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Shining, to answer what you had brought up:
On January 06 2015 07:57 The Shining wrote:
WarWaffle questioned a few things in HTS's opening posts and I've yet to see any sort of response to him, although HTS has posted a few times since.
A lot of the points regarding Waffle's read on me were already answered for by Rasputin, LS, and Trfel. Putting it into my own words, my post was worded in response to Ras's second post:
On January 05 2015 09:35 rsoultin wrote:nope, not implying she's scum, just implying she's awfully anxious to make sure we don't think she's scum 
Which means, yes, I did take the anxious part to be her main point, which Waffle said otherwise.
On January 05 2015 19:40 TheWarWaffle wrote:
The first thing she puts emphasis on is the fact that she isn't anxious when it wasn't rsoultin's primary point.
The pronoun issue in the second paragraph was already accounted for by Trfel, LS and Ras.
That all said, Waffle still gets a slight town read from me for the effort he's taken to read my post to the best of his knowledge, even if the read was inaccurate. He doesn't know my meta, so I cannot fault him for that.
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Also Shining, I am not tunnelling you. There are multiple scum in this game. You were not my only scumread, and there are others that I've mentioned that need to step it up. I have certain criteria I use to scum hunt and when someone appears to meet that criteria I am going to point it out with an explanation or an example.
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I am a man.
Exo and Celestial: I think you are wrong about LS. She did have some scum reads. The first post that everyone has been overanalyzing is a typical first post (at least in my newbie mind). Using "we" at the beginning implies to me that she wanted people to post. It's kind of like a "Let's go" kind of deal. Actually the first whole page of stuff seemed like people who were just excited the game started.
I would expect more scumreads in the future, when there's much more to work with.
Lol Rsoultin. Everyone did think you were a guy! I thought it was just the other game!
Reading through all of this, I do see a lot of posts about how I need to defend my lack of posts. Right now I'm resisting the urge to come up some more excuses just so you guys can complain about them. I'll try to post more tonight.
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On January 06 2015 09:25 jarjarbinks wrote:
Exo and Celestial: I think you are wrong about LS. She did have some scum reads. The first post that everyone has been overanalyzing is a typical first post (at least in my newbie mind). Using "we" at the beginning implies to me that she wanted people to post. It's kind of like a "Let's go" kind of deal. Actually the first whole page of stuff seemed like people who were just excited the game started.
I would expect more scumreads in the future, when there's much more to work with.
Lol Rsoultin. Everyone did think you were a guy! I thought it was just the other game!
Reading through all of this, I do see a lot of posts about how I need to defend my lack of posts. Right now I'm resisting the urge to come up some more excuses just so you guys can complain about them. I'll try to post more tonight.
Except LS's first post isn't really the issue here. Your focus on that appears to be trying to direct the discussion into an entirely erroneous direction.
In any case believe me, I feel kinda bad about agreeing with ExO on this to be honest because LS seems pretty nice what with chatting to me earlier in the thread and all that...but I guess that's the point ExO is making. Distracting people with niceness and town reads everywhere makes you seem nice, friendly and forgettable. Precisely what you want to be as a mafia.
The more I think about this the more convinced I'm getting honestly. It'll be very interesting to see what LS has to say about it.
And I don't think anyone is saying anything as aggressive as you need to "defend" your lack of posts. People have posted that you should post more and that you set yourself up for some really nice excuses to just lurk. You're coming across as paranoid here to be honest, as well as deflecting things off topic.
Getting a really strong scumread from this particular post of jarjar's to be honest.
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On January 06 2015 09:25 jarjarbinks wrote:
I am a man.
Exo and Celestial: I think you are wrong about LS. She did have some scum reads. The first post that everyone has been overanalyzing is a typical first post (at least in my newbie mind). Using "we" at the beginning implies to me that she wanted people to post. It's kind of like a "Let's go" kind of deal. Actually the first whole page of stuff seemed like people who were just excited the game started.
I would expect more scumreads in the future, when there's much more to work with.
Lol Rsoultin. Everyone did think you were a guy! I thought it was just the other game!
Reading through all of this, I do see a lot of posts about how I need to defend my lack of posts. Right now I'm resisting the urge to come up some more excuses just so you guys can complain about them. I'll try to post more tonight.
If she had scum reads, what were they. Can you quote them for me.
And it's not your lack of posts per say. It's your lack of helping town. you aren't doing anything to establish innocence. You aren't doing anything to scum hunt. You aren't giving your own reads. You've clearly read the thread to some degree because you noticed that people thought rsoultin was a guy, yet you are offering nothing.
I think you should be vigi shot. I almost think it's worth it to policy lynch you. You aren't even willing to give more than 2% effort. You might be town, but you seem like you couldn't care less.
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Thank you for clearing that up for me, HTS. The main reason I thought you were suspicious was it felt you overlooked it and were more concerned with focusing me. However, ExO saying you're definitely not a Day 1 lynch is something I'll keep in mind going forward...
After ExO's last post, I'm honestly not convinced and actually much more suspicious of him. His first post was attacking Rsoultin. Instead of waiting to see if he can figure out anything from other posts, his next post is another attack on Jar Jar, which also lead to a Jar Jar fast vote. Then, in the same post that he attacks WarWaffle for stating that he had reads but didn't share them, he gives Tubesock a pass for not giving reads because they'll be crappy reads.
On January 05 2015 17:04 ExO_ wrote:
Read everything else that was posted just now. I dont like tubesock saying his reads are going to be trash probably, but its day 1 and I think he gets a pass for now. Warwaffle why don't you share some of this amazing information you've discovered already, since you are so great at reading based on phrasing and what not. I think its rather arrogant to sit back and say "I know so much already" without actually saying anything.
Also, he says he needs to see more people posting and sharing thoughts but he's only got 4 posts or so in that time, as well. His last post was the attack and quick vote on LS. That is twice in 1 day he has quick voted for people with 0 follow through. Why isn't he more curious about Jar Jar not defending his lynch? He was also suspicious of me. As Town, I'm a bit hesitant to vote a lynch and mistakenly kill another town or power role. Him voting left and right makes it seem like he doesn't care who dies.
If anyone's getting my vote right now, it's ExO.
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On January 06 2015 09:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Also Shining, I am not tunnelling you. There are multiple scum in this game. You were not my only scumread, and there are others that I've mentioned that need to step it up. I have certain criteria I use to scum hunt and when someone appears to meet that criteria I am going to point it out with an explanation or an example.
Out of interest what are your current scumreads in addition to Shining? And what about the recent read on LS?
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On January 06 2015 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:
dont expect many posts from me during work hours, primarily. i dont have net access at work except on a lunch break and dont always choose to take them.
i am female. i just never correct ppl misreading me as a guy, especially since my gender is insignificant to these games xP
more importantly, i like the work you put in celeste, despite the read on me. exo seems okay so far this game...and i also find shining's drive by post interesting. im interested to see if he plans on following up. trfel is right about hts which is why i jumped; ill keep prodding if im not satisfied. not much to go off of yet...more thoughts or prods after work Oh god I so sorry calling you a guy for so long T_T Also the drive by posting by Shining I think if Shining doesn't follow up on that then I could definitely see Shining as Scum but for now null I guess.
This seems like a scumread to me? It's not exactly detailed lol
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On January 06 2015 09:44 -Celestial- wrote:
Out of interest what are your current scumreads in addition to Shining? And what about the recent read on LS?
JJB was another one now, based on his lack of interest in scumhunting, even though he had appeared to read the thread on mobile. My sentiment ironically is only further supported by his latest post.
Tubesock was one individual that I want to see step it up, because based on the Carol mafia game, I am aware of what he's capable of. I do not like how he used the D1 excuse, however, at the time he originally said that it was still fairly early in D1, I did not scumread him at that time because it was early. Now we are about halfway through D1 and there's a load of content to answer to and for.
Regarding the recent read on LS, I see where ExO is coming from with all the town reads, though I am not sure I agree with some aspects of his argument. For example, I'm not sure I entirely agree with LS not scum hunting, since he is asking questions (some of which are going unanswered). However, in his thoughts on Shining I am trying to follow the logic on his read:
On January 05 2015 23:50 LightningStrike wrote:
The Shining: Town for now since she asking some questions and looks like she trying to figure this game out but again I need more posts from him to confirm my thoughts of him being town.
To this:
On January 06 2015 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the drive by posting by Shining I think if Shining doesn't follow up on that then I could definitely see Shining as Scum but for now null I guess.
And then after Shining posts on his return, LS posts this:
On January 06 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote:
As I said I needed more posts on some people to figure out their alignment and I had a null read on Shining on the stuff earlier but now it changed to town after his last post on this page.
To me, the progression in LS's reads isn't entirely clear. He has a lot of town reads, yes, but even more important, how he gets to them, especially when others may have contrasting views, is what needs some explanation.
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I'm home now from work and catching up on the thread, but I wanted to pop in a quick post to say that I am playing! Just please don't expect many posts from me during work hours either. I have no way of being able to access the thread, but I promise to catch up quickly and answer the questions I've missed here shortly. (Just need dinner first!)
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I would like to talk more about Exo.
I am starting to think he's looking for stuff to nitpick on and throwing mud around to see what sticks. Take the scum read on me and LS were based largely on lack of confidence in D1 reads. Yet, most the thread has mentioned or alluded to the reality that D1 reads are anything but easy. Also in something like 4 of his posts, they each have a new scum read, there doesn't seem much effort to mature them seems more casting a wide net as it were.
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Heh, it's kind of interesting how many of you are mistaking questions for scumreading people, actually. To clarify, "interesting" does not necessarily mean "scummy" coming from me. I will tell you if I am scumreading someone.
Celeste...I don't think I'll be lynching you Day 1. That's a lot of work to come from scum, whether I agree with your reads or not (and as it's already been stated, my reads are historically far from godly). Kind of early to worry about night kills, though.
Some people I do have concerns about and why:
- Shining. Probably my strongest (read: only) scum read (though I still wouldn't call it strong, just not much to work with so far). It's actually not for the reasons y'all have mentioned, though.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 05 2015 10:44 The Shining wrote:
On one hand, I can see why [font color=green]Soultin[/font] thought it a bit hasty for [font color=red]HTS[/font] to jump into the us vs scum mentality. Not knowing [font color=red]HTS from a hole in the wall also helps to make it a bit more odd for me that she'd jump in and be willing to be associated as an "us" with LS, unless she is in fact VT and believes LS is, too.
On the other hand, [font color=red]Soultin[/font] has already let it go and is now moved on to [font color=green]Silver.[/font] How am I to know you're not just going to question every one of us in the hopes of a slip or something that gives away a role?
Blah. Says things without really saying anything. I colored the names to reflect the alignment implications in his post, which as you can see flip-flopped. He took no definitive stance, neither on the behaviors nor the players.
After this initial post and further waffling on HTS and myself, he conveniently adopts Celestial's explanation for why he thought my behavior was blue-hunting. Perhaps they were truly thinking the same thing, but it seems an awfully convenient out, since Shining has actually played enough to know that probing for alignment on Day 1 is better than sitting on your hands hoping mafia just says something scummy unprompted and unpressured to fill the proverbial silence.
That said, this post gives me pause:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 06 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:Thank you for clearing that up for me, HTS. The main reason I thought you were suspicious was it felt you overlooked it and were more concerned with focusing me. However, ExO saying you're definitely not a Day 1 lynch is something I'll keep in mind going forward... After ExO's last post, I'm honestly not convinced and actually much more suspicious of him. His first post was attacking Rsoultin. Instead of waiting to see if he can figure out anything from other posts, his next post is another attack on Jar Jar, which also lead to a Jar Jar fast vote. Then, in the same post that he attacks WarWaffle for stating that he had reads but didn't share them, he gives Tubesock a pass for not giving reads because they'll be crappy reads. Show nested quote +On January 05 2015 17:04 ExO_ wrote:
Read everything else that was posted just now. I dont like tubesock saying his reads are going to be trash probably, but its day 1 and I think he gets a pass for now. Warwaffle why don't you share some of this amazing information you've discovered already, since you are so great at reading based on phrasing and what not. I think its rather arrogant to sit back and say "I know so much already" without actually saying anything. Also, he says he needs to see more people posting and sharing thoughts but he's only got 4 posts or so in that time, as well. His last post was the attack and quick vote on LS. That is twice in 1 day he has quick voted for people with 0 follow through. Why isn't he more curious about Jar Jar not defending his lynch? He was also suspicious of me. As Town, I'm a bit hesitant to vote a lynch and mistakenly kill another town or power role. Him voting left and right makes it seem like he doesn't care who dies. If anyone's getting my vote right now, it's ExO.
I think that the lack of follow-through on posts is a good point on the surface. However, if you go back through ExO's filter, he does explain his reads, asks questions and moves on when he is satisfied. His explanations for voting early also make sense. It has not escaped me that the people Shining is scumreading are those who have scumread him...HTS did, then suddenly she seems more scummy, ExO did and now he's scummy.
That said, I can see town doing that and being uncertain of his reads in the beginning. Shining, do you have some original thoughts? Despite the volume of your posts, I'm not really seeing much other than borrowed explanations, waffling, and faulty logic that even borders on misrepresenting the player you're reading.
- JarJar. I know him, though, so I also know he'll be more comfortable with voting analysis than trying to tone read or analyze semantics. He definitely needs to try harder to find scum Day 1 without the pretty numbers to help, though.
- Tubesock. The fact that he started with policy when he was scumread for that last game actually makes me lean town on him just because you'd think he'd be more concerned with his image if he were scum. The problem is...we're over 24 hours in and all I see is a post about policy lynching.
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On January 06 2015 11:08 rsoultin wrote:
- Tubesock. The fact that he started with policy when he was scumread for that last game actually makes me lean town on him just because you'd think he'd be more concerned with his image if he were scum. The problem is...we're over 24 hours in and all I see is a post about policy lynching.
I assumed someone would jump my balls thinking I thought policy lynching is a good idea. Since, Trfel made me think that's what he got from my 2nd post or whatever it was.
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EBWOP:
Meh, me and my constant coding issues. Pretend it worked xP
On January 06 2015 11:05 Tubesock wrote:
I would like to talk more about Exo.
I am starting to think he's looking for stuff to nitpick on and throwing mud around to see what sticks. Take the scum read on me and LS were based largely on lack of confidence in D1 reads. Yet, most the thread has mentioned or alluded to the reality that D1 reads are anything but easy. Also in something like 4 of his posts, they each have a new scum read, there doesn't seem much effort to mature them seems more casting a wide net as it were.
You are scumreading the guy who scumread you for not posting anything of use in approximately 24 hours. Have to respectfully disagree on the lack of progression and the "mature" or "deep" reads argument for Day 1. If anyone has a strong scumread on anyone right now I'd be shocked. He said why he was okay with me, didn't explain why he left off JarJar, but accepted Shining's explanation. There is a logical progression there apart from JarJar who would arguably be a policy lynch if he was the lynch tomorrow anyway.
Do you have any other reads?
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Rsoultin, I'd agree with you on Shining, if this were day 2 or 3, it's just half way in to day 1 there really isn't much content here. We are still on page 13, if this were Carol it would be like 40.
I think the real juice will come tomorrow, when people get more pressure to actually find people to vote. Is the Shining your vote if we had to have it in a couple hours vs tomorrow?
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That's why I wanted to talk about him. I feel like Exo is doing the townie thing, but I do feel it is different than how others are doing it. He's far more loose with his scum flinging than well anyone in the thread so far.
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On January 06 2015 11:15 Tubesock wrote:
Rsoultin, I'd agree with you on Shining, if this were day 2 or 3, it's just half way in to day 1 there really isn't much content here. We are still on page 13, if this were Carol it would be like 40.
I think the real juice will come tomorrow, when people get more pressure to actually find people to vote. Is the Shining your vote if we had to have it in a couple hours vs tomorrow?
All things remaining equal (and until LS explains the basis for his townreads; I have a suspicion but will let him answer) yes. If I had to vote today based on the information so far it would be Shining. Who would you vote for?
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I'm hoping Silverarte shows up, she said she was here...
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I'd probably vote LightningStrike. I don't think he's done much so far. I'm looking at Celeste and Oxe to see if their arguments line up and look fishy. No one else is really catching my eye
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On January 06 2015 06:31 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2015 06:10 LightningStrike wrote:On January 06 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:
dont expect many posts from me during work hours, primarily. i dont have net access at work except on a lunch break and dont always choose to take them.
i am female. i just never correct ppl misreading me as a guy, especially since my gender is insignificant to these games xP
more importantly, i like the work you put in celeste, despite the read on me. exo seems okay so far this game...and i also find shining's drive by post interesting. im interested to see if he plans on following up. trfel is right about hts which is why i jumped; ill keep prodding if im not satisfied. not much to go off of yet...more thoughts or prods after work Oh god I so sorry calling you a guy for so long T_T Also the drive by posting by Shining I think if Shining doesn't follow up on that then I could definitely see Shining as Scum but for now null I guess. I'm finding it awkward because I dislike "inactivity" in and of itself as a scum lynch read. I mean if its all there is I guess its a possibility but it makes me very uncomfortable to condemn based on that alone. Although the whole "posting something useful then disappearing" makes it a bit more convincing than simple inactivity or minimal posting like jarjar or gumdrop.
Celestial, can you reexplain this? Mainly the last sentence.
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