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NaNiwa vs The World: The Icon and the Pariah - Page 29

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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19366 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 09:08:14
January 19 2015 09:07 GMT
#561
On January 19 2015 10:59 ninazerg wrote:
I always stuck behind NaNiWa, and he'd pretty much have to throw a baby in front of a moving train for me to stop being a fan. He's awesome.

I always stuck behind ninazerg, and she'd pretty much have to throw Naniwa in front of a moving train for me to stop being a fan. She's awesome.
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Picasso
Profile Joined October 2013
Korea (South)52 Posts
January 19 2015 09:40 GMT
#562
On January 19 2015 10:51 [SXG]Phantom wrote:
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On January 19 2015 10:32 radscorpion9 wrote:
I'm interested in why the author "wouldn't have it any other way" with regards to who Naniwa is. This directly implies that he finds value and importance in the negativity, intense flaming, and emotional drama Naniwa creates, which is actually a pretty shocking statement on its own. Now I would agree that drama can be pretty exciting, just like a TV show, but when its all said and done I think the world is a better place without Naniwa's acerbic personality.



The thing is, even if the drama he creates sounds bad, its drama that is actually good for the game.

Like, for example, maybe ESL (or dreamhack) made better their soudproffing after naniwa statements.

After the probe rush thing, GSL stopped having playings playing stupid unnecessary matches.

And the other stuff, yeh, maybe it sounds bad, but it generates hype, viewers, passion, storylines etc. He really hans't done anythhing really bad like match fixing or anything, and so, i also wouldn't have it any other way.



gotta say I agree so strongly with this guy. Long live NaNiwa's SC2 career
-KG-
Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1219 Posts
January 19 2015 09:46 GMT
#563
Looking forward to NaNis comeback!!
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
January 19 2015 10:00 GMT
#564
On January 19 2015 16:27 Darkhorse wrote:
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On January 19 2015 16:05 Cascade wrote:
I think it correlates with socioeconomic factors. Street credit gangsters won't be upset by his behaviour. Snobbish academics will.

I'm sorry but I can't help but notice you just said "street credit gangsters"

I guess that classifies me as a snobbish academic?
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
January 19 2015 10:28 GMT
#565
On January 19 2015 16:29 OtherWorld wrote:
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On January 19 2015 15:45 Blargh wrote:
On January 19 2015 15:40 maartendq wrote:
I actually wonder whether age correlates to whether someone likes Naniwa or not. I can imagine teenagers liking his 'rebellious' attitude but (working) adults being annoyed by his constant unprofessionalism and childish behaviour.

As for me, I had hoped people like him and Idra left the scene altogether. People like them are just toxic.

It's that "toxicity" that keeps e-sports interesting. If I had to guess, Naniwa and Idra are two of the biggest contributors to the Starcraft 2 scene.

If you are interested, I am 21 years old, and I care far less about personalities than many people do. I care way more about skill and actual talent, which is why I liked Idra and Naniwa. Both were stubborn as hell, and both were genuine competitors.

Well, I guess it's the eternal skill vs drama debate. I personally don't think that that "toxicity" is good for the scene, I think a scene is healthy when the players' skill is high and their drama low (compare the NA pro scene with the KR one), but apparently many do think the other way.

Wow so much hate for NA. We all play the same game. How do you know there is no drama in Korea? Trust me, there is. It just doesn't make its way overseas all the time. If you're implying a correlation between drama and low skill, I think you're horribly mistaken.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 19 2015 10:39 GMT
#566
On January 19 2015 19:28 TRaFFiC wrote:
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On January 19 2015 16:29 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 19 2015 15:45 Blargh wrote:
On January 19 2015 15:40 maartendq wrote:
I actually wonder whether age correlates to whether someone likes Naniwa or not. I can imagine teenagers liking his 'rebellious' attitude but (working) adults being annoyed by his constant unprofessionalism and childish behaviour.

As for me, I had hoped people like him and Idra left the scene altogether. People like them are just toxic.

It's that "toxicity" that keeps e-sports interesting. If I had to guess, Naniwa and Idra are two of the biggest contributors to the Starcraft 2 scene.

If you are interested, I am 21 years old, and I care far less about personalities than many people do. I care way more about skill and actual talent, which is why I liked Idra and Naniwa. Both were stubborn as hell, and both were genuine competitors.

Well, I guess it's the eternal skill vs drama debate. I personally don't think that that "toxicity" is good for the scene, I think a scene is healthy when the players' skill is high and their drama low (compare the NA pro scene with the KR one), but apparently many do think the other way.

Wow so much hate for NA. We all play the same game. How do you know there is no drama in Korea? Trust me, there is. It just doesn't make its way overseas all the time. If you're implying a correlation between drama and low skill, I think you're horribly mistaken.

I'm not hating on NA, there was a video some times ago in which NA players themselves (Kane and Suppy iirc?) were saying that the NA scene was more concerned about drama than about the game itself. Sorry if I have misunderstood that video though. And there is probably drama in Korea ofc, but there are no twitter wars like here, no very visible drama.
There is obviously little to no correlation between drama and low skill, Naniwa being the living proof of that. I just think that in general when people care more about drama they care less about the games and vice versa.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 19 2015 10:44 GMT
#567
If anything drama in Korea is much much much worse
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SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
January 19 2015 11:03 GMT
#568
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maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
January 19 2015 11:34 GMT
#569
On January 19 2015 19:00 Cascade wrote:
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On January 19 2015 16:27 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 19 2015 16:05 Cascade wrote:
I think it correlates with socioeconomic factors. Street credit gangsters won't be upset by his behaviour. Snobbish academics will.

I'm sorry but I can't help but notice you just said "street credit gangsters"

I guess that classifies me as a snobbish academic?

Nothing wrong with having high standards when it comes to manners, as far as I know.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
January 19 2015 11:44 GMT
#570
On January 19 2015 19:00 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 16:27 Darkhorse wrote:
On January 19 2015 16:05 Cascade wrote:
I think it correlates with socioeconomic factors. Street credit gangsters won't be upset by his behaviour. Snobbish academics will.

I'm sorry but I can't help but notice you just said "street credit gangsters"

I guess that classifies me as a snobbish academic?

Let the bloody plebs talk.
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 13:12:13
January 19 2015 13:05 GMT
#571
On January 19 2015 07:41 Nerchio wrote:
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On January 19 2015 07:37 krneki wrote:
how you feelin' there, lil nerch'?

you know you cant afford to lose to a "semi-pro no-skill" protoss?

If anybody here is semi-pro, it's me, lol ;p


You're are earning your respect man, keep it on!
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28529 Posts
January 19 2015 13:13 GMT
#572

go it go it go
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2217 Posts
January 19 2015 13:48 GMT
#573
What a thread.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
January 19 2015 14:10 GMT
#574
On January 19 2015 09:59 The_Templar wrote:
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On January 19 2015 09:51 eVilo wrote:
Avilo is definitely the NA version of Naniwa. Of course, avilo is even more "amazing" considering his level of skills. Has avilo ever qualified in anything yet??

avilo has never done anything noteworthy, and Naniwa doesn't needlessly balance whine as much.

That's why he said the NA version.
Sakkreth
Profile Joined February 2011
Lithuania1096 Posts
January 19 2015 15:41 GMT
#575
On January 19 2015 23:10 ZenithM wrote:
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On January 19 2015 09:59 The_Templar wrote:
On January 19 2015 09:51 eVilo wrote:
Avilo is definitely the NA version of Naniwa. Of course, avilo is even more "amazing" considering his level of skills. Has avilo ever qualified in anything yet??

avilo has never done anything noteworthy, and Naniwa doesn't needlessly balance whine as much.

That's why he said the NA version.


Hahahaha well said sir.
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 16:14:01
January 19 2015 16:10 GMT
#576
On January 19 2015 08:01 Big J wrote:
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On January 19 2015 07:31 ZenithM wrote:
Another possibility is that the author just learned of the word "pariah" and decided to attach it to some rude guy playing video games. I can't blame him, "pariah" is a cool word.


my favorite magic card. So many ways to use it!

Also a really cool necron unit, which was sadly scrapped.
I always stuck behind NaNiWa, and he'd pretty much have to throw a baby in front of a moving train for me to stop being a fan. He's awesome.

Why would this stop you from being a fan? It's just Swedish culture.
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mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
January 19 2015 16:28 GMT
#577
I don't know when and where is the Nani vs Nerchio match and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 16:33:05
January 19 2015 16:32 GMT
#578
On January 20 2015 01:28 mantequilla wrote:
I don't know when and where is the Nani vs Nerchio match and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.

When is January 24, 2015 - 21:00 CET. Where will probably be here : http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_europe or here : http://www.twitch.tv/wcs
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Spect8rCraft
Profile Joined December 2012
649 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-19 16:49:22
January 19 2015 16:33 GMT
#579
On January 20 2015 01:28 mantequilla wrote:
I don't know when and where is the Nani vs Nerchio match and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.


Just check the WCS page. He's playing on day 3.

Edit: Well, beat to the punch. And with better intel no less.
SkrollK
Profile Joined January 2015
France580 Posts
January 19 2015 18:48 GMT
#580
On January 19 2015 18:07 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2015 10:59 ninazerg wrote:
I always stuck behind NaNiWa, and he'd pretty much have to throw a baby in front of a moving train for me to stop being a fan. He's awesome.

I always stuck behind ninazerg, and she'd pretty much have to throw Naniwa in front of a moving train for me to stop being a fan. She's awesome.


That one was bloody epic tho xD

Nice read, and keep up the good work writers

BTW, this thread is frickin' awesome.
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