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On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft. Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough  This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier.... You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again. I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy
That's a pretty hypocritical statement right there.. Attacking both Naniwa and a random TL fan in back to back sentences. What makes you any better of a person? I fail to see it
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On January 20 2015 04:10 Season wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 14:04 mYiKane wrote:On January 18 2015 14:00 Jornada wrote:On January 18 2015 13:49 mYiKane wrote:On January 18 2015 13:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I wish Naniwa had never come back to Starcraft. Don't worry, he's bound to get boo'd into retirement again soon enough This may be true.... but at least he will make it to Premier.... You on the other hand.... have fun qualifying for challenger over and over again. I'd rather be a good person and a bad player than a shitty person and a good player. Also, I'd MUCH rather be a good person and a shitty player than a shitty player AND an irrelevant fanboy That's a pretty hypocritical statement right there.. Attacking both Naniwa and a random TL fan in back to back sentences. What makes you any better of a person? I fail to see it
Yeah plus that at the end of the sentence really adds to the insult imo. I love the banter between the pros but wish the fans would be left out of it.
Region lock and the return of Naniwa have me hyped as fuck for this year.
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Naniwa for blizzcon champion 2015
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On January 20 2015 05:12 igay wrote:
Couldn't be happier
you could almost say you're gay!
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mYiKane: You are not a good enough player to be insulting people like that. Also, you are an embarrassment to your team and your country with no significant results in your career. Can't wait for the Colonel qxc to kick the living shit out of you.
User was warned for this post
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Naniwa is good for the scene, period.
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On January 18 2015 15:08 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 15:05 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 15:01 stuchiu wrote:On January 18 2015 14:57 pigmanbear wrote:On January 18 2015 14:50 SoleSteeler wrote:
Almost everyone has a negative reaction to Nani when he insults them. When others insult each other they always seem to just brush it off. I guess Naniwa is more "serious" in his insults.
That said, I'm a huge fan of watching Nani's games and interviews. I find his personality fascinating too... It's because the other pros don't/won't come to Naniwas defense. And so you see some challenging him to a fight, wanting to see him physically hurt, like schoolyard bullies. They cannot best Naniwa in SC2 and they can't break his spirit, so this is the ugly result. Saying they can't best him may be taking it a bit far. "Best" doesn't mean "defeat in a game." It doesn't mean "defeat in a series" either, or "show better results in a tournament." Naniwa has had the most illustrious career of any foreigner, and immediately starts stomping face after not playing competitively for a long time. Stephano and IdrA are the only foreigners who can sit at the adults table with Naniwa. Thorzain, Jinro, Huk, Vortix, Sen, Scarlett have all had as good as or better careers than Idra in SC2 in terms of results, consistency and competitive environment.
easy to avoid the main point when the supporting argument is weak.
love western argumentation
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Have to admit I got some goosebumps reading the article. Very good read! Naniwa made SC2 interesting no matter if you hate or love him and in the end that's all that matters.
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Just look at NaNiwa's face. The face of a thinker, a warrior, a man for all seasons. Yes, NaNiwa is all that and more but he is not perfect. Perhaps his greatest flaw is that he is too selfless, he cares too much for his fellow Brotoss with nary a thought for himself. A man of limitless accomplishments and unbridled modesty.
I can safely say that to know him is to love him and to love him is to know him. Those who know him love him while those who do not know him love him from afar.
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On January 20 2015 06:24 icydergosu wrote:
Just look at NaNiwa's face. The face of a thinker, a warrior, a man for all seasons. Yes, NaNiwa is all that and more but he is not perfect. Perhaps his greatest flaw is that he is too selfless, he cares too much for his fellow Brotoss with nary a thought for himself. A man of limitless accomplishments and unbridled modesty.
I can safely say that to know him is to love him and to love him is to know him. Those who know him love him while those who do not know him love him from afar.
Greatest single post in this thread. And there's been quite a few contenders.
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Honestly I never used to care about Naniwa, then I realized that I just didn't follow Sc2 anymore. I was bored watching the game and had moved on. But I still found myself watching Naniwa matches cause he almost always found a way to piss his opponent or a bunch of fans off.
Turns out I had been such a secret Naniwa fan that I didn't even know it myself. He combines high skill with making the game more interesting by creating storylines in all his matches. Hell he even creates stories out of his ladder struggles by declaring war on Blizzard and Swarm Hosts.
All hail the Naniwa!!!.....I guess.
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Maybe somone at Blizzards SC2 unit is into wrestling, they could make Naniwa vs Nerchio a career vs career no holds barred match. Looser goes into retirement, everything is allowed (disconnecting opponents keyboard, stream-cheating, ddos attacks). Could really push this to the next level
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NaNiwa might be bad, but he's perfectly good at it.
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NaNiwa vs The World? NaNiwins. EZ
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To NaNiwalk or NaNiwalk away, that is the question.
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He can talk the NaNitalk, but can he walk the NaNiwalk?
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On January 19 2015 08:34 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 07:47 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 19 2015 07:30 Blargh wrote:On January 19 2015 07:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 19 2015 07:16 Dracolich70 wrote:
It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player, and made into an article. Awful. Not sure if it is a slippery slope of regression for Starcraft or this site. Probably both. Many would argue both. Especially the first one in my eyes. I haven't been around long enought to truely say anything about the second, but I do think this article was super unneccissary. Oh c'mon. It's just fun humor on one of the most controversial SC2 players of all time. Plus, it helps to inform people that Naniwa is back from retirement. And the Starcraft/E-sports scene has always been a sucker for player/team drama. People like seeing rage, insults, IRL fights between two scrawny players, etc. Not really. You are talking about the group of people that translate a traffic accident as entertainment in their empty lives, and lack the empathy to do nothing else but laugh. eSport is not built on drama, but the games themselves. If not, it lacks quality in itself. Players should be treated with some respect, not targeted as fun humor. I agree its not build on drama, but the drama will attract more attention. When rivalries and grudges occur, the games become more entertaining. Dana White understands how the drama can bring in more viewers; he signed Brock Lesnar for that very reason. Of course, the fighter/player has to have the skills necessary to enter the octagon/sit behind the screen. I enjoy watching Naniwa because he is a beast at this game, but also because I want to see someone stomp him. Is drama necessary to garner more attention? No. Will drama garner more attention? Yes. I am not saying Starcraft 2 needs players like Naniwa and Idra, but when we do have these kinds of characters it makes the games more enjoyable. To Naniwa, I wish you the best of luck, and I truly hope you make it to Premier league. I also hope that you get floor stomped in the Challenger league. You are the only player that I will cheer and jeer. Keep on doing what you are doing. I am glad you are back. But I am sure Brock Lesnar agrees to the fact that he is brought in as entertainment, as that element is part of MMA/Wrestling, while Naniwa does not.
These are young kids, playing games, and the media are trying to target them with labels of hero/villain is just wrong, as it only there to bring hateful notions to players, and shows more how desperate the state of Starcraft must be in. It is about branding him in an image, so they can sell their stuff, rather than sell him as a good player, which he is.
If drama garner more attention, then it tells the story that the game can't sell itself, or the audience need something not related to the game to be peaked. This is not a circus, but eSports. If TL wants to beat this drum, they have lost the path in my eyes.
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On January 20 2015 08:58 ClueClueClue wrote:
He can talk the NaNitalk, but can he walk the NaNiwalk?
When he beat Flash 2-1 then narrowly lost the group final 4-3 at MLG Dallas 2012, that's when I knew. Also one of those games he proxy immortal busted him, something I had rarely, if ever seen. That's ballin' status.
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On January 20 2015 09:05 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 08:34 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:On January 19 2015 07:47 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 19 2015 07:30 Blargh wrote:On January 19 2015 07:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On January 19 2015 07:16 Dracolich70 wrote:
It must be desperate times for Starcraft, if the hero/villain tag has to be placed on a player, and made into an article. Awful. Not sure if it is a slippery slope of regression for Starcraft or this site. Probably both. Many would argue both. Especially the first one in my eyes. I haven't been around long enought to truely say anything about the second, but I do think this article was super unneccissary. Oh c'mon. It's just fun humor on one of the most controversial SC2 players of all time. Plus, it helps to inform people that Naniwa is back from retirement. And the Starcraft/E-sports scene has always been a sucker for player/team drama. People like seeing rage, insults, IRL fights between two scrawny players, etc. Not really. You are talking about the group of people that translate a traffic accident as entertainment in their empty lives, and lack the empathy to do nothing else but laugh. eSport is not built on drama, but the games themselves. If not, it lacks quality in itself. Players should be treated with some respect, not targeted as fun humor. I agree its not build on drama, but the drama will attract more attention. When rivalries and grudges occur, the games become more entertaining. Dana White understands how the drama can bring in more viewers; he signed Brock Lesnar for that very reason. Of course, the fighter/player has to have the skills necessary to enter the octagon/sit behind the screen. I enjoy watching Naniwa because he is a beast at this game, but also because I want to see someone stomp him. Is drama necessary to garner more attention? No. Will drama garner more attention? Yes. I am not saying Starcraft 2 needs players like Naniwa and Idra, but when we do have these kinds of characters it makes the games more enjoyable. To Naniwa, I wish you the best of luck, and I truly hope you make it to Premier league. I also hope that you get floor stomped in the Challenger league. You are the only player that I will cheer and jeer. Keep on doing what you are doing. I am glad you are back. But I am sure Brock Lesnar agrees to the fact that he is brought in as entertainment, as that element is part of MMA/Wrestling. These are young kids, playing games, and the media are trying to target them with labels of hero/villain is just wrong, and shows more how desperate the state of Starcraft must be in. It is about branding him in an image, so they can sell their stuff, rather than sell him as a good player, which he is. If drama garner more attention, then it tells the story that the game can't sell itself, or the audience need something not related to the game to be peaked. This is not a circus, but eSports. If TL wants to beat this drum, they have lost the path in my eyes.
Yea, sure, because we humans are robots who enjoy objective, standard, and impersonal games, and never get out of the frame.
I assume you play macro, right?
SC2 is the game itself, and everything that surround it, including its players and their personalities. If you do not like that way, you better reconsider your enjoyment of an individual sport like SC2.
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