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On January 21 2015 00:45 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"
His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.
This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.
I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.
Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.
And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.
I don't see how people truly dislike that. ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down Right Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included  ) need to be who they truely are less often No, because if you're not who you are, you can never learn. Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does. If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet. Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"
His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.
This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.
I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.
Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.
And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.
I don't see how people truly dislike that. ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down Right Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm Yes that's a mistake.
Thing is, people who assholes and who are who they are tend to not get anywhere in the adult world. On the contrary, they usually end up lonely and isolated because no-one wants anything to do with them. It isfor this reason that parents teach their children how to behave in public. Some children learn easier than others, and there are the few that never learn at all.
Forcing someone to do something is not mistreating a person if that person is contractually obliged to those tasks.
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I like Nani. I'm a fan. He is damn good, creative with his own approach to the game, and true to himself. And don't forget, that the truth it's not always the best or right thing. It's just the truth, no hiding, no fear of outside criticism, no denying, the truth.
He's done some questionable things, sure. I have as well. Who hasn't? Nobody is perfect. I've never meant or tried to do harm or push around and make feel bad other people. But I have. Situations that clash with your personality. And for some people, Nani has too.
The thing is, even though I've never meant to do such things, I don't deny I did them. I don't hide. I don't blame other things. I'm to blame. I don't pretend to be a better person than what I already are, just high-lighting my achievements and strengths, and hiding and denying my weaknesses and mistakes.
Nani has stated several times he rages, that he is not a good looser, that he flames, that he hasn't reacted or showed the best behaviors at certain situations (Nestea & Polt). Does this means he is justified? Well, no, I guess not.
I don't know if I make my point clear. But Naniwa is Naniwa and he is not trying to be someone else or trying to be a crowd-pleaser. He probably never meant wrong (flaming and raging can't be really taken serious, its word-play. Do people always mean what they say? Just because you say something in Twitter it doesn't means you mean it. It just means you are ballsy), but he has never denied his actions.
People like to pick on him for some reason. He is not perfect sure. But what makes the other person a better one? Just because their mistakes haven't been exposed they have the right to bully on him? This makes them far worse in my opinion. And it only makes me think they want the attention by using Naniwa.
Naniwa is a hands-down dedicated and very skillful player which can't help speaking his mind and taking actions do to his emotions. I can't say I really know him, its just what I perceive from him.
People will love you for who you are and hate you for the very same reason.
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On January 21 2015 01:00 ClueClueClue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 00:45 niteReloaded wrote:On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"
His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.
This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.
I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.
Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.
And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.
I don't see how people truly dislike that. ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down Right Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often No, because if you're not who you are, you can never learn. Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does. If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet. On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"
His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.
This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.
I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.
Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.
And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.
I don't see how people truly dislike that. ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down Right Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm Yes that's a mistake. Who are you to decide whom others are and aren't? Can't we decide it ourselves? Isn't who we are always changing? Instead of this essentialism, let's try to be kind and fair to each other. What matters is not who we are, but what we do.
If you're not who you are, what you do will be weak, or your efforts will be unsustainable at long term..
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On January 21 2015 01:51 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 01:00 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 21 2015 00:45 niteReloaded wrote:On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"
His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.
This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.
I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.
Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.
And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.
I don't see how people truly dislike that. ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down Right Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often No, because if you're not who you are, you can never learn. Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does. If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet. On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"
His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.
This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.
I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.
Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.
And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.
I don't see how people truly dislike that. ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down Right Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm Yes that's a mistake. Who are you to decide whom others are and aren't? Can't we decide it ourselves? Isn't who we are always changing? Instead of this essentialism, let's try to be kind and fair to each other. What matters is not who we are, but what we do. If you're not who you are, what you do will be weak, or your efforts will be unsustainable at long term..
But who are we, if not our actions...?
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On January 21 2015 01:51 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 01:00 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 21 2015 00:45 niteReloaded wrote:On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"
His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.
This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.
I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.
Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.
And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.
I don't see how people truly dislike that. ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down Right Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often No, because if you're not who you are, you can never learn. Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does. If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet. On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"
His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.
This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.
I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.
Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.
And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.
I don't see how people truly dislike that. ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down Right Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm Yes that's a mistake. Who are you to decide whom others are and aren't? Can't we decide it ourselves? Isn't who we are always changing? Instead of this essentialism, let's try to be kind and fair to each other. What matters is not who we are, but what we do. If you're not who you are, what you do will be weak, or your efforts will be unsustainable at long term..
You haven't answered any of his questions though d:
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On January 21 2015 01:03 maartendq wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 00:45 niteReloaded wrote:On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"
His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.
This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.
I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.
Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.
And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.
I don't see how people truly dislike that. ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down Right Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often No, because if you're not who you are, you can never learn. Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does. If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet. On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"
His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.
This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.
I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.
Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.
And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.
I don't see how people truly dislike that. ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down Right Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm Yes that's a mistake. Thing is, people who assholes and who are who they are tend to not get anywhere in the adult world. On the contrary, they usually end up lonely and isolated because no-one wants anything to do with them.
I disagree.
Only the stubborn ones who don't have the ability of self-reflection end up like this.
If you are yourself always, but are willing to face the effects of your actions, you will learn, and you will become a softer person. There are numerous examples of people who were douchebags, but evolved. It's pointless to give examples, as it's not hard to remember one for any of us, but I'll still give one example - Mike Tyson.
He was a supreme idiot. But he was so strong and too much of a 'bigshot' to be willing to behave as he 'should' instead as he wants.
Listen to him now. He's a different person. And very very useful for the world as he can give amazing insights, as he's been on both sides. He's been the villan - not like Idra who does it because he feeds off of it, but because he was literally fucked up, he was authentically a nasty person.
If he's been in a different position, where he had to kiss up to others in order to fit in, he would be a 'nice guy' with a lot of unprocessed anger issues.
It isfor this reason that parents teach their children how to behave in public. Some children learn easier than others, and there are the few that never learn at all.
Forcing someone to do something is not mistreating a person if that person is contractually obliged to those tasks.
I will resist as hard as I can to teach my kid 'how to behave in public'.
I will only try to inform him things like: "if you're rude to somebody, it may offend him and hurt his feelings."
Useful, if-then sentences.
Not things like "do this!" or "do this because it's what people do"
I think it's very counter-productive for a proper development.
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On January 21 2015 02:05 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 01:51 niteReloaded wrote:On January 21 2015 01:00 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 21 2015 00:45 niteReloaded wrote:On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"
His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.
This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.
I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.
Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.
And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.
I don't see how people truly dislike that. ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down Right Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often No, because if you're not who you are, you can never learn. Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does. If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet. On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"
His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.
This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.
I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.
Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.
And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.
I don't see how people truly dislike that. ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down Right Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm Yes that's a mistake. Who are you to decide whom others are and aren't? Can't we decide it ourselves? Isn't who we are always changing? Instead of this essentialism, let's try to be kind and fair to each other. What matters is not who we are, but what we do. If you're not who you are, what you do will be weak, or your efforts will be unsustainable at long term.. You haven't answered any of his questions though d:
I don't know why he asked those questions, I don't know what he is referring to.
I am not the one to decide whom others are and aren't. Yes you can decide for yourself. Yes, who we are is always changing (I would use the word evolving).
On January 21 2015 01:58 ClueClueClue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 01:51 niteReloaded wrote:On January 21 2015 01:00 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 21 2015 00:45 niteReloaded wrote:On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"
His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.
This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.
I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.
Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.
And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.
I don't see how people truly dislike that. ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down Right Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often No, because if you're not who you are, you can never learn. Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does. If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet. On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"
His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.
This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.
I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.
Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.
And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.
I don't see how people truly dislike that. ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down Right Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm Yes that's a mistake. Who are you to decide whom others are and aren't? Can't we decide it ourselves? Isn't who we are always changing? Instead of this essentialism, let's try to be kind and fair to each other. What matters is not who we are, but what we do. If you're not who you are, what you do will be weak, or your efforts will be unsustainable at long term.. But who are we, if not our actions...?
Your actions can be in 'sync' with who you are, and 'out of sync'. Or to use a more poetic version: your actions can spring out of your heart, or they can be 'cold' and calculated.
You can do things because your heart truly wants you to do it. (sorry if somebody is annoyed by this abstract language)
Or you can do things you don't like, while hoping somebody will reward you for it.
You are in that case being weak, by preferring to do what somebody else likes, instead of what you like.
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I thought we are what we eat :D
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On January 21 2015 02:36 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 02:05 OtherWorld wrote:On January 21 2015 01:51 niteReloaded wrote:On January 21 2015 01:00 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 21 2015 00:45 niteReloaded wrote:On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"
His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.
This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.
I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.
Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.
And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.
I don't see how people truly dislike that. ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down Right Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often No, because if you're not who you are, you can never learn. Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does. If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet. On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"
His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.
This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.
I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.
Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.
And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.
I don't see how people truly dislike that. ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down Right Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm Yes that's a mistake. Who are you to decide whom others are and aren't? Can't we decide it ourselves? Isn't who we are always changing? Instead of this essentialism, let's try to be kind and fair to each other. What matters is not who we are, but what we do. If you're not who you are, what you do will be weak, or your efforts will be unsustainable at long term.. You haven't answered any of his questions though d: I don't know why he asked those questions, I don't know what he is referring to. I am not the one to decide whom others are and aren't. Yes you can decide for yourself. Yes, who we are is always changing (I would use the word evolving). Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 01:58 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 21 2015 01:51 niteReloaded wrote:On January 21 2015 01:00 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 21 2015 00:45 niteReloaded wrote:On January 21 2015 00:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"
His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.
This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.
I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.
Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.
And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.
I don't see how people truly dislike that. ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down Right Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious Exactly. There's nothing special or good about being who you want to be if you're not really a good person. Some people (me included ) need to be who they truely are less often No, because if you're not who you are, you can never learn. Only if you're truly yourself, you will learn why your behavior needs to change if it does. If you're always faking in fear others may react negatively, always playing safe - you will never be a useful person for this planet. On January 21 2015 00:25 Darkhorse wrote:On January 21 2015 00:06 niteReloaded wrote:
OP says "To praise his skill without acknowledging his flaws"
His 'flaws' are being who he is all the time, so I see it as beauty, not a flaw.
This world has too many 'nice boys, nice girls', and fake people.
I would simply say that anyone who doesnt like Naniwa is jealous as they don't have the courage to be who they are, while Naniwa does have it. It's simply being a hater.
Almost all of Nani's mistakes I can think of resulted from someone mistreating him:
- forcing him to play a tournament he didn't practice for.
- forcing him to play meaningless games etc.
And about his rage and manners: he doesn't owe you anything. he is just playing a game. It's your choice to watch him.
He has the right to behave as he wants. If the organizers wish to punish him for his behavior, they have the right to do so.
Naniwa is not malicious. He acts from his heart whether its fighting 'to death' or raging.
I don't see how people truly dislike that. ROFL nah I have the courage to be who I am but who I am isn't the kind of person who will wish for others to lose limbs/wish for someone to get cancer/call people autistic/quit due to stupid excuses Your argument is based on the premise that everyone is an asshole with no filter but most people are too scared to show the world that they're assholes. The courageous ones are the people who don't give a shit about anyone else and put others down Right Also I'd like to know what world you live in where name calling/wishing physical pain on someone isn't malicious Ok, I didn't know he did those things - wishing cancer and losing limbs...... hm Yes that's a mistake. Who are you to decide whom others are and aren't? Can't we decide it ourselves? Isn't who we are always changing? Instead of this essentialism, let's try to be kind and fair to each other. What matters is not who we are, but what we do. If you're not who you are, what you do will be weak, or your efforts will be unsustainable at long term.. But who are we, if not our actions...? Your actions can be in 'sync' with who you are, and 'out of sync'. Or to use a more poetic version: your actions can spring out of your heart, or they can be 'cold' and calculated. You can do things because your heart truly wants you to do it. (sorry if somebody is annoyed by this abstract language) Or you can do things you don't like, while hoping somebody will reward you for it. You are in that case being weak, by preferring to do what somebody else likes, instead of what you like.
It's all you, since the actions are yours. I wouldn't say any of my personal treats, positive or negative, are more "me" than others. I'm a wide spectrum of good and evil, and I choose to try and do good things - and so should NaNiwa. Explaining his behavior with him being "truthful" and "who he is" is really insulting, imo.
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Ok, I could agree its all you.
But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.
Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong.
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On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.
But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.
Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong.
So respecting basic social conventions and manners and not trying to enter in a conflict with every person you don't like is being a weak human?
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On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.
But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.
Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong.
I'd say that rude behavior is a sign of weakness, since you're succumbing to instinct without considering the consequences of your actions. How does always taking the easy route make you strong? Why would his first impulse to be the correct course of action? Gut feeling is really overrated imo, since it's basically our weaknesses, our pride and our prejudice shining through without being filtered through our consciousness. If anything, that makes those actions based on gut feeling less 'us' than others.
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On January 21 2015 03:09 ClueClueClue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.
But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.
Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong. I'd say that rude behavior is a sign of weakness, since you're succumbing to instinct without considering the consequences of your actions. How does always taking the easy route make you strong? Why would his first impulse to be the correct course of action? Gut feeling is really overrated imo, since it's basically our weaknesses, our pride and our prejudice shining through without being filtered through our consciousness. If anything, that makes those actions based on gut feeling less 'us' than others.
It's fallacious to imply rude people don't consider the consequence of their actions. In fact I believe a large portion of rude people do it perfectly intentionally for a wide variety of reasons.
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On January 21 2015 03:09 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.
But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.
Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong. So respecting basic social conventions and manners and not trying to enter in a conflict with every person you don't like is being a weak human?
It makes you A human. If you act exactly how you feel, all the time, there's something missing in either your upbringing or your mind. Only drunk people and small kids follow every single impulse, but they learn or sober up sooner or later.
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On January 21 2015 03:14 gruff wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 03:09 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.
But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.
Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong. I'd say that rude behavior is a sign of weakness, since you're succumbing to instinct without considering the consequences of your actions. How does always taking the easy route make you strong? Why would his first impulse to be the correct course of action? Gut feeling is really overrated imo, since it's basically our weaknesses, our pride and our prejudice shining through without being filtered through our consciousness. If anything, that makes those actions based on gut feeling less 'us' than others. It's fallacious to imply rude people don't consider the consequence of their actions. In fact I believe a large portion of rude people do it perfectly intentionally for a wide variety of reasons.
That's probably true, but the reason for that kind of behavior in each individual instance is often a lack of a long-term perspective. When in a line at the super market, a rude person would only care about getting quickly to the registry, and not how many people he/she shoved aside. When insulted, a rude person would retaliate with as much defensiveness as he/she could muster instead of walking away/disarming the insultor. If these people considered their own behavior to be rude, you could probably say that they're aware of the consequences of their actions, but I'm pretty sure most people don't see themselves that way, even if they behave badly. They're only doing what they have to to get what they want, they're following their instinct to do "their favorite thing", as Louis CK puts it. It's more so a lock missing in these people's minds than them being deliberately dislikeable.
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On January 21 2015 03:09 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.
But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.
Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong. So respecting basic social conventions and manners and not trying to enter in a conflict with every person you don't like is being a weak human?
Yes, if you would HONESTLY wish to act differently.
In the case that you would wish to do illegal things, then it's smart to not do them even if you would like to, as you may end up in prison. But in a case of being 'nice' to people you don't like, out of fear of them disapproving you, then it's weak i'd say.
On January 21 2015 03:09 ClueClueClue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.
But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.
Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong. I'd say that rude behavior is a sign of weakness, since you're succumbing to instinct without considering the consequences of your actions. How does always taking the easy route make you strong? Why would his first impulse to be the correct course of action? Gut feeling is really overrated imo, since it's basically our weaknesses, our pride and our prejudice shining through without being filtered through our consciousness. If anything, that makes those actions based on gut feeling less 'us' than others.
I'd say rude behavior is a sign of immaturity. While surpressing your true nature, even if it's immature, because you want to be liked, is weak/cowardly.
So, I'd say immature people often fake maturity as they are raised that way without being explained why its good to do 'mannered things'.
So they have no chance to learn true maturity as their 'rough edges' are never shown, and are never given the chance to be truly polished and smoothed out.
I would even maybe argue that the braves way to live, and a way that would be most fast when it comes to personal growth, would be to always follow the impulse. With time, if the impulse would result in negative results, the impulses would change, you would start seeing things in a different way.
Of course, the entire time I'm assuming the person has the ability to self-reflect and adjust.
On January 21 2015 03:26 ClueClueClue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 03:14 gruff wrote:On January 21 2015 03:09 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.
But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.
Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong. I'd say that rude behavior is a sign of weakness, since you're succumbing to instinct without considering the consequences of your actions. How does always taking the easy route make you strong? Why would his first impulse to be the correct course of action? Gut feeling is really overrated imo, since it's basically our weaknesses, our pride and our prejudice shining through without being filtered through our consciousness. If anything, that makes those actions based on gut feeling less 'us' than others. It's fallacious to imply rude people don't consider the consequence of their actions. In fact I believe a large portion of rude people do it perfectly intentionally for a wide variety of reasons. That's probably true, but the reason for that kind of behavior in each individual instance is often a lack of a long-term perspective. When in a line at the super market, a rude person would only care about getting quickly to the registry, and not how many people he/she shoved aside. When insulted, a rude person would retaliate with as much defensiveness as he/she could muster instead of walking away/disarming the insultor. If these people considered their own behavior to be rude, you could probably say that they're aware of the consequences of their actions, but I'm pretty sure most people don't see themselves that way, even if they behave badly. They're only doing what they have to to get what they want, they're following their instinct to do "their favorite thing", as Louis CK puts it. It's more so a lock missing in these people's minds than them being deliberately dislikeable.
So, why aren't you shoving people at the supermarket?
Is it because it's a 'social norm' or because you feel empathy for people?
If it's the former, you're a coward; if it's the latter, you're a healthy person.
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On January 21 2015 04:22 niteReloaded wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 03:09 OtherWorld wrote:On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.
But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.
Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong. So respecting basic social conventions and manners and not trying to enter in a conflict with every person you don't like is being a weak human? Yes, if you would HONESTLY wish to act differently. In the case that you would wish to do illegal things, then it's smart to not do them even if you would like to, as you may end up in prison. But in a case of being 'nice' to people you don't like, out of fear of them disapproving you, then it's weak i'd say. Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 03:09 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.
But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.
Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong. I'd say that rude behavior is a sign of weakness, since you're succumbing to instinct without considering the consequences of your actions. How does always taking the easy route make you strong? Why would his first impulse to be the correct course of action? Gut feeling is really overrated imo, since it's basically our weaknesses, our pride and our prejudice shining through without being filtered through our consciousness. If anything, that makes those actions based on gut feeling less 'us' than others. I'd say rude behavior is a sign of immaturity. While surpressing your true nature, even if it's immature, because you want to be liked, is weak/cowardly. So, I'd say immature people often fake maturity as they are raised that way without being explained why its good to do 'mannered things'. So they have no chance to learn true maturity as their 'rough edges' are never shown, and are never given the chance to be truly polished and smoothed out. I would even maybe argue that the braves way to live, and a way that would be most fast when it comes to personal growth, would be to always follow the impulse. With time, if the impulse would result in negative results, the impulses would change, you would start seeing things in a different way. Of course, the entire time I'm assuming the person has the ability to self-reflect and adjust. Show nested quote +On January 21 2015 03:26 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 21 2015 03:14 gruff wrote:On January 21 2015 03:09 ClueClueClue wrote:On January 21 2015 02:58 niteReloaded wrote:
Ok, I could agree its all you.
But if you are acting in a way you don't like, in order for someone else to like you: then it's still you. You're a weak human.
Naniwa is a strong human. Not too mannered, but strong. I'd say that rude behavior is a sign of weakness, since you're succumbing to instinct without considering the consequences of your actions. How does always taking the easy route make you strong? Why would his first impulse to be the correct course of action? Gut feeling is really overrated imo, since it's basically our weaknesses, our pride and our prejudice shining through without being filtered through our consciousness. If anything, that makes those actions based on gut feeling less 'us' than others. It's fallacious to imply rude people don't consider the consequence of their actions. In fact I believe a large portion of rude people do it perfectly intentionally for a wide variety of reasons. That's probably true, but the reason for that kind of behavior in each individual instance is often a lack of a long-term perspective. When in a line at the super market, a rude person would only care about getting quickly to the registry, and not how many people he/she shoved aside. When insulted, a rude person would retaliate with as much defensiveness as he/she could muster instead of walking away/disarming the insultor. If these people considered their own behavior to be rude, you could probably say that they're aware of the consequences of their actions, but I'm pretty sure most people don't see themselves that way, even if they behave badly. They're only doing what they have to to get what they want, they're following their instinct to do "their favorite thing", as Louis CK puts it. It's more so a lock missing in these people's minds than them being deliberately dislikeable. So, why aren't you shoving people at the supermarket? Is it because it's a 'social norm' or because you feel empathy for people? If it's the former, you're a coward; if it's the latter, you're a healthy person.
Making some sacrifices in order to function in civilized society isn't cowardice...
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Ideas for future topics:
The Will to All-ins
On the Genealogy of Cheese
GG/or
The Wealth of 3base
Critique of Pure Macro
Thus Spoke David Kim
The Open Natural and Its Enemies
Das Goldbase
Foreigner, all too Foreigner
Dialectic of Brood War
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Whats the problem? People are desperate to see a foreigner that is able to win tournaments. That I can understand and people who dislike him for so many reasons I can understand too. Its sad that the community gathers behind a person like him because all the foreigners we have that have/had a payment to play full-time just disappointed.
In this thread you see how desperate the fans are. They bow to a person who tried it in LoL / Dota and last in Hots but failed miserable. And he has to be the saviour for foreigner SC2...yeah sure.
Let the "fans" hope and let the "haters" hate. Both have good reasons to do this. Accept it, tolerate it! Always this fundamentalist Christians...
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On January 21 2015 04:49 SmoKim wrote:
Ideas for future topics:
The Will to All-ins
On the Genealogy of Cheese
GG/or
The Wealth of 3base
Critique of Pure Macro
Thus Spoke David Kim
The Open Natural and Its Enemies
Das Goldbase
Foreigner, all too Foreigner
Dialectic of Brood War
And KesPa shrugged.
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