah, finally cleared up. Expect your post to be quoted a million times in a million threads :D
I Protoss winner, could it be?
messioso
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark635 Posts
January 18 2015 13:44 GMT
#305
On January 18 2015 22:43 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 22:31 messioso wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:12 pms wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:55 Alex007 wrote:
Why the hell are TL authors not even checking what they are writing? It was figured out like 100 times that Russian stream HAD a 3-min delay (which was less than 5-min on other streams, but still it was clear, that nobody could listern to a stream, it's a bullshit), so you're just lying in the article. Great job!


The Russian stream was breaking the rules by considerable margin of 2 minutes and that's what matters. In fact, they should be punished in some way for that.

WCS Player Handbook, pg. 32:
+ Show Spoiler +
Guidelines for non-official World Championship Series Shoutcasters and Streams
The shoutcaster must receive permission from both players to broadcast if the game is being broadcast on a non-official World Championship Series Qualifier stream;
The stream must be broadcast on a 5 minute delay;


All the other streams had 3 minutes. The Russian stream had 0 delay beyond standard Twitch delay. If they didn't, I wouldn't have removed them.

Ah, finally cleared up. Expect your post to be quoted a million times in a million threads :D


I cleared it up multiple times the very same evening already, surprised it's still being discussed
Former ESL League Operations. I ran IEM/WCS for like 3 years or something. I did map vetos on a tablet. That guy.
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
January 18 2015 13:45 GMT
#306
On January 18 2015 22:44 messioso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 22:43 Penev wrote:
On January 18 2015 22:31 messioso wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:12 pms wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:55 Alex007 wrote:
Why the hell are TL authors not even checking what they are writing? It was figured out like 100 times that Russian stream HAD a 3-min delay (which was less than 5-min on other streams, but still it was clear, that nobody could listern to a stream, it's a bullshit), so you're just lying in the article. Great job!


The Russian stream was breaking the rules by considerable margin of 2 minutes and that's what matters. In fact, they should be punished in some way for that.

WCS Player Handbook, pg. 32:
+ Show Spoiler +
Guidelines for non-official World Championship Series Shoutcasters and Streams
The shoutcaster must receive permission from both players to broadcast if the game is being broadcast on a non-official World Championship Series Qualifier stream;
The stream must be broadcast on a 5 minute delay;


All the other streams had 3 minutes. The Russian stream had 0 delay beyond standard Twitch delay. If they didn't, I wouldn't have removed them.

Ah, finally cleared up. Expect your post to be quoted a million times in a million threads :D


I cleared it up multiple times the very same evening already, surprised it's still being discussed


This is because other people spread false rumors.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 13:46 GMT
#307
On January 18 2015 22:44 messioso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 22:43 Penev wrote:
On January 18 2015 22:31 messioso wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:12 pms wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:55 Alex007 wrote:
Why the hell are TL authors not even checking what they are writing? It was figured out like 100 times that Russian stream HAD a 3-min delay (which was less than 5-min on other streams, but still it was clear, that nobody could listern to a stream, it's a bullshit), so you're just lying in the article. Great job!


The Russian stream was breaking the rules by considerable margin of 2 minutes and that's what matters. In fact, they should be punished in some way for that.

WCS Player Handbook, pg. 32:
+ Show Spoiler +
Guidelines for non-official World Championship Series Shoutcasters and Streams
The shoutcaster must receive permission from both players to broadcast if the game is being broadcast on a non-official World Championship Series Qualifier stream;
The stream must be broadcast on a 5 minute delay;


All the other streams had 3 minutes. The Russian stream had 0 delay beyond standard Twitch delay. If they didn't, I wouldn't have removed them.

Ah, finally cleared up. Expect your post to be quoted a million times in a million threads :D


I cleared it up multiple times the very same evening already, surprised it's still being discussed

Well, I'll help you with that from now on then.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
nukkuj
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Finland403 Posts
January 18 2015 13:49 GMT
#308
It can't be denied that he will bring some viewers back. Others want to see him win, other want to see him lose.

He's a dirty protoss and a toxic attitude player so I consider myself as anti-fan. Ragequit vs. Polt to "retirement" and losing to Thorzain in TSL3 finals put smile on my face. Anyway, WCS is going to be entertaining this year!
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 18 2015 14:01 GMT
#309
On January 18 2015 22:31 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
Oh man, do I feel silly now. ^^


It's intentional :p
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8479 Posts
January 18 2015 14:05 GMT
#310
stuchiu dropping the 10 pool for a proxy gate confirmed.


good read and opinion piece
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 14:10:58
January 18 2015 14:06 GMT
#311
On January 18 2015 20:24 BaneRiders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed.


Nani is posting in here, and he is not permed. So he must be behaving a lot better here than the average community I suppose?

There are no mods on twitter. Read what I said, if he'd put only 10% of his attitude in TL posts he'd be fucking permed.

You know if you have a irrelevant guy that acts dumb, noone cares or hates (see Lillekannin). But Nani a) is a ridiculously good player and b) knows exactly what his attitude does for him and the game. I hate on him so hard because he's doing this shit all the time over and over again - on fucking purpose. If he was just another douche where you could say "well that guy is pretty dumb no need to rage or care", but he's an intelligent guy. He is sharp about the game and about who to bash in what situation, and in contrary to (e.g.) Idra, he's not at all depending on his mindset when going into series.

Naniwa is a guy that uses the fact that there is no mechanic in esports to punish his behaviour in a smart way to keep the attention sticking to him. That is all. That wouldn't be possible if he'd be a good player, but there's a difference between beating the majority of a meh foreign scene and being totally irrelevant in Korea. Nani would be totally irrelevant in Korea now, even with half a year of training down there.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
January 18 2015 14:15 GMT
#312
On January 18 2015 22:28 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 22:26 Noonius wrote:
On January 18 2015 22:06 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:59 onlyRox wrote:
well written article!
there is a spelling mistake in the sentence next to the last.


No there's not.




raging at Tefel as the worth player on earht


dunno about that

Damn casuals!
http://i.imgur.com/WkP1Dz2.jpg


you calling me a casual? SHOW ME THE WORD "WORTH" on that screenshot and I'll confess to being a casual
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 18 2015 14:17 GMT
#313
On January 18 2015 23:06 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 20:24 BaneRiders wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed.


Nani is posting in here, and he is not permed. So he must be behaving a lot better here than the average community I suppose?

There are no mods on twitter. Read what I said, if he'd put only 10% of his attitude in TL posts he'd be fucking permed.

You know if you have a irrelevant guy that acts dumb, noone cares or hates (see Lillekannin). But Nani a) is a ridiculously good player and b) knows exactly what his attitude does for him and the game. I hate on him so hard because he's doing this shit all the time over and over again - on fucking purpose. If he was just another douche where you could say "well that guy is pretty dumb no need to rage or care", but he's an intelligent guy. He is sharp about the game and about who to bash in what situation, and in contrary to (e.g.) Idra, he's not at all depending on his mindset when going into series.

Naniwa is a guy that uses the fact that there is no mechanic in esports to punish his behaviour in a smart way to keep the attention sticking to him. That is all. That wouldn't be possible if he'd be a good player, but there's a difference between beating the majority of a meh foreign scene and being totally irrelevant in Korea. Nani would be totally irrelevant in Korea now, even with half a year of training down there.

I see Naniwa the same as you do. He is very intelligent and knows what he's doing when he rages/flames/etc.
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rehnen
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden10 Posts
January 18 2015 14:17 GMT
#314
On January 18 2015 13:52 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


Let's hope. Just one week until Nerchio gives him a lesson in Swarm Host and we'll see how he handles that.


You do know that if you had said that about any other player you would have been banned or at the very least warned. Naniwa bring controversy and is one of very, very few interesting people to watch in Sc2. The scene has been stale for a long ass time and we need some colorful characters.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
January 18 2015 14:19 GMT
#315
On January 18 2015 23:01 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 22:31 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:
Oh man, do I feel silly now. ^^


It's intentional :p


damn ol' boys club. Protecting the shield
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7103 Posts
January 18 2015 14:21 GMT
#316
On January 18 2015 23:17 rehnen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 13:52 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


Let's hope. Just one week until Nerchio gives him a lesson in Swarm Host and we'll see how he handles that.


You do know that if you had said that about any other player you would have been banned or at the very least warned. Naniwa bring controversy and is one of very, very few interesting people to watch in Sc2. The scene has been stale for a long ass time and we need some colorful characters.

The scene doesnt need a rager of his caliber. He is an absolutely terrible person, who blames pretty much everything else than himself for losses. There is a reason why so many people dislike him greatly.
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.ilsegugio.
Profile Joined December 2014
13 Posts
January 18 2015 14:26 GMT
#317
Nerchio giving lessons to NaNiwa was my favourite :D
"cheese and you'll be forgiven, forgive and you'll be cheesed."
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 14:29 GMT
#318
On January 18 2015 23:17 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 23:06 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:24 BaneRiders wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed.


Nani is posting in here, and he is not permed. So he must be behaving a lot better here than the average community I suppose?

There are no mods on twitter. Read what I said, if he'd put only 10% of his attitude in TL posts he'd be fucking permed.

You know if you have a irrelevant guy that acts dumb, noone cares or hates (see Lillekannin). But Nani a) is a ridiculously good player and b) knows exactly what his attitude does for him and the game. I hate on him so hard because he's doing this shit all the time over and over again - on fucking purpose. If he was just another douche where you could say "well that guy is pretty dumb no need to rage or care", but he's an intelligent guy. He is sharp about the game and about who to bash in what situation, and in contrary to (e.g.) Idra, he's not at all depending on his mindset when going into series.

Naniwa is a guy that uses the fact that there is no mechanic in esports to punish his behaviour in a smart way to keep the attention sticking to him. That is all. That wouldn't be possible if he'd be a good player, but there's a difference between beating the majority of a meh foreign scene and being totally irrelevant in Korea. Nani would be totally irrelevant in Korea now, even with half a year of training down there.

I see Naniwa the same as you do. He is very intelligent and knows what he's doing when he rages/flames/etc.

Hmm, I think you're both a bit paranoid about this. NaNiwa is an ass for sure but to think he created all the drama he has in his career on purpose? No way. He is now a little bit of course.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
January 18 2015 14:29 GMT
#319
Naniwa is the best thing that can happen to sc2 right now.

AT first i didn't like the guy but in the end i realized that's he's the true god.
RIP MKP
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 18 2015 14:31 GMT
#320
On January 18 2015 18:53 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 18:51 Legio wrote:
On January 18 2015 18:46 Nerchio wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:59 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 18 2015 16:57 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Nerchio

respectful, professional, non-drama mongering pro gamers


lol

You missed the "or" part. Though Nerchio never accused ESL's PCs or soundproofing for his losses afaik.

Meh, I think that most of what I did and why a lot of people don't like me was really blown up out of proportion. It's true that I was always balance whining but it's my opinion about the game. Sure there was some soft insults from time to time which were probably quite unnecessary but that weren't the end of the world either. Being on the other side of insults or whines from other players I actually have more fun instead of being butthurt, thinking to myself "Did you really say that?".
I think you guys(or progamers) are really too sensitive from time to time, especially those that do the same behing curtains.

Out of curiosity, would you ever try to get an opponent disqualified from a tournament if he BM'ed you?

Of course not, considering what I did in the past that would be hypocrisy. And as I said in my post, I don't really take any insult towards me too personal inside the game and I think nobody really should unless it's something really bad.


firecake bad :D ?
Zest fanboy.
tar
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 14:38:14
January 18 2015 14:37 GMT
#321
On January 18 2015 23:06 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 20:24 BaneRiders wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed.


Nani is posting in here, and he is not permed. So he must be behaving a lot better here than the average community I suppose?

There are no mods on twitter. Read what I said, if he'd put only 10% of his attitude in TL posts he'd be fucking permed.

You know if you have a irrelevant guy that acts dumb, noone cares or hates (see Lillekannin). But Nani a) is a ridiculously good player and b) knows exactly what his attitude does for him and the game. I hate on him so hard because he's doing this shit all the time over and over again - on fucking purpose. If he was just another douche where you could say "well that guy is pretty dumb no need to rage or care", but he's an intelligent guy. He is sharp about the game and about who to bash in what situation, and in contrary to (e.g.) Idra, he's not at all depending on his mindset when going into series.

Naniwa is a guy that uses the fact that there is no mechanic in esports to punish his behaviour in a smart way to keep the attention sticking to him. That is all. That wouldn't be possible if he'd be a good player, but there's a difference between beating the majority of a meh foreign scene and being totally irrelevant in Korea. Nani would be totally irrelevant in Korea now, even with half a year of training down there.


would you mind to clarify what the highlighted (by me) part is supposed to mean?
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33327 Posts
January 18 2015 14:38 GMT
#322
good work stuchiu, keeping SC2 alive
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 14:42:21
January 18 2015 14:41 GMT
#323
On January 18 2015 23:37 tar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 23:06 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:24 BaneRiders wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed.


Nani is posting in here, and he is not permed. So he must be behaving a lot better here than the average community I suppose?

There are no mods on twitter. Read what I said, if he'd put only 10% of his attitude in TL posts he'd be fucking permed.

You know if you have a irrelevant guy that acts dumb, noone cares or hates (see Lillekannin). But Nani a) is a ridiculously good player and b) knows exactly what his attitude does for him and the game. I hate on him so hard because he's doing this shit all the time over and over again - on fucking purpose. If he was just another douche where you could say "well that guy is pretty dumb no need to rage or care", but he's an intelligent guy. He is sharp about the game and about who to bash in what situation, and in contrary to (e.g.) Idra, he's not at all depending on his mindset when going into series.

Naniwa is a guy that uses the fact that there is no mechanic in esports to punish his behaviour in a smart way to keep the attention sticking to him. That is all. That wouldn't be possible if he'd be a good player, but there's a difference between beating the majority of a meh foreign scene and being totally irrelevant in Korea. Nani would be totally irrelevant in Korea now, even with half a year of training down there.


would you mind to clarify what the highlighted (by me) part is supposed to mean?

If Naniwa wasn't a good player, noone would care for his intentional insults and bm.

The thing is though that he is only a good player in terms of "foreigners". Being able to beat the majority of a rather weak foreign scene does not make you a sick player.

If he would be a korean-based player, he wouldn't make Code S at all, not even with a decent training time of like half a year. I'm pretty sure of that.

He'd be totally irrelevant in Korea, except for his twitter drama. That's it.
rehnen
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden10 Posts
January 18 2015 14:43 GMT
#324
On January 18 2015 23:21 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 23:17 rehnen wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:52 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


Let's hope. Just one week until Nerchio gives him a lesson in Swarm Host and we'll see how he handles that.


You do know that if you had said that about any other player you would have been banned or at the very least warned. Naniwa bring controversy and is one of very, very few interesting people to watch in Sc2. The scene has been stale for a long ass time and we need some colorful characters.

The scene doesnt need a rager of his caliber. He is an absolutely terrible person, who blames pretty much everything else than himself for losses. There is a reason why so many people dislike him greatly.

And yet nerchio is some kind of hero for people. Idra was also the same. The scene had a way larger amount of viewers when the "ragers" were active. I would argue that the scene needs controversy. The community always drum the controversial people out of the scene and then they sit and wonder why the scene seems so boring all of the sudden.
KtJ
Profile Joined October 2014
United States3514 Posts
January 18 2015 14:46 GMT
#325
Amazing read Stuchiu!
"I thought I destroyed my CC but it seemed like the only thing I destroyed was Idra's mentality."
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 14:54:42
January 18 2015 14:48 GMT
#326
I am obviously as biased as everyone else here, but I think people are mostly overreacting.

But he can obviously say some harsh things sometimes. Does he deserve to get crucified for it tho? I don't think so.

Obviously I am also very happy to have him back. And by the looks of it, thehype and excitement is over 9000 already!
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
January 18 2015 14:51 GMT
#327
Nani's response was severe but if we care about the level of severity then we're basically rewarding Kane for knowing what intensity of trash talk he's able to get away with. I think mean-spirited is mean-spirited and there's no honest and good argument for drawing the line somewhere specific. You can cut really deep with a very basic insult if you know it hits a sore spot of your victim. For all we know, Nani was hurt 10x more by Kane's comment than Kane was by Nani's. Either you're allowed to try to hurt other people with your words or you're not. How good you are at it and how well you can keep your comments "socially acceptable" are irrelevant. I feel like we're all playing some game by reaching a consensus that a certain comment is off limits.

We may as well cut the bullshit and start brainstorming some exchanges between players that'll get the most viewers. We want to maximize drama without driving people away with offensiveness and immaturity, while also not emphasizing these external storylines so much that we alienate the viewers who just want to focus on the games. I'm not a great writer so anyone else want to throw some stuff out there so we can get a rough draft to Blizzard before season one gets rolling?
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
tar
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 14:56:42
January 18 2015 14:55 GMT
#328
On January 18 2015 23:41 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 23:37 tar wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:06 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:24 BaneRiders wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed.


Nani is posting in here, and he is not permed. So he must be behaving a lot better here than the average community I suppose?

There are no mods on twitter. Read what I said, if he'd put only 10% of his attitude in TL posts he'd be fucking permed.

You know if you have a irrelevant guy that acts dumb, noone cares or hates (see Lillekannin). But Nani a) is a ridiculously good player and b) knows exactly what his attitude does for him and the game. I hate on him so hard because he's doing this shit all the time over and over again - on fucking purpose. If he was just another douche where you could say "well that guy is pretty dumb no need to rage or care", but he's an intelligent guy. He is sharp about the game and about who to bash in what situation, and in contrary to (e.g.) Idra, he's not at all depending on his mindset when going into series.

Naniwa is a guy that uses the fact that there is no mechanic in esports to punish his behaviour in a smart way to keep the attention sticking to him. That is all. That wouldn't be possible if he'd be a good player, but there's a difference between beating the majority of a meh foreign scene and being totally irrelevant in Korea. Nani would be totally irrelevant in Korea now, even with half a year of training down there.


would you mind to clarify what the highlighted (by me) part is supposed to mean?

If Naniwa wasn't a good player, noone would care for his intentional insults and bm.

The thing is though that he is only a good player in terms of "foreigners". Being able to beat the majority of a rather weak foreign scene does not make you a sick player.

If he would be a korean-based player, he wouldn't make Code S at all, not even with a decent training time of like half a year. I'm pretty sure of that.

He'd be totally irrelevant in Korea, except for his twitter drama. That's it.


Thanks, I had been confused by your wording then. All clear now.

Imho, Nani has the talent and the focus to be relevant in Korea - given he'd be training in a korean teamhouse. Don't know if Nani would get along with their strict in-house regimes though...

Anyways, we have seen more than once that talented foreigners can keep up with Koreans given the right training and mentality (think Scarlett, Stephano, etc) and Naniwa certainly is amongst the most talented foreigners, which he has demonstrated yet again by plowing through the competition after his break.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13972 Posts
January 18 2015 14:57 GMT
#329
On January 18 2015 13:52 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


Let's hope. Just one week until Nerchio gives him a lesson in Swarm Host and we'll see how he handles that.

Fuck this bullshit long live King Nani
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Negius
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands290 Posts
January 18 2015 14:59 GMT
#330
I don't care what everyone says about NaNiwa, but you can't take away the fact that he brings more viewers, more drama, more hype and everything else that SC2 needs in my opinion to be more succesfull again.

I don't like him as a person, but I admire his talent and bravery to do whatever it takes to get the win and succeed.

Please never retire again, NaNiwa. And if you do, come back just like this. I will never forget your two amazing Code S runs. Make that three sometime soon!
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pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
January 18 2015 15:00 GMT
#331
On January 18 2015 19:03 pichoo wrote:
Regardless I'd say Naniwa is the most successful foreigner against Korean, especially when the scene has been very saturated with Koreans. He's the only one who's able to stand toe to toe with many Koreans even as Kespa players entered the scene, beating Dear (during his peak), Innovation, Hyun, Jaedong, San, Duckduck, and also reaching multiple finals against Leenock and life.

Most foreigners can only dream what he has achieved. IMO he did better than Stephano in this regard.

Sorry, you heard it from TL's master of simple, often incomplete sentences, stuchiu: Naniwa == Vortix. History rewritten.
Naikonz
Profile Joined October 2014
Romania65 Posts
January 18 2015 15:02 GMT
#332
NaNiwa came from retirement to qualify to WCS in the first qualifier in which he participated. From retirement! Can't wait to see him play ForGG in the finals. He is the best foreigner of all time. And everyone just hates him because sometimes he calles it like it is. Big news everyone: the truth sometimes hurts! Really glad NaNiwa is back. Huge plus for the foreign scene! GoGo NaNiwa!
MidnightZL
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden203 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 15:06:23
January 18 2015 15:03 GMT
#333
Omg i love this, the drama around and everything, it is just as important than the game itself imo. I stopped watching and playing sc2, not only because of Naniwa but mostly, it has been so fucking boring scene after that, we need more persons like this. That being said i dont agree with everything he does, says or thinks, for an example, i was mad as hell when he forfeited at katowice, and then he said he had played lol in the hotelroom and not practicing anything at what he should have, that made me pissed and i said to hell with Naniwa, but well i guess it's forgotten now and we have to move on. Seing him coming back made up for it, more than enough.
- I'm fairly certain YOLO is just Carpe Diem for stupid people - Jack Black
KrOmander
Profile Joined August 2014
United Kingdom78 Posts
January 18 2015 15:03 GMT
#334
Oh nice. Nani got skillz man. Love the way he gets so many people salty also haha.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 18 2015 15:06 GMT
#335
On January 18 2015 23:55 tar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 23:41 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:37 tar wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:06 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:24 BaneRiders wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed.


Nani is posting in here, and he is not permed. So he must be behaving a lot better here than the average community I suppose?

There are no mods on twitter. Read what I said, if he'd put only 10% of his attitude in TL posts he'd be fucking permed.

You know if you have a irrelevant guy that acts dumb, noone cares or hates (see Lillekannin). But Nani a) is a ridiculously good player and b) knows exactly what his attitude does for him and the game. I hate on him so hard because he's doing this shit all the time over and over again - on fucking purpose. If he was just another douche where you could say "well that guy is pretty dumb no need to rage or care", but he's an intelligent guy. He is sharp about the game and about who to bash in what situation, and in contrary to (e.g.) Idra, he's not at all depending on his mindset when going into series.

Naniwa is a guy that uses the fact that there is no mechanic in esports to punish his behaviour in a smart way to keep the attention sticking to him. That is all. That wouldn't be possible if he'd be a good player, but there's a difference between beating the majority of a meh foreign scene and being totally irrelevant in Korea. Nani would be totally irrelevant in Korea now, even with half a year of training down there.


would you mind to clarify what the highlighted (by me) part is supposed to mean?

If Naniwa wasn't a good player, noone would care for his intentional insults and bm.

The thing is though that he is only a good player in terms of "foreigners". Being able to beat the majority of a rather weak foreign scene does not make you a sick player.

If he would be a korean-based player, he wouldn't make Code S at all, not even with a decent training time of like half a year. I'm pretty sure of that.

He'd be totally irrelevant in Korea, except for his twitter drama. That's it.


[...]

Anyways, we have seen more than once that talented foreigners can keep up with Koreans given the right training and mentality (think Scarlett, Stephano, etc) and Naniwa certainly is amongst the most talented foreigners, which he has demonstrated yet again by plowing through the competition after his break.

I think our opinions differ a lot here. IMO, the "best foreigner" is at the level of skill of a "mediocre to decent Korean".
There was never a point where a top foreigner could compete with a top korean.
Naniwa came close to competing by two ro8 exits. He's since then relying on that - and keeping up his trash talk to stay relevant.
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 15:08:05
January 18 2015 15:07 GMT
#336
We need a NaNicam during the entire season of WCS; always showing us what he's up to while other matches are going on. Preferably, Stuichu could be sitting in the ESL studio, researching the NaNiwebs for NaNi stuff live.

If Zlatan gets one on Swedish Tv, NaNiwa should have one on ESL.
Cogito, ergo toss.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 18 2015 15:07 GMT
#337
On January 19 2015 00:02 Naikonz wrote:
NaNiwa came from retirement to qualify to WCS in the first qualifier in which he participated. From retirement! Can't wait to see him play ForGG in the finals. He is the best foreigner of all time. And everyone just hates him because sometimes he calles it like it is. Big news everyone: the truth sometimes hurts! Really glad NaNiwa is back. Huge plus for the foreign scene! GoGo NaNiwa!

That's like the best "bait boxerfred into tempban" post I've ever seen. Congrats on that.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 15:08 GMT
#338
On January 19 2015 00:07 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:02 Naikonz wrote:
NaNiwa came from retirement to qualify to WCS in the first qualifier in which he participated. From retirement! Can't wait to see him play ForGG in the finals. He is the best foreigner of all time. And everyone just hates him because sometimes he calles it like it is. Big news everyone: the truth sometimes hurts! Really glad NaNiwa is back. Huge plus for the foreign scene! GoGo NaNiwa!

That's like the best "bait boxerfred into tempban" post I've ever seen. Congrats on that.

Meh, it didn't succeed..
I Protoss winner, could it be?
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 15:09 GMT
#339
On January 19 2015 00:08 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:07 boxerfred wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:02 Naikonz wrote:
NaNiwa came from retirement to qualify to WCS in the first qualifier in which he participated. From retirement! Can't wait to see him play ForGG in the finals. He is the best foreigner of all time. And everyone just hates him because sometimes he calles it like it is. Big news everyone: the truth sometimes hurts! Really glad NaNiwa is back. Huge plus for the foreign scene! GoGo NaNiwa!

That's like the best "bait boxerfred into tempban" post I've ever seen. Congrats on that.

Meh, it didn't succeed..


That guy's bait was good, but it wasn't NaNiwa-good.
Cogito, ergo toss.
KrOmander
Profile Joined August 2014
United Kingdom78 Posts
January 18 2015 15:11 GMT
#340
On January 19 2015 00:06 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 23:55 tar wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:41 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:37 tar wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:06 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:24 BaneRiders wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed.


Nani is posting in here, and he is not permed. So he must be behaving a lot better here than the average community I suppose?

There are no mods on twitter. Read what I said, if he'd put only 10% of his attitude in TL posts he'd be fucking permed.

You know if you have a irrelevant guy that acts dumb, noone cares or hates (see Lillekannin). But Nani a) is a ridiculously good player and b) knows exactly what his attitude does for him and the game. I hate on him so hard because he's doing this shit all the time over and over again - on fucking purpose. If he was just another douche where you could say "well that guy is pretty dumb no need to rage or care", but he's an intelligent guy. He is sharp about the game and about who to bash in what situation, and in contrary to (e.g.) Idra, he's not at all depending on his mindset when going into series.

Naniwa is a guy that uses the fact that there is no mechanic in esports to punish his behaviour in a smart way to keep the attention sticking to him. That is all. That wouldn't be possible if he'd be a good player, but there's a difference between beating the majority of a meh foreign scene and being totally irrelevant in Korea. Nani would be totally irrelevant in Korea now, even with half a year of training down there.


would you mind to clarify what the highlighted (by me) part is supposed to mean?

If Naniwa wasn't a good player, noone would care for his intentional insults and bm.

The thing is though that he is only a good player in terms of "foreigners". Being able to beat the majority of a rather weak foreign scene does not make you a sick player.

If he would be a korean-based player, he wouldn't make Code S at all, not even with a decent training time of like half a year. I'm pretty sure of that.

He'd be totally irrelevant in Korea, except for his twitter drama. That's it.


[...]

Anyways, we have seen more than once that talented foreigners can keep up with Koreans given the right training and mentality (think Scarlett, Stephano, etc) and Naniwa certainly is amongst the most talented foreigners, which he has demonstrated yet again by plowing through the competition after his break.

I think our opinions differ a lot here. IMO, the "best foreigner" is at the level of skill of a "mediocre to decent Korean".
There was never a point where a top foreigner could compete with a top korean.
Naniwa came close to competing by two ro8 exits. He's since then relying on that - and keeping up his trash talk to stay relevant.


eh? Before KeSPA players joined Sc2 there was not that huge a gap between the best Koreans and best foreigners. I remember Jinro getting to ro4 in GSL and other players making ro8. Surely getting that far into competitions means you can compete with them?
MidnightZL
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden203 Posts
January 18 2015 15:11 GMT
#341
On January 19 2015 00:06 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 23:55 tar wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:41 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:37 tar wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:06 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:24 BaneRiders wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed.


Nani is posting in here, and he is not permed. So he must be behaving a lot better here than the average community I suppose?

There are no mods on twitter. Read what I said, if he'd put only 10% of his attitude in TL posts he'd be fucking permed.

You know if you have a irrelevant guy that acts dumb, noone cares or hates (see Lillekannin). But Nani a) is a ridiculously good player and b) knows exactly what his attitude does for him and the game. I hate on him so hard because he's doing this shit all the time over and over again - on fucking purpose. If he was just another douche where you could say "well that guy is pretty dumb no need to rage or care", but he's an intelligent guy. He is sharp about the game and about who to bash in what situation, and in contrary to (e.g.) Idra, he's not at all depending on his mindset when going into series.

Naniwa is a guy that uses the fact that there is no mechanic in esports to punish his behaviour in a smart way to keep the attention sticking to him. That is all. That wouldn't be possible if he'd be a good player, but there's a difference between beating the majority of a meh foreign scene and being totally irrelevant in Korea. Nani would be totally irrelevant in Korea now, even with half a year of training down there.


would you mind to clarify what the highlighted (by me) part is supposed to mean?

If Naniwa wasn't a good player, noone would care for his intentional insults and bm.

The thing is though that he is only a good player in terms of "foreigners". Being able to beat the majority of a rather weak foreign scene does not make you a sick player.

If he would be a korean-based player, he wouldn't make Code S at all, not even with a decent training time of like half a year. I'm pretty sure of that.

He'd be totally irrelevant in Korea, except for his twitter drama. That's it.


[...]

Anyways, we have seen more than once that talented foreigners can keep up with Koreans given the right training and mentality (think Scarlett, Stephano, etc) and Naniwa certainly is amongst the most talented foreigners, which he has demonstrated yet again by plowing through the competition after his break.

I think our opinions differ a lot here. IMO, the "best foreigner" is at the level of skill of a "mediocre to decent Korean".
There was never a point where a top foreigner could compete with a top korean.
Naniwa came close to competing by two ro8 exits. He's since then relying on that - and keeping up his trash talk to stay relevant.



Naniwa has been the only one that can compete with ALL koreans, yes top of the top too, he got nothing more to prove imo. Ask any korean progamer whos the best foreigner of all time, i bet 90% will say Naniwa.
- I'm fairly certain YOLO is just Carpe Diem for stupid people - Jack Black
Fishriot
Profile Joined May 2010
United States621 Posts
January 18 2015 15:12 GMT
#342
Best article NA I think. Can't wait to see how Naniwa does this season.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 15:13 GMT
#343
PLEASE STEPHANO UNRETIRE TOO AND HELP NANIWA SAVE ESPORTS!!
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Naikonz
Profile Joined October 2014
Romania65 Posts
January 18 2015 15:14 GMT
#344
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts.
Homunculus159
Profile Joined December 2014
Austria220 Posts
January 18 2015 15:15 GMT
#345
On January 19 2015 00:11 MidnightZL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:06 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:55 tar wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:41 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:37 tar wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:06 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:24 BaneRiders wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed.


Nani is posting in here, and he is not permed. So he must be behaving a lot better here than the average community I suppose?

There are no mods on twitter. Read what I said, if he'd put only 10% of his attitude in TL posts he'd be fucking permed.

You know if you have a irrelevant guy that acts dumb, noone cares or hates (see Lillekannin). But Nani a) is a ridiculously good player and b) knows exactly what his attitude does for him and the game. I hate on him so hard because he's doing this shit all the time over and over again - on fucking purpose. If he was just another douche where you could say "well that guy is pretty dumb no need to rage or care", but he's an intelligent guy. He is sharp about the game and about who to bash in what situation, and in contrary to (e.g.) Idra, he's not at all depending on his mindset when going into series.

Naniwa is a guy that uses the fact that there is no mechanic in esports to punish his behaviour in a smart way to keep the attention sticking to him. That is all. That wouldn't be possible if he'd be a good player, but there's a difference between beating the majority of a meh foreign scene and being totally irrelevant in Korea. Nani would be totally irrelevant in Korea now, even with half a year of training down there.


would you mind to clarify what the highlighted (by me) part is supposed to mean?

If Naniwa wasn't a good player, noone would care for his intentional insults and bm.

The thing is though that he is only a good player in terms of "foreigners". Being able to beat the majority of a rather weak foreign scene does not make you a sick player.

If he would be a korean-based player, he wouldn't make Code S at all, not even with a decent training time of like half a year. I'm pretty sure of that.

He'd be totally irrelevant in Korea, except for his twitter drama. That's it.


[...]

Anyways, we have seen more than once that talented foreigners can keep up with Koreans given the right training and mentality (think Scarlett, Stephano, etc) and Naniwa certainly is amongst the most talented foreigners, which he has demonstrated yet again by plowing through the competition after his break.

I think our opinions differ a lot here. IMO, the "best foreigner" is at the level of skill of a "mediocre to decent Korean".
There was never a point where a top foreigner could compete with a top korean.
Naniwa came close to competing by two ro8 exits. He's since then relying on that - and keeping up his trash talk to stay relevant.



Naniwa has been the only one that can compete with ALL koreans, yes top of the top too, he got nothing more to prove imo. Ask any korean progamer whos the best foreigner of all time, i bet 90% will say Naniwa.




Not to take any credit from Nani since he IS one of the best foreigners ever, but I doubt 90% will say Naniwa.
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 15:16 GMT
#346
On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts.


In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego....


Now THAT'S a bait!
Cogito, ergo toss.
Naikonz
Profile Joined October 2014
Romania65 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 15:18:07
January 18 2015 15:17 GMT
#347
On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts.


In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego....


Now THAT'S a bait!


Hope it works this time!

Edit: speaking of ego, people take shit so personally. why ..?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 18 2015 15:17 GMT
#348
On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts.


In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego....


Now THAT'S a bait!

Haha you guys
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 15:18 GMT
#349
On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts.


In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego....


Now THAT'S a bait!

:o

And:
Poll: Best foreigner ever:

NaNiwa (126)
 
55%

Stephano (74)
 
32%

Snute (10)
 
4%

Scarlett (8)
 
3%

Jinro (6)
 
3%

Idra (3)
 
1%

Huk (2)
 
1%

229 total votes

Your vote: Best foreigner ever:

(Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro

I Protoss winner, could it be?
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
January 18 2015 15:18 GMT
#350
On January 19 2015 00:15 Homunculus159 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:11 MidnightZL wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:06 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:55 tar wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:41 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:37 tar wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:06 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:24 BaneRiders wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed.


Nani is posting in here, and he is not permed. So he must be behaving a lot better here than the average community I suppose?

There are no mods on twitter. Read what I said, if he'd put only 10% of his attitude in TL posts he'd be fucking permed.

You know if you have a irrelevant guy that acts dumb, noone cares or hates (see Lillekannin). But Nani a) is a ridiculously good player and b) knows exactly what his attitude does for him and the game. I hate on him so hard because he's doing this shit all the time over and over again - on fucking purpose. If he was just another douche where you could say "well that guy is pretty dumb no need to rage or care", but he's an intelligent guy. He is sharp about the game and about who to bash in what situation, and in contrary to (e.g.) Idra, he's not at all depending on his mindset when going into series.

Naniwa is a guy that uses the fact that there is no mechanic in esports to punish his behaviour in a smart way to keep the attention sticking to him. That is all. That wouldn't be possible if he'd be a good player, but there's a difference between beating the majority of a meh foreign scene and being totally irrelevant in Korea. Nani would be totally irrelevant in Korea now, even with half a year of training down there.


would you mind to clarify what the highlighted (by me) part is supposed to mean?

If Naniwa wasn't a good player, noone would care for his intentional insults and bm.

The thing is though that he is only a good player in terms of "foreigners". Being able to beat the majority of a rather weak foreign scene does not make you a sick player.

If he would be a korean-based player, he wouldn't make Code S at all, not even with a decent training time of like half a year. I'm pretty sure of that.

He'd be totally irrelevant in Korea, except for his twitter drama. That's it.


[...]

Anyways, we have seen more than once that talented foreigners can keep up with Koreans given the right training and mentality (think Scarlett, Stephano, etc) and Naniwa certainly is amongst the most talented foreigners, which he has demonstrated yet again by plowing through the competition after his break.

I think our opinions differ a lot here. IMO, the "best foreigner" is at the level of skill of a "mediocre to decent Korean".
There was never a point where a top foreigner could compete with a top korean.
Naniwa came close to competing by two ro8 exits. He's since then relying on that - and keeping up his trash talk to stay relevant.



Naniwa has been the only one that can compete with ALL koreans, yes top of the top too, he got nothing more to prove imo. Ask any korean progamer whos the best foreigner of all time, i bet 90% will say Naniwa.




Not to take any credit from Nani since he IS one of the best foreigners ever, but I doubt 90% will say Naniwa.

Yeah, Stephano and Scarlett have close to as much right to that title as NaNiwa does. MajOr also seemed to be pretty well respected in the Team 8 house at the time as well, despite not getting much playtime.

I agree though, NaNiwa is at least a top 3 foreigner of all-time. There are other players who have been good at their respective times (Jinro, IdrA, HuK, Sen, ThorZaIN, VortiX), but I think that NaNiwa was probably better than all of them at his prime than when they were at their primes.
Naikonz
Profile Joined October 2014
Romania65 Posts
January 18 2015 15:19 GMT
#351
Speaking of foreigners, you know who I want to see do really well? State! He qualified for WCS, let's see if he can make anything happen.
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 15:20 GMT
#352
On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts.


In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego....


Now THAT'S a bait!

:o

And:
Poll: Best foreigner ever:

NaNiwa (126)
 
55%

Stephano (74)
 
32%

Snute (10)
 
4%

Scarlett (8)
 
3%

Jinro (6)
 
3%

Idra (3)
 
1%

Huk (2)
 
1%

229 total votes

Your vote: Best foreigner ever:

(Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro



Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?!
Cogito, ergo toss.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 15:21:50
January 18 2015 15:20 GMT
#353
On January 19 2015 00:20 ClueClueClue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts.


In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego....


Now THAT'S a bait!

:o

And:
Poll: Best foreigner ever:

NaNiwa (126)
 
55%

Stephano (74)
 
32%

Snute (10)
 
4%

Scarlett (8)
 
3%

Jinro (6)
 
3%

Idra (3)
 
1%

Huk (2)
 
1%

229 total votes

Your vote: Best foreigner ever:

(Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro



Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?!

OMG I forgot Scoobers D:

But seriously; I forgot (Z)Sen, sorry lichter
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
January 18 2015 15:21 GMT
#354
On January 19 2015 00:20 ClueClueClue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts.


In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego....


Now THAT'S a bait!

:o

And:
Poll: Best foreigner ever:

NaNiwa (126)
 
55%

Stephano (74)
 
32%

Snute (10)
 
4%

Scarlett (8)
 
3%

Jinro (6)
 
3%

Idra (3)
 
1%

Huk (2)
 
1%

229 total votes

Your vote: Best foreigner ever:

(Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro



Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?!

And King Artur
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ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 15:21 GMT
#355
On January 19 2015 00:20 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:20 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts.


In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego....


Now THAT'S a bait!

:o

And:
Poll: Best foreigner ever:

NaNiwa (126)
 
55%

Stephano (74)
 
32%

Snute (10)
 
4%

Scarlett (8)
 
3%

Jinro (6)
 
3%

Idra (3)
 
1%

Huk (2)
 
1%

229 total votes

Your vote: Best foreigner ever:

(Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro



Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?!

OMG I forgot Scoobers D:


But for realz, Bunny and Sen are like two of the most respected foreigners among Koreans.
Cogito, ergo toss.
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
January 18 2015 15:22 GMT
#356
On January 19 2015 00:20 ClueClueClue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts.


In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego....


Now THAT'S a bait!

:o

And:
Poll: Best foreigner ever:

NaNiwa (126)
 
55%

Stephano (74)
 
32%

Snute (10)
 
4%

Scarlett (8)
 
3%

Jinro (6)
 
3%

Idra (3)
 
1%

Huk (2)
 
1%

229 total votes

Your vote: Best foreigner ever:

(Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro



Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?!

Serious: Bunny's not really on the same level as the other players in the poll. He had a couple of really good runs, but nowhere near the level of success as the others. Snute, Stephano, Scarlett, NaNiwa, HuK, Jinro, ThorZaIN and VortiX are by far the most successful foreigners ever. I can't really think of anyone else who really came close to their success, other than possibly Sen.

Scoobers definitely should be on there though. He just blew JD out of the water in that series.
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 15:23 GMT
#357
On January 19 2015 00:22 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:20 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts.


In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego....


Now THAT'S a bait!

:o

And:
Poll: Best foreigner ever:

NaNiwa (126)
 
55%

Stephano (74)
 
32%

Snute (10)
 
4%

Scarlett (8)
 
3%

Jinro (6)
 
3%

Idra (3)
 
1%

Huk (2)
 
1%

229 total votes

Your vote: Best foreigner ever:

(Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro



Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?!

Serious: Bunny's not really on the same level as the other players in the poll. He had a couple of really good runs, but nowhere near the level of success as the others. Snute, Stephano, Scarlett, NaNiwa, HuK, Jinro, ThorZaIN and VortiX are by far the most successful foreigners ever. I can't really think of anyone else who really came close to their success, other than possibly Sen.

Scoobers definitely should be on there though. He just blew JD out of the water in that series.


Best foreigner, not most successful. If we're talking success, it's down to NaNi/Stephano/Sen.
Cogito, ergo toss.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 15:25 GMT
#358
On January 19 2015 00:22 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:20 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts.


In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego....


Now THAT'S a bait!

:o

And:
Poll: Best foreigner ever:

NaNiwa (126)
 
55%

Stephano (74)
 
32%

Snute (10)
 
4%

Scarlett (8)
 
3%

Jinro (6)
 
3%

Idra (3)
 
1%

Huk (2)
 
1%

229 total votes

Your vote: Best foreigner ever:

(Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro



Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?!

Serious: Bunny's not really on the same level as the other players in the poll. He had a couple of really good runs, but nowhere near the level of success as the others. Snute, Stephano, Scarlett, NaNiwa, HuK, Jinro, ThorZaIN and VortiX are by far the most successful foreigners ever. I can't really think of anyone else who really came close to their success, other than possibly Sen.

Scoobers definitely should be on there though. He just blew JD out of the water in that series.

Actually: If we're talking most successful foreigner most people forget that (P)MaNa is very much up there:
http://www.esportsearnings.com/games/151-starcraft-ii
I Protoss winner, could it be?
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
January 18 2015 15:29 GMT
#359
On January 19 2015 00:25 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:22 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:20 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts.


In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego....


Now THAT'S a bait!

:o

And:
Poll: Best foreigner ever:

NaNiwa (126)
 
55%

Stephano (74)
 
32%

Snute (10)
 
4%

Scarlett (8)
 
3%

Jinro (6)
 
3%

Idra (3)
 
1%

Huk (2)
 
1%

229 total votes

Your vote: Best foreigner ever:

(Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro



Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?!

Serious: Bunny's not really on the same level as the other players in the poll. He had a couple of really good runs, but nowhere near the level of success as the others. Snute, Stephano, Scarlett, NaNiwa, HuK, Jinro, ThorZaIN and VortiX are by far the most successful foreigners ever. I can't really think of anyone else who really came close to their success, other than possibly Sen.

Scoobers definitely should be on there though. He just blew JD out of the water in that series.

Actually: If we're talking most successful foreigner most people forget that (P)MaNa is very much up there:
http://www.esportsearnings.com/games/151-starcraft-ii

That's quite true as well. MaNa probably should be included, but even then I'm pretty sure it would be hard to make a case that he's as good as Snute, Stephano, Scarlett, and NaNiwa. Those 4 are by far the most successful foreigners in SC2. I think one could make the argument that MajOr has the potential to be one of the best foreigners, but given his lack of results it's kind of hard to substantiate that claim.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 15:31 GMT
#360
On January 19 2015 00:29 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:25 Penev wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:22 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:20 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts.


In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego....


Now THAT'S a bait!

:o

And:
Poll: Best foreigner ever:

NaNiwa (126)
 
55%

Stephano (74)
 
32%

Snute (10)
 
4%

Scarlett (8)
 
3%

Jinro (6)
 
3%

Idra (3)
 
1%

Huk (2)
 
1%

229 total votes

Your vote: Best foreigner ever:

(Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro



Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?!

Serious: Bunny's not really on the same level as the other players in the poll. He had a couple of really good runs, but nowhere near the level of success as the others. Snute, Stephano, Scarlett, NaNiwa, HuK, Jinro, ThorZaIN and VortiX are by far the most successful foreigners ever. I can't really think of anyone else who really came close to their success, other than possibly Sen.

Scoobers definitely should be on there though. He just blew JD out of the water in that series.

Actually: If we're talking most successful foreigner most people forget that (P)MaNa is very much up there:
http://www.esportsearnings.com/games/151-starcraft-ii

That's quite true as well. MaNa probably should be included, but even then I'm pretty sure it would be hard to make a case that he's as good as Snute, Stephano, Scarlett, and NaNiwa. Those 4 are by far the most successful foreigners in SC2. I think one could make the argument that MajOr has the potential to be one of the best foreigners, but given his lack of results it's kind of hard to substantiate that claim.

Well, personally I think I might as well just made a poll with NaNi and Steph
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Homunculus159
Profile Joined December 2014
Austria220 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 15:35:41
January 18 2015 15:31 GMT
#361
On January 19 2015 00:23 ClueClueClue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:22 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:20 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:18 Penev wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:16 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:14 Naikonz wrote:
It wasn't a bait. Just some honest thoughts.


In Boxerfred's world, everything is directed at him. Seems like NaNiwa isn't the only person on TL with a bit of an ego....


Now THAT'S a bait!

:o

And:
Poll: Best foreigner ever:

NaNiwa (126)
 
55%

Stephano (74)
 
32%

Snute (10)
 
4%

Scarlett (8)
 
3%

Jinro (6)
 
3%

Idra (3)
 
1%

Huk (2)
 
1%

229 total votes

Your vote: Best foreigner ever:

(Vote): NaNiwa
(Vote): Stephano
(Vote): Idra
(Vote): Huk
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): Scarlett
(Vote): Jinro



Where's Bunny? And Scoobers for god'd sake?!

Serious: Bunny's not really on the same level as the other players in the poll. He had a couple of really good runs, but nowhere near the level of success as the others. Snute, Stephano, Scarlett, NaNiwa, HuK, Jinro, ThorZaIN and VortiX are by far the most successful foreigners ever. I can't really think of anyone else who really came close to their success, other than possibly Sen.

Scoobers definitely should be on there though. He just blew JD out of the water in that series.


Best foreigner, not most successful. If we're talking success, it's down to NaNi/Stephano/Sen.


Snute Mana Huk und Nerchio are also up there when it comes to success

Stephano being Number 1 (just going by who has earned the most) and Nani Number 2 and then everyone else slightly above 100k


I guess if we just go by who is the best foreigner from the beginning of SC2 till now I think the only real competition Naniwa has is Stephano but he is retired. So we would have to see if Huk and Nerchio can manage to find their old form and how Snute, Bunny, Sen are gonna do this year
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
January 18 2015 15:37 GMT
#362
On January 19 2015 00:18 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:15 Homunculus159 wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:11 MidnightZL wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:06 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:55 tar wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:41 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:37 tar wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:06 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:24 BaneRiders wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed.


Nani is posting in here, and he is not permed. So he must be behaving a lot better here than the average community I suppose?

There are no mods on twitter. Read what I said, if he'd put only 10% of his attitude in TL posts he'd be fucking permed.

You know if you have a irrelevant guy that acts dumb, noone cares or hates (see Lillekannin). But Nani a) is a ridiculously good player and b) knows exactly what his attitude does for him and the game. I hate on him so hard because he's doing this shit all the time over and over again - on fucking purpose. If he was just another douche where you could say "well that guy is pretty dumb no need to rage or care", but he's an intelligent guy. He is sharp about the game and about who to bash in what situation, and in contrary to (e.g.) Idra, he's not at all depending on his mindset when going into series.

Naniwa is a guy that uses the fact that there is no mechanic in esports to punish his behaviour in a smart way to keep the attention sticking to him. That is all. That wouldn't be possible if he'd be a good player, but there's a difference between beating the majority of a meh foreign scene and being totally irrelevant in Korea. Nani would be totally irrelevant in Korea now, even with half a year of training down there.


would you mind to clarify what the highlighted (by me) part is supposed to mean?

If Naniwa wasn't a good player, noone would care for his intentional insults and bm.

The thing is though that he is only a good player in terms of "foreigners". Being able to beat the majority of a rather weak foreign scene does not make you a sick player.

If he would be a korean-based player, he wouldn't make Code S at all, not even with a decent training time of like half a year. I'm pretty sure of that.

He'd be totally irrelevant in Korea, except for his twitter drama. That's it.


[...]

Anyways, we have seen more than once that talented foreigners can keep up with Koreans given the right training and mentality (think Scarlett, Stephano, etc) and Naniwa certainly is amongst the most talented foreigners, which he has demonstrated yet again by plowing through the competition after his break.

I think our opinions differ a lot here. IMO, the "best foreigner" is at the level of skill of a "mediocre to decent Korean".
There was never a point where a top foreigner could compete with a top korean.
Naniwa came close to competing by two ro8 exits. He's since then relying on that - and keeping up his trash talk to stay relevant.



Naniwa has been the only one that can compete with ALL koreans, yes top of the top too, he got nothing more to prove imo. Ask any korean progamer whos the best foreigner of all time, i bet 90% will say Naniwa.




Not to take any credit from Nani since he IS one of the best foreigners ever, but I doubt 90% will say Naniwa.

Yeah, Stephano and Scarlett have close to as much right to that title as NaNiwa does. MajOr also seemed to be pretty well respected in the Team 8 house at the time as well, despite not getting much playtime.

I agree though, NaNiwa is at least a top 3 foreigner of all-time. There are other players who have been good at their respective times (Jinro, IdrA, HuK, Sen, ThorZaIN, VortiX), but I think that NaNiwa was probably better than all of them at his prime than when they were at their primes.

Even as a Naniwa fan, I think, Stephano has to be the overall number 1, but how does Scarlett end up in a tier with those two? I mean, HuK, Snute, ThorZaIN, MaNa, Nerchio and Sen all won tournaments with korean competition, while she never did. I'd put her in the next tier with Idra,Vortix and the consistently forgotten Jim.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
January 18 2015 15:38 GMT
#363
Don't really mind drama , no manners , no gg's or even a flame ingame but that was way above what the rulebook allows. I would be very suprised if that results in a warning. In my opinion a warning would mean that Naniwa gets different treatment compared to for example Lillekanin. He got a warning (in q3 or 4) before his ban for way less.

In my opinion he will be disqualified which is sad because I was looking to see one of the best or the best Protoss in Europe play again.
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
January 18 2015 15:42 GMT
#364
On January 19 2015 00:38 NarutO wrote:
Don't really mind drama , no manners , no gg's or even a flame ingame but that was way above what the rulebook allows. I would be very suprised if that results in a warning. In my opinion a warning would mean that Naniwa gets different treatment compared to for example Lillekanin. He got a warning (in q3 or 4) before his ban for way less.

In my opinion he will be disqualified which is sad because I was looking to see one of the best or the best Protoss in Europe play again.

It was at least provoked by Kane, so is not neccesarily a ban (also other than Lillekanin he didin't communicate with twitchchat during the game). If this results in a ban, I expect it to be a double-ban, though, Kane raising money to have Nerchio and Naniwa having a fight is probably not wanted in the rules either.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44137 Posts
January 18 2015 15:44 GMT
#365
I cannot WAIT for Naniwa and IdrA to play Archon Mode together in LotV. Please let this happen.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
KtJ
Profile Joined October 2014
United States3514 Posts
January 18 2015 15:45 GMT
#366
On January 19 2015 00:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I cannot WAIT for Naniwa and IdrA to play Archon Mode together in LotV. Please let this happen.

Oh dear god.
"I thought I destroyed my CC but it seemed like the only thing I destroyed was Idra's mentality."
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 18 2015 15:45 GMT
#367
On January 19 2015 00:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I cannot WAIT for Naniwa and IdrA to play Archon Mode together in LotV. Please let this happen.

Destiny as commentator
Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
January 18 2015 15:58 GMT
#368
I love Naniwa. I love how good he was (is?) and when he flames and flips out, I laugh and laugh...
So I hope he comes back, better and angrier than ever. Maybe then a foreigner will take a title.
"I, for one, welcome our new Korean overlords."
SnovskiSC2
Profile Joined October 2013
Denmark10 Posts
January 18 2015 16:13 GMT
#369
Naniwa will always be the best Nonkorean to ever play this game!
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
January 18 2015 16:13 GMT
#370
so what am i supposed to do? like naniwa or dislike him? someone please decide for me
maru lover forever
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 16:15 GMT
#371
On January 19 2015 00:45 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I cannot WAIT for Naniwa and IdrA to play Archon Mode together in LotV. Please let this happen.

Destiny as commentator


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Cogito, ergo toss.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
January 18 2015 16:17 GMT
#372
the decision is easy, or. He'll be gone to fast to even notice he was here if you didn't care about him before xD.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 18 2015 16:18 GMT
#373
Goes without saying that I hate stuchiu
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12142 Posts
January 18 2015 16:18 GMT
#374
A bunch of people united in criticizing one guy, but it's okay, we're all safe cause of our knowledge that we're the good guys.
No will to live, no wish to die
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 18 2015 16:20 GMT
#375
On January 19 2015 00:15 Homunculus159 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 00:11 MidnightZL wrote:
On January 19 2015 00:06 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:55 tar wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:41 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:37 tar wrote:
On January 18 2015 23:06 boxerfred wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:24 BaneRiders wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:03 boxerfred wrote:
10% of his attitude in here and he'd be permed.


Nani is posting in here, and he is not permed. So he must be behaving a lot better here than the average community I suppose?

There are no mods on twitter. Read what I said, if he'd put only 10% of his attitude in TL posts he'd be fucking permed.

You know if you have a irrelevant guy that acts dumb, noone cares or hates (see Lillekannin). But Nani a) is a ridiculously good player and b) knows exactly what his attitude does for him and the game. I hate on him so hard because he's doing this shit all the time over and over again - on fucking purpose. If he was just another douche where you could say "well that guy is pretty dumb no need to rage or care", but he's an intelligent guy. He is sharp about the game and about who to bash in what situation, and in contrary to (e.g.) Idra, he's not at all depending on his mindset when going into series.

Naniwa is a guy that uses the fact that there is no mechanic in esports to punish his behaviour in a smart way to keep the attention sticking to him. That is all. That wouldn't be possible if he'd be a good player, but there's a difference between beating the majority of a meh foreign scene and being totally irrelevant in Korea. Nani would be totally irrelevant in Korea now, even with half a year of training down there.


would you mind to clarify what the highlighted (by me) part is supposed to mean?

If Naniwa wasn't a good player, noone would care for his intentional insults and bm.

The thing is though that he is only a good player in terms of "foreigners". Being able to beat the majority of a rather weak foreign scene does not make you a sick player.

If he would be a korean-based player, he wouldn't make Code S at all, not even with a decent training time of like half a year. I'm pretty sure of that.

He'd be totally irrelevant in Korea, except for his twitter drama. That's it.


[...]

Anyways, we have seen more than once that talented foreigners can keep up with Koreans given the right training and mentality (think Scarlett, Stephano, etc) and Naniwa certainly is amongst the most talented foreigners, which he has demonstrated yet again by plowing through the competition after his break.

I think our opinions differ a lot here. IMO, the "best foreigner" is at the level of skill of a "mediocre to decent Korean".
There was never a point where a top foreigner could compete with a top korean.
Naniwa came close to competing by two ro8 exits. He's since then relying on that - and keeping up his trash talk to stay relevant.



Naniwa has been the only one that can compete with ALL koreans, yes top of the top too, he got nothing more to prove imo. Ask any korean progamer whos the best foreigner of all time, i bet 90% will say Naniwa.




Not to take any credit from Nani since he IS one of the best foreigners ever, but I doubt 90% will say Naniwa.

Yeah I remember Day9 saying in an interview that eliminating Naniwa was like a point of pride for the Koreans because they didn't like his bad manner or something. I'd be willing to bet a lot of them would say Scarlett or Stephano just because they don't like him. Objectively it's pretty close between him and Stephano probably
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
January 18 2015 16:27 GMT
#376
On January 19 2015 01:13 Incognoto wrote:
so what am i supposed to do? like naniwa or dislike him? someone please decide for me

Don't make a rational decesion. Just observe the scene for a while. If you get annoyed by his twitter comments, root against him. If you get hyped watching his games, root for him. In my experience making a decision on whether you like someone or not isn't that useful, it just kind of happens.
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
January 18 2015 16:29 GMT
#377
On January 19 2015 01:18 Nebuchad wrote:
A bunch of people united in criticizing one guy, but it's okay, we're all safe cause of our knowledge that we're the good guys.

- Scarface, paraphrased
Karidian
Profile Joined January 2015
United States1 Post
January 18 2015 16:33 GMT
#378
On January 18 2015 14:51 Za7oX wrote:
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On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough

The more white dudes who can beat Koreans the beeter. Nani has been the best at doing that.


This is soooooooooo racist. Patheic
the usual quote
PepsiMaxxxx
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden5452 Posts
January 18 2015 16:38 GMT
#379
On January 19 2015 01:13 Incognoto wrote:
so what am i supposed to do? like naniwa or dislike him? someone please decide for me

Just enjoy the show. =)
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
January 18 2015 16:38 GMT
#380
On January 19 2015 01:27 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 01:13 Incognoto wrote:
so what am i supposed to do? like naniwa or dislike him? someone please decide for me

Don't make a rational decesion. Just observe the scene for a while. If you get annoyed by his twitter comments, root against him. If you get hyped watching his games, root for him. In my experience making a decision on whether you like someone or not isn't that useful, it just kind of happens.


actually i just realized i don't even care at all about the drama. i find it surprising that people do, when there are more interesting things going on than naniwa being rude to people. screw that, is it surprising that people are rude to each other on the internet? :o
maru lover forever
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 16:42:35
January 18 2015 16:41 GMT
#381
On January 19 2015 01:38 Incognoto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 01:27 Xoronius wrote:
On January 19 2015 01:13 Incognoto wrote:
so what am i supposed to do? like naniwa or dislike him? someone please decide for me

Don't make a rational decesion. Just observe the scene for a while. If you get annoyed by his twitter comments, root against him. If you get hyped watching his games, root for him. In my experience making a decision on whether you like someone or not isn't that useful, it just kind of happens.


actually i just realized i don't even care at all about the drama. i find it surprising that people do, when there are more interesting things going on than naniwa being rude to people. screw that, is it surprising that people are rude to each other on the internet? :o

So you like (P)NaNiwa!

Solved!
I Protoss winner, could it be?
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 18 2015 16:42 GMT
#382
if i replaced the entire article with gibberish now, i wonder if people will notice
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
January 18 2015 16:47 GMT
#383
Ugh does this guy really deserve an article at this point rofl
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Shenghi
Profile Joined August 2010
167 Posts
January 18 2015 16:49 GMT
#384
On January 19 2015 01:42 lichter wrote:
if i replaced the entire article with gibberish now, i wonder if people will notice

Lorem ipsum NaNiwa sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Sed commodo lorem eget eros NaNiwa tempor. Nullam iaculis dolor sit amet enim condimentum, a porta eros pulvinar. Suspendisse ac ex non mi facilisis viverra. Donec sagittis ac ligula vel malesuada. Pellentesque aliquam lacinia lorem at faucibus. Maecenas sed accumsan tellus, a commodo nisi. Vestibulum ante ipsum primis in faucibus orci luctus et ultrices posuere cubilia Curae; NaNiwa a aliquam est. Ut quis magna vel tortor blandit egestas vitae non diam. In id urna pharetra, bibendum dolor pellentesque, elementum nulla. Donec elementum maximus massa vitae venenatis. Interdum et malesuada fames ac ante ipsum primis in faucibus. Donec et nibh erat. Integer luctus sagittis tortor. Ut semper est ut neque convallis volutpat. Donec venenatis, ipsum nec condimentum sollicitudin, nibh mauris eleifend lorem, NaNiwa blandit enim urna vitae purus.

Etiam et gravida mi. In luctus augue ut porta tristique. Nullam posuere arcu lorem. Cras maximus ut nunc nec rutrum. Sed eu purus in tortor placerat vulputate vitae non ligula. Nullam quis lobortis tortor, sit amet dignissim ipsum. Nam lacinia dui ante, eget mollis dui NaNiwa et. Nam at feugiat felis. NaNiwa viverra ligula vel felis sodales aliquam. Donec quis dui massa. Cras gravida tempor libero ac accumsan. Cras scelerisque at mi id rutrum. Quisque convallis arcu vel nibh elementum varius. Nam in accumsan leo, viverra varius NaNiwa.
People are not born stupid, they choose to be stupid. If you made that choice, please change your mind.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 18 2015 16:49 GMT
#385
I'm glad Naniwa got an article. Him coming back is a big deal
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Spect8rCraft
Profile Joined December 2012
649 Posts
January 18 2015 16:51 GMT
#386
On January 19 2015 01:49 Shellshock wrote:
I'm glad Naniwa got an article. Him coming back is a big deal


Well... that's one way to put it.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10053 Posts
January 18 2015 16:53 GMT
#387
On January 19 2015 01:49 Shellshock wrote:
I'm glad Naniwa got an article. Him coming back is a big deal

+ Show Spoiler +
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i missed all this
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Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
January 18 2015 16:54 GMT
#388
On January 19 2015 01:47 Yorkie wrote:
Ugh does this guy really deserve an article at this point rofl

Whether or not you like him is irrelevant to articles. Articles is all about how many that read them, and judging by the number of posts here it was a lot of ppl who read it.

So apparently yes he did deserve an article.
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
January 18 2015 17:11 GMT
#389
All we need now is a bit of swarmhosts
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jrdeal
Profile Joined November 2014
United States24 Posts
January 18 2015 17:14 GMT
#390
The Great European Protoss has returned and may or may not be stopped by Swarm hosts.
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 18 2015 17:20 GMT
#391
I actually want more swarm host-like units
Homunculus159
Profile Joined December 2014
Austria220 Posts
January 18 2015 17:21 GMT
#392
On January 19 2015 02:20 boxerfred wrote:
I actually want more swarm host-like units



Wut? Why?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 18 2015 17:27 GMT
#393
On January 19 2015 02:21 Homunculus159 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 02:20 boxerfred wrote:
I actually want more swarm host-like units



Wut? Why?

it would get naniwa leave the scene again
Homunculus159
Profile Joined December 2014
Austria220 Posts
January 18 2015 17:29 GMT
#394
On January 19 2015 02:27 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 02:21 Homunculus159 wrote:
On January 19 2015 02:20 boxerfred wrote:
I actually want more swarm host-like units



Wut? Why?

it would get naniwa leave the scene again



But what then?


aXa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France748 Posts
January 18 2015 17:31 GMT
#395
On January 19 2015 01:49 Shenghi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 01:42 lichter wrote:
if i replaced the entire article with gibberish now, i wonder if people will notice

Lorem ipsum NaNiwa sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Sed commodo lorem eget eros NaNiwa tempor. Nullam iaculis dolor sit amet enim condimentum, a porta eros pulvinar. Suspendisse ac ex non mi facilisis viverra. Donec sagittis ac ligula vel malesuada. Pellentesque aliquam lacinia lorem at faucibus. Maecenas sed accumsan tellus, a commodo nisi. Vestibulum ante ipsum primis in faucibus orci luctus et ultrices posuere cubilia Curae; NaNiwa a aliquam est. Ut quis magna vel tortor blandit egestas vitae non diam. In id urna pharetra, bibendum dolor pellentesque, elementum nulla. Donec elementum maximus massa vitae venenatis. Interdum et malesuada fames ac ante ipsum primis in faucibus. Donec et nibh erat. Integer luctus sagittis tortor. Ut semper est ut neque convallis volutpat. Donec venenatis, ipsum nec condimentum sollicitudin, nibh mauris eleifend lorem, NaNiwa blandit enim urna vitae purus.

Etiam et gravida mi. In luctus augue ut porta tristique. Nullam posuere arcu lorem. Cras maximus ut nunc nec rutrum. Sed eu purus in tortor placerat vulputate vitae non ligula. Nullam quis lobortis tortor, sit amet dignissim ipsum. Nam lacinia dui ante, eget mollis dui NaNiwa et. Nam at feugiat felis. NaNiwa viverra ligula vel felis sodales aliquam. Donec quis dui massa. Cras gravida tempor libero ac accumsan. Cras scelerisque at mi id rutrum. Quisque convallis arcu vel nibh elementum varius. Nam in accumsan leo, viverra varius NaNiwa.


Funniest comment I have ever read :D
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 17:36 GMT
#396
On January 19 2015 02:29 Homunculus159 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 02:27 boxerfred wrote:
On January 19 2015 02:21 Homunculus159 wrote:
On January 19 2015 02:20 boxerfred wrote:
I actually want more swarm host-like units



Wut? Why?

it would get naniwa leave the scene again



But what then?




We can't kill the entirety of Starcraftdom to get to one guy! That would be like invading Afghanistan just to find Bin Laden!
Cogito, ergo toss.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 18 2015 17:37 GMT
#397
[image loading]


#saving-esports
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 17:39 GMT
#398
[image loading]
Cogito, ergo toss.
Legio
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden235 Posts
January 18 2015 17:41 GMT
#399
On January 19 2015 02:20 boxerfred wrote:
I actually want more swarm host-like units

Can someone get boxerfred a poster or a mousepad signed by Naniwa. This guy is clearly hurting!
Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
January 18 2015 17:43 GMT
#400
Starcraft has not been exiting at all since Nani retired
NaNiwa | Innovation | Flash | DeMuslim ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
baabaa
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada29 Posts
January 18 2015 17:44 GMT
#401
the Bobby Fischer of Starcraft
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 17:45 GMT
#402
I just realized that everything NaNiwa says instantly becomes toxic, since even his positive remarks could be considered to be left-handed compliments.
Cogito, ergo toss.
shin ken
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Germany612 Posts
January 18 2015 17:45 GMT
#403
On January 19 2015 01:33 Karidian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:51 Za7oX wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough

The more white dudes who can beat Koreans the beeter. Nani has been the best at doing that.


This is soooooooooo racist. Patheic


1.Don't be oversensitive. Nothing is "soooooo racist" just because there's something with race in it.

2. That was actually a refence to a phrase (Wiki)Moon has said after winning an IEM tournament back in 2011. "Koreans own white dudes" and White dudes own Koreans" is a meme in the SC2 community since then.
baabaa
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada29 Posts
January 18 2015 17:46 GMT
#404
(Fischer played for himself mostly... played to win... was known for complaining about match conditions and threatening to withdraw from events... was known for accusing the Russians (equivalent to Koreans for Starcraft) of conspiring against him...
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
January 18 2015 17:47 GMT
#405
On January 19 2015 01:42 lichter wrote:
if i replaced the entire article with gibberish now, i wonder if people will notice

Implying it was coherent in the first place.
Homunculus159
Profile Joined December 2014
Austria220 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 17:50:29
January 18 2015 17:48 GMT
#406
On January 19 2015 02:36 ClueClueClue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 02:29 Homunculus159 wrote:
On January 19 2015 02:27 boxerfred wrote:
On January 19 2015 02:21 Homunculus159 wrote:
On January 19 2015 02:20 boxerfred wrote:
I actually want more swarm host-like units



Wut? Why?

it would get naniwa leave the scene again



But what then?




We can't kill the entirety of Starcraftdom to get to one guy! That would be like invading Afghanistan just to find Bin Laden!



Yeah that would be stupid.
I knew people would hate on Nani and they would talk about him a lot. I just think making him leave the scene again would be stupid. Sure he is a controversial character and he deserves some of the shit he gets. Still he is a great player and a great addition to the foreign Scene.

Just cheer for the other guy if you do not like him
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 18 2015 17:52 GMT
#407
On January 19 2015 02:37 Big J wrote:
[image loading]


#saving-esports

That Swarm Host looks so cute <3
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 17:54 GMT
#408
On January 19 2015 02:47 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 01:42 lichter wrote:
if i replaced the entire article with gibberish now, i wonder if people will notice

Implying it was coherent in the first place.

Wait.. There's an article!? D:
I Protoss winner, could it be?
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 17:56 GMT
#409
So what do you guys think? Will this thread have 1000+ pages of NaNipassion before premier league starts?!
Cogito, ergo toss.
Roadog
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1670 Posts
January 18 2015 17:59 GMT
#410
On January 19 2015 02:45 ClueClueClue wrote:
I just realized that everything NaNiwa says instantly becomes toxic, since even his positive remarks could be considered to be left-handed compliments.

I think the right term is "back-handed". And yes, I know that Naniwa's left-handed.
sOs fan. Zerg just seem to have the most...potential. Dubbo Robo Colo! Why I play Protoss: Stalkers, bacon, toilets and mama -- Chelsea FC
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 18:00 GMT
#411
On January 19 2015 02:59 Roadog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 02:45 ClueClueClue wrote:
I just realized that everything NaNiwa says instantly becomes toxic, since even his positive remarks could be considered to be left-handed compliments.

I think the right term is "back-handed". And yes, I know that Naniwa's left-handed.


I handed the joke to you, and you just left it lying there! For shame!
Cogito, ergo toss.
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
936 Posts
January 18 2015 18:02 GMT
#412
He is an idiot and Protoss player this combo is worse than Hitler.

User was temp banned for this post.
:3
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 18:06 GMT
#413
On January 19 2015 03:02 Starecat wrote:
He is an idiot and Protoss player this combo is worse than Hitler.


Next time a stand-up comedian makes a funny comparison, I'm gonna burst up on stage, grab the mic and say "Imma let you finish, but Starecat made one of the best comparisons of all time!". Protoss players worse than Hitler, good one.
Cogito, ergo toss.
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
January 18 2015 18:06 GMT
#414
On January 19 2015 03:02 Starecat wrote:
He is an idiot and Protoss player this combo is worse than Hitler.

Hitler, no skill all-inner.

User was temp banned for this post.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
January 18 2015 18:07 GMT
#415
On January 19 2015 03:06 ClueClueClue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 03:02 Starecat wrote:
He is an idiot and Protoss player this combo is worse than Hitler.


Next time a stand-up comedian makes a funny comparison, I'm gonna burst up on stage, grab the mic and say "Imma let you finish, but Starecat made one of the best comparisons of all time!". Protoss players worse than Hitler, good one.


Nani's ego walked into a bar, there was no counter.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
jrdeal
Profile Joined November 2014
United States24 Posts
January 18 2015 18:09 GMT
#416
[image loading]

Naniwa will coming blazing in from Sweden on his golden chariot
spOOky
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 18:10 GMT
#417
On January 19 2015 03:06 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 03:02 Starecat wrote:
He is an idiot and Protoss player this combo is worse than Hitler.

Hitler, no skill all-inner.


Those damn turtling Russians.
Cogito, ergo toss.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 18 2015 18:21 GMT
#418
On January 19 2015 03:06 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 03:02 Starecat wrote:
He is an idiot and Protoss player this combo is worse than Hitler.

Hitler, no skill all-inner.


6years all in, irl economy needs to be fixed.
Zest fanboy.
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
January 18 2015 18:22 GMT
#419
On January 19 2015 03:10 ClueClueClue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 03:06 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:02 Starecat wrote:
He is an idiot and Protoss player this combo is worse than Hitler.

Hitler, no skill all-inner.


Those damn turtling Russians.

Well, that's what you get for unallying.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 18 2015 18:24 GMT
#420
On January 19 2015 01:42 lichter wrote:
if i replaced the entire article with gibberish now, i wonder if people will notice



I noticed (huehuehue): raging at Tefel as the worth player on earht
Roadog
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1670 Posts
January 18 2015 18:24 GMT
#421
On January 19 2015 03:22 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 03:10 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:06 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:02 Starecat wrote:
He is an idiot and Protoss player this combo is worse than Hitler.

Hitler, no skill all-inner.


Those damn turtling Russians.

Well, that's what you get for unallying.

Wow, happy 2000th post by the way.
sOs fan. Zerg just seem to have the most...potential. Dubbo Robo Colo! Why I play Protoss: Stalkers, bacon, toilets and mama -- Chelsea FC
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 18:25 GMT
#422
On January 19 2015 03:22 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 03:10 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:06 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:02 Starecat wrote:
He is an idiot and Protoss player this combo is worse than Hitler.

Hitler, no skill all-inner.


Those damn turtling Russians.

Well, that's what you get for unallying.


Molotov and Ribbentropp should be DQ'd for match-fixing.
Cogito, ergo toss.
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
January 18 2015 18:26 GMT
#423
Holy moly! This thread is already 20 pages?
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
January 18 2015 18:27 GMT
#424
I hope it's not a sign of onset of depression, but personally I couldn't care less about petty drama in sc2. I really marvel at all those people positively filled with glee that two players insulted each other, as if it's the highlight of their day.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
shamanas
Profile Joined August 2011
Greece7 Posts
January 18 2015 18:29 GMT
#425
On January 19 2015 03:27 Grumbels wrote:
I couldn't care less about petty drama in sc2.


Takes the time to comment on an drama-inducing article.
Okay buddy
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 18:31:20
January 18 2015 18:30 GMT
#426
On January 19 2015 03:06 pigmanbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 03:02 Starecat wrote:
He is an idiot and Protoss player this combo is worse than Hitler.

Hitler, no skill all-inner.

User was temp banned for this post.

Why is this banworthy? I don't get it?

Edit:
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Reason: You're on your second account and continue to be a terrible poster. If you really don't value your account that much, we're happy to take it away from you. If you want to shitpost go to Reddit or something.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 18 2015 18:39 GMT
#427
On January 19 2015 03:30 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 03:06 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:02 Starecat wrote:
He is an idiot and Protoss player this combo is worse than Hitler.

Hitler, no skill all-inner.

User was temp banned for this post.

Why is this banworthy? I don't get it?

Edit:
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Reason: You're on your second account and continue to be a terrible poster. If you really don't value your account that much, we're happy to take it away from you. If you want to shitpost go to Reddit or something.


surprising considering how he posted in the thread
Zest fanboy.
byebyebyebye
Profile Joined January 2015
1 Post
January 18 2015 18:41 GMT
#428
On January 19 2015 03:24 Roadog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 03:22 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:10 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:06 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:02 Starecat wrote:
He is an idiot and Protoss player this combo is worse than Hitler.

Hitler, no skill all-inner.


Those damn turtling Russians.

Well, that's what you get for unallying.

Wow, happy 2000th post by the way.

I just registered to thank you! And to earn a permaban. Anyone who reads my post history sees that my posts are generally friendly and articulate. Whatever. Bye everyone!

User was banned for this post.
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 18:49:14
January 18 2015 18:43 GMT
#429
On January 19 2015 03:30 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 03:06 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:02 Starecat wrote:
He is an idiot and Protoss player this combo is worse than Hitler.

Hitler, no skill all-inner.

User was temp banned for this post.

Why is this banworthy? I don't get it?

Edit:
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Reason: You're on your second account and continue to be a terrible poster. If you really don't value your account that much, we're happy to take it away from you. If you want to shitpost go to Reddit or something.

Not the real reason. Did you see who banned him? It was moonbear.
There can be only one.
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Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
January 18 2015 18:45 GMT
#430
On January 18 2015 20:22 Kuchikikun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 20:18 SuperHofmann wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

Naniwa proving this article right already

I hope he will be DQ from WCS.


What about Kane?

https://twitter.com/mYiKane/status/556606972737224704

Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.


I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy


Oh God , that's just fucking weak , if he wants to kick Naniwa's ass , he should man up and do it himself.

Oh the other hand I would pay money for a Naniwa vs Nerchiro CHESS BOXING match with sc2 instead of chess , we got resume from replay now ffs ! SOMEBODY MAKE IT HAPPEN !
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 18:45 GMT
#431
On January 19 2015 03:41 byebyebyebye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 03:24 Roadog wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:22 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:10 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:06 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:02 Starecat wrote:
He is an idiot and Protoss player this combo is worse than Hitler.

Hitler, no skill all-inner.


Those damn turtling Russians.

Well, that's what you get for unallying.

Wow, happy 2000th post by the way.

I just registered to thank you! And to earn a permaban. Anyone who reads my post history sees that my posts are generally friendly and articulate. Whatever. Bye everyone!

User was banned for this post.

This one I get
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
January 18 2015 18:47 GMT
#432
It's hard to play the good person card when he calls him out in such a fashion.
Grandmaster Zerg x14. Diamond 1 LoL. MLG 50, Halo 3. Raine.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
January 18 2015 18:51 GMT
#433
Great writing as always stuchiu. Hope Nerchio kicks Naniwa's ass so we can all just forget about him for another ten months.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
January 18 2015 18:54 GMT
#434
On January 19 2015 03:43 Jormundr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 03:30 Penev wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:06 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:02 Starecat wrote:
He is an idiot and Protoss player this combo is worse than Hitler.

Hitler, no skill all-inner.

User was temp banned for this post.

Why is this banworthy? I don't get it?

Edit:
+ Show Spoiler +
Reason: You're on your second account and continue to be a terrible poster. If you really don't value your account that much, we're happy to take it away from you. If you want to shitpost go to Reddit or something.

Not the real reason. Did you see who banned him? It was moonbear.
There can be only one.
Edit: Further proof + Show Spoiler +
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Oh fuck am I next in moonbears plan? I should probably seek refugee
Favorite players: Gh and Zai
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
January 18 2015 19:02 GMT
#435
On January 19 2015 03:54 Rocket-Bear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 03:43 Jormundr wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:30 Penev wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:06 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 19 2015 03:02 Starecat wrote:
He is an idiot and Protoss player this combo is worse than Hitler.

Hitler, no skill all-inner.

User was temp banned for this post.

Why is this banworthy? I don't get it?

Edit:
+ Show Spoiler +
Reason: You're on your second account and continue to be a terrible poster. If you really don't value your account that much, we're happy to take it away from you. If you want to shitpost go to Reddit or something.

Not the real reason. Did you see who banned him? It was moonbear.
There can be only one.
Edit: Further proof + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Oh fuck am I next in moonbears plan? I should probably seek refugee

Fly you fool!
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
January 18 2015 19:06 GMT
#436
NaNi is back - viewership skyrockets, his Challenger match will outinterest GSL and S2SL combined
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
January 18 2015 19:07 GMT
#437
On January 19 2015 04:06 nimdil wrote:
NaNi is back - viewership skyrockets, his Challenger match will outinterest GSL and S2SL combined

I will have to ask Acer for a raise
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 18 2015 19:07 GMT
#438
On January 19 2015 03:45 Tchado wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 20:22 Kuchikikun wrote:
On January 18 2015 20:18 SuperHofmann wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]

Naniwa proving this article right already

I hope he will be DQ from WCS.


What about Kane?

https://twitter.com/mYiKane/status/556606972737224704

On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.


I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy


Oh God , that's just fucking weak , if he wants to kick Naniwa's ass , he should man up and do it himself.

Oh the other hand I would pay money for a Naniwa vs Nerchiro CHESS BOXING match with sc2 instead of chess , we got resume from replay now ffs ! SOMEBODY MAKE IT HAPPEN !

I think you're missing the joke here. Nerchio weighs somewhere in the region of a whopping 67 pounds. Naniwa wouldn't be the one getting his ass kicked most likely. It's just a jab

But about Kane's tweet to Psione.... that was pretty weak. I understand being sensitive about the leg but to my knowledge he hasn't established that it's in the "no joke" zone. Naniwa shouldn't have gone there, but I'm not sure it was so over the top that we need to get Blizzard in on this.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 19:10 GMT
#439
On January 19 2015 04:07 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 04:06 nimdil wrote:
NaNi is back - viewership skyrockets, his Challenger match will outinterest GSL and S2SL combined

I will have to ask Acer for a raise

More nectar and ambrosia for the Godchio Acer please
I Protoss winner, could it be?
tomastaz
Profile Joined January 2013
United States976 Posts
January 18 2015 19:12 GMT
#440
Poor Tefel
No church in the wild --- @tzhang0126
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
January 18 2015 19:23 GMT
#441
Gotta love when nerds say they'll fight each other in real life lol.Unless Nerchio never said that and Kane just trying to stir the pot. Not like NaNiwa is a hacker or anything if you don't like him that much just squelch him and beat him in Sc2.
JD, need I say more? :D
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 19:25 GMT
#442
On January 19 2015 04:10 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 04:07 Nerchio wrote:
On January 19 2015 04:06 nimdil wrote:
NaNi is back - viewership skyrockets, his Challenger match will outinterest GSL and S2SL combined

I will have to ask Acer for a raise

More nectar and ambrosia for the Godchio Acer please


Zeuschio, can you please get Starcraft into the Olympics? It seems like your area.
Cogito, ergo toss.
Eolo
Profile Joined January 2013
Spain276 Posts
January 18 2015 19:28 GMT
#443
Peace brothers! Sc2 doesnt merit it.
Vamos Scarlett ♪♫♪♫☼ :)
sc2chronic
Profile Joined May 2012
United States777 Posts
January 18 2015 19:37 GMT
#444
And a majority of fans focus on either one or the other as though they were two separate, distinct parts. I believe this is a flawed simplification of who or what Naniwa is.


yet this article is a long drawn out simplification of it. all it does is note all of his accomplishments while also mentioning all of his controversies. why was this even written? this is something youd find in his liquipedia page..
terrible, terrible, damage
corona_0489k
Profile Joined April 2011
United States27 Posts
January 18 2015 19:38 GMT
#445
Naniwa is the equivalent to Eminem in the SC2 community.
This is Sparta!!!
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 19:41 GMT
#446
On January 19 2015 04:38 corona_0489k wrote:
Naniwa is the equivalent to Eminem in the SC2 community.


I don't know if Luis Suarez has a history of jumping in and out of retirement, but there are some similarities there.
Cogito, ergo toss.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 18 2015 19:50 GMT
#447
On January 19 2015 04:38 corona_0489k wrote:
Naniwa is the equivalent to Eminem in the SC2 community.

I think Eminem does not get shat on by his peers?
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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
January 18 2015 19:55 GMT
#448
NaNiwa is more like Mark van Bommel I feel.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 19:56 GMT
#449
On January 19 2015 04:55 Boucot wrote:
NaNiwa is more like Mark van Bommel I feel.

Getting away with it?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 18 2015 20:02 GMT
#450
On January 19 2015 04:55 Boucot wrote:
NaNiwa is more like Mark van Bommel I feel.

Hmm pretty good. Lacks the "I'm a star" factor though.
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 20:03 GMT
#451
On January 19 2015 04:56 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 04:55 Boucot wrote:
NaNiwa is more like Mark van Bommel I feel.

Getting away with it?


Nah, he's not the Roman Polanski of Starcraft.
Cogito, ergo toss.
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
January 18 2015 20:11 GMT
#452
anyone know where to find the twitch vods of his wcs matches?
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
SamuelGreen
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden292 Posts
January 18 2015 20:13 GMT
#453
On January 19 2015 05:03 ClueClueClue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 04:56 Penev wrote:
On January 19 2015 04:55 Boucot wrote:
NaNiwa is more like Mark van Bommel I feel.

Getting away with it?


Nah, he's not the Roman Polanski of Starcraft.


More like the Michael Bay :-P
KonanTenshi
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden210 Posts
January 18 2015 20:15 GMT
#454
"Tefel as the worth player on earht"

Typo in one of the last sentences.
Curious
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 18 2015 20:16 GMT
#455
On January 19 2015 05:15 KonanTenshi wrote:
"Tefel as the worth player on earht"

Typo in one of the last sentences.

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NihilisticGod
Profile Joined March 2011
Northern Ireland174 Posts
January 18 2015 20:20 GMT
#456
He's like agent of Chaos :D
Too weird to live... too rare to die.
minilance
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada500 Posts
January 18 2015 20:25 GMT
#457
When is naniwa next game? I want to watch the drama unfold!
Bisu, Jangbang <3
Arghmyliver
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1077 Posts
January 18 2015 20:28 GMT
#458
Naniwa definitely has a short temper. It seems to me that because of his reputation, he is quickly demonized for any action that could be perceived as negative. Is it really that BM to complain about stream cheating or soundproofing when there is a legitimate issue? I love Naniwa for his raw talent, his ability to pick up the game seemingly without any effort. I love NaNiwa for being the only foreigner to consistently compete with the top Koreans. I love NaNiwa for beating MVP AND Nestea in macro games when they were both seemingly invincible. I love him for his acerbic wit and scathing commentary. He wears his heart on his sleeve, sure, but some people might say that trait is commendable. You certainly can't accuse him of being dishonest. I'm glad he's back. Gogo NaNiwa fighting!
Now witness their attempts to fly from tree to tree. Notice they do not so much fly as plummet.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 20:28 GMT
#459
On January 19 2015 05:25 minilance wrote:
When is naniwa next game? I want to watch the drama unfold!

I believe it's the 24th, against Godchio
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Alex007
Profile Joined December 2010
Ukraine211 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 20:45:19
January 18 2015 20:30 GMT
#460
On January 18 2015 22:31 messioso wrote:
The Russian stream had 0 delay beyond standard Twitch delay. If they didn't, I wouldn't have removed them.

On January 18 2015 22:40 messioso wrote:
I find it can range from anything to 10-50 seconds usually.

You were told like billion times that there was a delay but you are still writing everywhere that it was not. What is the goal of it? You're not the usual forum guy like some people here, you're the org who should be responsible for your own words. Are you trying to acquit your behavior when you kicked casters without any particular reason, just because NaNiwa wanted that to happen or are there any other reasons for that?
Here are the proofs if someone doesn't believe hundreds of russian viewers yet: VOD timing, where you can easily see, that there is a delay set in a Twitch panel. You can see that it is set to 2 minutes, which actually means that real delay was close to 3 mins (impossible to say exactly) due to standart Twitch encoding delay (And again: I agree that it was a bit less than on other streams - a minute or maybe even two - and blablabla, but that's not as important here as the fact that there was a delay big enough to prevent any sort of cheeting).
As for me, it's a shame that orgs of the biggest StarCraft 2 tournament sponsored by Blizzard are behaving in such a way. Please stop blaming casters left and right in every situation possible, it becomes too popular nowadays. You'd better deal with some players' manners...
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 20:33 GMT
#461
Wow, this thread.. Another plot twist? O_______________O Go Messi!
I Protoss winner, could it be?
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
January 18 2015 20:37 GMT
#462
--- Nuked ---
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 18 2015 20:40 GMT
#463
On January 19 2015 05:37 SatedSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 05:16 stuchiu wrote:
On January 19 2015 05:15 KonanTenshi wrote:
"Tefel as the worth player on earht"

Typo in one of the last sentences.

[image loading]

"Worst" and "worth" are not the same thing.

Lichter said earlier that it was intentional though. Why, we still don't know.
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Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
January 18 2015 20:43 GMT
#464
On January 19 2015 05:40 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 05:37 SatedSC2 wrote:
On January 19 2015 05:16 stuchiu wrote:
On January 19 2015 05:15 KonanTenshi wrote:
"Tefel as the worth player on earht"

Typo in one of the last sentences.

[image loading]

"Worst" and "worth" are not the same thing.

Lichter said earlier that it was intentional though. Why, we still don't know.

hmm. can't see the joke. pretty curious what the intention was
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
PepsiMaxxxx
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden5452 Posts
January 18 2015 20:44 GMT
#465
On January 19 2015 05:43 Undead1993 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 05:40 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 19 2015 05:37 SatedSC2 wrote:
On January 19 2015 05:16 stuchiu wrote:
On January 19 2015 05:15 KonanTenshi wrote:
"Tefel as the worth player on earht"

Typo in one of the last sentences.

[image loading]

"Worst" and "worth" are not the same thing.

Lichter said earlier that it was intentional though. Why, we still don't know.

hmm. can't see the joke. pretty curious what the intention was


We're to casual to understand.
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
January 18 2015 20:48 GMT
#466
really happy that naniwa's back, gonna watch more sc because of it. hope he can get back into top shape in time for wcs.
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
January 18 2015 21:02 GMT
#467
On January 19 2015 04:12 tomastaz wrote:
Poor Tefel


Why would you be sorry for the worst player on earht? He deserves it
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2716 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 21:10:30
January 18 2015 21:09 GMT
#468
On January 19 2015 06:02 hansonslee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 04:12 tomastaz wrote:
Poor Tefel


Why would you be sorry for the worst player on earht? He deserves it

earht is the alternate univese earth where everyone is a bonjwa in sc2 such that even the worst player on earht would a ten times GSL champion in this universe. It's a compliment :p Nani is merely regretting his miscalculate play against such a god.
very illegal and very uncool
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 21:10 GMT
#469
On January 19 2015 06:02 hansonslee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 04:12 tomastaz wrote:
Poor Tefel


Why would you be sorry for the worst player on earht? He deserves it

tuckfeffel
I Protoss winner, could it be?
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2517 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 21:18:01
January 18 2015 21:17 GMT
#470
On January 19 2015 04:38 corona_0489k wrote:
Naniwa is the equivalent to Eminem in the SC2 community.


Nah more like Kanye West. Highly controversial in the past years but still brilliant. At least in my opinion.
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
January 18 2015 21:25 GMT
#471
On January 19 2015 04:12 tomastaz wrote:
Poor Tefel


Why poor Tefel? He owned Nani in that match and thanks to Nani's rage at losing, Tefel is known throughout the entire Starcraft community as one of rather few guys who beat Nani when Nani was taking on Korea at full speed.
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
Emerson_H
Profile Joined March 2014
United States460 Posts
January 18 2015 21:32 GMT
#472
On January 18 2015 21:52 Liquid`TLO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 21:50 Penev wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:45 Flopgun wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]



From WCS Player Handbook:

Player Rules and Responsibilities
16.0
Player Code of Conduct

B.
Behavior – Players are required to behave in a sportsmanlike manner towards other competitors, members of the administration team, media, and fans.

17.0 Player Code of Conduct Offenses

B.
Violations of the Code of Conduct may vary including a warning, an immediate disqualification, removal from the tournament, and/or restriction from participation in future events.


https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/5WJHXI5A98CS1394665510029.pdf


If drawing inappropriate things with scans is not ok, then this can not be acceptable.

Meh, that's so last years handbook. Now everything goes!


THERE'S NO RULES! I declare myself winner of WCS 2015 season 1! WOOOH

Classic TLO
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 21:34 GMT
#473
On January 19 2015 06:17 JoeCool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 04:38 corona_0489k wrote:
Naniwa is the equivalent to Eminem in the SC2 community.


Nah more like Kanye West. Highly controversial in the past years but still brilliant. At least in my opinion.


I said'a blink, blunk, I'm blinkin',
I'm blinkin' without thinkin', baby, don't stop the all-in
cause a GG's what I'm playin' for
When I'm blinkin' to the rhytm, the beat
Cogito, ergo toss.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
January 18 2015 21:34 GMT
#474
finally, TLO world champion of starcraft!
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 21:44 GMT
#475
On January 19 2015 06:34 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
finally, TLO world champion of starcraft!

TargA challanged him. RIP TLO..
On January 18 2015 21:55 TargA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 21:52 Liquid`TLO wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:50 Penev wrote:
On January 18 2015 21:45 Flopgun wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:09 The_Templar wrote:
[image loading]



From WCS Player Handbook:

Player Rules and Responsibilities
16.0
Player Code of Conduct

B.
Behavior – Players are required to behave in a sportsmanlike manner towards other competitors, members of the administration team, media, and fans.

17.0 Player Code of Conduct Offenses

B.
Violations of the Code of Conduct may vary including a warning, an immediate disqualification, removal from the tournament, and/or restriction from participation in future events.


https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/5WJHXI5A98CS1394665510029.pdf


If drawing inappropriate things with scans is not ok, then this can not be acceptable.

Meh, that's so last years handbook. Now everything goes!


THERE'S NO RULES! I declare myself winner of WCS 2015 season 1! WOOOH


I also declare myself the winner of wcs 2015 season 1, we'll have to fight to the death for the title!


I Protoss winner, could it be?
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
January 18 2015 21:47 GMT
#476
On January 18 2015 21:52 Liquid`TLO wrote:

THERE'S NO RULES! I declare myself winner of WCS 2015 season 1! WOOOH


We always knew you had it in you, TLO. You just had to reach out and take it.
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 21:50 GMT
#477
Now what you see is not halluc; my stalkers have arrived
And they'll blink until the light of day, even if I'm gas deprived
See, I am the NaNiwa, and I would like to tweet hello
To the toss and the zerg and the terran out there, and a guy called Nerchio
But first I gotta flame flame, I glitter while I twitter
I'm not bitter, but I'm known to be a quitter
Let's rock, we don't stop till the manner nexi drop
Even if I flop, I'm bringin it over the top
Cogito, ergo toss.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 21:51 GMT
#478
On January 19 2015 06:50 ClueClueClue wrote:
Now what you see is not halluc; my stalkers have arrived
And they'll blink until the light of day, even if I'm gas deprived
See, I am the NaNiwa, and I would like to tweet hello
To the toss and the zerg and the terran out there, and a guy called Nerchio
But first I gotta flame flame, I glitter while I twitter
I'm not bitter, but I'm known to be a quitter
Let's rock, we don't stop till the manner nexi drop
Even if I flop, I'm bringin it over the top

#art
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Ziken
Profile Joined August 2010
Ghana1743 Posts
January 18 2015 21:52 GMT
#479
Awesome article, and so hyped to watch Naniwa play!!! Might even push me to watch live in the atrocious time zones I face, instead of VODs :p
Every misfortune is a blessing in disguise.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
January 18 2015 21:53 GMT
#480
On January 19 2015 06:50 ClueClueClue wrote:
Now what you see is not halluc; my stalkers have arrived
And they'll blink until the light of day, even if I'm gas deprived
See, I am the NaNiwa, and I would like to tweet hello
To the toss and the zerg and the terran out there, and a guy called Nerchio
But first I gotta flame flame, I glitter while I twitter
I'm not bitter, but I'm known to be a quitter
Let's rock, we don't stop till the manner nexi drop
Even if I flop, I'm bringin it over the top


voice of a generation
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 18 2015 21:54 GMT
#481
On January 19 2015 06:53 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 06:50 ClueClueClue wrote:
Now what you see is not halluc; my stalkers have arrived
And they'll blink until the light of day, even if I'm gas deprived
See, I am the NaNiwa, and I would like to tweet hello
To the toss and the zerg and the terran out there, and a guy called Nerchio
But first I gotta flame flame, I glitter while I twitter
I'm not bitter, but I'm known to be a quitter
Let's rock, we don't stop till the manner nexi drop
Even if I flop, I'm bringin it over the top


voice of a generation


Temp0, where are you? I wanna collab!
Cogito, ergo toss.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 18 2015 22:00 GMT
#482
On January 19 2015 06:34 ClueClueClue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 06:17 JoeCool wrote:
On January 19 2015 04:38 corona_0489k wrote:
Naniwa is the equivalent to Eminem in the SC2 community.


Nah more like Kanye West. Highly controversial in the past years but still brilliant. At least in my opinion.


I said'a blink, blunk, I'm blinkin',
I'm blinkin' without thinkin', baby, don't stop the all-in
cause a GG's what I'm playin' for
When I'm blinkin' to the rhytm, the beat

On January 19 2015 06:50 ClueClueClue wrote:
Now what you see is not halluc; my stalkers have arrived
And they'll blink until the light of day, even if I'm gas deprived
See, I am the NaNiwa, and I would like to tweet hello
To the toss and the zerg and the terran out there, and a guy called Nerchio
But first I gotta flame flame, I glitter while I twitter
I'm not bitter, but I'm known to be a quitter
Let's rock, we don't stop till the manner nexi drop
Even if I flop, I'm bringin it over the top

this thread getting better with each post
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 18 2015 22:02 GMT
#483
Still no DQ for Naniwa? wow
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 22:05 GMT
#484
On January 19 2015 07:02 boxerfred wrote:
Still no DQ for Naniwa? wow

Aah.. Boxer.. Fred.. Don't spoil the fun
I Protoss winner, could it be?
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 18 2015 22:06 GMT
#485
On January 19 2015 07:02 boxerfred wrote:
Still no DQ for Naniwa? wow

It won't happen. He's too popular. And it wasn't even THAT bad.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
January 18 2015 22:06 GMT
#486
On January 19 2015 07:02 boxerfred wrote:
Still no DQ for Naniwa? wow


Are you really expecting rules to be enforced against a player who'll bring tons of viewer ? (it could be nani or anyone for that matter, you can be pretty sure double standard will be applied)
Zest fanboy.
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
January 18 2015 22:09 GMT
#487
People come in waves, first Naniwa haters, then Naniwa defenders, then the cycle repeats
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
January 18 2015 22:10 GMT
#488
Rifkin should make such an epic showmatch happen.


Kane vs Nani, bmcity
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 22:11 GMT
#489
On January 19 2015 07:09 Nerchio wrote:
People come in waves, first Naniwa haters, then Naniwa defenders, then the cycle repeats

Gotta raise yet?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 22:16:20
January 18 2015 22:11 GMT
#490
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 19 2015 07:02 boxerfred wrote:
Still no DQ for Naniwa? wow


It's not like any of this is unprovoked. It's pretty unsportsmanlike to put money up for people to beat each other up, and to generally talk shit about nani in the first place, saying stuff like "he'll get boo'd into retirement".

If anything I'd expect both to get a slap for it.


Not that any of this matters because we're getting on the hype train and there IS NO BRAKES
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
January 18 2015 22:16 GMT
#491
It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player, and made into an article. Awful. Not sure if it is a slippery slope of regression for Starcraft or this site. Probably both.
LiangHao
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
January 18 2015 22:22 GMT
#492
Haha man, these articles...
I guess one never misses an occasion to put those Creative Writing 101 hard-earned skills in practice.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 18 2015 22:24 GMT
#493
On January 19 2015 07:16 Dracolich70 wrote:
It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player, and made into an article. Awful. Not sure if it is a slippery slope of regression for Starcraft or this site. Probably both.


Many would argue both. Especially the first one in my eyes. I haven't been around long enought to truely say anything about the second, but I do think this article was super unneccissary.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Philozovic
Profile Joined August 2012
France1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 22:40:41
January 18 2015 22:25 GMT
#494
Edit : wooops
INnoVation is the absolute best | I wept for i knew his words to be true
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
January 18 2015 22:25 GMT
#495
Necessary or not, I wouldn't be surprised if lichter and stuchiu are running some kind of conspiracy and we're all merely pawns.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
odem
Profile Joined August 2011
143 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 15:16:11
January 18 2015 22:27 GMT
#496
On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.


I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy


a "good person" lol. that would require a social iq above average mr. internet nerd. ur self proclaimed manners while insulting another pro gamer and flaming some guy back on a forum is so fake and pathetic its really sad to watch. plz stop embarrassing urself thx.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2101 Posts
January 18 2015 22:30 GMT
#497
On January 19 2015 07:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 07:16 Dracolich70 wrote:
It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player, and made into an article. Awful. Not sure if it is a slippery slope of regression for Starcraft or this site. Probably both.


Many would argue both. Especially the first one in my eyes. I haven't been around long enought to truely say anything about the second, but I do think this article was super unneccissary.

Oh c'mon. It's just fun humor on one of the most controversial SC2 players of all time. Plus, it helps to inform people that Naniwa is back from retirement.

And the Starcraft/E-sports scene has always been a sucker for player/team drama. People like seeing rage, insults, IRL fights between two scrawny players, etc.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 22:32:05
January 18 2015 22:31 GMT
#498
Another possibility is that the author just learned of the word "pariah" and decided to attach it to some rude guy playing video games. I can't blame him, "pariah" is a cool word.
krneki
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway237 Posts
January 18 2015 22:37 GMT
#499
how you feelin' there, lil nerch'?

you know you cant afford to lose to a "semi-pro no-skill" protoss?
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
January 18 2015 22:40 GMT
#500
Can you even be DQed for something you do that's not related to WCS?
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
January 18 2015 22:41 GMT
#501
On January 19 2015 07:37 krneki wrote:
how you feelin' there, lil nerch'?

you know you cant afford to lose to a "semi-pro no-skill" protoss?

If anybody here is semi-pro, it's me, lol ;p
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
KonanTenshi
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden210 Posts
January 18 2015 22:44 GMT
#502
On January 19 2015 05:37 SatedSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 05:16 stuchiu wrote:
On January 19 2015 05:15 KonanTenshi wrote:
"Tefel as the worth player on earht"

Typo in one of the last sentences.

[image loading]

"Worst" and "worth" are not the same thing.


Earht is spelled earth. Typo still exist.
Curious
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 22:45 GMT
#503
On January 19 2015 07:44 KonanTenshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 05:37 SatedSC2 wrote:
On January 19 2015 05:16 stuchiu wrote:
On January 19 2015 05:15 KonanTenshi wrote:
"Tefel as the worth player on earht"

Typo in one of the last sentences.

[image loading]

"Worst" and "worth" are not the same thing.


Earht is spelled earth. Typo still exist.

Read thread.. pls..
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
January 18 2015 22:47 GMT
#504
On January 19 2015 07:30 Blargh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 07:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:16 Dracolich70 wrote:
It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player, and made into an article. Awful. Not sure if it is a slippery slope of regression for Starcraft or this site. Probably both.


Many would argue both. Especially the first one in my eyes. I haven't been around long enought to truely say anything about the second, but I do think this article was super unneccissary.

Oh c'mon. It's just fun humor on one of the most controversial SC2 players of all time. Plus, it helps to inform people that Naniwa is back from retirement.

And the Starcraft/E-sports scene has always been a sucker for player/team drama. People like seeing rage, insults, IRL fights between two scrawny players, etc.
Not really. You are talking about the group of people that translate a traffic accident as entertainment in their empty lives, and lack the empathy to do nothing else but laugh.

eSport is not built on drama, but the games themselves. If not, it lacks quality in itself. Players should be treated with some respect, not targeted as fun humor.
LiangHao
BakedButters
Profile Joined November 2011
United States748 Posts
January 18 2015 22:48 GMT
#505
Hoping for Nerchio to send Nani to permanent retirement. Let's get it on!
Snute <3 Bomber <3 Parting <3 Life <3
Nimrod.519
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada19 Posts
January 18 2015 22:54 GMT
#506
On January 19 2015 07:47 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 07:30 Blargh wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:16 Dracolich70 wrote:
It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player, and made into an article. Awful. Not sure if it is a slippery slope of regression for Starcraft or this site. Probably both.


Many would argue both. Especially the first one in my eyes. I haven't been around long enought to truely say anything about the second, but I do think this article was super unneccissary.

Oh c'mon. It's just fun humor on one of the most controversial SC2 players of all time. Plus, it helps to inform people that Naniwa is back from retirement.

And the Starcraft/E-sports scene has always been a sucker for player/team drama. People like seeing rage, insults, IRL fights between two scrawny players, etc.
Not really. You are talking about the group of people that translate a traffic accident as entertainment in their empty lives, and lack the empathy to do nothing else but laugh.

eSport is not built on drama, but the games themselves. If not, it lacks quality in itself. Players should be treated with some respect, not targeted as fun humor.


Woah buddy, there's no need to incite people to run Naniwa over with a car, that's stepping wayyy over the boundaries.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 23:00:10
January 18 2015 22:55 GMT
#507
On January 19 2015 07:47 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 07:30 Blargh wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:16 Dracolich70 wrote:
It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player, and made into an article. Awful. Not sure if it is a slippery slope of regression for Starcraft or this site. Probably both.


Many would argue both. Especially the first one in my eyes. I haven't been around long enought to truely say anything about the second, but I do think this article was super unneccissary.

Oh c'mon. It's just fun humor on one of the most controversial SC2 players of all time. Plus, it helps to inform people that Naniwa is back from retirement.

And the Starcraft/E-sports scene has always been a sucker for player/team drama. People like seeing rage, insults, IRL fights between two scrawny players, etc.
Not really. You are talking about the group of people that translate a traffic accident as entertainment in their empty lives, and lack the empathy to do nothing else but laugh.

eSport is not built on drama, but the games themselves. If not, it lacks quality in itself. Players should be treated with some respect, not targeted as fun humor.

Haha, om my god; I think its you who's lacking some empathy xD
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 18 2015 23:01 GMT
#508
On January 19 2015 07:31 ZenithM wrote:
Another possibility is that the author just learned of the word "pariah" and decided to attach it to some rude guy playing video games. I can't blame him, "pariah" is a cool word.


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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-18 23:38:11
January 18 2015 23:34 GMT
#509
On January 19 2015 07:47 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 07:30 Blargh wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:16 Dracolich70 wrote:
It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player, and made into an article. Awful. Not sure if it is a slippery slope of regression for Starcraft or this site. Probably both.


Many would argue both. Especially the first one in my eyes. I haven't been around long enought to truely say anything about the second, but I do think this article was super unneccissary.

Oh c'mon. It's just fun humor on one of the most controversial SC2 players of all time. Plus, it helps to inform people that Naniwa is back from retirement.

And the Starcraft/E-sports scene has always been a sucker for player/team drama. People like seeing rage, insults, IRL fights between two scrawny players, etc.
Not really. You are talking about the group of people that translate a traffic accident as entertainment in their empty lives, and lack the empathy to do nothing else but laugh.

eSport is not built on drama, but the games themselves. If not, it lacks quality in itself. Players should be treated with some respect, not targeted as fun humor.

I agree its not build on drama, but the drama will attract more attention. When rivalries and grudges occur, the games become more entertaining.

Dana White understands how the drama can bring in more viewers; he signed Brock Lesnar for that very reason. Of course, the fighter/player has to have the skills necessary to enter the octagon/sit behind the screen.

I enjoy watching Naniwa because he is a beast at this game, but also because I want to see someone stomp him.

Is drama necessary to garner more attention? No. Will drama garner more attention? Yes.

I am not saying Starcraft 2 needs players like Naniwa and Idra, but when we do have these kinds of characters it makes the games more enjoyable.

To Naniwa, I wish you the best of luck, and I truly hope you make it to Premier league. I also hope that you get floor stomped in the Challenger league.

You are the only player that I will cheer and jeer. Keep on doing what you are doing. I am glad you are back.
Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
January 18 2015 23:42 GMT
#510
Man, Twitter's going to explode so fucking hard after the match.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 18 2015 23:44 GMT
#511
On January 19 2015 07:40 KingAlphard wrote:
Can you even be DQed for something you do that's not related to WCS?

Yes. Well, at least in 2014 you could..
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 00:17:42
January 18 2015 23:51 GMT
#512
On January 19 2015 07:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 07:16 Dracolich70 wrote:
It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player, and made into an article. Awful. Not sure if it is a slippery slope of regression for Starcraft or this site. Probably both.


Many would argue both. Especially the first one in my eyes. I haven't been around long enought to truely say anything about the second, but I do think this article was super unneccissary.

I have to respectfully disagree Guitars. This article is absolutely necessary. In fact, I was waiting for someone to do a write-up on his return.

Why do I feel its necessary? Because its Naniwa! I was hoping for a more polarized article totally bashing him, but instead we got a slightly unbiased piece that successfully shows Naniwa from two angles.

@Dracolich70, when Dana White signed Brock Lesnar, UFC wasn't in desperate times. It was prospering quite well.

The audience loves having a bad guy to hate, which is why WWE is so popular. Everyone knows its fake, but millions across the globe still loves watching it. Its a formula that has worked before, and works in esports.
tjtombo
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States295 Posts
January 19 2015 00:10 GMT
#513
The drama explosion is real. I love it xD
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 19 2015 00:36 GMT
#514
I like how so many people post to complain about the existence of this article while neglecting all the dozen articles we do each week.
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 19 2015 00:39 GMT
#515
On January 19 2015 09:36 lichter wrote:
I like how so many people post to complain about the existence of this article while neglecting all the dozen articles we do each week.

Hey, I read almost all of them.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 19 2015 00:39 GMT
#516
On January 19 2015 09:36 lichter wrote:
I like how so many people post to complain about the existence of this article while neglecting all the dozen articles we do each week.

There's an article?
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 01:02:21
January 19 2015 00:40 GMT
#517
the articles i like the most come from stuchiu, keep going it's always a nice read

i also found a decent representation of what could happen if naniwa and nerchio fight
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eVilo
Profile Joined January 2015
3 Posts
January 19 2015 00:51 GMT
#518
Avilo is definitely the NA version of Naniwa. Of course, avilo is even more "amazing" considering his level of skills. Has avilo ever qualified in anything yet??
Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
January 19 2015 00:51 GMT
#519
On January 18 2015 14:38 Mistakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:33 Circumstance wrote:
Under an hour, two pages, a spillover onto Twitter, and a grudge between two players already in Challenger.

Damn if the dude doesn't get people's attention.


Exactly! NaNi saving eSports. Rivalries galore! WE NEEDED THIS.


agreed
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Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
January 19 2015 00:57 GMT
#520
On January 19 2015 09:51 eVilo wrote:
Avilo is definitely the NA version of Naniwa. Of course, avilo is even more "amazing" considering his level of skills. Has avilo ever qualified in anything yet??



Avilo cant be the NA Naniwa cause he aint good.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 19 2015 00:59 GMT
#521
On January 19 2015 09:51 eVilo wrote:
Avilo is definitely the NA version of Naniwa. Of course, avilo is even more "amazing" considering his level of skills. Has avilo ever qualified in anything yet??

avilo has never done anything noteworthy, and Naniwa doesn't needlessly balance whine as much.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 19 2015 00:59 GMT
#522
On January 19 2015 09:36 lichter wrote:
I like how so many people post to complain about the existence of this article while neglecting all the dozen articles we do each week.

Fishing for compliments?
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 19 2015 01:00 GMT
#523
On January 19 2015 09:57 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 09:51 eVilo wrote:
Avilo is definitely the NA version of Naniwa. Of course, avilo is even more "amazing" considering his level of skills. Has avilo ever qualified in anything yet??



Avilo cant be the NA Naniwa cause he aint good.

Idra was the NA version.. RIP..
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 19 2015 01:00 GMT
#524
On January 19 2015 09:59 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 09:36 lichter wrote:
I like how so many people post to complain about the existence of this article while neglecting all the dozen articles we do each week.

Fishing for compliments?

lichter has good fashion sense AND writes about SC2, he deserves compliments
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 19 2015 01:01 GMT
#525
On January 19 2015 09:59 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 09:36 lichter wrote:
I like how so many people post to complain about the existence of this article while neglecting all the dozen articles we do each week.

Fishing for views?

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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 19 2015 01:01 GMT
#526
On January 19 2015 10:01 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 09:59 Shellshock wrote:
On January 19 2015 09:36 lichter wrote:
I like how so many people post to complain about the existence of this article while neglecting all the dozen articles we do each week.

Fishing for views?


Heh
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 19 2015 01:02 GMT
#527
On January 19 2015 10:00 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 09:59 Shellshock wrote:
On January 19 2015 09:36 lichter wrote:
I like how so many people post to complain about the existence of this article while neglecting all the dozen articles we do each week.

Fishing for compliments?

lichter has good fashion sense AND writes about SC2, he deserves compliments

Interesting taste in music too, and he listens to a FUCK TON of music.
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
January 19 2015 01:03 GMT
#528
On January 19 2015 09:57 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 09:51 eVilo wrote:
Avilo is definitely the NA version of Naniwa. Of course, avilo is even more "amazing" considering his level of skills. Has avilo ever qualified in anything yet??



Avilo cant be the NA Naniwa cause he aint good.

If Avilo ever smartened up and really tried to go pro, he could definitely be the NA Naniwa. He isn't great, but he is not a scrub either.

With that being said, I like watching Avilo get crushed. While I also enjoy watching Naniwa get crushed, I also enjoy watching Naniwa do the crushing.

Avilo is a ladder hero that complains about balance. Naniwa is the anti-hero that complains about soundbooth problems. Totally not the same.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 19 2015 01:04 GMT
#529
On January 19 2015 10:02 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 10:00 The_Templar wrote:
On January 19 2015 09:59 Shellshock wrote:
On January 19 2015 09:36 lichter wrote:
I like how so many people post to complain about the existence of this article while neglecting all the dozen articles we do each week.

Fishing for compliments?

lichter has good fashion sense AND writes about SC2, he deserves compliments

Interesting taste in music too, and he listens to a FUCK TON of music.

Playlist pls..
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 19 2015 01:06 GMT
#530
On January 19 2015 10:04 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 10:02 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 19 2015 10:00 The_Templar wrote:
On January 19 2015 09:59 Shellshock wrote:
On January 19 2015 09:36 lichter wrote:
I like how so many people post to complain about the existence of this article while neglecting all the dozen articles we do each week.

Fishing for compliments?

lichter has good fashion sense AND writes about SC2, he deserves compliments

Interesting taste in music too, and he listens to a FUCK TON of music.

Playlist pls..

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/473856-lichters-100-favorite-albums-of-2014
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
January 19 2015 01:12 GMT
#531
On January 19 2015 08:42 Sakray wrote:
Man, Twitter's going to explode so fucking hard after the match.

just for this i'm gonna cheer for nerchio :D
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
January 19 2015 01:15 GMT
#532
On January 19 2015 10:12 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 08:42 Sakray wrote:
Man, Twitter's going to explode so fucking hard after the match.

just for this i'm gonna cheer for nerchio :D

i hope he wins all three games with swarm hosts
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 19 2015 01:16 GMT
#533
On January 19 2015 10:06 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 10:04 Penev wrote:
On January 19 2015 10:02 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 19 2015 10:00 The_Templar wrote:
On January 19 2015 09:59 Shellshock wrote:
On January 19 2015 09:36 lichter wrote:
I like how so many people post to complain about the existence of this article while neglecting all the dozen articles we do each week.

Fishing for compliments?

lichter has good fashion sense AND writes about SC2, he deserves compliments

Interesting taste in music too, and he listens to a FUCK TON of music.

Playlist pls..

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/473856-lichters-100-favorite-albums-of-2014

Ok. Tnx. Wow.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 19 2015 01:19 GMT
#534
On January 19 2015 10:15 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 10:12 Makro wrote:
On January 19 2015 08:42 Sakray wrote:
Man, Twitter's going to explode so fucking hard after the match.

just for this i'm gonna cheer for nerchio :D

i hope he wins all three games with swarm hosts

I hope he goes SH and still loses. It would be hilarious.
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eVilo
Profile Joined January 2015
3 Posts
January 19 2015 01:21 GMT
#535
On January 19 2015 10:03 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 09:57 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
On January 19 2015 09:51 eVilo wrote:
Avilo is definitely the NA version of Naniwa. Of course, avilo is even more "amazing" considering his level of skills. Has avilo ever qualified in anything yet??



Avilo cant be the NA Naniwa cause he aint good.

If Avilo ever smartened up and really tried to go pro, he could definitely be the NA Naniwa. He isn't great, but he is not a scrub either.

With that being said, I like watching Avilo get crushed. While I also enjoy watching Naniwa get crushed, I also enjoy watching Naniwa do the crushing.

Avilo is a ladder hero that complains about balance. Naniwa is the anti-hero that complains about soundbooth problems. Totally not the same.


Avilo is a ladder hero and a maphack detective even better than Sherlock. It was revealed in avilo's stream that Polt maphacked on NA ladder (if you really believe what avilo claimed). He is a hero for complaining everything except terran and mass ravens. He is a hero coz he never loses to good players but only bad players, maphackers and streamsnipers.
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
January 19 2015 01:26 GMT
#536
On January 19 2015 10:21 eVilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 10:03 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
On January 19 2015 09:57 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
On January 19 2015 09:51 eVilo wrote:
Avilo is definitely the NA version of Naniwa. Of course, avilo is even more "amazing" considering his level of skills. Has avilo ever qualified in anything yet??



Avilo cant be the NA Naniwa cause he aint good.

If Avilo ever smartened up and really tried to go pro, he could definitely be the NA Naniwa. He isn't great, but he is not a scrub either.

With that being said, I like watching Avilo get crushed. While I also enjoy watching Naniwa get crushed, I also enjoy watching Naniwa do the crushing.

Avilo is a ladder hero that complains about balance. Naniwa is the anti-hero that complains about soundbooth problems. Totally not the same.


Avilo is a ladder hero and a maphack detective even better than Sherlock. It was revealed in avilo's stream that Polt maphacked on NA ladder (if you really believe what avilo claimed). He is a hero for complaining everything except terran and mass ravens. He is a hero coz he never loses to good players but only bad players, maphackers and streamsnipers.

Whether he can reliably detect a maphacker is irrelevant.

Regarding the part I bolded, if he loses to bad players, what does that make him?

Honestly, I don't even know why I am entertaining the trolls. You are probably Avilo himself trying to shamelessly promote yourself.

Please don't answer my question, because I will now stop replying to any of your comments.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 19 2015 01:31 GMT
#537
This thread. People this thread. Rejoice
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radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 01:35:25
January 19 2015 01:32 GMT
#538
I'm interested in why the author "wouldn't have it any other way" with regards to who Naniwa is. This directly implies that he finds value and importance in the negativity, intense flaming, and emotional drama Naniwa creates, which is actually a pretty shocking statement on its own. Now I would agree that drama can be pretty exciting, just like a TV show, but when its all said and done I think the world is a better place without Naniwa's acerbic personality.
Koektrommel
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands47 Posts
January 19 2015 01:38 GMT
#539
On January 19 2015 10:26 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 10:21 eVilo wrote:
On January 19 2015 10:03 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
On January 19 2015 09:57 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
On January 19 2015 09:51 eVilo wrote:
Avilo is definitely the NA version of Naniwa. Of course, avilo is even more "amazing" considering his level of skills. Has avilo ever qualified in anything yet??



Avilo cant be the NA Naniwa cause he aint good.

If Avilo ever smartened up and really tried to go pro, he could definitely be the NA Naniwa. He isn't great, but he is not a scrub either.

With that being said, I like watching Avilo get crushed. While I also enjoy watching Naniwa get crushed, I also enjoy watching Naniwa do the crushing.

Avilo is a ladder hero that complains about balance. Naniwa is the anti-hero that complains about soundbooth problems. Totally not the same.


Avilo is a ladder hero and a maphack detective even better than Sherlock. It was revealed in avilo's stream that Polt maphacked on NA ladder (if you really believe what avilo claimed). He is a hero for complaining everything except terran and mass ravens. He is a hero coz he never loses to good players but only bad players, maphackers and streamsnipers.

Whether he can reliably detect a maphacker is irrelevant.

Regarding the part I bolded, if he loses to bad players, what does that make him?

Honestly, I don't even know why I am entertaining the trolls. You are probably Avilo himself trying to shamelessly promote yourself.

Please don't answer my question, because I will now stop replying to any of your comments.


---- Sarcasm --->

Your head.
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
January 19 2015 01:38 GMT
#540
can dingit sponsor a Naniwa vs Kane showmatch?
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
January 19 2015 01:39 GMT
#541
This thread has everything. Naniwa, Nerchio, other pros, bad grammar insults, drama, rap skills :D I don't really like Naniwa but damn, this forum feels so alive right now :-O
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
January 19 2015 01:41 GMT
#542
On January 19 2015 10:38 Koektrommel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 10:26 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
On January 19 2015 10:21 eVilo wrote:
On January 19 2015 10:03 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
On January 19 2015 09:57 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
On January 19 2015 09:51 eVilo wrote:
Avilo is definitely the NA version of Naniwa. Of course, avilo is even more "amazing" considering his level of skills. Has avilo ever qualified in anything yet??



Avilo cant be the NA Naniwa cause he aint good.

If Avilo ever smartened up and really tried to go pro, he could definitely be the NA Naniwa. He isn't great, but he is not a scrub either.

With that being said, I like watching Avilo get crushed. While I also enjoy watching Naniwa get crushed, I also enjoy watching Naniwa do the crushing.

Avilo is a ladder hero that complains about balance. Naniwa is the anti-hero that complains about soundbooth problems. Totally not the same.


Avilo is a ladder hero and a maphack detective even better than Sherlock. It was revealed in avilo's stream that Polt maphacked on NA ladder (if you really believe what avilo claimed). He is a hero for complaining everything except terran and mass ravens. He is a hero coz he never loses to good players but only bad players, maphackers and streamsnipers.

Whether he can reliably detect a maphacker is irrelevant.

Regarding the part I bolded, if he loses to bad players, what does that make him?

Honestly, I don't even know why I am entertaining the trolls. You are probably Avilo himself trying to shamelessly promote yourself.

Please don't answer my question, because I will now stop replying to any of your comments.


---- Sarcasm --->

Your head.

Oh.

Moving on, I really want to see if Naniwa can deal with swarm hosts. I don't know much about Nerchio's sh usage, but I haven't seen many protoss that can reliably deal with sh that doesn't turn into the biggest snorefest ever.

I do not want to see Nerchio go sh every game. If I wanted to be in a coma, I could think of easier and less painful ways.
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
January 19 2015 01:46 GMT
#543
On January 19 2015 10:39 TheNewEra wrote:
This thread has everything. Naniwa, Nerchio, other pros, bad grammar insults, drama, rap skills :D I don't really like Naniwa but damn, this forum feels so alive right now :-O

And this is exactly what I meant with my previous post,
On January 19 2015 08:34 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
I agree its not build on drama, but the drama will attract more attention. When rivalries and grudges occur, the games become more entertaining.

Dana White understands how the drama can bring in more viewers; he signed Brock Lesnar for that very reason. Of course, the fighter/player has to have the skills necessary to enter the octagon/sit behind the screen.

I enjoy watching Naniwa because he is a beast at this game, but also because I want to see someone stomp him.

Is drama necessary to garner more attention? No. Will drama garner more attention? Yes.

I am not saying Starcraft 2 needs players like Naniwa and Idra, but when we do have these kinds of characters it makes the games more enjoyable.

To Naniwa, I wish you the best of luck, and I truly hope you make it to Premier league. I also hope that you get floor stomped in the Challenger league.

You are the only player that I will cheer and jeer. Keep on doing what you are doing. I am glad you are back.

Naniwa is the only player that can generate this much buzz by himself. Sure some players have history against certain opponents (Huk vs Hyun, Bomber vs Polt, Scarlett vs Parting), but Naniwa himself generates so much buzz it doesn't matter who he plays against.

But playing against Nerchio makes this match all the more exciting.

I want to see 5 games of absolute awesomeness, and i will be happy if Naniwa loses or wins.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
January 19 2015 01:51 GMT
#544
On January 19 2015 10:32 radscorpion9 wrote:
I'm interested in why the author "wouldn't have it any other way" with regards to who Naniwa is. This directly implies that he finds value and importance in the negativity, intense flaming, and emotional drama Naniwa creates, which is actually a pretty shocking statement on its own. Now I would agree that drama can be pretty exciting, just like a TV show, but when its all said and done I think the world is a better place without Naniwa's acerbic personality.



The thing is, even if the drama he creates sounds bad, its drama that is actually good for the game.

Like, for example, maybe ESL (or dreamhack) made better their soudproffing after naniwa statements.

After the probe rush thing, GSL stopped having playings playing stupid unnecessary matches.

And the other stuff, yeh, maybe it sounds bad, but it generates hype, viewers, passion, storylines etc. He really hans't done anythhing really bad like match fixing or anything, and so, i also wouldn't have it any other way.

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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
January 19 2015 01:53 GMT
#545
also if naniwa somehow beats king artur i hope he faces polt in the round of 32 and he sends him to retirement, racking up that kill count for polt to 3.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 19 2015 01:58 GMT
#546
On January 19 2015 10:53 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
also if naniwa somehow beats king artur i hope he faces polt in the round of 32 and he sends him to retirement, racking up that kill count for polt to 3.

Seems less interesting if it's a repeat kill though
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
January 19 2015 01:59 GMT
#547
I always stuck behind NaNiWa, and he'd pretty much have to throw a baby in front of a moving train for me to stop being a fan. He's awesome.
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
January 19 2015 02:39 GMT
#548
On January 19 2015 10:58 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 10:53 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
also if naniwa somehow beats king artur i hope he faces polt in the round of 32 and he sends him to retirement, racking up that kill count for polt to 3.

Seems less interesting if it's a repeat kill though

yeah true, polt needs to step up his foreigner career ending game. wouldn't be surprised if scarlett was next tbh
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 19 2015 04:59 GMT
#549
I've really missed threads like this, It's so good to have Naniwa back.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 19 2015 05:15 GMT
#550
On January 19 2015 10:58 Shellshock wrote:
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On January 19 2015 10:53 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
also if naniwa somehow beats king artur i hope he faces polt in the round of 32 and he sends him to retirement, racking up that kill count for polt to 3.

Seems less interesting if it's a repeat kill though

That makes it more interesting for me
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 19 2015 05:47 GMT
#551
On January 19 2015 14:15 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 10:58 Shellshock wrote:
On January 19 2015 10:53 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
also if naniwa somehow beats king artur i hope he faces polt in the round of 32 and he sends him to retirement, racking up that kill count for polt to 3.

Seems less interesting if it's a repeat kill though

That makes it more interesting for me

Boy, you guys are fatalistic
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moofang
Profile Joined June 2011
508 Posts
January 19 2015 06:27 GMT
#552
On January 19 2015 13:59 Dodgin wrote:
I've really missed threads like this, It's so good to have Naniwa back.


As ironic as that might sound I can't agree more. Just like old times ^^
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 06:47:30
January 19 2015 06:40 GMT
#553
I actually wonder whether age correlates to whether someone likes Naniwa (or Idra, for that matter) or not. I can imagine teenagers liking his 'rebellious' attitude but (working) adults being annoyed by his constant unprofessionalism and childish behaviour.

As for me, I had hoped people like him and Idra left the scene altogether. People like them are just toxic.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2101 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 06:47:36
January 19 2015 06:45 GMT
#554
On January 19 2015 15:40 maartendq wrote:
I actually wonder whether age correlates to whether someone likes Naniwa or not. I can imagine teenagers liking his 'rebellious' attitude but (working) adults being annoyed by his constant unprofessionalism and childish behaviour.

As for me, I had hoped people like him and Idra left the scene altogether. People like them are just toxic.

It's that "toxicity" that keeps e-sports interesting. If I had to guess, Naniwa and Idra are two of the biggest contributors to the Starcraft 2 scene.

If you are interested, I am 21 years old, and I care far less about personalities than many people do. I care way more about skill and actual talent, which is why I liked Idra and Naniwa. Both were stubborn as hell, and both were genuine competitors.
tar
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
January 19 2015 06:59 GMT
#555
On January 19 2015 15:40 maartendq wrote:
I actually wonder whether age correlates to whether someone likes Naniwa (or Idra, for that matter) or not. I can imagine teenagers liking his 'rebellious' attitude but (working) adults being annoyed by his constant unprofessionalism and childish behaviour.

As for me, I had hoped people like him and Idra left the scene altogether. People like them are just toxic.


It might be the other way round though: Youngsters take things way to seriously, while ppl a little older become more relaxed and just enjoy the show without fearing for sc2 and the integrity of all eSports to break down
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 19 2015 07:04 GMT
#556
On January 19 2015 10:59 ninazerg wrote:
I always stuck behind NaNiWa, and he'd pretty much have to throw a baby in front of a moving train for me to stop being a fan. He's awesome.


I dunno about that. Maybe the baby tweeted something objectionable on Twitter. So then NaNiwa would be perfectly justified in throwing the baby in front of the train.

I hope NaNiwa doesn't just lose to Nerchio if only because that would be really anticlimactic.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
January 19 2015 07:05 GMT
#557
I think it correlates with socioeconomic factors. Street credit gangsters won't be upset by his behaviour. Snobbish academics will.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
January 19 2015 07:07 GMT
#558
On January 19 2015 15:45 Blargh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 15:40 maartendq wrote:
I actually wonder whether age correlates to whether someone likes Naniwa or not. I can imagine teenagers liking his 'rebellious' attitude but (working) adults being annoyed by his constant unprofessionalism and childish behaviour.

As for me, I had hoped people like him and Idra left the scene altogether. People like them are just toxic.

It's that "toxicity" that keeps e-sports interesting. If I had to guess, Naniwa and Idra are two of the biggest contributors to the Starcraft 2 scene.

If you are interested, I am 21 years old, and I care far less about personalities than many people do. I care way more about skill and actual talent, which is why I liked Idra and Naniwa. Both were stubborn as hell, and both were genuine competitors.

Idra (and all foreign ex-BW pros) got pushed into irrelevance as soon as they could no longer use their BW mechanics to their advantage and other people caught up. Naniwa definitely had the skill and the perseverance to compete even with the top Koreans, but he was far from the only one. Thorzain, Scarlett, Huk, and Stephano were on the same level as well, and had far more pleasant personalities.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 19 2015 07:27 GMT
#559
On January 19 2015 16:05 Cascade wrote:
I think it correlates with socioeconomic factors. Street credit gangsters won't be upset by his behaviour. Snobbish academics will.

I'm sorry but I can't help but notice you just said "street credit gangsters"
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 19 2015 07:29 GMT
#560
On January 19 2015 15:45 Blargh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 15:40 maartendq wrote:
I actually wonder whether age correlates to whether someone likes Naniwa or not. I can imagine teenagers liking his 'rebellious' attitude but (working) adults being annoyed by his constant unprofessionalism and childish behaviour.

As for me, I had hoped people like him and Idra left the scene altogether. People like them are just toxic.

It's that "toxicity" that keeps e-sports interesting. If I had to guess, Naniwa and Idra are two of the biggest contributors to the Starcraft 2 scene.

If you are interested, I am 21 years old, and I care far less about personalities than many people do. I care way more about skill and actual talent, which is why I liked Idra and Naniwa. Both were stubborn as hell, and both were genuine competitors.

Well, I guess it's the eternal skill vs drama debate. I personally don't think that that "toxicity" is good for the scene, I think a scene is healthy when the players' skill is high and their drama low (compare the NA pro scene with the KR one), but apparently many do think the other way.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19225 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 09:08:14
January 19 2015 09:07 GMT
#561
On January 19 2015 10:59 ninazerg wrote:
I always stuck behind NaNiWa, and he'd pretty much have to throw a baby in front of a moving train for me to stop being a fan. He's awesome.

I always stuck behind ninazerg, and she'd pretty much have to throw Naniwa in front of a moving train for me to stop being a fan. She's awesome.
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Picasso
Profile Joined October 2013
Korea (South)52 Posts
January 19 2015 09:40 GMT
#562
On January 19 2015 10:51 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
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On January 19 2015 10:32 radscorpion9 wrote:
I'm interested in why the author "wouldn't have it any other way" with regards to who Naniwa is. This directly implies that he finds value and importance in the negativity, intense flaming, and emotional drama Naniwa creates, which is actually a pretty shocking statement on its own. Now I would agree that drama can be pretty exciting, just like a TV show, but when its all said and done I think the world is a better place without Naniwa's acerbic personality.



The thing is, even if the drama he creates sounds bad, its drama that is actually good for the game.

Like, for example, maybe ESL (or dreamhack) made better their soudproffing after naniwa statements.

After the probe rush thing, GSL stopped having playings playing stupid unnecessary matches.

And the other stuff, yeh, maybe it sounds bad, but it generates hype, viewers, passion, storylines etc. He really hans't done anythhing really bad like match fixing or anything, and so, i also wouldn't have it any other way.



gotta say I agree so strongly with this guy. Long live NaNiwa's SC2 career
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Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1206 Posts
January 19 2015 09:46 GMT
#563
Looking forward to NaNis comeback!!
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
January 19 2015 10:00 GMT
#564
On January 19 2015 16:27 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 16:05 Cascade wrote:
I think it correlates with socioeconomic factors. Street credit gangsters won't be upset by his behaviour. Snobbish academics will.

I'm sorry but I can't help but notice you just said "street credit gangsters"

I guess that classifies me as a snobbish academic?
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
January 19 2015 10:28 GMT
#565
On January 19 2015 16:29 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 15:45 Blargh wrote:
On January 19 2015 15:40 maartendq wrote:
I actually wonder whether age correlates to whether someone likes Naniwa or not. I can imagine teenagers liking his 'rebellious' attitude but (working) adults being annoyed by his constant unprofessionalism and childish behaviour.

As for me, I had hoped people like him and Idra left the scene altogether. People like them are just toxic.

It's that "toxicity" that keeps e-sports interesting. If I had to guess, Naniwa and Idra are two of the biggest contributors to the Starcraft 2 scene.

If you are interested, I am 21 years old, and I care far less about personalities than many people do. I care way more about skill and actual talent, which is why I liked Idra and Naniwa. Both were stubborn as hell, and both were genuine competitors.

Well, I guess it's the eternal skill vs drama debate. I personally don't think that that "toxicity" is good for the scene, I think a scene is healthy when the players' skill is high and their drama low (compare the NA pro scene with the KR one), but apparently many do think the other way.

Wow so much hate for NA. We all play the same game. How do you know there is no drama in Korea? Trust me, there is. It just doesn't make its way overseas all the time. If you're implying a correlation between drama and low skill, I think you're horribly mistaken.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 19 2015 10:39 GMT
#566
On January 19 2015 19:28 TRaFFiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 16:29 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 19 2015 15:45 Blargh wrote:
On January 19 2015 15:40 maartendq wrote:
I actually wonder whether age correlates to whether someone likes Naniwa or not. I can imagine teenagers liking his 'rebellious' attitude but (working) adults being annoyed by his constant unprofessionalism and childish behaviour.

As for me, I had hoped people like him and Idra left the scene altogether. People like them are just toxic.

It's that "toxicity" that keeps e-sports interesting. If I had to guess, Naniwa and Idra are two of the biggest contributors to the Starcraft 2 scene.

If you are interested, I am 21 years old, and I care far less about personalities than many people do. I care way more about skill and actual talent, which is why I liked Idra and Naniwa. Both were stubborn as hell, and both were genuine competitors.

Well, I guess it's the eternal skill vs drama debate. I personally don't think that that "toxicity" is good for the scene, I think a scene is healthy when the players' skill is high and their drama low (compare the NA pro scene with the KR one), but apparently many do think the other way.

Wow so much hate for NA. We all play the same game. How do you know there is no drama in Korea? Trust me, there is. It just doesn't make its way overseas all the time. If you're implying a correlation between drama and low skill, I think you're horribly mistaken.

I'm not hating on NA, there was a video some times ago in which NA players themselves (Kane and Suppy iirc?) were saying that the NA scene was more concerned about drama than about the game itself. Sorry if I have misunderstood that video though. And there is probably drama in Korea ofc, but there are no twitter wars like here, no very visible drama.
There is obviously little to no correlation between drama and low skill, Naniwa being the living proof of that. I just think that in general when people care more about drama they care less about the games and vice versa.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 19 2015 10:44 GMT
#567
If anything drama in Korea is much much much worse
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SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
January 19 2015 11:03 GMT
#568
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maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
January 19 2015 11:34 GMT
#569
On January 19 2015 19:00 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 16:27 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 19 2015 16:05 Cascade wrote:
I think it correlates with socioeconomic factors. Street credit gangsters won't be upset by his behaviour. Snobbish academics will.

I'm sorry but I can't help but notice you just said "street credit gangsters"

I guess that classifies me as a snobbish academic?

Nothing wrong with having high standards when it comes to manners, as far as I know.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 19 2015 11:44 GMT
#570
On January 19 2015 19:00 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 16:27 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 19 2015 16:05 Cascade wrote:
I think it correlates with socioeconomic factors. Street credit gangsters won't be upset by his behaviour. Snobbish academics will.

I'm sorry but I can't help but notice you just said "street credit gangsters"

I guess that classifies me as a snobbish academic?

Let the bloody plebs talk.
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 13:12:13
January 19 2015 13:05 GMT
#571
On January 19 2015 07:41 Nerchio wrote:
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On January 19 2015 07:37 krneki wrote:
how you feelin' there, lil nerch'?

you know you cant afford to lose to a "semi-pro no-skill" protoss?

If anybody here is semi-pro, it's me, lol ;p


You're are earning your respect man, keep it on!
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 19 2015 13:13 GMT
#572

go it go it go
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2214 Posts
January 19 2015 13:48 GMT
#573
What a thread.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
January 19 2015 14:10 GMT
#574
On January 19 2015 09:59 The_Templar wrote:
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On January 19 2015 09:51 eVilo wrote:
Avilo is definitely the NA version of Naniwa. Of course, avilo is even more "amazing" considering his level of skills. Has avilo ever qualified in anything yet??

avilo has never done anything noteworthy, and Naniwa doesn't needlessly balance whine as much.

That's why he said the NA version.
Sakkreth
Profile Joined February 2011
Lithuania1096 Posts
January 19 2015 15:41 GMT
#575
On January 19 2015 23:10 ZenithM wrote:
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On January 19 2015 09:59 The_Templar wrote:
On January 19 2015 09:51 eVilo wrote:
Avilo is definitely the NA version of Naniwa. Of course, avilo is even more "amazing" considering his level of skills. Has avilo ever qualified in anything yet??

avilo has never done anything noteworthy, and Naniwa doesn't needlessly balance whine as much.

That's why he said the NA version.


Hahahaha well said sir.
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 16:14:01
January 19 2015 16:10 GMT
#576
On January 19 2015 08:01 Big J wrote:
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On January 19 2015 07:31 ZenithM wrote:
Another possibility is that the author just learned of the word "pariah" and decided to attach it to some rude guy playing video games. I can't blame him, "pariah" is a cool word.


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Also a really cool necron unit, which was sadly scrapped.
I always stuck behind NaNiWa, and he'd pretty much have to throw a baby in front of a moving train for me to stop being a fan. He's awesome.

Why would this stop you from being a fan? It's just Swedish culture.
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mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey779 Posts
January 19 2015 16:28 GMT
#577
I don't know when and where is the Nani vs Nerchio match and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 16:33:05
January 19 2015 16:32 GMT
#578
On January 20 2015 01:28 mantequilla wrote:
I don't know when and where is the Nani vs Nerchio match and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.

When is January 24, 2015 - 21:00 CET. Where will probably be here : http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_europe or here : http://www.twitch.tv/wcs
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Spect8rCraft
Profile Joined December 2012
649 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 16:49:22
January 19 2015 16:33 GMT
#579
On January 20 2015 01:28 mantequilla wrote:
I don't know when and where is the Nani vs Nerchio match and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.


Just check the WCS page. He's playing on day 3.

Edit: Well, beat to the punch. And with better intel no less.
SkrollK
Profile Joined January 2015
France580 Posts
January 19 2015 18:48 GMT
#580
On January 19 2015 18:07 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 10:59 ninazerg wrote:
I always stuck behind NaNiWa, and he'd pretty much have to throw a baby in front of a moving train for me to stop being a fan. He's awesome.

I always stuck behind ninazerg, and she'd pretty much have to throw Naniwa in front of a moving train for me to stop being a fan. She's awesome.


That one was bloody epic tho xD

Nice read, and keep up the good work writers

BTW, this thread is frickin' awesome.
Season
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States301 Posts
January 19 2015 19:10 GMT
#581
On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote:
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On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.


I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy


That's a pretty hypocritical statement right there.. Attacking both Naniwa and a random TL fan in back to back sentences. What makes you any better of a person? I fail to see it
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1839 Posts
January 19 2015 19:13 GMT
#582
On January 20 2015 04:10 Season wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.


I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy


That's a pretty hypocritical statement right there.. Attacking both Naniwa and a random TL fan in back to back sentences. What makes you any better of a person? I fail to see it

Yeah plus that at the end of the sentence really adds to the insult imo. I love the banter between the pros but wish the fans would be left out of it.

Region lock and the return of Naniwa have me hyped as fuck for this year.
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Enel
Profile Joined April 2012
Sudan430 Posts
January 19 2015 20:02 GMT
#583
Naniwa for blizzcon champion 2015
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igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
January 19 2015 20:12 GMT
#584
Couldn't be happier
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 19 2015 20:13 GMT
#585
On January 20 2015 05:12 igay wrote:
Couldn't be happier

you could almost say you're gay!
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Naikonz
Profile Joined October 2014
Romania65 Posts
January 19 2015 20:18 GMT
#586
mYiKane: You are not a good enough player to be insulting people like that. Also, you are an embarrassment to your team and your country with no significant results in your career. Can't wait for the Colonel qxc to kick the living shit out of you.

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Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
January 19 2015 20:39 GMT
#587
Naniwa is good for the scene, period.
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nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
January 19 2015 20:51 GMT
#588
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

easy to avoid the main point when the supporting argument is weak.

love western argumentation
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DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
January 19 2015 20:58 GMT
#589
Have to admit I got some goosebumps reading the article. Very good read! Naniwa made SC2 interesting no matter if you hate or love him and in the end that's all that matters.

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icydergosu
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
528 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 21:25:24
January 19 2015 21:24 GMT
#590
Just look at NaNiwa's face. The face of a thinker, a warrior, a man for all seasons. Yes, NaNiwa is all that and more but he is not perfect. Perhaps his greatest flaw is that he is too selfless, he cares too much for his fellow Brotoss with nary a thought for himself. A man of limitless accomplishments and unbridled modesty.

I can safely say that to know him is to love him and to love him is to know him. Those who know him love him while those who do not know him love him from afar.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 21:56:14
January 19 2015 21:54 GMT
#591
On January 20 2015 06:24 icydergosu wrote:
Just look at NaNiwa's face. The face of a thinker, a warrior, a man for all seasons. Yes, NaNiwa is all that and more but he is not perfect. Perhaps his greatest flaw is that he is too selfless, he cares too much for his fellow Brotoss with nary a thought for himself. A man of limitless accomplishments and unbridled modesty.

I can safely say that to know him is to love him and to love him is to know him. Those who know him love him while those who do not know him love him from afar.

Greatest single post in this thread. And there's been quite a few contenders.
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rewired
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada630 Posts
January 19 2015 22:23 GMT
#592
Honestly I never used to care about Naniwa, then I realized that I just didn't follow Sc2 anymore. I was bored watching the game and had moved on. But I still found myself watching Naniwa matches cause he almost always found a way to piss his opponent or a bunch of fans off.

Turns out I had been such a secret Naniwa fan that I didn't even know it myself. He combines high skill with making the game more interesting by creating storylines in all his matches. Hell he even creates stories out of his ladder struggles by declaring war on Blizzard and Swarm Hosts.

All hail the Naniwa!!!.....I guess.
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BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
January 19 2015 23:03 GMT
#593
Maybe somone at Blizzards SC2 unit is into wrestling, they could make Naniwa vs Nerchio a career vs career no holds barred match. Looser goes into retirement, everything is allowed (disconnecting opponents keyboard, stream-cheating, ddos attacks). Could really push this to the next level
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 19 2015 23:10 GMT
#594
NaNiwa might be bad, but he's perfectly good at it.
Cogito, ergo toss.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28472 Posts
January 19 2015 23:14 GMT
#595
NaNiwa vs The World? NaNiwins. EZ
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Profile Joined July 2013
Netherlands32 Posts
January 19 2015 23:29 GMT
#596
To NaNiwalk or NaNiwalk away, that is the question.
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 19 2015 23:58 GMT
#597
He can talk the NaNitalk, but can he walk the NaNiwalk?
Cogito, ergo toss.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 00:09:52
January 20 2015 00:05 GMT
#598
On January 19 2015 08:34 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 07:47 Dracolich70 wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:30 Blargh wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:16 Dracolich70 wrote:
It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player, and made into an article. Awful. Not sure if it is a slippery slope of regression for Starcraft or this site. Probably both.


Many would argue both. Especially the first one in my eyes. I haven't been around long enought to truely say anything about the second, but I do think this article was super unneccissary.

Oh c'mon. It's just fun humor on one of the most controversial SC2 players of all time. Plus, it helps to inform people that Naniwa is back from retirement.

And the Starcraft/E-sports scene has always been a sucker for player/team drama. People like seeing rage, insults, IRL fights between two scrawny players, etc.
Not really. You are talking about the group of people that translate a traffic accident as entertainment in their empty lives, and lack the empathy to do nothing else but laugh.

eSport is not built on drama, but the games themselves. If not, it lacks quality in itself. Players should be treated with some respect, not targeted as fun humor.

I agree its not build on drama, but the drama will attract more attention. When rivalries and grudges occur, the games become more entertaining.

Dana White understands how the drama can bring in more viewers; he signed Brock Lesnar for that very reason. Of course, the fighter/player has to have the skills necessary to enter the octagon/sit behind the screen.

I enjoy watching Naniwa because he is a beast at this game, but also because I want to see someone stomp him.

Is drama necessary to garner more attention? No. Will drama garner more attention? Yes.

I am not saying Starcraft 2 needs players like Naniwa and Idra, but when we do have these kinds of characters it makes the games more enjoyable.

To Naniwa, I wish you the best of luck, and I truly hope you make it to Premier league. I also hope that you get floor stomped in the Challenger league.

You are the only player that I will cheer and jeer. Keep on doing what you are doing. I am glad you are back.
But I am sure Brock Lesnar agrees to the fact that he is brought in as entertainment, as that element is part of MMA/Wrestling, while Naniwa does not.

These are young kids, playing games, and the media are trying to target them with labels of hero/villain is just wrong, as it only there to bring hateful notions to players, and shows more how desperate the state of Starcraft must be in. It is about branding him in an image, so they can sell their stuff, rather than sell him as a good player, which he is.

If drama garner more attention, then it tells the story that the game can't sell itself, or the audience need something not related to the game to be peaked. This is not a circus, but eSports. If TL wants to beat this drum, they have lost the path in my eyes.


LiangHao
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1839 Posts
January 20 2015 00:08 GMT
#599
On January 20 2015 08:58 ClueClueClue wrote:
He can talk the NaNitalk, but can he walk the NaNiwalk?


When he beat Flash 2-1 then narrowly lost the group final 4-3 at MLG Dallas 2012, that's when I knew. Also one of those games he proxy immortal busted him, something I had rarely, if ever seen. That's ballin' status.
TL+ Member
Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
January 20 2015 00:10 GMT
#600
On January 20 2015 09:05 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 08:34 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:47 Dracolich70 wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:30 Blargh wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:16 Dracolich70 wrote:
It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player, and made into an article. Awful. Not sure if it is a slippery slope of regression for Starcraft or this site. Probably both.


Many would argue both. Especially the first one in my eyes. I haven't been around long enought to truely say anything about the second, but I do think this article was super unneccissary.

Oh c'mon. It's just fun humor on one of the most controversial SC2 players of all time. Plus, it helps to inform people that Naniwa is back from retirement.

And the Starcraft/E-sports scene has always been a sucker for player/team drama. People like seeing rage, insults, IRL fights between two scrawny players, etc.
Not really. You are talking about the group of people that translate a traffic accident as entertainment in their empty lives, and lack the empathy to do nothing else but laugh.

eSport is not built on drama, but the games themselves. If not, it lacks quality in itself. Players should be treated with some respect, not targeted as fun humor.

I agree its not build on drama, but the drama will attract more attention. When rivalries and grudges occur, the games become more entertaining.

Dana White understands how the drama can bring in more viewers; he signed Brock Lesnar for that very reason. Of course, the fighter/player has to have the skills necessary to enter the octagon/sit behind the screen.

I enjoy watching Naniwa because he is a beast at this game, but also because I want to see someone stomp him.

Is drama necessary to garner more attention? No. Will drama garner more attention? Yes.

I am not saying Starcraft 2 needs players like Naniwa and Idra, but when we do have these kinds of characters it makes the games more enjoyable.

To Naniwa, I wish you the best of luck, and I truly hope you make it to Premier league. I also hope that you get floor stomped in the Challenger league.

You are the only player that I will cheer and jeer. Keep on doing what you are doing. I am glad you are back.
But I am sure Brock Lesnar agrees to the fact that he is brought in as entertainment, as that element is part of MMA/Wrestling.

These are young kids, playing games, and the media are trying to target them with labels of hero/villain is just wrong, and shows more how desperate the state of Starcraft must be in. It is about branding him in an image, so they can sell their stuff, rather than sell him as a good player, which he is.

If drama garner more attention, then it tells the story that the game can't sell itself, or the audience need something not related to the game to be peaked. This is not a circus, but eSports. If TL wants to beat this drum, they have lost the path in my eyes.




Yea, sure, because we humans are robots who enjoy objective, standard, and impersonal games, and never get out of the frame.
I assume you play macro, right?

SC2 is the game itself, and everything that surround it, including its players and their personalities. If you do not like that way, you better reconsider your enjoyment of an individual sport like SC2.
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 00:40:15
January 20 2015 00:23 GMT
#601
On January 20 2015 09:10 Apoteosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 09:05 Dracolich70 wrote:
On January 19 2015 08:34 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:47 Dracolich70 wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:30 Blargh wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:16 Dracolich70 wrote:
It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player, and made into an article. Awful. Not sure if it is a slippery slope of regression for Starcraft or this site. Probably both.


Many would argue both. Especially the first one in my eyes. I haven't been around long enought to truely say anything about the second, but I do think this article was super unneccissary.

Oh c'mon. It's just fun humor on one of the most controversial SC2 players of all time. Plus, it helps to inform people that Naniwa is back from retirement.

And the Starcraft/E-sports scene has always been a sucker for player/team drama. People like seeing rage, insults, IRL fights between two scrawny players, etc.
Not really. You are talking about the group of people that translate a traffic accident as entertainment in their empty lives, and lack the empathy to do nothing else but laugh.

eSport is not built on drama, but the games themselves. If not, it lacks quality in itself. Players should be treated with some respect, not targeted as fun humor.

I agree its not build on drama, but the drama will attract more attention. When rivalries and grudges occur, the games become more entertaining.

Dana White understands how the drama can bring in more viewers; he signed Brock Lesnar for that very reason. Of course, the fighter/player has to have the skills necessary to enter the octagon/sit behind the screen.

I enjoy watching Naniwa because he is a beast at this game, but also because I want to see someone stomp him.

Is drama necessary to garner more attention? No. Will drama garner more attention? Yes.

I am not saying Starcraft 2 needs players like Naniwa and Idra, but when we do have these kinds of characters it makes the games more enjoyable.

To Naniwa, I wish you the best of luck, and I truly hope you make it to Premier league. I also hope that you get floor stomped in the Challenger league.

You are the only player that I will cheer and jeer. Keep on doing what you are doing. I am glad you are back.
But I am sure Brock Lesnar agrees to the fact that he is brought in as entertainment, as that element is part of MMA/Wrestling.

These are young kids, playing games, and the media are trying to target them with labels of hero/villain is just wrong, and shows more how desperate the state of Starcraft must be in. It is about branding him in an image, so they can sell their stuff, rather than sell him as a good player, which he is.

If drama garner more attention, then it tells the story that the game can't sell itself, or the audience need something not related to the game to be peaked. This is not a circus, but eSports. If TL wants to beat this drum, they have lost the path in my eyes.




Yea, sure, because we humans are robots who enjoy objective, standard, and impersonal games, and never get out of the frame.
I assume you play macro, right?

SC2 is the game itself, and everything that surround it, including its players and their personalities. If you do not like that way, you better reconsider your enjoyment of an individual sport like SC2.
I am sorry to interrupt your notion of the game that is not related to the game, as being human. It seems most of my post went over your head, though. Naniwa didn't ask to satisfy your thirst for things not related to the game, just because you feel more human that way. I would call you something else, though.

I enjoy eSports very much without drama, or stigmatizing players in order to enjoy it. Not because I am a robot, but because I am interested the games in eSport. I think players should be respected, rather than being targets of hate, and I think that part would serve TL better. What you enjoy on your own is up to you. This is not about you, or what you do, but a critique of the article.
LiangHao
Hot_Ice
Profile Joined January 2013
139 Posts
January 20 2015 01:13 GMT
#602
--- Nuked ---
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
January 20 2015 01:14 GMT
#603
On January 20 2015 08:58 ClueClueClue wrote:
He can talk the NaNitalk, but can he walk the NaNiwalk?

Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
January 20 2015 02:47 GMT
#604
On January 20 2015 09:05 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 08:34 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:47 Dracolich70 wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:30 Blargh wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:16 Dracolich70 wrote:
It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player, and made into an article. Awful. Not sure if it is a slippery slope of regression for Starcraft or this site. Probably both.


Many would argue both. Especially the first one in my eyes. I haven't been around long enought to truely say anything about the second, but I do think this article was super unneccissary.

Oh c'mon. It's just fun humor on one of the most controversial SC2 players of all time. Plus, it helps to inform people that Naniwa is back from retirement.

And the Starcraft/E-sports scene has always been a sucker for player/team drama. People like seeing rage, insults, IRL fights between two scrawny players, etc.
Not really. You are talking about the group of people that translate a traffic accident as entertainment in their empty lives, and lack the empathy to do nothing else but laugh.

eSport is not built on drama, but the games themselves. If not, it lacks quality in itself. Players should be treated with some respect, not targeted as fun humor.

I agree its not build on drama, but the drama will attract more attention. When rivalries and grudges occur, the games become more entertaining.

Dana White understands how the drama can bring in more viewers; he signed Brock Lesnar for that very reason. Of course, the fighter/player has to have the skills necessary to enter the octagon/sit behind the screen.

I enjoy watching Naniwa because he is a beast at this game, but also because I want to see someone stomp him.

Is drama necessary to garner more attention? No. Will drama garner more attention? Yes.

I am not saying Starcraft 2 needs players like Naniwa and Idra, but when we do have these kinds of characters it makes the games more enjoyable.

To Naniwa, I wish you the best of luck, and I truly hope you make it to Premier league. I also hope that you get floor stomped in the Challenger league.

You are the only player that I will cheer and jeer. Keep on doing what you are doing. I am glad you are back.
But I am sure Brock Lesnar agrees to the fact that he is brought in as entertainment, as that element is part of MMA/Wrestling, while Naniwa does not.

These are young kids, playing games, and the media are trying to target them with labels of hero/villain is just wrong, as it only there to bring hateful notions to players, and shows more how desperate the state of Starcraft must be in. It is about branding him in an image, so they can sell their stuff, rather than sell him as a good player, which he is.

If drama garner more attention, then it tells the story that the game can't sell itself, or the audience need something not related to the game to be peaked. This is not a circus, but eSports. If TL wants to beat this drum, they have lost the path in my eyes.



I don't understand your post. My example of Brock was to show how talent plus personality can really bring in the ratings. The element of entertainment is a core aspect of any content, and whether you are entertained because of the players skills, or their personality, it doesn't make much difference.

Sure, Naniwa doesn't play this game for the purpose of entertaining the audience. He is playing it for himself, but it's that exact attitude that makes the audience even more involved.

And I don't think stuchiu's article demonized him into a villain or martyred him into a hero, because the audience is already polarized about Naniwa anyways, and this article only reminded us of who exactly is Naniwa.

Drama garners more attention, but its never the focus. The focus will always be skill, and nothing will take that away. Do you honestly think we would care about Naniwa if he wasn't a great player? As I said before, Naniwa brings talent and ego, but he would be just another Avilo if he didn't have the talent.

TL can write content with any angle they so wish, and perhaps they are using Naniwa's image to sell better content, but they never lied about anything. In my opinion, all they did was state the facts, and let the reader form their own opinion, which is responsible journalism.

If you feel TL has strayed from some holy honor of esports, then that is your respectful right, but I like my steak with sauce.
Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
January 20 2015 03:26 GMT
#605
On January 20 2015 09:23 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 09:10 Apoteosis wrote:
On January 20 2015 09:05 Dracolich70 wrote:
On January 19 2015 08:34 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:47 Dracolich70 wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:30 Blargh wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:16 Dracolich70 wrote:
It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player, and made into an article. Awful. Not sure if it is a slippery slope of regression for Starcraft or this site. Probably both.


Many would argue both. Especially the first one in my eyes. I haven't been around long enought to truely say anything about the second, but I do think this article was super unneccissary.

Oh c'mon. It's just fun humor on one of the most controversial SC2 players of all time. Plus, it helps to inform people that Naniwa is back from retirement.

And the Starcraft/E-sports scene has always been a sucker for player/team drama. People like seeing rage, insults, IRL fights between two scrawny players, etc.
Not really. You are talking about the group of people that translate a traffic accident as entertainment in their empty lives, and lack the empathy to do nothing else but laugh.

eSport is not built on drama, but the games themselves. If not, it lacks quality in itself. Players should be treated with some respect, not targeted as fun humor.

I agree its not build on drama, but the drama will attract more attention. When rivalries and grudges occur, the games become more entertaining.

Dana White understands how the drama can bring in more viewers; he signed Brock Lesnar for that very reason. Of course, the fighter/player has to have the skills necessary to enter the octagon/sit behind the screen.

I enjoy watching Naniwa because he is a beast at this game, but also because I want to see someone stomp him.

Is drama necessary to garner more attention? No. Will drama garner more attention? Yes.

I am not saying Starcraft 2 needs players like Naniwa and Idra, but when we do have these kinds of characters it makes the games more enjoyable.

To Naniwa, I wish you the best of luck, and I truly hope you make it to Premier league. I also hope that you get floor stomped in the Challenger league.

You are the only player that I will cheer and jeer. Keep on doing what you are doing. I am glad you are back.
But I am sure Brock Lesnar agrees to the fact that he is brought in as entertainment, as that element is part of MMA/Wrestling.

These are young kids, playing games, and the media are trying to target them with labels of hero/villain is just wrong, and shows more how desperate the state of Starcraft must be in. It is about branding him in an image, so they can sell their stuff, rather than sell him as a good player, which he is.

If drama garner more attention, then it tells the story that the game can't sell itself, or the audience need something not related to the game to be peaked. This is not a circus, but eSports. If TL wants to beat this drum, they have lost the path in my eyes.




Yea, sure, because we humans are robots who enjoy objective, standard, and impersonal games, and never get out of the frame.
I assume you play macro, right?

SC2 is the game itself, and everything that surround it, including its players and their personalities. If you do not like that way, you better reconsider your enjoyment of an individual sport like SC2.
I am sorry to interrupt your notion of the game that is not related to the game, as being human. It seems most of my post went over your head, though. Naniwa didn't ask to satisfy your thirst for things not related to the game, just because you feel more human that way. I would call you something else, though.

I enjoy eSports very much without drama, or stigmatizing players in order to enjoy it. Not because I am a robot, but because I am interested the games in eSport. I think players should be respected, rather than being targets of hate, and I think that part would serve TL better. What you enjoy on your own is up to you. This is not about you, or what you do, but a critique of the article.


TL writers did not ask to satisfy your own tastes about SC2, nor they will concur with your critiques or feedbacks. As do the most part of us.

You are free to leave TL if you want; it is your right. But please, we do not need your senseless feedback.
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
_fool
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands676 Posts
January 20 2015 07:42 GMT
#606
In other news: I believe we only need ~600 more pages in this thread for it to become eligable for its own Liquid` sub-site, next to Liquid`Dota and Liquid`Legends!
"News is to the mind what sugar is to the body"
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
January 20 2015 07:59 GMT
#607
I think it's hilarious that this thread descended into the exact kind of fanboys vs. haters result the OP predicted.
I love crazymoving
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
January 20 2015 08:43 GMT
#608
On January 20 2015 09:10 Apoteosis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2015 09:05 Dracolich70 wrote:
On January 19 2015 08:34 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:47 Dracolich70 wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:30 Blargh wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:16 Dracolich70 wrote:
It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player, and made into an article. Awful. Not sure if it is a slippery slope of regression for Starcraft or this site. Probably both.


Many would argue both. Especially the first one in my eyes. I haven't been around long enought to truely say anything about the second, but I do think this article was super unneccissary.

Oh c'mon. It's just fun humor on one of the most controversial SC2 players of all time. Plus, it helps to inform people that Naniwa is back from retirement.

And the Starcraft/E-sports scene has always been a sucker for player/team drama. People like seeing rage, insults, IRL fights between two scrawny players, etc.
Not really. You are talking about the group of people that translate a traffic accident as entertainment in their empty lives, and lack the empathy to do nothing else but laugh.

eSport is not built on drama, but the games themselves. If not, it lacks quality in itself. Players should be treated with some respect, not targeted as fun humor.

I agree its not build on drama, but the drama will attract more attention. When rivalries and grudges occur, the games become more entertaining.

Dana White understands how the drama can bring in more viewers; he signed Brock Lesnar for that very reason. Of course, the fighter/player has to have the skills necessary to enter the octagon/sit behind the screen.

I enjoy watching Naniwa because he is a beast at this game, but also because I want to see someone stomp him.

Is drama necessary to garner more attention? No. Will drama garner more attention? Yes.

I am not saying Starcraft 2 needs players like Naniwa and Idra, but when we do have these kinds of characters it makes the games more enjoyable.

To Naniwa, I wish you the best of luck, and I truly hope you make it to Premier league. I also hope that you get floor stomped in the Challenger league.

You are the only player that I will cheer and jeer. Keep on doing what you are doing. I am glad you are back.
But I am sure Brock Lesnar agrees to the fact that he is brought in as entertainment, as that element is part of MMA/Wrestling.

These are young kids, playing games, and the media are trying to target them with labels of hero/villain is just wrong, and shows more how desperate the state of Starcraft must be in. It is about branding him in an image, so they can sell their stuff, rather than sell him as a good player, which he is.

If drama garner more attention, then it tells the story that the game can't sell itself, or the audience need something not related to the game to be peaked. This is not a circus, but eSports. If TL wants to beat this drum, they have lost the path in my eyes.




Yea, sure, because we humans are robots who enjoy objective, standard, and impersonal games, and never get out of the frame.
I assume you play macro, right?

SC2 is the game itself, and everything that surround it, including its players and their personalities. If you do not like that way, you better reconsider your enjoyment of an individual sport like SC2.

Well, there are people who watch the game because they want to watch the game. Personally I don't care which player is playing, as long as the games are good. Good games for me means long games with lots of action all over the map, or games in which players use some unconventional tactics and unit combinations.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 09:08:36
January 20 2015 09:08 GMT
#609
On January 18 2015 14:13 ElMeanYo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.


I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy


+1 for Kane here. At the end it just a video game and how you treat people is what really matters.

Lol. For people who depend on money they get from playing "just a game" I think it is more than that.
Football is just a game as well... but average player earns more money than a good doctor and everyone takes is seriously, especially the players.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
January 20 2015 09:09 GMT
#610
And no matter what people say, Sc2 has become a boring place after Idra, Stephano and Nani quit.
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2557 Posts
January 20 2015 10:04 GMT
#611
Can't wait for whining about not soundproof booths like in Katowice again :D
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
January 20 2015 12:09 GMT
#612
Most excited Ive been for a return/switch to SC2. Our lord hath returneth!
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
January 20 2015 15:06 GMT
#613
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.
Vertigro
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom261 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 15:10:12
January 20 2015 15:09 GMT
#614
On January 20 2015 18:09 -Archangel- wrote:
And no matter what people say, Sc2 has become a boring place after Idra, Stephano and Nani quit.


So so true... the quality of games is still high but I don't think I've truly been able to get behind any current player. Bring back Nani, Idra, Steph etc... they put the personality and the story into the scene, things which have been steadily declining for a while now.
"..." - Greg 'IdrA' Fields +++ DeMuslim, Naniwa, Jaedong, Hero, Suppy! <3 <3
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 15:27:06
January 20 2015 15:25 GMT
#615
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious
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KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
January 20 2015 15:26 GMT
#616
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.


He has the right to behave as he wants, and haters have the right to hate him.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 20 2015 15:28 GMT
#617
On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious


Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
January 20 2015 15:45 GMT
#618
On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious


Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often

No,
because if you're not who you are, you can never learn.

Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does.
If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet.

On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious

Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm

Yes that's a mistake.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
January 20 2015 15:59 GMT
#619
I would like a gentlemans handshake before and after the game.

I'm guilty of voting Nani on liquibets btw
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 20 2015 16:00 GMT
#620
On January 21 2015 00:45 niteReloaded wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious


Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often

No,
because if you're not who you are, you can never learn.

Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does.
If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet.

Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious

Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm

Yes that's a mistake.



Who are you to decide whom others are and aren't? Can't we decide it ourselves? Isn't who we are always changing?

Instead of this essentialism, let's try to be kind and fair to each other. What matters is not who we are, but what we do.
Cogito, ergo toss.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
January 20 2015 16:03 GMT
#621
On January 21 2015 00:45 niteReloaded wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious


Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often

No,
because if you're not who you are, you can never learn.

Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does.
If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet.

Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious

Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm

Yes that's a mistake.

Thing is, people who assholes and who are who they are tend to not get anywhere in the adult world. On the contrary, they usually end up lonely and isolated because no-one wants anything to do with them. It isfor this reason that parents teach their children how to behave in public. Some children learn easier than others, and there are the few that never learn at all.

Forcing someone to do something is not mistreating a person if that person is contractually obliged to those tasks.
alukarD
Profile Joined July 2012
Mexico396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 16:17:19
January 20 2015 16:15 GMT
#622
I like Nani. I'm a fan. He is damn good, creative with his own approach to the game, and true to himself. And don't forget, that the truth it's not always the best or right thing. It's just the truth, no hiding, no fear of outside criticism, no denying, the truth.

He's done some questionable things, sure. I have as well. Who hasn't? Nobody is perfect. I've never meant or tried to do harm or push around and make feel bad other people. But I have. Situations that clash with your personality. And for some people, Nani has too.

The thing is, even though I've never meant to do such things, I don't deny I did them. I don't hide. I don't blame other things. I'm to blame. I don't pretend to be a better person than what I already are, just high-lighting my achievements and strengths, and hiding and denying my weaknesses and mistakes.

Nani has stated several times he rages, that he is not a good looser, that he flames, that he hasn't reacted or showed the best behaviors at certain situations (Nestea & Polt). Does this means he is justified? Well, no, I guess not.

I don't know if I make my point clear. But Naniwa is Naniwa and he is not trying to be someone else or trying to be a crowd-pleaser. He probably never meant wrong (flaming and raging can't be really taken serious, its word-play. Do people always mean what they say? Just because you say something in Twitter it doesn't means you mean it. It just means you are ballsy), but he has never denied his actions.

People like to pick on him for some reason. He is not perfect sure. But what makes the other person a better one? Just because their mistakes haven't been exposed they have the right to bully on him? This makes them far worse in my opinion. And it only makes me think they want the attention by using Naniwa.

Naniwa is a hands-down dedicated and very skillful player which can't help speaking his mind and taking actions do to his emotions. I can't say I really know him, its just what I perceive from him.

People will love you for who you are and hate you for the very same reason.
Die Trying
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
January 20 2015 16:51 GMT
#623
On January 21 2015 01:00 ClueClueClue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 00:45 niteReloaded wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious


Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often

No,
because if you're not who you are, you can never learn.

Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does.
If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet.

On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious

Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm

Yes that's a mistake.



Who are you to decide whom others are and aren't? Can't we decide it ourselves? Isn't who we are always changing?

Instead of this essentialism, let's try to be kind and fair to each other. What matters is not who we are, but what we do.

If you're not who you are, what you do will be weak, or your efforts will be unsustainable at long term..
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 20 2015 16:58 GMT
#624
On January 21 2015 01:51 niteReloaded wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 01:00 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:45 niteReloaded wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious


Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often

No,
because if you're not who you are, you can never learn.

Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does.
If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet.

On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious

Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm

Yes that's a mistake.



Who are you to decide whom others are and aren't? Can't we decide it ourselves? Isn't who we are always changing?

Instead of this essentialism, let's try to be kind and fair to each other. What matters is not who we are, but what we do.

If you're not who you are, what you do will be weak, or your efforts will be unsustainable at long term..


But who are we, if not our actions...?
Cogito, ergo toss.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 20 2015 17:05 GMT
#625
On January 21 2015 01:51 niteReloaded wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 01:00 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:45 niteReloaded wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious


Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often

No,
because if you're not who you are, you can never learn.

Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does.
If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet.

On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious

Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm

Yes that's a mistake.



Who are you to decide whom others are and aren't? Can't we decide it ourselves? Isn't who we are always changing?

Instead of this essentialism, let's try to be kind and fair to each other. What matters is not who we are, but what we do.

If you're not who you are, what you do will be weak, or your efforts will be unsustainable at long term..

You haven't answered any of his questions though d:
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
January 20 2015 17:20 GMT
#626
On January 21 2015 01:03 maartendq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 00:45 niteReloaded wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious


Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often

No,
because if you're not who you are, you can never learn.

Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does.
If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet.

On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious

Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm

Yes that's a mistake.

Thing is, people who assholes and who are who they are tend to not get anywhere in the adult world. On the contrary, they usually end up lonely and isolated because no-one wants anything to do with them.

I disagree.
Only the stubborn ones who don't have the ability of self-reflection end up like this.

If you are yourself always, but are willing to face the effects of your actions, you will learn, and you will become a softer person. There are numerous examples of people who were douchebags, but evolved. It's pointless to give examples, as it's not hard to remember one for any of us, but I'll still give one example - Mike Tyson.
He was a supreme idiot. But he was so strong and too much of a 'bigshot' to be willing to behave as he 'should' instead as he wants.

Listen to him now. He's a different person. And very very useful for the world as he can give amazing insights, as he's been on both sides. He's been the villan - not like Idra who does it because he feeds off of it, but because he was literally fucked up, he was authentically a nasty person.

If he's been in a different position, where he had to kiss up to others in order to fit in, he would be a 'nice guy' with a lot of unprocessed anger issues.


It isfor this reason that parents teach their children how to behave in public. Some children learn easier than others, and there are the few that never learn at all.

Forcing someone to do something is not mistreating a person if that person is contractually obliged to those tasks.

I will resist as hard as I can to teach my kid 'how to behave in public'.

I will only try to inform him things like: "if you're rude to somebody, it may offend him and hurt his feelings."
Useful, if-then sentences.
Not things like "do this!" or "do this because it's what people do"

I think it's very counter-productive for a proper development.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
January 20 2015 17:36 GMT
#627
On January 21 2015 02:05 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 01:51 niteReloaded wrote:
On January 21 2015 01:00 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:45 niteReloaded wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious


Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often

No,
because if you're not who you are, you can never learn.

Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does.
If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet.

On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious

Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm

Yes that's a mistake.



Who are you to decide whom others are and aren't? Can't we decide it ourselves? Isn't who we are always changing?

Instead of this essentialism, let's try to be kind and fair to each other. What matters is not who we are, but what we do.

If you're not who you are, what you do will be weak, or your efforts will be unsustainable at long term..

You haven't answered any of his questions though d:

I don't know why he asked those questions, I don't know what he is referring to.

I am not the one to decide whom others are and aren't. Yes you can decide for yourself. Yes, who we are is always changing (I would use the word evolving).

On January 21 2015 01:58 ClueClueClue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 01:51 niteReloaded wrote:
On January 21 2015 01:00 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:45 niteReloaded wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious


Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often

No,
because if you're not who you are, you can never learn.

Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does.
If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet.

On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious

Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm

Yes that's a mistake.



Who are you to decide whom others are and aren't? Can't we decide it ourselves? Isn't who we are always changing?

Instead of this essentialism, let's try to be kind and fair to each other. What matters is not who we are, but what we do.

If you're not who you are, what you do will be weak, or your efforts will be unsustainable at long term..


But who are we, if not our actions...?

Your actions can be in 'sync' with who you are, and 'out of sync'. Or to use a more poetic version: your actions can spring out of your heart, or they can be 'cold' and calculated.

You can do things because your heart truly wants you to do it. (sorry if somebody is annoyed by this abstract language)
Or you can do things you don't like, while hoping somebody will reward you for it.


You are in that case being weak, by preferring to do what somebody else likes, instead of what you like.
alukarD
Profile Joined July 2012
Mexico396 Posts
January 20 2015 17:42 GMT
#628
I thought we are what we eat :D
Die Trying
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 20 2015 17:43 GMT
#629
On January 21 2015 02:36 niteReloaded wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 02:05 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 21 2015 01:51 niteReloaded wrote:
On January 21 2015 01:00 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:45 niteReloaded wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious


Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often

No,
because if you're not who you are, you can never learn.

Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does.
If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet.

On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious

Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm

Yes that's a mistake.



Who are you to decide whom others are and aren't? Can't we decide it ourselves? Isn't who we are always changing?

Instead of this essentialism, let's try to be kind and fair to each other. What matters is not who we are, but what we do.

If you're not who you are, what you do will be weak, or your efforts will be unsustainable at long term..

You haven't answered any of his questions though d:

I don't know why he asked those questions, I don't know what he is referring to.

I am not the one to decide whom others are and aren't. Yes you can decide for yourself. Yes, who we are is always changing (I would use the word evolving).

Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 01:58 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 21 2015 01:51 niteReloaded wrote:
On January 21 2015 01:00 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:45 niteReloaded wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious


Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often

No,
because if you're not who you are, you can never learn.

Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does.
If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet.

On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"

His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.

This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.

I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.


Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.


And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.


I don't see how people truly dislike that.

ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses

Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down

Right

Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious

Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm

Yes that's a mistake.



Who are you to decide whom others are and aren't? Can't we decide it ourselves? Isn't who we are always changing?

Instead of this essentialism, let's try to be kind and fair to each other. What matters is not who we are, but what we do.

If you're not who you are, what you do will be weak, or your efforts will be unsustainable at long term..


But who are we, if not our actions...?

Your actions can be in 'sync' with who you are, and 'out of sync'. Or to use a more poetic version: your actions can spring out of your heart, or they can be 'cold' and calculated.

You can do things because your heart truly wants you to do it. (sorry if somebody is annoyed by this abstract language)
Or you can do things you don't like, while hoping somebody will reward you for it.


You are in that case being weak, by preferring to do what somebody else likes, instead of what you like.


It's all you, since the actions are yours. I wouldn't say any of my personal treats, positive or negative, are more "me" than others. I'm a wide spectrum of good and evil, and I choose to try and do good things - and so should NaNiwa. Explaining his behavior with him being "truthful" and "who he is" is really insulting, imo.
Cogito, ergo toss.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
January 20 2015 17:58 GMT
#630
Ok, I could agree its all you.


But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.

Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 20 2015 18:09 GMT
#631
On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.


But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.

Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong.

So respecting basic social conventions and manners and not trying to enter in a conflict with every person you don't like is being a weak human?
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ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 20 2015 18:09 GMT
#632
On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.


But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.

Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong.



I'd say that rude behavior is a sign of weakness, since you're succumbing to instinct without considering the consequences of your actions. How does always taking the easy route make you strong? Why would his first impulse to be the correct course of action? Gut feeling is really overrated imo, since it's basically our weaknesses, our pride and our prejudice shining through without being filtered through our consciousness. If anything, that makes those actions based on gut feeling less 'us' than others.
Cogito, ergo toss.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
January 20 2015 18:14 GMT
#633
On January 21 2015 03:09 ClueClueClue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.


But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.

Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong.



I'd say that rude behavior is a sign of weakness, since you're succumbing to instinct without considering the consequences of your actions. How does always taking the easy route make you strong? Why would his first impulse to be the correct course of action? Gut feeling is really overrated imo, since it's basically our weaknesses, our pride and our prejudice shining through without being filtered through our consciousness. If anything, that makes those actions based on gut feeling less 'us' than others.

It's fallacious to imply rude people don't consider the consequence of their actions. In fact I believe a large portion of rude people do it perfectly intentionally for a wide variety of reasons.
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 20 2015 18:15 GMT
#634
On January 21 2015 03:09 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.


But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.

Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong.

So respecting basic social conventions and manners and not trying to enter in a conflict with every person you don't like is being a weak human?


It makes you A human. If you act exactly how you feel, all the time, there's something missing in either your upbringing or your mind. Only drunk people and small kids follow every single impulse, but they learn or sober up sooner or later.
Cogito, ergo toss.
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 18:27:54
January 20 2015 18:26 GMT
#635
On January 21 2015 03:14 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 03:09 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.


But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.

Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong.



I'd say that rude behavior is a sign of weakness, since you're succumbing to instinct without considering the consequences of your actions. How does always taking the easy route make you strong? Why would his first impulse to be the correct course of action? Gut feeling is really overrated imo, since it's basically our weaknesses, our pride and our prejudice shining through without being filtered through our consciousness. If anything, that makes those actions based on gut feeling less 'us' than others.

It's fallacious to imply rude people don't consider the consequence of their actions. In fact I believe a large portion of rude people do it perfectly intentionally for a wide variety of reasons.


That's probably true, but the reason for that kind of behavior in each individual instance is often a lack of a long-term perspective. When in a line at the super market, a rude person would only care about getting quickly to the registry, and not how many people he/she shoved aside. When insulted, a rude person would retaliate with as much defensiveness as he/she could muster instead of walking away/disarming the insultor. If these people considered their own behavior to be rude, you could probably say that they're aware of the consequences of their actions, but I'm pretty sure most people don't see themselves that way, even if they behave badly. They're only doing what they have to to get what they want, they're following their instinct to do "their favorite thing", as Louis CK puts it. It's more so a lock missing in these people's minds than them being deliberately dislikeable.
Cogito, ergo toss.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 19:23:30
January 20 2015 19:22 GMT
#636
On January 21 2015 03:09 OtherWorld wrote:
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On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.


But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.

Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong.

So respecting basic social conventions and manners and not trying to enter in a conflict with every person you don't like is being a weak human?

Yes, if you would HONESTLY wish to act differently.

In the case that you would wish to do illegal things, then it's smart to not do them even if you would like to, as you may end up in prison. But in a case of being 'nice' to people you don't like, out of fear of them disapproving you, then it's weak i'd say.

On January 21 2015 03:09 ClueClueClue wrote:
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On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.


But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.

Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong.



I'd say that rude behavior is a sign of weakness, since you're succumbing to instinct without considering the consequences of your actions. How does always taking the easy route make you strong? Why would his first impulse to be the correct course of action? Gut feeling is really overrated imo, since it's basically our weaknesses, our pride and our prejudice shining through without being filtered through our consciousness. If anything, that makes those actions based on gut feeling less 'us' than others.

I'd say rude behavior is a sign of immaturity. While surpressing your true nature, even if it's immature, because you want to be liked, is weak/cowardly.

So, I'd say immature people often fake maturity as they are raised that way without being explained why its good to do 'mannered things'.
So they have no chance to learn true maturity as their 'rough edges' are never shown, and are never given the chance to be truly polished and smoothed out.


I would even maybe argue that the braves way to live, and a way that would be most fast when it comes to personal growth, would be to always follow the impulse. With time, if the impulse would result in negative results, the impulses would change, you would start seeing things in a different way.

Of course, the entire time I'm assuming the person has the ability to self-reflect and adjust.

On January 21 2015 03:26 ClueClueClue wrote:
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On January 21 2015 03:14 gruff wrote:
On January 21 2015 03:09 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.


But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.

Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong.



I'd say that rude behavior is a sign of weakness, since you're succumbing to instinct without considering the consequences of your actions. How does always taking the easy route make you strong? Why would his first impulse to be the correct course of action? Gut feeling is really overrated imo, since it's basically our weaknesses, our pride and our prejudice shining through without being filtered through our consciousness. If anything, that makes those actions based on gut feeling less 'us' than others.

It's fallacious to imply rude people don't consider the consequence of their actions. In fact I believe a large portion of rude people do it perfectly intentionally for a wide variety of reasons.


That's probably true, but the reason for that kind of behavior in each individual instance is often a lack of a long-term perspective. When in a line at the super market, a rude person would only care about getting quickly to the registry, and not how many people he/she shoved aside. When insulted, a rude person would retaliate with as much defensiveness as he/she could muster instead of walking away/disarming the insultor. If these people considered their own behavior to be rude, you could probably say that they're aware of the consequences of their actions, but I'm pretty sure most people don't see themselves that way, even if they behave badly. They're only doing what they have to to get what they want, they're following their instinct to do "their favorite thing", as Louis CK puts it. It's more so a lock missing in these people's minds than them being deliberately dislikeable.

So, why aren't you shoving people at the supermarket?
Is it because it's a 'social norm' or because you feel empathy for people?

If it's the former, you're a coward; if it's the latter, you're a healthy person.
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 20 2015 19:32 GMT
#637
On January 21 2015 04:22 niteReloaded wrote:
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On January 21 2015 03:09 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.


But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.

Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong.

So respecting basic social conventions and manners and not trying to enter in a conflict with every person you don't like is being a weak human?

Yes, if you would HONESTLY wish to act differently.

In the case that you would wish to do illegal things, then it's smart to not do them even if you would like to, as you may end up in prison. But in a case of being 'nice' to people you don't like, out of fear of them disapproving you, then it's weak i'd say.

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On January 21 2015 03:09 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.


But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.

Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong.



I'd say that rude behavior is a sign of weakness, since you're succumbing to instinct without considering the consequences of your actions. How does always taking the easy route make you strong? Why would his first impulse to be the correct course of action? Gut feeling is really overrated imo, since it's basically our weaknesses, our pride and our prejudice shining through without being filtered through our consciousness. If anything, that makes those actions based on gut feeling less 'us' than others.

I'd say rude behavior is a sign of immaturity. While surpressing your true nature, even if it's immature, because you want to be liked, is weak/cowardly.

So, I'd say immature people often fake maturity as they are raised that way without being explained why its good to do 'mannered things'.
So they have no chance to learn true maturity as their 'rough edges' are never shown, and are never given the chance to be truly polished and smoothed out.


I would even maybe argue that the braves way to live, and a way that would be most fast when it comes to personal growth, would be to always follow the impulse. With time, if the impulse would result in negative results, the impulses would change, you would start seeing things in a different way.

Of course, the entire time I'm assuming the person has the ability to self-reflect and adjust.

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On January 21 2015 03:26 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 21 2015 03:14 gruff wrote:
On January 21 2015 03:09 ClueClueClue wrote:
On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.


But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.

Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong.



I'd say that rude behavior is a sign of weakness, since you're succumbing to instinct without considering the consequences of your actions. How does always taking the easy route make you strong? Why would his first impulse to be the correct course of action? Gut feeling is really overrated imo, since it's basically our weaknesses, our pride and our prejudice shining through without being filtered through our consciousness. If anything, that makes those actions based on gut feeling less 'us' than others.

It's fallacious to imply rude people don't consider the consequence of their actions. In fact I believe a large portion of rude people do it perfectly intentionally for a wide variety of reasons.


That's probably true, but the reason for that kind of behavior in each individual instance is often a lack of a long-term perspective. When in a line at the super market, a rude person would only care about getting quickly to the registry, and not how many people he/she shoved aside. When insulted, a rude person would retaliate with as much defensiveness as he/she could muster instead of walking away/disarming the insultor. If these people considered their own behavior to be rude, you could probably say that they're aware of the consequences of their actions, but I'm pretty sure most people don't see themselves that way, even if they behave badly. They're only doing what they have to to get what they want, they're following their instinct to do "their favorite thing", as Louis CK puts it. It's more so a lock missing in these people's minds than them being deliberately dislikeable.

So, why aren't you shoving people at the supermarket?
Is it because it's a 'social norm' or because you feel empathy for people?

If it's the former, you're a coward; if it's the latter, you're a healthy person.


Making some sacrifices in order to function in civilized society isn't cowardice...
Cogito, ergo toss.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10301 Posts
January 20 2015 19:49 GMT
#638
Ideas for future topics:

The Will to All-ins

On the Genealogy of Cheese

GG/or

The Wealth of 3base

Critique of Pure Macro

Thus Spoke David Kim

The Open Natural and Its Enemies

Das Goldbase

Foreigner, all too Foreigner

Dialectic of Brood War
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
tadL
Profile Joined September 2010
Croatia679 Posts
January 20 2015 20:18 GMT
#639
Whats the problem? People are desperate to see a foreigner that is able to win tournaments. That I can understand and people who dislike him for so many reasons I can understand too. Its sad that the community gathers behind a person like him because all the foreigners we have that have/had a payment to play full-time just disappointed.

In this thread you see how desperate the fans are. They bow to a person who tried it in LoL / Dota and last in Hots but failed miserable. And he has to be the saviour for foreigner SC2...yeah sure.

Let the "fans" hope and let the "haters" hate. Both have good reasons to do this. Accept it, tolerate it! Always this fundamentalist Christians...
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 20 2015 20:26 GMT
#640
On January 21 2015 04:49 SmoKim wrote:
Ideas for future topics:

The Will to All-ins

On the Genealogy of Cheese

GG/or

The Wealth of 3base

Critique of Pure Macro

Thus Spoke David Kim

The Open Natural and Its Enemies

Das Goldbase

Foreigner, all too Foreigner

Dialectic of Brood War


And KesPa shrugged.
Cogito, ergo toss.
PappiJoe
Profile Joined August 2014
Denmark1 Post
January 20 2015 20:38 GMT
#641
What an excellent piece of writing. I am happy Naniwa has returned to the scene!
Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
January 20 2015 20:40 GMT
#642
Love that Nani is back and are thrilled to watch him playing again!
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 20 2015 20:58 GMT
#643
On January 21 2015 04:22 niteReloaded wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 03:09 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.


But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.

Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong.

So respecting basic social conventions and manners and not trying to enter in a conflict with every person you don't like is being a weak human?

Yes, if you would HONESTLY wish to act differently.

In the case that you would wish to do illegal things, then it's smart to not do them even if you would like to, as you may end up in prison. But in a case of being 'nice' to people you don't like, out of fear of them disapproving you, then it's weak i'd say.


But in the case it's not illegal but you're being a bane for people around by your attitude? How is being impolite and obnoxious for the people you live with being "strong" and the opposite, doing necessary sacrifices to live in good society with others, being "weak"?
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
January 21 2015 03:40 GMT
#644
On January 21 2015 05:58 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2015 04:22 niteReloaded wrote:
On January 21 2015 03:09 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.


But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.

Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong.

So respecting basic social conventions and manners and not trying to enter in a conflict with every person you don't like is being a weak human?

Yes, if you would HONESTLY wish to act differently.

In the case that you would wish to do illegal things, then it's smart to not do them even if you would like to, as you may end up in prison. But in a case of being 'nice' to people you don't like, out of fear of them disapproving you, then it's weak i'd say.


But in the case it's not illegal but you're being a bane for people around by your attitude? How is being impolite and obnoxious for the people you live with being "strong" and the opposite, doing necessary sacrifices to live in good society with others, being "weak"?

I repeat what I said in a prior post.
If you control your urges out of empathy and realizing your actions may hurt others, then it's ok.
But if you don't have empathy, but are surpressing yourself out of fear of being judged, then it's weak imo.
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
January 21 2015 06:37 GMT
#645
Wait, I thought we were meant to flame each other based on what we think about nani? Why did this turn into some silly philosophical debate about the by definition false statement "you're not who you are"? >_> Keep on track ppl!!

On topic: any chance of Nani streaming, so that we can watch him lose, whine and insult, being provoked and overly retaliate. And play some great games ofc! I think it'd be 4 games of streaming before the first major insult towards a known player. Over/under anyone?
OveRtheStarS
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada69 Posts
January 21 2015 07:58 GMT
#646
Love that Nani is back! Love him or hate him, I don't think that anyone can deny he's entertaining... and I think that's exactly what I personally need from the scene these days. A bit of entertainment.
If everyone loves you, you're not doing it right.
Narbie
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2 Posts
January 21 2015 08:25 GMT
#647
Nani is the only reason I look forward to WCS. Baddies about to get slayed! TY for coming back sexycakes!
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
January 21 2015 11:54 GMT
#648
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
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On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


he he, lol, whatever
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
January 21 2015 18:29 GMT
#649
People who have a one sided view on this player should watch this lengthy interview. There is much more to him as a person. I feel like alot of the comments show that some people rather have a narrow view on him just to be able to hate on him:

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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 21 2015 18:32 GMT
#650
GUYS: check this out if you're still ranting pro or con naniwa.
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
January 21 2015 21:12 GMT
#651
On January 22 2015 03:32 boxerfred wrote:
GUYS: check this out if you're still ranting pro or con naniwa.


lmao! Happy berfday, gl and hf!
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
swag_bro
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
Japan782 Posts
January 21 2015 23:55 GMT
#652
We need one for Idra!!!!!!!! ;D
They hate us 'cause they ain't us.
danteafk
Profile Joined May 2011
307 Posts
January 22 2015 00:29 GMT
#653
sc2 scene just got 100% moree interesting with him coming back.

Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-22 02:40:31
January 22 2015 02:13 GMT
#654
On January 20 2015 11:47 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
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On January 20 2015 09:05 Dracolich70 wrote:
On January 19 2015 08:34 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:47 Dracolich70 wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:30 Blargh wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:16 Dracolich70 wrote:
It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player, and made into an article. Awful. Not sure if it is a slippery slope of regression for Starcraft or this site. Probably both.


Many would argue both. Especially the first one in my eyes. I haven't been around long enought to truely say anything about the second, but I do think this article was super unneccissary.

Oh c'mon. It's just fun humor on one of the most controversial SC2 players of all time. Plus, it helps to inform people that Naniwa is back from retirement.

And the Starcraft/E-sports scene has always been a sucker for player/team drama. People like seeing rage, insults, IRL fights between two scrawny players, etc.
Not really. You are talking about the group of people that translate a traffic accident as entertainment in their empty lives, and lack the empathy to do nothing else but laugh.

eSport is not built on drama, but the games themselves. If not, it lacks quality in itself. Players should be treated with some respect, not targeted as fun humor.

I agree its not build on drama, but the drama will attract more attention. When rivalries and grudges occur, the games become more entertaining.

Dana White understands how the drama can bring in more viewers; he signed Brock Lesnar for that very reason. Of course, the fighter/player has to have the skills necessary to enter the octagon/sit behind the screen.

I enjoy watching Naniwa because he is a beast at this game, but also because I want to see someone stomp him.

Is drama necessary to garner more attention? No. Will drama garner more attention? Yes.

I am not saying Starcraft 2 needs players like Naniwa and Idra, but when we do have these kinds of characters it makes the games more enjoyable.

To Naniwa, I wish you the best of luck, and I truly hope you make it to Premier league. I also hope that you get floor stomped in the Challenger league.

You are the only player that I will cheer and jeer. Keep on doing what you are doing. I am glad you are back.
But I am sure Brock Lesnar agrees to the fact that he is brought in as entertainment, as that element is part of MMA/Wrestling, while Naniwa does not.

These are young kids, playing games, and the media are trying to target them with labels of hero/villain is just wrong, as it only there to bring hateful notions to players, and shows more how desperate the state of Starcraft must be in. It is about branding him in an image, so they can sell their stuff, rather than sell him as a good player, which he is.

If drama garner more attention, then it tells the story that the game can't sell itself, or the audience need something not related to the game to be peaked. This is not a circus, but eSports. If TL wants to beat this drum, they have lost the path in my eyes.



I don't understand your post. My example of Brock was to show how talent plus personality can really bring in the ratings. The element of entertainment is a core aspect of any content, and whether you are entertained because of the players skills, or their personality, it doesn't make much difference.

Sure, Naniwa doesn't play this game for the purpose of entertaining the audience. He is playing it for himself, but it's that exact attitude that makes the audience even more involved.

And I don't think stuchiu's article demonized him into a villain or martyred him into a hero, because the audience is already polarized about Naniwa anyways, and this article only reminded us of who exactly is Naniwa.

Drama garners more attention, but its never the focus. The focus will always be skill, and nothing will take that away. Do you honestly think we would care about Naniwa if he wasn't a great player? As I said before, Naniwa brings talent and ego, but he would be just another Avilo if he didn't have the talent.

TL can write content with any angle they so wish, and perhaps they are using Naniwa's image to sell better content, but they never lied about anything. In my opinion, all they did was state the facts, and let the reader form their own opinion, which is responsible journalism.

If you feel TL has strayed from some holy honor of esports, then that is your respectful right, but I like my steak with sauce.
Brock is paid to be an entertainer, a target of hate or love(or indifference) - he has agreed to it, selling an imaginary image is what he also do. That is the business that he is in. eSport is virtual sports of competitors. Sure, people can like/dislike/be fanbois/be haters, but the difference should be what media tries to advocate. Naniwa is here to play a game. Media should focus on this, and leave the banter/stigmata/personal opinions to themselves or people. Media are not to form peoples opinions of a player, to the degree of hate/love/hero/villain. Therefore this article is trash, not becoming of a eSport news site, such as TL, unless they are aiming to be a click-tabloid.

TL can do what they want, but it doesn't remove opinions on what they are doing/allowing from news writers.
LiangHao
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
January 22 2015 02:40 GMT
#655
Dracolich70, we have different views on how the media (i.e. TL) should develop articles, and those views differ greatly. Whether it is newsworthy or tabloid trash is debatable but I don't want to get into a big debate over the merits of this article, because it would end up no where.

I do understand your objection, and to a certain degree you are correct. I would hate to read an article on ESPN about Pacman Jones and his adventures in strip clubs, but I would love to read about his neck injury. However, I don't think this article is trashy, but at least I understand how you feel.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-22 02:54:15
January 22 2015 02:49 GMT
#656
On January 22 2015 11:40 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Dracolich70, we have different views on how the media (i.e. TL) should develop articles, and those views differ greatly. Whether it is newsworthy or tabloid trash is debatable but I don't want to get into a big debate over the merits of this article, because it would end up no where.

I do understand your objection, and to a certain degree you are correct. I would hate to read an article on ESPN about Pacman Jones and his adventures in strip clubs, but I would love to read about his neck injury. However, I don't think this article is trashy, but at least I understand how you feel.
If you'd hate to read an article of Pacman Jones ,about his strip club adventures, you must absolutely loathe it being a verdict of how one should perceive his persona, whether or not you agree with it. It is trashtalk. Much like this article. It is unprofessional.

Naniwa, unlike Brock is not here to sell an (imaginary) image, but to compete. He didn't agree to be hero/villain, and let that be a selling point to the game/news site.
LiangHao
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
January 22 2015 03:17 GMT
#657
On January 22 2015 11:49 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2015 11:40 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Dracolich70, we have different views on how the media (i.e. TL) should develop articles, and those views differ greatly. Whether it is newsworthy or tabloid trash is debatable but I don't want to get into a big debate over the merits of this article, because it would end up no where.

I do understand your objection, and to a certain degree you are correct. I would hate to read an article on ESPN about Pacman Jones and his adventures in strip clubs, but I would love to read about his neck injury. However, I don't think this article is trashy, but at least I understand how you feel.
If you'd hate to read an article of Pacman Jones ,about his strip club adventures, you must absolutely loathe it being a verdict of how one should perceive his persona, whether or not you agree with it. It is trashtalk. Much like this article. It is unprofessional.

Naniwa, unlike Brock is not here to sell an (imaginary) image, but to compete. He didn't agree to be hero/villain, and let that be a selling point to the game/news site.

This article didn't focus on Naniwa's persona, it also spoke about some of his accomplishments. Perhaps it could be written with less focus on Naniwa's image, and more about his skills and chances to advance, but like I said before, I like my steak with sauce. Although, I don't see this article as a verdict on Naniwa, but more of a sum of his talent and ego combined.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2101 Posts
January 22 2015 03:25 GMT
#658
On January 22 2015 11:49 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2015 11:40 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Dracolich70, we have different views on how the media (i.e. TL) should develop articles, and those views differ greatly. Whether it is newsworthy or tabloid trash is debatable but I don't want to get into a big debate over the merits of this article, because it would end up no where.

I do understand your objection, and to a certain degree you are correct. I would hate to read an article on ESPN about Pacman Jones and his adventures in strip clubs, but I would love to read about his neck injury. However, I don't think this article is trashy, but at least I understand how you feel.
If you'd hate to read an article of Pacman Jones ,about his strip club adventures, you must absolutely loathe it being a verdict of how one should perceive his persona, whether or not you agree with it. It is trashtalk. Much like this article. It is unprofessional.

Naniwa, unlike Brock is not here to sell an (imaginary) image, but to compete. He didn't agree to be hero/villain, and let that be a selling point to the game/news site.

Woah bro, the article is stating that Naniwa is both a player and a badass motherfucker who gives less than two shits about his image and would rather tweet some mildly offensive stuff instead.

The esports scene is not just about what players play, but also about the players themselves. I wouldn't say that the article was too extremely opinion-based. It was a pretty solid objective overview of Naniwa, as a person and player. I can understand one not caring for those types of articles and only wanting to see articles pertaining to Starcraft material exclusively, though. Unfortunately, that is not all TL cares about, and that's not all SC2 fans care about, either.

There are some parts of the article that make some assumptions; However, those assumptions are pretty logical.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-22 05:41:09
January 22 2015 05:38 GMT
#659
On January 22 2015 12:25 Blargh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2015 11:49 Dracolich70 wrote:
On January 22 2015 11:40 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Dracolich70, we have different views on how the media (i.e. TL) should develop articles, and those views differ greatly. Whether it is newsworthy or tabloid trash is debatable but I don't want to get into a big debate over the merits of this article, because it would end up no where.

I do understand your objection, and to a certain degree you are correct. I would hate to read an article on ESPN about Pacman Jones and his adventures in strip clubs, but I would love to read about his neck injury. However, I don't think this article is trashy, but at least I understand how you feel.
If you'd hate to read an article of Pacman Jones ,about his strip club adventures, you must absolutely loathe it being a verdict of how one should perceive his persona, whether or not you agree with it. It is trashtalk. Much like this article. It is unprofessional.

Naniwa, unlike Brock is not here to sell an (imaginary) image, but to compete. He didn't agree to be hero/villain, and let that be a selling point to the game/news site.

Woah bro, the article is stating that Naniwa is both a player and a badass motherfucker who gives less than two shits about his image and would rather tweet some mildly offensive stuff instead.

The esports scene is not just about what players play, but also about the players themselves. I wouldn't say that the article was too extremely opinion-based. It was a pretty solid objective overview of Naniwa, as a person and player. I can understand one not caring for those types of articles and only wanting to see articles pertaining to Starcraft material exclusively, though. Unfortunately, that is not all TL cares about, and that's not all SC2 fans care about, either.

There are some parts of the article that make some assumptions; However, those assumptions are pretty logical.
Yeah, I understand that this article is at large, "Naniwa is back, please resume your past opinion of him, in case you forgot, here it is.". Though much of it is created by overexaggerated media to create drama and fueling opinons for those finding it hard to have one, and trying to act like this is just how it is, or just reflecting peoples opinions. nor does it leave any room for moving on for any.

As I said in my initial post, "It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player",

Or as Waxangel says it, "good work stuchiu, keeping SC2 alive".

Well, I will leave it, realizing what it has become. Hope it doesn´t spread to the Dota 2 and HS section. Have fun.
LiangHao
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 22 2015 05:40 GMT
#660
do u even read the recaps
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 22 2015 06:46 GMT
#661
On January 22 2015 14:40 lichter wrote:
do u even read the recaps


Too busy getting outraged!
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 22 2015 06:53 GMT
#662
On January 22 2015 15:46 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2015 14:40 lichter wrote:
do u even read the recaps


Too busy getting outraged!

wtf you won liquibets too? how many staff won that?
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 22 2015 08:12 GMT
#663
On January 22 2015 15:46 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2015 14:40 lichter wrote:
do u even read the recaps


Too busy getting outraged!

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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-22 09:47:12
January 22 2015 09:46 GMT
#664
On January 22 2015 15:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2015 15:46 stuchiu wrote:
On January 22 2015 14:40 lichter wrote:
do u even read the recaps


Too busy getting outraged!

wtf you won liquibets too? how many staff won that?

He won the Brood War one
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
January 23 2015 03:28 GMT
#665
Has nani commented in here yet? He normally has some solid 1 liners.
User was warned for too many mimes.
Decoutan
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany11 Posts
January 23 2015 18:28 GMT
#666
Yes he has.
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
January 23 2015 18:31 GMT
#667
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 23 2015 18:32 GMT
#668
On January 23 2015 12:28 docvoc wrote:
Has nani commented in here yet? He normally has some solid 1 liners.

He hasn't. I'm sure he is intentionally staying away from this thread too.
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TL+ Member
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
January 25 2015 23:40 GMT
#669
On January 24 2015 03:31 SatedSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2015 12:28 docvoc wrote:
Has nani commented in here yet? He normally has some solid 1 liners.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=&t=c&f=-1&u=Naniwa&gb=date

Nani hype!
Hot_Ice
Profile Joined January 2013
139 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-27 14:09:42
January 27 2015 13:53 GMT
#670
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Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10121 Posts
January 27 2015 16:22 GMT
#671
It only took 4 posts into shitstorm. Amazing. I think we need a new scale to measure sc2 polarizing personalities.
w3c.TruE
Profile Joined November 2013
Czech Republic1055 Posts
January 27 2015 18:36 GMT
#672
On January 28 2015 01:22 Godwrath wrote:
It only took 4 posts into shitstorm. Amazing. I think we need a new scale to measure sc2 polarizing personalities.

Hahaha, yeah. I simply LOVE this thread.
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gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-27 18:51:15
January 27 2015 18:50 GMT
#673
On January 22 2015 14:38 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2015 12:25 Blargh wrote:
On January 22 2015 11:49 Dracolich70 wrote:
On January 22 2015 11:40 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Dracolich70, we have different views on how the media (i.e. TL) should develop articles, and those views differ greatly. Whether it is newsworthy or tabloid trash is debatable but I don't want to get into a big debate over the merits of this article, because it would end up no where.

I do understand your objection, and to a certain degree you are correct. I would hate to read an article on ESPN about Pacman Jones and his adventures in strip clubs, but I would love to read about his neck injury. However, I don't think this article is trashy, but at least I understand how you feel.
If you'd hate to read an article of Pacman Jones ,about his strip club adventures, you must absolutely loathe it being a verdict of how one should perceive his persona, whether or not you agree with it. It is trashtalk. Much like this article. It is unprofessional.

Naniwa, unlike Brock is not here to sell an (imaginary) image, but to compete. He didn't agree to be hero/villain, and let that be a selling point to the game/news site.

Woah bro, the article is stating that Naniwa is both a player and a badass motherfucker who gives less than two shits about his image and would rather tweet some mildly offensive stuff instead.

The esports scene is not just about what players play, but also about the players themselves. I wouldn't say that the article was too extremely opinion-based. It was a pretty solid objective overview of Naniwa, as a person and player. I can understand one not caring for those types of articles and only wanting to see articles pertaining to Starcraft material exclusively, though. Unfortunately, that is not all TL cares about, and that's not all SC2 fans care about, either.

There are some parts of the article that make some assumptions; However, those assumptions are pretty logical.
Yeah, I understand that this article is at large, "Naniwa is back, please resume your past opinion of him, in case you forgot, here it is.". Though much of it is created by overexaggerated media to create drama and fueling opinons for those finding it hard to have one, and trying to act like this is just how it is, or just reflecting peoples opinions. nor does it leave any room for moving on for any.

As I said in my initial post, "It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player",

Or as Waxangel says it, "good work stuchiu, keeping SC2 alive".

Well, I will leave it, realizing what it has become. Hope it doesn´t spread to the Dota 2 and HS section. Have fun.

Implying tagging individuals in sports as hero/villain is somehow connected to the success/popularity of said sport? It's a common trope that's used in thousands of news sites for all kinds of sports, like it or not.
danteafk
Profile Joined May 2011
307 Posts
January 28 2015 21:06 GMT
#674
this is the best thing that could happen for the sc2 community.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
January 28 2015 21:15 GMT
#675
Naniwa has the aura of a winner. Someone who makes his own path as the greatest foreigner.
rip passion
Orr
Profile Joined February 2014
United States168 Posts
January 29 2015 02:50 GMT
#676
Great writeup. Naniwa is awesome. Heels make life more interesting. And for a scene with personalities as bland as SC2, he's a godsend. The fact that he's more talented than everyone here makes it all the more enjoyable.
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2101 Posts
January 29 2015 02:52 GMT
#677
On January 29 2015 11:50 Orr wrote:
Great writeup. Naniwa is awesome. Heels make life more interesting. And for a scene with personalities as bland as SC2, he's a godsend. The fact that he's more talented than everyone here makes it all the more enjoyable.

I think if he wasn't a talented player, he'd be the equivalent of Avilo...
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
January 29 2015 09:44 GMT
#678
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Damogron
Profile Joined June 2012
United States6 Posts
January 29 2015 20:10 GMT
#679
Enjoyed the article. It's amazing when a writer can hit all the notes of a player and as a reader remember those moments as well.
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 29 2015 20:27 GMT
#680
Naniwa is the swag_bro of professional Starcraft 2.
Cogito, ergo toss.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 29 2015 20:30 GMT
#681
On January 30 2015 05:27 ClueClueClue wrote:
Naniwa is the swag_bro of professional Starcraft 2.

Except swag_bro is banned.
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VSeeker
Profile Joined December 2014
Germany1 Post
January 30 2015 05:42 GMT
#682
On January 18 2015 13:57 hatp wrote:
NaNiwa is autistic

User was warned for this post


I am autist too, problems with it, is it just an observation or are you trying to be Mean =?
An executor must do, what he has to do.
iEatWoofers
Profile Joined August 2011
Switzerland108 Posts
January 30 2015 13:43 GMT
#683
I liked him until that IEM thing. I guess that was the straw that broke the camels back for me. I only respect his skill now.
iEatWoofers
Profile Joined August 2011
Switzerland108 Posts
January 30 2015 13:51 GMT
#684
On January 30 2015 14:42 VSeeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 13:57 hatp wrote:
NaNiwa is autistic

User was warned for this post


I am autist too, problems with it, is it just an observation or are you trying to be Mean =?


Recently it's being used as an insult more and more on the internet. He was just being an ass.
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2627 Posts
January 30 2015 13:56 GMT
#685
On January 29 2015 11:50 Orr wrote:
Great writeup. Naniwa is awesome. Heels make life more interesting. And for a scene with personalities as bland as SC2, he's a godsend. The fact that he's more talented than everyone here makes it all the more enjoyable.


The 10 post acounts that come to say Naniwa is god.

TL turning into Reddit little by little.

Thanks Oba- I mean thanks Naniwa !!
Sakray
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
France2198 Posts
January 30 2015 14:36 GMT
#686
On January 30 2015 22:56 Lexender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2015 11:50 Orr wrote:
Great writeup. Naniwa is awesome. Heels make life more interesting. And for a scene with personalities as bland as SC2, he's a godsend. The fact that he's more talented than everyone here makes it all the more enjoyable.


The 10 post acounts that come to say Naniwa is god.

TL turning into Reddit little by little.

Thanks Oba- I mean thanks Naniwa !!


So now it's forbidden to make that kind of post if you have less than X posts ?
Wtf is wrong with you dude

It took me 1 or 2 years to make my account after discovering TL, stop acting like an elitist ffs
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20284 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 01:25:05
January 31 2015 01:01 GMT
#687
On January 30 2015 22:51 iEatWoofers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2015 14:42 VSeeker wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:57 hatp wrote:
NaNiwa is autistic

User was warned for this post


I am autist too, problems with it, is it just an observation or are you trying to be Mean =?


Recently it's being used as an insult more and more on the internet. He was just being an ass.


Yea it really is, i think the destiny streamviewer crowd is a huge part of it. Any time you go near there (a lot of people saying it with Grey Goo for example, after destiny/huk playing) it's quite obvious. People are happy using whatever words as general insults or talking down on others because of perceived inferiority especially if somebody leading their "group" is doing it.
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