EPTNaNiwa vs The World: The Icon and the Pariah - Page 33
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PappiJoe
Denmark1 Post
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Caladan
Germany1238 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 21 2015 04:22 niteReloaded wrote: Yes, if you would HONESTLY wish to act differently. In the case that you would wish to do illegal things, then it's smart to not do them even if you would like to, as you may end up in prison. But in a case of being 'nice' to people you don't like, out of fear of them disapproving you, then it's weak i'd say. But in the case it's not illegal but you're being a bane for people around by your attitude? How is being impolite and obnoxious for the people you live with being "strong" and the opposite, doing necessary sacrifices to live in good society with others, being "weak"? | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
On January 21 2015 05:58 OtherWorld wrote: But in the case it's not illegal but you're being a bane for people around by your attitude? How is being impolite and obnoxious for the people you live with being "strong" and the opposite, doing necessary sacrifices to live in good society with others, being "weak"? I repeat what I said in a prior post. If you control your urges out of empathy and realizing your actions may hurt others, then it's ok. But if you don't have empathy, but are surpressing yourself out of fear of being judged, then it's weak imo. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On topic: any chance of Nani streaming, so that we can watch him lose, whine and insult, being provoked and overly retaliate. And play some great games ofc!  I think it'd be 4 games of streaming before the first major insult towards a known player. Over/under anyone? | ||
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OveRtheStarS
Canada69 Posts
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Narbie
United States2 Posts
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lookfirewood
1212 Posts
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote: Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough he he, lol, whatever | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On January 22 2015 03:32 boxerfred wrote: GUYS: check this out if you're still ranting pro or con naniwa. lmao! Happy berfday, gl and hf! | ||
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swag_bro
Japan782 Posts
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danteafk
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On January 20 2015 11:47 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: Brock is paid to be an entertainer, a target of hate or love(or indifference) - he has agreed to it, selling an imaginary image is what he also do. That is the business that he is in. eSport is virtual sports of competitors. Sure, people can like/dislike/be fanbois/be haters, but the difference should be what media tries to advocate. Naniwa is here to play a game. Media should focus on this, and leave the banter/stigmata/personal opinions to themselves or people. Media are not to form peoples opinions of a player, to the degree of hate/love/hero/villain. Therefore this article is trash, not becoming of a eSport news site, such as TL, unless they are aiming to be a click-tabloid.I don't understand your post. My example of Brock was to show how talent plus personality can really bring in the ratings. The element of entertainment is a core aspect of any content, and whether you are entertained because of the players skills, or their personality, it doesn't make much difference. Sure, Naniwa doesn't play this game for the purpose of entertaining the audience. He is playing it for himself, but it's that exact attitude that makes the audience even more involved. And I don't think stuchiu's article demonized him into a villain or martyred him into a hero, because the audience is already polarized about Naniwa anyways, and this article only reminded us of who exactly is Naniwa. Drama garners more attention, but its never the focus. The focus will always be skill, and nothing will take that away. Do you honestly think we would care about Naniwa if he wasn't a great player? As I said before, Naniwa brings talent and ego, but he would be just another Avilo if he didn't have the talent. TL can write content with any angle they so wish, and perhaps they are using Naniwa's image to sell better content, but they never lied about anything. In my opinion, all they did was state the facts, and let the reader form their own opinion, which is responsible journalism. If you feel TL has strayed from some holy honor of esports, then that is your respectful right, but I like my steak with sauce. TL can do what they want, but it doesn't remove opinions on what they are doing/allowing from news writers. | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
I do understand your objection, and to a certain degree you are correct. I would hate to read an article on ESPN about Pacman Jones and his adventures in strip clubs, but I would love to read about his neck injury. However, I don't think this article is trashy, but at least I understand how you feel. | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On January 22 2015 11:40 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: If you'd hate to read an article of Pacman Jones ,about his strip club adventures, you must absolutely loathe it being a verdict of how one should perceive his persona, whether or not you agree with it. It is trashtalk. Much like this article. It is unprofessional.Dracolich70, we have different views on how the media (i.e. TL) should develop articles, and those views differ greatly. Whether it is newsworthy or tabloid trash is debatable but I don't want to get into a big debate over the merits of this article, because it would end up no where. I do understand your objection, and to a certain degree you are correct. I would hate to read an article on ESPN about Pacman Jones and his adventures in strip clubs, but I would love to read about his neck injury. However, I don't think this article is trashy, but at least I understand how you feel. Naniwa, unlike Brock is not here to sell an (imaginary) image, but to compete. He didn't agree to be hero/villain, and let that be a selling point to the game/news site. | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On January 22 2015 11:49 Dracolich70 wrote: If you'd hate to read an article of Pacman Jones ,about his strip club adventures, you must absolutely loathe it being a verdict of how one should perceive his persona, whether or not you agree with it. It is trashtalk. Much like this article. It is unprofessional. Naniwa, unlike Brock is not here to sell an (imaginary) image, but to compete. He didn't agree to be hero/villain, and let that be a selling point to the game/news site. This article didn't focus on Naniwa's persona, it also spoke about some of his accomplishments. Perhaps it could be written with less focus on Naniwa's image, and more about his skills and chances to advance, but like I said before, I like my steak with sauce. Although, I don't see this article as a verdict on Naniwa, but more of a sum of his talent and ego combined. | ||
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
On January 22 2015 11:49 Dracolich70 wrote: If you'd hate to read an article of Pacman Jones ,about his strip club adventures, you must absolutely loathe it being a verdict of how one should perceive his persona, whether or not you agree with it. It is trashtalk. Much like this article. It is unprofessional. Naniwa, unlike Brock is not here to sell an (imaginary) image, but to compete. He didn't agree to be hero/villain, and let that be a selling point to the game/news site. Woah bro, the article is stating that Naniwa is both a player and a badass motherfucker who gives less than two shits about his image and would rather tweet some mildly offensive stuff instead. The esports scene is not just about what players play, but also about the players themselves. I wouldn't say that the article was too extremely opinion-based. It was a pretty solid objective overview of Naniwa, as a person and player. I can understand one not caring for those types of articles and only wanting to see articles pertaining to Starcraft material exclusively, though. Unfortunately, that is not all TL cares about, and that's not all SC2 fans care about, either. There are some parts of the article that make some assumptions; However, those assumptions are pretty logical. | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On January 22 2015 12:25 Blargh wrote: Yeah, I understand that this article is at large, "Naniwa is back, please resume your past opinion of him, in case you forgot, here it is.". Though much of it is created by overexaggerated media to create drama and fueling opinons for those finding it hard to have one, and trying to act like this is just how it is, or just reflecting peoples opinions. nor does it leave any room for moving on for any.Woah bro, the article is stating that Naniwa is both a player and a badass motherfucker who gives less than two shits about his image and would rather tweet some mildly offensive stuff instead. The esports scene is not just about what players play, but also about the players themselves. I wouldn't say that the article was too extremely opinion-based. It was a pretty solid objective overview of Naniwa, as a person and player. I can understand one not caring for those types of articles and only wanting to see articles pertaining to Starcraft material exclusively, though. Unfortunately, that is not all TL cares about, and that's not all SC2 fans care about, either. There are some parts of the article that make some assumptions; However, those assumptions are pretty logical. As I said in my initial post, "It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player", Or as Waxangel says it, "good work stuchiu, keeping SC2 alive". Well, I will leave it, realizing what it has become. Hope it doesn´t spread to the Dota 2 and HS section. Have fun. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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