• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 21:40
CET 03:40
KST 11:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1
StarCraft 2
General
Liquibets sc2 season 30 Evil Geniuses - shutting down Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR?
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles Mutation # 548 Shining Bright
Brood War
General
Top Players of October 2026 (EBPD Rankings) [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos BW General Discussion Rollback Netcode in Brood War How SKT1 S-Tiers Felt To Be Swept By Flash
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll [IPSL] IPSL Winter 26-27 Ro24 is HERE!
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Deus Ex 3!? Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 24258 users

NaNiwa vs The World: The Icon and the Pariah - Page 30

Forum Index > SC2 General
686 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 28 29 30 31 32 35 Next All
Season
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States301 Posts
January 19 2015 19:10 GMT
#581
On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.


I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy


That's a pretty hypocritical statement right there.. Attacking both Naniwa and a random TL fan in back to back sentences. What makes you any better of a person? I fail to see it
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1841 Posts
January 19 2015 19:13 GMT
#582
On January 20 2015 04:10 Season wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:
On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft.


Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough


This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier....

You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again.


I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy


That's a pretty hypocritical statement right there.. Attacking both Naniwa and a random TL fan in back to back sentences. What makes you any better of a person? I fail to see it

Yeah plus that at the end of the sentence really adds to the insult imo. I love the banter between the pros but wish the fans would be left out of it.

Region lock and the return of Naniwa have me hyped as fuck for this year.
TL+ Member
Enel
Profile Joined April 2012
Sudan430 Posts
January 19 2015 20:02 GMT
#583
Naniwa for blizzcon champion 2015
Go Sudan
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
January 19 2015 20:12 GMT
#584
Couldn't be happier
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 19 2015 20:13 GMT
#585
On January 20 2015 05:12 igay wrote:
Couldn't be happier

you could almost say you're gay!
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Naikonz
Profile Joined October 2014
Romania65 Posts
January 19 2015 20:18 GMT
#586
mYiKane: You are not a good enough player to be insulting people like that. Also, you are an embarrassment to your team and your country with no significant results in your career. Can't wait for the Colonel qxc to kick the living shit out of you.

User was warned for this post
Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
January 19 2015 20:39 GMT
#587
Naniwa is good for the scene, period.
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
January 19 2015 20:51 GMT
#588
On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:
On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.

That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too...

It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result.


Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far.

"Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa.


Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.

easy to avoid the main point when the supporting argument is weak.

love western argumentation
Founder of Flow Enterprises, LLC http://flow-enterprises.com/
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
January 19 2015 20:58 GMT
#589
Have to admit I got some goosebumps reading the article. Very good read! Naniwa made SC2 interesting no matter if you hate or love him and in the end that's all that matters.

~ T-ARA ~ DREAMCATCHER ~ EVERGLOW ~ OH MY GIRL ~ DIA ~ BOL4 ~ CHUNGHA ~
icydergosu
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
528 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 21:25:24
January 19 2015 21:24 GMT
#590
Just look at NaNiwa's face. The face of a thinker, a warrior, a man for all seasons. Yes, NaNiwa is all that and more but he is not perfect. Perhaps his greatest flaw is that he is too selfless, he cares too much for his fellow Brotoss with nary a thought for himself. A man of limitless accomplishments and unbridled modesty.

I can safely say that to know him is to love him and to love him is to know him. Those who know him love him while those who do not know him love him from afar.
I am the Punishment of God. If you had not commited great sins, god would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 21:56:14
January 19 2015 21:54 GMT
#591
On January 20 2015 06:24 icydergosu wrote:
Just look at NaNiwa's face. The face of a thinker, a warrior, a man for all seasons. Yes, NaNiwa is all that and more but he is not perfect. Perhaps his greatest flaw is that he is too selfless, he cares too much for his fellow Brotoss with nary a thought for himself. A man of limitless accomplishments and unbridled modesty.

I can safely say that to know him is to love him and to love him is to know him. Those who know him love him while those who do not know him love him from afar.

Greatest single post in this thread. And there's been quite a few contenders.
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
rewired
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada630 Posts
January 19 2015 22:23 GMT
#592
Honestly I never used to care about Naniwa, then I realized that I just didn't follow Sc2 anymore. I was bored watching the game and had moved on. But I still found myself watching Naniwa matches cause he almost always found a way to piss his opponent or a bunch of fans off.

Turns out I had been such a secret Naniwa fan that I didn't even know it myself. He combines high skill with making the game more interesting by creating storylines in all his matches. Hell he even creates stories out of his ladder struggles by declaring war on Blizzard and Swarm Hosts.

All hail the Naniwa!!!.....I guess.
The road isn't always straight.
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
January 19 2015 23:03 GMT
#593
Maybe somone at Blizzards SC2 unit is into wrestling, they could make Naniwa vs Nerchio a career vs career no holds barred match. Looser goes into retirement, everything is allowed (disconnecting opponents keyboard, stream-cheating, ddos attacks). Could really push this to the next level
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 19 2015 23:10 GMT
#594
NaNiwa might be bad, but he's perfectly good at it.
Cogito, ergo toss.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
January 19 2015 23:14 GMT
#595
NaNiwa vs The World? NaNiwins. EZ
I Protoss winner, could it be?
[DVH]Huginn
Profile Joined July 2013
Netherlands32 Posts
January 19 2015 23:29 GMT
#596
To NaNiwalk or NaNiwalk away, that is the question.
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
January 19 2015 23:58 GMT
#597
He can talk the NaNitalk, but can he walk the NaNiwalk?
Cogito, ergo toss.
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-20 00:09:52
January 20 2015 00:05 GMT
#598
On January 19 2015 08:34 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 07:47 Dracolich70 wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:30 Blargh wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:16 Dracolich70 wrote:
It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player, and made into an article. Awful. Not sure if it is a slippery slope of regression for Starcraft or this site. Probably both.


Many would argue both. Especially the first one in my eyes. I haven't been around long enought to truely say anything about the second, but I do think this article was super unneccissary.

Oh c'mon. It's just fun humor on one of the most controversial SC2 players of all time. Plus, it helps to inform people that Naniwa is back from retirement.

And the Starcraft/E-sports scene has always been a sucker for player/team drama. People like seeing rage, insults, IRL fights between two scrawny players, etc.
Not really. You are talking about the group of people that translate a traffic accident as entertainment in their empty lives, and lack the empathy to do nothing else but laugh.

eSport is not built on drama, but the games themselves. If not, it lacks quality in itself. Players should be treated with some respect, not targeted as fun humor.

I agree its not build on drama, but the drama will attract more attention. When rivalries and grudges occur, the games become more entertaining.

Dana White understands how the drama can bring in more viewers; he signed Brock Lesnar for that very reason. Of course, the fighter/player has to have the skills necessary to enter the octagon/sit behind the screen.

I enjoy watching Naniwa because he is a beast at this game, but also because I want to see someone stomp him.

Is drama necessary to garner more attention? No. Will drama garner more attention? Yes.

I am not saying Starcraft 2 needs players like Naniwa and Idra, but when we do have these kinds of characters it makes the games more enjoyable.

To Naniwa, I wish you the best of luck, and I truly hope you make it to Premier league. I also hope that you get floor stomped in the Challenger league.

You are the only player that I will cheer and jeer. Keep on doing what you are doing. I am glad you are back.
But I am sure Brock Lesnar agrees to the fact that he is brought in as entertainment, as that element is part of MMA/Wrestling, while Naniwa does not.

These are young kids, playing games, and the media are trying to target them with labels of hero/villain is just wrong, as it only there to bring hateful notions to players, and shows more how desperate the state of Starcraft must be in. It is about branding him in an image, so they can sell their stuff, rather than sell him as a good player, which he is.

If drama garner more attention, then it tells the story that the game can't sell itself, or the audience need something not related to the game to be peaked. This is not a circus, but eSports. If TL wants to beat this drum, they have lost the path in my eyes.


LiangHao
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1841 Posts
January 20 2015 00:08 GMT
#599
On January 20 2015 08:58 ClueClueClue wrote:
He can talk the NaNitalk, but can he walk the NaNiwalk?


When he beat Flash 2-1 then narrowly lost the group final 4-3 at MLG Dallas 2012, that's when I knew. Also one of those games he proxy immortal busted him, something I had rarely, if ever seen. That's ballin' status.
TL+ Member
Apoteosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile820 Posts
January 20 2015 00:10 GMT
#600
On January 20 2015 09:05 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 08:34 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:47 Dracolich70 wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:30 Blargh wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On January 19 2015 07:16 Dracolich70 wrote:
It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player, and made into an article. Awful. Not sure if it is a slippery slope of regression for Starcraft or this site. Probably both.


Many would argue both. Especially the first one in my eyes. I haven't been around long enought to truely say anything about the second, but I do think this article was super unneccissary.

Oh c'mon. It's just fun humor on one of the most controversial SC2 players of all time. Plus, it helps to inform people that Naniwa is back from retirement.

And the Starcraft/E-sports scene has always been a sucker for player/team drama. People like seeing rage, insults, IRL fights between two scrawny players, etc.
Not really. You are talking about the group of people that translate a traffic accident as entertainment in their empty lives, and lack the empathy to do nothing else but laugh.

eSport is not built on drama, but the games themselves. If not, it lacks quality in itself. Players should be treated with some respect, not targeted as fun humor.

I agree its not build on drama, but the drama will attract more attention. When rivalries and grudges occur, the games become more entertaining.

Dana White understands how the drama can bring in more viewers; he signed Brock Lesnar for that very reason. Of course, the fighter/player has to have the skills necessary to enter the octagon/sit behind the screen.

I enjoy watching Naniwa because he is a beast at this game, but also because I want to see someone stomp him.

Is drama necessary to garner more attention? No. Will drama garner more attention? Yes.

I am not saying Starcraft 2 needs players like Naniwa and Idra, but when we do have these kinds of characters it makes the games more enjoyable.

To Naniwa, I wish you the best of luck, and I truly hope you make it to Premier league. I also hope that you get floor stomped in the Challenger league.

You are the only player that I will cheer and jeer. Keep on doing what you are doing. I am glad you are back.
But I am sure Brock Lesnar agrees to the fact that he is brought in as entertainment, as that element is part of MMA/Wrestling.

These are young kids, playing games, and the media are trying to target them with labels of hero/villain is just wrong, and shows more how desperate the state of Starcraft must be in. It is about branding him in an image, so they can sell their stuff, rather than sell him as a good player, which he is.

If drama garner more attention, then it tells the story that the game can't sell itself, or the audience need something not related to the game to be peaked. This is not a circus, but eSports. If TL wants to beat this drum, they have lost the path in my eyes.




Yea, sure, because we humans are robots who enjoy objective, standard, and impersonal games, and never get out of the frame.
I assume you play macro, right?

SC2 is the game itself, and everything that surround it, including its players and their personalities. If you do not like that way, you better reconsider your enjoyment of an individual sport like SC2.
Life won like 200k and didn't hire a proper criminal lawyer.
Prev 1 28 29 30 31 32 35 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Cup
10:00
#106
PiGStarcraft443
CranKy Ducklings51
EnkiAlexander 48
davetesta31
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft443
RuFF_SC2 172
CosmosSc2 40
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 2209
Artosis 605
ProTech109
White-Ra 83
Aegong 50
Dewaltoss 19
Force[name] 7
Dota 2
canceldota265
LuMiX0
League of Legends
Doublelift4518
JimRising 805
Counter-Strike
fl0m2713
taco 436
Other Games
summit1g10785
Day[9].tv632
XaKoH 323
C9.Mang0301
Maynarde134
ViBE127
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick625
Counter-Strike
PGL110
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 62
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP17
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• ChaeLyn 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis1862
• Jankos1718
Other Games
• Day9tv632
Upcoming Events
Kung Fu Cup
8h 20m
Replay Cast
20h 20m
The PondCast
1d 7h
KCM Race Survival
1d 7h
OSC
1d 11h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
Reynor vs Solar
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs MaxPax
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
IPSL
3 days
WorsT vs nOmaD
Dewalt vs andersOn
AI Arena Tournament
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
IPSL
4 days
Azhi_Dahaki vs ggnore13
Double vs WIZARD
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-02
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

1xBet Invitational
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.