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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 06 2015 11:22 Tubesock wrote: I'd probably vote LightningStrike. I don't think he's done much so far. I'm looking at Celeste and Oxe to see if their arguments line up and look fishy. No one else is really catching my eye Why LS? | ||
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Tubesock
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 05 2015 23:50 LightningStrike wrote: My new player reads I never played with before since you asked for them HTS -Celestial-: Town since he gave a lot of good points on why his reads were they were the way they were although he did make a mistake on editing and hoping he not modkilled. Gumdrop: I need some more posts to figure him out. Jarjarbinks: Need more posts from him but he got some excuses for why he so little posts so far. I hope he feels better and can play like like his brother! The Shining: Town for now since she asking some questions and looks like she trying to figure this game out but again I need more posts from him to confirm my thoughts of him being town. Silverate: I need more posts from her to determine her alignment. ExO_: Need more posts from because other than the nitpicking on your post there is nothing for me to look at  TheWarWaffle: Town he at least tried to break down the stuff in your post and explain in his mine what the stuff means and asking questions about it. I hope he post more so I can confirm my read on him! | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
It's a full page of basically, "well, I don't have anything". Which to me is fine if you just say "well, I don't have much right now. But this 1 person I can talk about" or 2 or whatever. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On January 06 2015 11:08 rsoultin wrote: Celeste...I don't think I'll be lynching you Day 1. That's very gracious of you, I'm still suspicious of you though.  Personally I'm still liking the LS lynch. Its not pure policy and we lack strong scumreads because its the first day. Whilst I don't think the case against Shining is entirely without merit, especially with you pointing out the whole "blaming people who accuse me of scum" thing going on there but I feel the points against LS are stronger at this point. This may change after LS posts again but for the moment I think I'm staying in that particular camp for lynching. Again though...want to keep from actually voting until LS has had a chance to speak. On January 06 2015 11:25 Tubesock wrote: Celestial, can you reexplain this? Mainly the last sentence. Basically The Shining posted some actual analysis as an early post, then didn't come back for ages when people started to question it: On January 05 2015 10:44 The Shining wrote: On one hand, I can see why Soultin thought it a bit hasty for HTS to jump into the us vs scum mentality. Not knowing HTS from a hole in the wall also helps to make it a bit more odd for me that she'd jump in and be willing to be associated as an "us" with LS, unless she is in fact VT and believes LS is, too. On the other hand, Soultin has already let it go and is now moved on to Silver. How am I to know you're not just going to question every one of us in the hopes of a slip or something that gives away a role? I don't view the content quite as scummy as rsoultin seems to think it is but the fact it was posted and then basically orphaned even with people questioning it made it stand out as a post that felt like "look, I'm doing analysis, I'm not scum, now please forget about me". In contrast both jarjar and gumdrop had posted minimal content posts and then just not replied again. I'm not a huge believer in "they're active therefore scum" as a rule...I mean for lack of anything else I could go with one but I wouldn't be happy about it exactly. However I find posting a fairly neutral analysis and then trying to be forgotten a lot more scummy than posting briefly to say "hi" and then just not posting again. To me the latter comes across as either just not having the time, taking the time away or even just not caring too much about the game. The former comes across as trying to hide. In short: posting hardly anything and then disappearing indicates to me you're not scared, which is townie. Posting a bit of analysis without committing makes it look to me like you're trying to look as if you're contributing whilst hiding away from any actual risk. Which is scummy. Is that better? I can try to clarify more if I'm still not explaining myself properly. | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
#1 @Exo I had some reads that I said I needed more posts to figure out their alignment so I should of just said Null instead of the comments I said and I know I don't have any real scum reads just yet and I still trying to figure out who is scum and who is not atm #2 @JarJarbinks I'm a guy not a girl gosh you and Robik keep calling me a girl -.- But thanks for the defense but that HTS post that everyone over analyzed not mine. #3 @HTS After reading some posts I decided to just read as Null but leaning town after people told me his post was a drive by post and left a lot to be desired but now I starting to town read him #4 @Everyone here I now going to full explanation of my reads 1. rsoultin: Town: she been trying hunt for scum like her normal self in Student Mafia IV and Carol of the Bells Mafia where she was Vanilla Town in both games. 2. Half the Sky: Town: She made some silly posts at the start yes but everyone over analyzed them but not unusual from her type of entrance since she did similar entrances in Student Mafia IV and Carol of the Bells Mafia and she been asking some good questions towards The Shining and been following through her questioning and also defended her posts in a manor I feel townie from her. 3. ExO_ Town: He actively been scum hunting throughout today and trying to pressure people and normally this type of behavior comes from town players and honestly I not really confident in my scum reads unless it's based on meta on players I played with in other games. 4.Tubesock: Null leaning town: His posts seem to lack any content but his posting style seem to be the same as he did on Carol where I mislynch him like a dumbass in that game but I looking foward to solidify my town read on him. 5. -Celestial-: Town: He been trying to scum himself but he seem to lack confidence on his end on his reads which is something I notice on newer players on forum mafia coming from SC2 Mafia but he doing some decent questioning too. 6.JarJarBinks: Null: His posts seem to lack content but he said he is sick and I hope he feels much better soon but he also needs to step it up if he's town and help us find scum. 7.Grumdrop: Null: He not posted since his entrance post and hope he posts more but for now I need to place him somewhere so Null is the best place for him atm due to the lack of posts from him. 8.Tfrel: Null leaning town: He seem to be inactive but it due to irl so I hoping he post more tomorrow but he had some good questions on his few posts since the game started but we shall see. 9. Silverate: Null: I need more posts to get a clear read on her since she posted so little and I hope she post more tonight and tomorrow! #5 @Tubesock I will give context to that post you said was worthless. HTS earlier in the thread asked me for my reads on the newer players at the time so that why I posted those reads. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
I do agree that LS isn't being very useful. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On January 06 2015 11:46 LightningStrike wrote: Guys I just got back and I will fully explain my thought process on the stuff. #1 @Exo I had some reads that I said I needed more posts to figure out their alignment so I should of just said Null instead of the comments I said and I know I don't have any real scum reads just yet and I still trying to figure out who is scum and who is not atm #2 @JarJarbinks I'm a guy not a girl gosh you and Robik keep calling me a girl -.- But thanks for the defense but that HTS post that everyone over analyzed not mine. #3 @HTS After reading some posts I decided to just read as Null but leaning town after people told me his post was a drive by post and left a lot to be desired but now I starting to town read him #4 @Everyone here I now going to full explanation of my reads 1. rsoultin: Town: she been trying hunt for scum like her normal self in Student Mafia IV and Carol of the Bells Mafia where she was Vanilla Town in both games. 2. Half the Sky: Town: She made some silly posts at the start yes but everyone over analyzed them but not unusual from her type of entrance since she did similar entrances in Student Mafia IV and Carol of the Bells Mafia and she been asking some good questions towards The Shining and been following through her questioning and also defended her posts in a manor I feel townie from her. 3. ExO_ Town: He actively been scum hunting throughout today and trying to pressure people and normally this type of behavior comes from town players and honestly I not really confident in my scum reads unless it's based on meta on players I played with in other games. 4.Tubesock: Null leaning town: His posts seem to lack any content but his posting style seem to be the same as he did on Carol where I mislynch him like a dumbass in that game but I looking foward to solidify my town read on him. 5. -Celestial-: Town: He been trying to scum himself but he seem to lack confidence on his end on his reads which is something I notice on newer players on forum mafia coming from SC2 Mafia but he doing some decent questioning too. 6.JarJarBinks: Null: His posts seem to lack content but he said he is sick and I hope he feels much better soon but he also needs to step it up if he's town and help us find scum. 7.Grumdrop: Null: He not posted since his entrance post and hope he posts more but for now I need to place him somewhere so Null is the best place for him atm due to the lack of posts from him. 8.Tfrel: Null leaning town: He seem to be inactive but it due to irl so I hoping he post more tomorrow but he had some good questions on his few posts since the game started but we shall see. 9. Silverate: Null: I need more posts to get a clear read on her since she posted so little and I hope she post more tonight and tomorrow! #5 @Tubesock I will give context to that post you said was worthless. HTS earlier in the thread asked me for my reads on the newer players at the time so that why I posted those reads. I know why you posted it, but to me it contained zero information. At least nothing that you couldn't have said the same thing with 2 sentences. I don't think you can use meta accurately from my Carol game. I was 4 distinct different voices and playstyles. It's why I think I was lynched. | ||
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LightningStrike
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jarjarbinks
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I've only played with Shining once before, but I would agree with Rsoultin on the Shining vote solely on his behavior in our last game when he was mafia in the early days of the game. She did the same thing, scumreading most people that scumread her each time. It is possible that she just always does that (I'm an easy target if you want to fire back Shining!), but I would say that the chances she's scum are higher than the solid 27% probability for the rest of ya'll. Is it ok to pass judgement based on previous games? What is blue hunting? Sorry I called you a girl LS. You're last post had 0 scumreads. If you were to pick someone to lynch as of now who would it be? | ||
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jarjarbinks
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Okay, so while I get why people are scumreading LS, I don't think that him giving reads on demand that are mostly town/null is all that scummy. By itself maybe... But I really like this post of his, that features him asking others for reads and making a point on Trfel's "free" townie points that doesn't feel scum-motivated to me: + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2015 23:17 LightningStrike wrote: I just woke up and Trfel I making one but it might take a few days for approval I do agree that finding scum in a newbie game is looking at game play alone unless there is players that had played a game or two before this one. Then we can make meta cases but right now I not getting anything on peoples alignment I played with before (HTS, Tfrel, Rsoultin, Tubesock) I don't know why people were nitpicking HTS pronouns though because I think she was just referring to me, Rsoultin and her since we were the only ones at the thread at the time of her post. @Exo can you tell us what you thinking right now and why? @Tfrel you don't give free town cred it's just not good logic there. @Gumdrop Hi welcome to the thread it's a little hard on finding Scum Day 1 but it will get easier. Also can you give us your reads so far on who is town and who is not with explanations please? He also has one of the longer filters. + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2015 02:25 LightningStrike wrote: As far I know Rsoultin is a guy but until Rsoultin say he is a guy or girl my view wont change.Also I know we got at least 2 girls playing this game. Also what your thoughts on me? Based on meta (which I know y'all don't like, but others can verify/dispute who have played with him) I don't see LS asking others' for their opinion on him out of the blue as scum. He's not that confident a player. He also has an almost ridiculous tendency to use meta arguments almost exclusively as town, which I see him doing again with his reads on Trfel, HTS and myself. Though at least he's confining it to players he's actually played with this game. Scum or town, I <3 you LS. No offense intended lol. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On January 06 2015 12:04 jarjarbinks wrote: My piggyback scumread! I know I am completely worthless day 1. I've only played with Shining once before, but I would agree with Rsoultin on the Shining vote solely on his behavior in our last game when he was mafia in the early days of the game. She did the same thing, scumreading most people that scumread her each time. It is possible that she just always does that (I'm an easy target if you want to fire back Shining!), but I would say that the chances she's scum are higher than the solid 27% probability for the rest of ya'll. Is it ok to pass judgement based on previous games? What is blue hunting? Sorry I called you a girl LS. You're last post had 0 scumreads. If you were to pick someone to lynch as of now who would it be? Maybe Gumdrop but that mainly due to lack of posts from him since his entrance post and it not unusual for me to not have a total scum read early on in the game unless your name is sicklucker and I misread your trap >.> Yes it's okay to judge based on previous games and it's what we call meta reads. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On January 06 2015 12:04 jarjarbinks wrote: My piggyback scumread! I know I am completely worthless day 1. I've only played with Shining once before, but I would agree with Rsoultin on the Shining vote solely on his behavior in our last game when he was mafia in the early days of the game. She did the same thing, scumreading most people that scumread her each time. It is possible that she just always does that (I'm an easy target if you want to fire back Shining!), but I would say that the chances she's scum are higher than the solid 27% probability for the rest of ya'll. Is it ok to pass judgement based on previous games? What is blue hunting? Sorry I called you a girl LS. You're last post had 0 scumreads. If you were to pick someone to lynch as of now who would it be? Blue-hunting is scum looking for town power roles like the cop or the medic...I'd have to look back at the OP to remember who they were in this game. Think Jack Bauer was the cop. A good example of that would be KSC in Carol. He is scum and claims that a power role should claim, then tries to say that he made the comment to get a read on another player. It is okay to base reads on meta (prior experience/knowledge of the player's style). I wouldn't base your whole read on meta, though, and it will be hard to sell to others who haven't played with them before. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On January 06 2015 12:06 rsoultin wrote: Lol @ Tube. You were lynched because I was a dumbass. It really was that simple. I wasn't even scumreading you xP just convinced that Templar was a mislynch. Okay, so while I get why people are scumreading LS, I don't think that him giving reads on demand that are mostly town/null is all that scummy. By itself maybe... But I really like this post of his, that features him asking others for reads and making a point on Trfel's "free" townie points that doesn't feel scum-motivated to me: + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2015 23:17 LightningStrike wrote: I just woke up and Trfel I making one but it might take a few days for approval I do agree that finding scum in a newbie game is looking at game play alone unless there is players that had played a game or two before this one. Then we can make meta cases but right now I not getting anything on peoples alignment I played with before (HTS, Tfrel, Rsoultin, Tubesock) I don't know why people were nitpicking HTS pronouns though because I think she was just referring to me, Rsoultin and her since we were the only ones at the thread at the time of her post. @Exo can you tell us what you thinking right now and why? @Tfrel you don't give free town cred it's just not good logic there. @Gumdrop Hi welcome to the thread it's a little hard on finding Scum Day 1 but it will get easier. Also can you give us your reads so far on who is town and who is not with explanations please? He also has one of the longer filters. + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2015 02:25 LightningStrike wrote: As far I know Rsoultin is a guy but until Rsoultin say he is a guy or girl my view wont change.Also I know we got at least 2 girls playing this game. Also what your thoughts on me? Based on meta (which I know y'all don't like, but others can verify/dispute who have played with him) I don't see LS asking others' for their opinion on him out of the blue as scum. He's not that confident a player. He also has an almost ridiculous tendency to use meta arguments almost exclusively as town, which I see him doing again with his reads on Trfel, HTS and myself. Though at least he's confining it to players he's actually played with this game. Scum or town, I <3 you LS. No offense intended lol. I ,3 you too rsoultin also what is your thought my rather large post earlier? | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On January 06 2015 12:12 LightningStrike wrote: I <3 you too rsoultin also what is your thought my rather large post earlier? EBWOP: Fixed a symbol | ||
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