1. Mafia kills me
2. Mafia roleblocks me (assuming they have a roleblocker) and just parks it there for the rest of the game
Given that I think the first is more likely...goodbye and good luck.
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
1. Mafia kills me 2. Mafia roleblocks me (assuming they have a roleblocker) and just parks it there for the rest of the game Given that I think the first is more likely...goodbye and good luck. | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
I am not making it up it's right in what you said: On January 10 2015 08:46 ExO_ wrote: [...] On the other hand, if he flips town then this gets really hard. it could be that LS has had too much momentum on him all of day 2, but when Tube and I were both pushing Celestial nobody else even tried to get another wagon going, or jumped on Celestial....which now that I think about it might be revealing. Still, we'll have a much better idea in 15 minutes. This looks like you're going to go somewhere with it and isn't lining up with your explanations now. Am I supposed to just drop it when you're not making sense? | ||
scott31337
United States2979 Posts
From Town to null - Tubesock- He’s actively trying to solve the game. A good insomnia post of his - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=33#659 with good reads. Half the Sky – she shows intent to solve the game, gives reads, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=32#633 is a good example of trying to solve the game. Rsolutin – Asking questions, trying to steer us in the right direction, warning others about bluefishing (a scummy trait) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=14#278 – --slight town Exo_ - Seems to be reading and solving and giving his reads as well - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=33#641 – slight town Scum – In order from least to most scummy Jarjarbinks – Although he is giving reads, He’s a mixed bag with a lot of fluff. null/scum lean for now. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=43#851 Silverarte – Asks a bunch of questions without responding to ones they are asked. Trying to fly under the radar. Leaning scum Celestial-I don’t like the timing when he claimed – He was under very little pressure. He hasn’t been counterclaimed though. Vet and Doc might be OP. If he isn’t shot tonight (although he could save himself, doesn’t say anything in the OP that he cannot) I’d probably lynch him after The Shining. Leaning scum The Shining – scum – refuses to move his vote for both mislynches, tries to lay under the radar, says he’s solving the game but is not. | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Town reads: HTS, Tube, JarJar (less certain on my brother and almost completely certain on the other two, but he legitimately does predictions based on statistics for a living and his voting patterns have been logical and in-line with his reads) Nullish/Do Not Lynch Day 3: -Celestial-, Scott (doc claim/breadcrumbs and AFK replacement respectively) Would Lynch: - ExO (90% certain) his scumhunting seems more like throwing darts at a board (at the risk of sounding hypocritical) and his read progression/interactions with Trfel at EoD Day 1 especially, including the rage!fit after the flip, seem insincere to me...a good idea would be to check if his pushes start up after thread sentiment has already begun to swing that way (I know the Celestial one did) - Shining (70% certain) for his start that I think I've mentioned a few times now, but also this oddity of completely dropping any pressure on ExO after WW flipped for no apparent reason...even goes so far as to say that there might be scum on the LS wagon but still gives ExO a bye when the only other one there was WW, says he's taking the game seriously after Day 2 but mostly just posts defensive posts and a push on -Celestial-, then finally ends with his only post of Night 2: a WIFOM game balance argument that Celeste must be scum cause this game can't possibly have a doctor (why when we don't know the set-up at all?) - Silver (least certain) she never stepped up. could be newb play, but all I see from her filter is sheeping and I'm not getting the feeling that she cares to find scum, especially since she dropped the people she was scumreading to sheep me Day 1 (which is sad to say cause I <3 my silver ^^)...her big posts only come after she's prodded for them, contain a lot of fluff, and the rest are mostly excuses Final Comment: With the breadcrumbing, I think that Celestial is a likely mislynch. Please, if I am not here to provide my input, whatever you decide, be really certain before you lynch an un-CCd role. | ||
The_Templar
your Country52796 Posts
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On January 11 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote: Okay, well...we're running out of time for the night phase, so I'm going to put my thoughts into one post. Town reads: HTS, Tube, JarJar (less certain on my brother and almost completely certain on the other two, but he legitimately does predictions based on statistics for a living and his voting patterns have been logical and in-line with his reads) Nullish/Do Not Lynch Day 3: -Celestial-, Scott (doc claim/breadcrumbs and AFK replacement respectively) Would Lynch: - ExO (90% certain) his scumhunting seems more like throwing darts at a board (at the risk of sounding hypocritical) and his read progression/interactions with Trfel at EoD Day 1 especially, including the rage!fit after the flip, seem insincere to me...a good idea would be to check if his pushes start up after thread sentiment has already begun to swing that way (I know the Celestial one did) - Shining (70% certain) for his start that I think I've mentioned a few times now, but also this oddity of completely dropping any pressure on ExO after WW flipped for no apparent reason...even goes so far as to say that there might be scum on the LS wagon but still gives ExO a bye when the only other one there was WW, says he's taking the game seriously after Day 2 but mostly just posts defensive posts and a push on -Celestial-, then finally ends with his only post of Night 2: a WIFOM game balance argument that Celeste must be scum cause this game can't possibly have a doctor (why when we don't know the set-up at all?) - Silver (least certain) she never stepped up. could be newb play, but all I see from her filter is sheeping and I'm not getting the feeling that she cares to find scum, especially since she dropped the people she was scumreading to sheep me Day 1 (which is sad to say cause I <3 my silver ^^)...her big posts only come after she's prodded for them, contain a lot of fluff, and the rest are mostly excuses Final Comment: With the breadcrumbing, I think that Celestial is a likely mislynch. Please, if I am not here to provide my input, whatever you decide, be really certain before you lynch an un-CCd role. I was the first to bring up Celestial rsoultin. Tube didn't start on him until after I did. Are you lying, or have you just not read the thread? | ||
The_Templar
your Country52796 Posts
Day Three rsoultin the Vanilla Townie has been killed. Welcome to Newbie Mini Mafia LX. You are Kim Bauer, the Vanilla Townie. You don't really do much, aside from getting stalked by cougars. You have no abilities, aside from your vote. You win with town. It's time to decide the next lynch. Day Three ends on Tuesday, Jan 13 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in . | ||
rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
GG! GL TOWNIES! | ||
-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
So let's look over what rsolutin says - On January 11 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote: Okay, well...we're running out of time for the night phase, so I'm going to put my thoughts into one post. Town reads: HTS, Tube, JarJar (less certain on my brother and almost completely certain on the other two, but he legitimately does predictions based on statistics for a living and his voting patterns have been logical and in-line with his reads) Nullish/Do Not Lynch Day 3: -Celestial-, Scott (doc claim/breadcrumbs and AFK replacement respectively) Would Lynch: - ExO (90% certain) his scumhunting seems more like throwing darts at a board (at the risk of sounding hypocritical) and his read progression/interactions with Trfel at EoD Day 1 especially, including the rage!fit after the flip, seem insincere to me...a good idea would be to check if his pushes start up after thread sentiment has already begun to swing that way (I know the Celestial one did) - Shining (70% certain) for his start that I think I've mentioned a few times now, but also this oddity of completely dropping any pressure on ExO after WW flipped for no apparent reason...even goes so far as to say that there might be scum on the LS wagon but still gives ExO a bye when the only other one there was WW, says he's taking the game seriously after Day 2 but mostly just posts defensive posts and a push on -Celestial-, then finally ends with his only post of Night 2: a WIFOM game balance argument that Celeste must be scum cause this game can't possibly have a doctor (why when we don't know the set-up at all?) - Silver (least certain) she never stepped up. could be newb play, but all I see from her filter is sheeping and I'm not getting the feeling that she cares to find scum, especially since she dropped the people she was scumreading to sheep me Day 1 (which is sad to say cause I <3 my silver ^^)...her big posts only come after she's prodded for them, contain a lot of fluff, and the rest are mostly excuses Final Comment: With the breadcrumbing, I think that Celestial is a likely mislynch. Please, if I am not here to provide my input, whatever you decide, be really certain before you lynch an un-CCd role. I think the shining is a better lynch though and I'll explain why - So The Shining voted on both mislynches, and never changed his vote. His reasoning for voting LightningStrike was pretty weak, IMO – Day 1 Final Vote Count jarjarbinks (1): ExO_, -Celestial- LightningStrike (2): ExO_, -Celestial-, Trfel, TheWarWaffle Gumdrop (0): Tubesock TheWarWaffle (5): rsoultin,LightningStrike, Silverarte, Tubesock, The Shining Tubesock (0): TheWarWaffle ExO_ (1): Gumdrop, The Shining The Shining (3): Half the Sky,Trfel, jarjarbinks Day 2 LightningStrike (7): The Shining, jarjarbinks, -Celestial-, Tubesock, Half the Sky, ExO_, rsoultin The Shining (0): LightningStrike -Celestial- (1): ExO_, LightningStrike, Tubesock, ExO_, rsoultin, Silverarte ExO_ (1): LightningStrike Not Voting (1): Gumdrop On January 08 2015 10:01 The Shining wrote: Currently, a bit of this is association reads, as I think Celestial's vote on mafia(Jar Jar) will look good later in the game if JJ flips scum. I'm most sure, though, of LS being scum here, especially with that last post before EoN. For whatever reason, Mafia like to afk the vote. ##Vote: LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?page=31#608 He AFK votes himself on LS, and says himself “mafia like to afk the vote.” Is he trying to blend in? He doesn’t listen to reason to change his vote, either. As for LS and Jar Jar, I've only ever played with Jar Jar once or twice, in much more inactive games, as we all know. So yes, the walls of text posts are out of character to me, as well. I don't like that he tried to direct today with basically no follow through, either. You can't just hint at Trfel's voting me as being the reason he died, then offer absolutely nothing else up. And my vote is staying on LS until I hear a defense. Even then, I'm pretty sure I'll keep it there. I don't believe in the VT claim and I've already stated my reasons for my vote. He's just running some meta information - trying to stay under the radar. On January 06 2015 07:57 The Shining wrote: Let me start by apologizing. I got home from work shortly after my last post and knocked out. I'm now smack dab in my weekend today and tomorrow, though, so I should be able to be more active before Wednesday. Also, I am he, since pronouns seem be coming up this game a lot. XD "It would help if you clarified who the "someone" you're talking about is and what you're actually wondering. Could they be what?" This was RSoultin's last post at the time I questioned her. At first, I was inclined to believe she was just scumhunting when questioning HTS. But after reading and catching up, I'm leaning towards Celestial as town. Celestial basically said what I would've. It looked like she was looking for others who were different from the rest, and under the guise of town, would just look like scumhunting. The Mafia obviously knows who all is town. By jumping around to multiple people, they increase the chances of blue tells. I also don't know Rsoultin's meta on here at all to know if her town play is more aggressive here than other times I've played with her. However, as the thread progressed, HTS seemed to lean increasingly more scummy, which makes me believe Rsoultin is leaning town, after all. WarWaffle questioned a few things in HTS's opening posts and I've yet to see any sort of response to him, although HTS has posted a few times since. And about me a lot. The more you tunnel on me, the more you hope to deflect from the points WW made about you, is that it? ExO was leaning town for me up until the part where he said I look like scummy and called for the vig, assuming we have one, to kill me tonight. And that was it. ExO, unless you're trying to just bandwagon off of someone else's logic, I would really like to know what about my post made me look scummy? Otherwise, you're just taking advantage of HTS pushing suspicion on me and trying to garner support for it before I can defend myself. Mafia would love it if the vig would do their killing for them. You've also already put in a lynch vote. Why so quick to kill? We're required to lynch Day 1 but we still have a lot of time to gather information. Here he's trying to say "Well I read Rsoultin is leaning town" and adds a bunch of keywords and fluff. He doesn't have any solid reads in his filter (and it's extremely small, trying to blend in)- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?user=The Shining It's lylo 5-3, so we need to hit today or we're screwed guys. ## Vote: The Shining | ||
scott31337
United States2979 Posts
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
Consequently if they weren't actually going to kill ME then the next obvious target would seem to be her. Which quiets a voice saying I shouldn't be lynched D3. Expect the mafia to push my lynch hard today. | ||
-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On January 11 2015 09:40 -Celestial- wrote: Or at least that's how I read her posts. You are not getting lynched today. | ||
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Before Scott131337, the only people who I felt were helpful to me were ExO_, HTS, and Rsoultin. The people who are unhelpful to me were: -Celestial-, Jarjar, Shining, Silverarte, and I'd prefer to lynch Silverarte today. Let's keep the ExO and Shining conversation going though. | ||
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On January 11 2015 09:01 ExO_ wrote: Show nested quote + On January 11 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote: Okay, well...we're running out of time for the night phase, so I'm going to put my thoughts into one post. Town reads: HTS, Tube, JarJar (less certain on my brother and almost completely certain on the other two, but he legitimately does predictions based on statistics for a living and his voting patterns have been logical and in-line with his reads) Nullish/Do Not Lynch Day 3: -Celestial-, Scott (doc claim/breadcrumbs and AFK replacement respectively) Would Lynch: - ExO (90% certain) his scumhunting seems more like throwing darts at a board (at the risk of sounding hypocritical) and his read progression/interactions with Trfel at EoD Day 1 especially, including the rage!fit after the flip, seem insincere to me...a good idea would be to check if his pushes start up after thread sentiment has already begun to swing that way (I know the Celestial one did) - Shining (70% certain) for his start that I think I've mentioned a few times now, but also this oddity of completely dropping any pressure on ExO after WW flipped for no apparent reason...even goes so far as to say that there might be scum on the LS wagon but still gives ExO a bye when the only other one there was WW, says he's taking the game seriously after Day 2 but mostly just posts defensive posts and a push on -Celestial-, then finally ends with his only post of Night 2: a WIFOM game balance argument that Celeste must be scum cause this game can't possibly have a doctor (why when we don't know the set-up at all?) - Silver (least certain) she never stepped up. could be newb play, but all I see from her filter is sheeping and I'm not getting the feeling that she cares to find scum, especially since she dropped the people she was scumreading to sheep me Day 1 (which is sad to say cause I <3 my silver ^^)...her big posts only come after she's prodded for them, contain a lot of fluff, and the rest are mostly excuses Final Comment: With the breadcrumbing, I think that Celestial is a likely mislynch. Please, if I am not here to provide my input, whatever you decide, be really certain before you lynch an un-CCd role. I was the first to bring up Celestial rsoultin. Tube didn't start on him until after I did. Are you lying, or have you just not read the thread? I remember her talking to and questioning Celestial before you did Night 1. I assume she's speaking on that. | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
First things first, GGs Rasputin. We are going to sort this shit out. Second, this is aimed at JarJar, I just realised on recapping, that you actually missed two of my previous questions regarding your equations. You did answer the part about the dead voting percentages, and I stand corrected on those, and I understand now what you are driving at. I look forward to seeing your revised ratings and the bases for those. But again, in case you missed (original inquiry on page 50): On January 11 2015 02:57 jarjarbinks wrote: JJB, a few more questions on your equations and how you applied them. You scumread LS based on the (I assume?) VT claim. Did his post-lynch comments have any bearing on your rating? Shining question I asked before, but will ask again, he's since posted, and you're saying you have no alignment indicative information? | ||
Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On January 10 2015 23:36 Half the Sky wrote: Show nested quote + On January 09 2015 17:03 jarjarbinks wrote: 27% (3/10 +/- 3%) is the lowest % you can have. I'm attaching mini-normal % increases based on how the dead voted and giving myself a 3% buffer for on my opinions of their play so far. 1. LS- 46%. 14% increase based on dead votes and a 2% increase based on today's play and the day 1 claim. I still sympathize with LS, but that's why I'm using equations over my feelings. One of the cases I saw with LS in also had everyone on LS's balls for almost the whole game (at least based off votes). 2. Shining- 39%. 9% increase based on dead votes. 0% on my opinions of the 2 days play. [...] JJB, a few more questions on your equations and how you applied them. You scumread LS based on the (I assume?) VT claim. Did his post-lynch comments have any bearing on your rating? Shining question I asked before, but will ask again, he's since posted, and you're saying you have no alignment indicative information? | ||
ExO_
United States2316 Posts
Half the Sky jarjarbinks scott31337 Silverarte ExO_ -Celestial- Tubesock This is the remaining players. Out of these: Myself, HTS, Tubesock have all been very active and helpful. Celestial is still a question mark in my mind. Leaving: JarJar, Shining, scott, Silverate I think the lynch has to be one of those 4. b/c scott was the inactive gumdrops it's hard for me to see lynching him right off the bat. Silverate has posted next to nothing. Jarjar is impossible for me to read: He isn't very articulate and I've largely ignored what he has to say. But my impression as of this moment without filter diving isn't that he's scum, it's that he's just pretty "meh" town Shining had a lot of suspicion on him day 1. Day 2 I seemed to think he was just playing poorly on day 1, and wasn't scum. But now his case needs to seriously be looked at. Until I go filter diving, it'll be hard for me to push somebody. I feel like because we let the inactives chill so much, we're really paying for it now. I think in future games I'll be more likely to go for inactives early on, so that I won't have to wonder "is that player with almost no posts a mafia? or an inactive town?". Anywho, I'm supposed to be playing video mafia in 30 minutes (though I suspect not enough will show up) and then I'm going to stream civ. I don't feel like doing a lot of intense reading b/c I'm depressed with the current state of this game. | ||
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
I need advice. I can't help it as on paper I know it's bad, but I think Shining is Town based on my tinfoil hat. After N2, a couple people including Rsoultin said the tinfoil hat may not be so bad. Scott comes in with 2 posts and at first I think I can easily sheep him. Then I think that -Celestial- who is still alive, and I think is super scummy, built a case on Shining. Rsoultin towned Jarjar who was my "strongest" scum behind Celestial minus his un-CC claim. This leaves as the mafia team: Celestial, Silverarte, and Scott/Gumdrops. Rsoultin died because she's the most important player to town. For me, this gives credence to towning Jarjar. It also would theoretically set up a mlynch of ExO_. | ||
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